Sony’s yet to announce the PlayStation 5’s price, but it’s going to have to execute whatever it’s been planning flawlessly after overnight revelations. If you’ve been living under the sea, then you may not be aware that the oft-rumoured Xbox Series S leaked overnight. Regardless of whether the Redmond firm intentionally fed journalists or not, the figurative cat is out of the bag: Microsoft’s entry-level console costs $299.99 – or an even more affordable £249.99 in the UK.
The company’s been relatively smart keeping the specifics to itself. We still don’t actually know how the hardware compares to the PS5 or Xbox Series X, but a trailer confirms that it will “upscale” to 4K and will include a 512GB SSD hard drive. While that storage number seems small, it’s perhaps worth remembering that the PS5 only comes with an 825GB SSD hard drive – albeit an ultra-fast, customised version. You’re going to have to get used to deleting and re-installing games, we reckon.
What does this all mean, then? Well, Sony has “lost” the price war, that’s for sure. Microsoft is being aggressive here, and while we’re unlikely to understand the full extent of the compromises for a few more weeks at least, the reality is that both models of the PS5 are going to be more expensive. There’s simply no way, with the kind of hardware it’s offering, that the Japanese giant is able to get anywhere close to $299.99 with its next-gen console. As a result, it’s going to need to demonstrate meaningful differences.
We now know that the Xbox Series X will cost $499.99. We expect the PS5 to retail for a similar price point, which means the PS5 Digital Edition could find itself sandwiched somewhere in the middle. A $399.99 price point for the PS5 without a disc drive would probably lose money, but like the Xbox Series S, the platform holders will maximise revenue by forcing consumers to spend through their storefronts.
Here are the two potential problems that PlayStation faces: the Xbox Series S has different internals to the Xbox Series X, and consumers may assume that the same applies to the PS5 Digital Edition and the PS5. That’s going to make the PS5 Digital Edition look pricey in comparison, and it’s a marketing headache that Sony will need to overcome. Perhaps more importantly, this is a disruptive move that could affect where more casual consumers play their next-gen games.
Here’s the problem: the vast majority of you reading this article will presumably be planning to buy the full-fledged PS5 or Xbox Series X. But for more casual consumers – historically the lifeblood of the PlayStation brand – the Xbox Series S may prove a more affordable means to play titles like Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War and FIFA 21. That’s the play that Microsoft has called, and we simply won’t know how it shakes out until the generation has started in earnest.
Microsoft, with its Game Pass subscription, may also be hoping that the cheaper price point of the Xbox Series S convinces consumers to buy a “second” console; in other words, if you’ve already got a PS5, you may well end up with an Xbox as well – just because. That’s certainly possible, and while it’s less of a threat to Sony, any time and money spent on a competing platform means less time and money spent on the PS5.
Make no mistake, this is disruptive, but PlayStation still has all the momentum right now. It’ll be confident that strong marketing allegiances and high quality exclusives will give its next-gen system a “premium” factor compared to Xbox’s offering. But if the PS5’s price wasn’t already under scrutiny, it is now. The Japanese giant will have known for months where it plans to price its systems – let’s hope those final numbers aren’t too high.
What do you make of the Xbox Series S reveal? How much do you expect the PS5 to cost in comparison? Price things up in the comments section below.
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Either way, I'm buying a PS5 disc edition.
Thank you, and goodnight.
Xbox Gamepass Edition
Xbox SAD Strikes Back!
Come on Sony. Get your finger out of your arse and give us a price.
even if the ps5 will be more expensive,i will also get way more out of it than any xbox console in the last 5 years.
no contest for me.
If only Xbox had the quality of ps exclusive,and an affinity with jrpg's and fighting games;I would have grabbed this next gen.
Great price,and a great bargain,but I can not get a console ,that can not even play guilty gear strive.
£249 is AGGRESSIVELY competitive. Considering VAT, only £199 is all to be shared between MS, retail and distribution. I imagine the BOM is well over that. Well played Microsoft.
I'm hoping that will knock £50 or so off both editions of PS5.
Price predictions?
I did have Series S at £349 and PS5 & XSX both at £499. Really unsure now... but in a good way
Series X - £449?
PS5 - £499?
PS5 AD - £349? (reduced by £50 due to this)
There could only be 1 reason we are almost in mid September and no price reveal for ps5. I smell a delay into 2021.
£250 to play next generation...........they gonna flock to that..Goodnight.
I'm still not a fan of the PS5's design personally (Not that it's unique design would drive me away)... But it's more interesting looking then the Series S I guess which is a One S but with a big black spot adorning it 😅
that's a nice deal if the performance doesn't differentiate too much from series x. I couldn't care less if it's a native 4k or upscaled and 120 fps is a stupid PR gag that will be suported by a handful of games and established in the generation after (like "full HD" with the ps3/360).
I can see myself getting series S to have a device for indies on gamepass... never will have the dilemma of purchasing an indie or waiting for it to be on plus.
Oh boy...399 euros would be the price to use now! Still, the games is what matters and Playstation is way more popular now, Xbox can't and won't compete!
@Sebatrox Normally I would be all over this,but theoretically its weaker than the current Xbox One S ,because this wont have 4-K Movie disc playback.No go for me.
both of MS' consoles will still release without any of their big hitters. They've made this move in a desperate move to brush that over the consumer. It's been more or less confirmed that Sony will have at least one or two console-selling titles at launch. R&C being one of them (and arguably the most true next gen game shown so far) alongside Spiderman MM. Not worried in the slightest.
Well now Sony can't put the price TOO high after that, so it's good news for us.
it is aggressive and it has made me think well.. .maybe I get the Series S as well as a PS5 at some point given the lower price point. However, I should state that I need to see the internals. Rumour has it that the S is really just a current XB1X which is no slouch but there you go.
It’s a good strategy. Even though the Series S looks a bit silly from our point of view, casual players would lap it up and the price undercuts Sony, making MS look like the better value. I’d never buy it but I get their reasoning.
I'm torn between the PS5 and the DE: I've been buying most games digitally this gen and I've got a standalone UHD BD player. My Pro's optical drive has recently failed, so I'm already living without access to some of the older games I've got on disk.
It feels like Microsoft's hand was forced overnight by the leaks. I doubt this is the way they had planned to reveal a new piece of hardware, but the price for the entry-level SKU is certainly competitive. I'd expect the DE to be £100 more.
£250 is really tempting after skipping Xbox this whole gen, it’s probably worth it with game pass which is an insanely good deal.
Sony need to pull their finger out and offer an alternative just as good.
I have a hard time seeing the PS 5AD costing 399, but Sony might surprise. Even that surprise will land in a vaccum compared to 299 entry point, though.
I think this article is blowing things out of proportion. The series s is a current gen console no matter how much MS wants you to believe it’s not and we always knew the series x and ps5 were going to be 500 so I don’t think Sony is sweating anything. I believe the ps5 digital will be 400 while the disc drive ps5 will be 500 which is more than fair for both with what they are packing. I mean with regards to the series s there’s a reason MS stopped manufacturing the Xbox one x and og Xbox one
By Microsoft's response this could be true, I won't be getting it at launch but a $300 dollar system may be perfect down the road when stuff comes out I want to play in a couple years, ie Fable.
@Rudy_Manchego
"Rumour has it that the S is really just a current XB1X which is no slouch but there you go."
Nope, the Series S has the same Zen CPU as the Series X. Only differences (AFAIK) are GPU size (same features, fewer compute units), SSD size and lack of optical drive.
I want PS5 Slim White color + a lot of cute kids games on PS5 so my PS5 Slim will looks like kid's toy box. 😁
After the No show the Xbox presented us with this gen, I’d still pay 600 for the PS5 even if the specs are lacking xD on top of that it’s the only one with demon souls so easy choice really
Regardless of PS5 price, I will be buying it within 6 months of launch.
Though I must say, i’m much more interested in purchasing the Series S than X now with this price point to play the Xbox Exclusives.
A PS5 and Series S for hopefully around £750? Sounds like a good next generation to me!
£249 but no good exclusives or £400 with amazing exclusives and tonnes of anime/JRPG's?
Id pay the extra just to know i can play the best games around, but at that price most people will get the series X especially parents looking for a cheap next gen console for their kids.
But looking at its specs can you truly call the series S a next gen console?
Xbox s is actually not a good value for money, $300 for 3.9TF compared to it's bigger sibling $500 for 12TF, not counting 1TB vs 512GB of it's nvme ssd (which is expensive).
I don't think the problem you describe over the PS5 Digital Edition is a problem at all. Sony have communicated pretty clearly that the difference is a disc drive, mainstream newspapers have reported this and even the BBC in the UK did. So that's a non issue. The price is slightly disruptive, but that's not the truly disruptive part, the monthly payment mobile model is the truly disruptive concept here. If Microsoft can convince people into these payment plans they might be able to convince people to transition to new hardware every 3 years or so without there being an actual console cycle / generations. That's the really disruptive part of their plan.
@dark_knightmare2 To be fair I didn't say Sony was sweating, but obviously this is a disruptive move and the PS5 is going to be more expensive.
There's still a lot we don't know so the wait goes on.
It's a smart strategy from Microsoft. It'll be interesting to see how Sony counteracts it.
Hi there fellow gamers.
299€ is a very interesting price for a next gen gaming system. However, the specs aren´t that high, wich is understandable, and it is a digital ONLY system. It´s great for people that want to go all digital, but not for the majority of consumers, especialy the ones, like myself, that want to own their physical games.
Also, they won´t have any heavy hitters at launch, since Halo got delayed. You might as well call it "The GamePass only version".
Design wise, it´s ok I guess.
As for Sony and the PS5, like the great comander Locke said: "Your move". With all of these leaks happening and now the official price point for their "weak" Xbox system, Sony does need to have a competitive price for both PS5 versions.
As for me personaly, PS5 and my PC all the way.
Cheers, stay safe out there and happy gaming to us all
"Even more affordable!"? $300 is £230; so £249 = less affordable in the UK, surely.
The whole playing chicken with price reveals is insulting honestly. Nvidia gave us specs, physical view, ports, price and availability all at once, before these consoles did anything.
Nice being treated like an adult all the time since it's PC.
Xbox SS ...ok
But why?
The lifeblood are certainly not the casuals... Lol! They buy like 2 or 3 games and that's it. As you say, the costs are recouped through game purchasing and hardcore gamers purchase far more.
@get2sammyb ''You’re going to have to get used to deleting and re-installing games, we reckon.''
There's an interesting GDC talk by Insomniac in which they explain how the SSD is going to decrease game file sizes. Mark Cerny also touched upon this.
The problem with the HDD is its speed, or lack thereof. So in other to make sure a game is able to load everything from the HDD to the RAM in time, a lot of assets are duplicated to they can be placed closer together, minimizing the time it takes to physically read the code. With the SSD duplicating assets is no longer necessary, because loading from any part of the SSD is nearly instantaneous.
I think it will be interesting to see how small the games can get.
Sticking with the PS5 digital edition. Price is cool for MS and for more casual players and probably trying to appeal to the European market as well. Either way, gonna stay on with the PS family.
I am assuming Series S has no disc drive (sorry if i missed that in the article). That makes this the perfect box for gamepass. Its an appealing price point and tempting for those that dont have a 4k tv.
With that said, i dont see customer confusion on Sony's side re the internals of the all digital vs full fat PS5 personally. I actually think their proposition is more straight forward. You are getting the same system, just one has a disc drive and one doesnt.
Its actually more incumbent on Microsoft to explain why you should be shelling out for the Series X, when a $150 cheaper device is on the market. At least in my mind. That will be harder to explain to casual gamers and parents.
Sony dont need to worry too much provided they continue to bring the games, but they need to make sure that launch line up is compelling and start actually talking about the system. This reveal has been dragged out far too long and at this point im more minded just to wait till next year and stick with my PS4 for now. I still have plenty to play.
Either way, well done Microsoft. If this leak is real (and lets be honest, it is), this is a compelling device for the market you are targetting. As we've said time and time again, they dont care how they get you, they just want to sell game pass subs. This is the way to do it. And in a market where the risk of a severe economic downturn is real, this is a very attractive price
I'll be staying with both companies who continue to push Virtual Reality.
Sony & Oculus.
Microsoft ignores VR at their own peril.
Anyway you slice it Sony has to react to this. They cant go more than $400 for the digital ps5 imo. Patiently waiting for thepreorder button
£249 is an insane price point, but remember this is very much a cheaper on the inside so cheaper on the outside product, next gen games running at 1080 / 60fps or 30 fps, but I suppose Halo Infinite might actually look like a next gen game on the S. Its basically a GamePass console.
Both versions of the PS5 are identical on the inside apart from a disc drive, so yes it will prob be more expensive for that reason alone, im going £350 for the digital and if Sony are smart they'll flog the PS5 for 450, infact I think they need to. Lets hope tomorrow brings some kind of announcement.
Thats an amazing price which can make the PS5 more than double the cost when taking Gamepass into account. If anything it kind of makes me question why bother with the X, an extra £200 or so just for higher resolution
£250 will lure parents on a budget and not in the know into a sale. No disc drive, lousy first party support, underpowered and to top it off 512gb SSD. Thanks, but no thanks. Not ever would I buy this console.
@SirRealDeal They only ignore it on console. Which is fine with me, I can't wait for VR support on flight sim with my 3090.
@jdv95
Agreed.
I must say though, the advert for the Xbox is pretty impressive.
PS5 digital edition is still a better option should it be released @ $399.
Why?
Because:
Faster SSD (5.5gb vs. 2.4gb)
More storage (825gb vs. 512gb)
Better GPU (10.3tf vs. 4tf)
Better audio (Tempest engine vs. .... )
Better controller (gyro, embedded battery, touch pad, mic, speaker, haptics, adaptive triggers vs. NOTHING)
Better 1st party games
This is the point where I have lost track of all the different Xbox consoles. It has got to the stage where they have so many different consoles with very similar and contrived names that I am no longer inclined to keep up.
Fantastic announcement by Microsoft - it's a perfect solution for a "second console", kids, anyone on a tighter budget etc - which is a LOT of the market. I fully intend to make the PS5 my main next gen console but at this price I'd be very tempted to pick up a Series S for GamePass alone so I can play Fable, Forza and Hellblade at a cheaper price.
Very tempting. I've not owned an Xbox since the 360. I'll be buying the disc based PS5 but might also consider a Series S for game pass and indie titles that are not available on PSN.
What I know is I'm going to buy a 4k tv like everyone buying a new tv in the future and I feel sorry for people getting stuck with that brand new SS thing that will be quickly obsolete.
I don't think Sony will rush out a price just because Microsoft have. Last thing Sony want is to look like they're reacting to MS lead. My guess is Sony will remain calm and let things settle, so when they do reveal the price it will be more about what you get for the money.
I can see them throwing in a few months of Playstation Plus and Playstation now to sweeten the deal.
@GamerDad66 Its digital only with not even a terabyte space for games?
@nathanSF True. My conjecture is that Sony will wait for at least 2 weeks to reveal the price.
@JJ2 Same here.
I've been looking at a 48-50 inch 4k and it seems the LG CX is the only one with HDMI 2.1 and VRR etc. But the problem with OLED is Burn-in.
I'm going to wait for the next-gen mini-LED coming out later next year. lower energy, sharpest images and no risk of burn-in.
You might find this useful:
https://www.whathifi.com/advice/mini-led-tv-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-oled-rival
The Series S has just fired a warning shot across Sony’s now! £249 is pretty good and is getting a LOT of interest, add Game Pass and well.. Sony have got to get that PS5 Digital price spot on, not as cheap as a Series S and not as expensive as a Series X. I’d say £349 would be pretty good?
Question. Are there really that many casual gamers than gamers who love gfx and performance? And if casual gamers are such a huge base shouldnt the cheaper current xbox one s be selling truckloads? I believe the power of the word on the street is more powerful than pricing. I mean stadia is cheap as chips and was meant to be disruptive but well we know stadia is well dead in the water. As is the cheap disruptive ouya. Im guessing the war will be hugely influenced by the pricing between xbox x and PS5 disc version... And games. Saying that I'd find it hard to switch brands cos ps plus library and my community of friends have invested hugely into PlayStation. If PlayStation can announce all ps4 games run on PS5 with enhanced option like ps4 to ps4 pro... Wow that'd be like awesome!
@XurAgentofthe9 Don't they pay tax on top of that in the US? The UK price includes it
Might get this later down the line especially if it has full backward compatibility. Might play some Xbox exclusives I never got around to. Forza horizon being on top of the list. However I will definitely still get a PS5 at some point in the future (not likely at launch)
Not gonna lie dude, that's a nice price and a good looking machine.
@bbq_boy yes there are. Simply look at the sales of games like CoD, FIFA and GTA. Games that appeal to the masses sell like hot cakes.
@bbq_boy well the PS4 slim and Xbox One S continued to outsell their more powerful counterparts and of course there is the Switch. I don't think the majority care that much about higher resolutions
@nathanSF
Oh thanks for the link. I'll have a look later 👍
By looking at the feedback what Sony have done in the past such as the record breaking Instagram ps5 logo picture, massive stream vierwerson the reveal event, feedback from developers i still think ps5 and Sony have nothing to worry about!? Plus we are acting like the ps5 is going to come in way more expensive, when we don’t even know what Sony has to offer? Microsoft have been drawn and now Sony will follow suit!
But the thing to remember is Sony had stated they are looking more for value for money so it depends wheat they mean by this! I’m very curious about what the ps5 can do in regards too ps now and what they have in offer to them regards. But I really do think the digital ps5 will be this sort of price.
But we shall see!
@Rudy_Manchego the Series S is said to have the exact same processor as the Series X, so will actually be more powerful then a PS5. They have instead cut back the GPU side, apparently it will still do ray tracing and is RDNA 2, but with fewer cores so will max out at 1080P to 1440P and will ‘upscale’ to 4K. But for all we know the PS5 might be doing the same? Oh and the Series S is said to have a 512GB SSD. Certainly an interesting device and price and with Game Pass too it sure is getting a lot of attention.
This is definitely a problem for Sony. Credit to MS they are playing the game this gen.
Personally doesn’t affect my choice. I’ll still get a disc PS5 to go with my switch but as the article states, for the casual gamer market MS may close the gap on Sony this next gen.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Sony were sweating a bit after this...
@jamberino93 No, Sony did not say they are looking to offer value for money, they said their value is in their games and other things.. so yeah the pricing of the PS5 will be interesting..
@JJ2 Happy to help. I've been looking at a lot of review and comparison videos LG-Sony-Samsung and decided to wait and save my money in the meantime. I've an old 40" Sony Bravia 1080p 200hz from 2007 which is still going strong.
Who is this even for? The best second console on the market is the Nintendo Switch. Gaming enthusiasts are going to buy a PS5 or Series X instead of this "Roku for Game Pass" box. Maybe it'll find its market, but right now it seems to me that the S is for sucks.
I could see me having a ps5 disc drive for 1st party and big multiplats eg cyberpunk, something new from rockstar (if thats something they still do) and a series s for gamepass and the smaller/older microsoft 1st party titles that end up on it). 250 is less than I payed for my switch and with the hire purchase scheme microsoft run, its pretty tempting!
$299.99 = £229.94
£249.99 = $326.23 at present.
That's a hell of a price for the xbox. although this is the less powerful version, it's an appealing price point for new adopter.
@hulkie WTH are you talking about? Series S will be or more powerful than Xbox One X in every way. It has 8 cores / 16 threads Zen 2 CPU, 10GB GDDR6 RAM, 512GB of NVMe SSD and a 4TF of RDNA2 GPU thereotically equivalent of over 6TF of Xbox One X has. The CPU alone is a substantial leap over an anemic Jaguar CPUs of current gen has same applies to storage of NVMe SSD over HDDs, Xbox Series S is targeting for more casual audiences which buys a new console whichever has a cheaper version, but hardcore gamers and fans of Xbox will always favor the Series X.
Given that XSS will be backwards compatible, the XSS with Gamepass is insane VFM. While not so hot on the first party front, that's insane for the EA access and Gamepass owners.
According to the specs sheet the xbox series s is still capable of running games at 1080p at 60fps. The price is very competitive and I am sure the series s will find its audience. The system seems to be more towards the people that will only use the game pass or the crowd that only play Call of duty/ Fifa/Fortnite every year . For a parent looking to buy their child a new console for xmas , the series s could be more compelling.
Series S 4Tflops
Xbox one X 6Tflops
Why cant the one X run ALL next gen games?
They might be garnering a lot of positive press & fanboy's going crazy on social media,but for a budget console to undercut PS5 market share we've heard very little about it.
We've struggled to see any decent gameplay footage thus far for XBSX,much less it's lesser powered little brother!
What's the point of getting the Series X,if games will need to be compromised for the S?
I'll definitely grab one of these, I have the original VHS recorder XBO which I only use for Game Pass, I'll take a £250 upgrade for sure.
@AlisonPentouseus - Xbox has had haptics this entire generation.
$399 discless
$449 disc
Please Sony
@JohnKarnes Xbox One X still has an anemic Jaguar CPUs and horrendous HDDs for next-gen, also the reason why it can't easily hit 60fps even if the GPU is capable because of the Jaguar CPU. Xbox Series S even if it has 4TF of GPU but is based on RDNA2 which will be equivalent of over 6TF of Xbox One X has which is an older architecture.
@JohnKarnes Xbox Series S Tflops are more powerful than the One X's. This is why Tflops is a bad gauge of power
Three things come to mind with this reveal:
1.) What a world we live in when the price and release date of the console is revealed at 2 am in the morning in Microsoft's home country... on Twitter. I doubt the leak was "fed" to the outlet considering this. Less than ideal circumstances for an announcement all around. No fanfare, no sizzle. This is what happens when you wait three months past when a price reveal should have been made. Now Microsoft doesn't get to control the narrative and lost some free marketing/hype points a snazzy presentation would have won them. Very, very dumb to have waited so long. And Sony is still waiting - a leak will spill on the PS5 soon enough if they don't get on with it. Take notes Sony. Very ticked off about the communication for both consoles ever since the no-fanfare Wired article PS5 announcement last year.
2.) $300, or £249 is an aggressive price and Sammy hit the nail on the head - the casual market won't know or care that the Series S is pared down whereas the PS5 digital is the real macoy. So price differences between them will be damning to Sony among this crowd regardless of the actual tech. Gonna be interesting how Sony tackles this one.
3.) Others have mentioned it but the naming conventions for Xbox consoles are approaching ridiculous and are confusing especially to those casual consumers. Nintendo ran into this problem with the WiiU. Mom and dad looking for a Christmas present for Billy thought it was the same thing as the Wii. They need a more streamlined approach on naming these things because even I lose track these days and I own a few of the things. Series S versus One S versus One X versus Series X. It's gibberish.
Sorry it's early and these companies are really testing my jaded consumer patience levels at this point. But all that aside, good on Microsoft on the price.
what ever is in $ dollars they don't change to £ pounds so if something is $500 they just mark it as £500 when really $500 is about £400 thats why it's called rip off Britain here.
I like how xbox has done you can do all access pay monthly with gamepass some sony should follow for ps plus maybe, generate more sales which is what Microsoft is going for will sell like a bomb in some aspects.
@get2Sammyb I am planning on buying both the PS5 and Xbox Series X but there is no voting button for both??
@bbq_boy
I dont know. In my mind most gamers including casual gamers already have xbox or PS. If they want to upgrade to a new gen, which is not obvious given the incentive being mostly the games, then I figure what's the point of buying a console everyone knows is underpowered from the get go?
I mean I've read so many silly comments saying the PS5 is under powered with 8 TF or whatever (not sure how many TF they pretend it is now) haha
Unless they are misinformed of course.
Edit.
To be clear my point is why 'upgrade' then
My guess is that the PS5 will retail for £499 and the digital edition will be around the £399 mark. Personally, I’m not planning on picking one up at launch, as I’ll most likely wait a few months until a few more big-hitting, first-party games have launched. Either way though, I will definitely be getting Sony’s next-gen console sooner or later, it just depends on the games. Unless of course I’m consumed by Ratchet and Clank / Spider-Man: Miles Morales hype and make an irrational, impulse purchase when PS5 hits store shelves.. which is perfectly feasible!
@Shigurui We have a saying in Farsi : "Everything that is circular is not a walnut."
Yes, MS calls its impulse triggers haptics but they are incomparable to Dualsense's haptics.
The Dualsense uses voice coil actuators and not just smaller rumble motors found in LT and RT on XBone controllers.
@Luna-Harmony
Fortunately for you fine folks across the pond they didn't do you dirty this time around. $300 in the US, £249 for you guys is confirmed. I think that's after the VAT tax or whatever you call it too, so it's a solid price!
I won't buy any of them at launch, but chances are I'll get a regular PS5 somewhere down the line. Don't ever see myself getting an XBox to be honest.
Whaaaat? Most people plan on buying a PS5 on a Sony only website? What a twist!
@AlisonPentouseus - We have a saying in English, when you're wrong, you're wrong. You said Xbox pad has nothing when it does indeed have haptics. Incomparable to you perhaps but it has them nonetheless.
@Shigurui Fair enough
@UnlimitedSevens I agree with the Xbox naming, it’s terrible. When reading about Xbox these days I have to actually stop and think about which is which. Damn annoying!
@louieverr You know Microsoft said the Xbox one X will not be left behind for at least the first two years.
@AlisonPentouseus
That's a good saying, we could use some of that common sense sensibility here in the US.
My main concern with the haptic stuff is there is a large chance it's a gimmick that will receive little to no support from devs after the first wave of games. We saw this with the PS3's sixaxis controller feature, the Vita's rear touchpad and microphone, and the PS4's touchpad. (pushing in the touchpad is basically the select button for all games now, no real touch integration).
Sony touted those features heavily in the marketing for their respective consoles and all were dropped by devs very very early in each console's lifespan.
We will have to wait and see if it's a gimmick or not.
@nathanSF i was also looking for a new gaming tv..you can also check the samsung q80t and the sony x900h..both claim a single hdmi 2.1 (sony needs a firmware update) and 4k 120 hz panels..unfortunately the LG is very very expensive...
I'm still all up for the full PS5 experience, but Series S has thrown a spanner in the works purely for Gamepass.
On paper, ditching psplus and paying £15 per month to play brand new releases is mighty tempting but I'll wait to see how good the thing performs before deciding.
@UnlimitedSevens That makes a lot of sense. I couldn't agree more actually.
@UnlimitedSevens Couldn't agree more. But yes, Series S ugliness and lower performance aside, Joe Casual isn't going to know or care and understand the difference between the consoles, they'll make their choice based on the low price (and I can't blame them!) - but with MS naming nonsense I wouldn't be suprised if they picked up a One S for lil' Johnny's christmas by mistake
@Orange_Juice
Haha, I guarantee you there are gonna be some upset kids this Christmas when they get a One S by accident. "But Billy, isn't this that new gaming thing you wanted?" As he weeps uncontrollably in the corner.
I feel bad in advance for the poor parents...
wouldn't matter if it was £2.49, i still wouldn't buy one.
seems like quite a gamble from MS, it's got to be losing quite a chunk of change per unit at that price. can't see sony willing to offset big losses against per consumer revenue to price the digital edition anywhere close to £249.
Microsoft blinked first, now the PS5 digital edition will definitely be $299. They can afford to lower it that much because they will make a lot more money on games this time around.
That's not without counting money made from accessories and subs, along with the money they will still make from PS4.
If the XSX is $499, it means the PS5 will be $399 or $449.
Sony can afford to lower their prices, they're the market leader.
Who is this for? It's about as powerful as the PS4 Pro. Why upgrade to the next generation just to get current gen games? Seems like a money grab to me.
There are lots of exclusive games for PlayStation 5 and cheaper subscription cost play online that's why I'm getting a PlayStation 5
I think people are underestimating the disruption this could cause. Profits don’t come from you buying first party God of War titles these days but Sony’s cut of the micro transactions is predatory 3rd party games. If you lose them to Microsoft it could have a big knock on effect to the rest.
@gmxs it's 1440p and up to 120fps apparently
The series S won't last 7 years. I'm thinking it would be lucky to run next gen games at 1080/30 after a couple of years
I'm stunned at the price of the series S. It's not for me, but it's almost certain that a series S with a year of gamepass will be considerably less than a PS5 on it's own.
Also interesting how many commentators said 4k was pointless a few weeks back, but now think it's all important. If people don't have a 4K TV, this is an amazing console.
@XurAgentofthe9 Everything is less affordable in the UK and Europe generally
Always intended on getting the digi edition anyways, the last physical copy of a game i bought was Batman and that was about 4 years ago
That’s BS. I would never buy a watered down next generation Xbox that “upscales 4K”. If I opted for an Xbox I would certainly get the standard one.
I don’t think either that consumers will relate PS5 digital edition to the inferior xbox. Because it has the very same design and shape, albeit bit thinner and the cheaper one says “digital edition” so it is obvious.
@Octane You will have to wait until current gen is not supported and SSD is a requirement on PC which will be after a couple of years at least
A great price point, and a great idea to help less well off people enjoy the next console generation, but the lack of a disc drive is a big disappointment for me. If it had one, I'd probably be scooping it up, but I want to take advantage of the backwards compatibility as well.
£249 for 1440p gaming(4k streaming)upto 120fps 512gb custom ssd, BC across all xbox gems plus game pass and xcloud then throw in the rumour that the series s will be available with phone contracts in the UK and on xbox all access its certainly very interesting
Xbox Fans have been saying they would never buy the less powerful next-gen Console(the PS5) but now they will buy the even less powerful next-gen Console then?!?! SONY should just say the PS5 is £499(and under 500 US dollars) and they should be ok. I am sure the other Xbox will be over £500 anyway + it doesn't even sound next-gen anyway the 'S'
@Dr_ENT
I think you are looking at a situation where less knowledgeable consumers (i.e., most purchasers) won't pick up on the distinction if they go towards it as an impulse purchase, say, as a Christmas gift. Most won't even take time to examine the box or do research I imagine. We take our knowledge for granted because we are enthusiasts, but we sometimes forget most people aren't. They don't read these types of sites and they are just going to default to what is cheapest in a lot of cases. It's just the nature of the beast.
Real curious how Sony is gonna handle their marketing in light of this cheap-o console.
@No_Cartridge I say that because it’s barely more powerful than the PS4 pro that’s not next gen. Does it have some next gen features yes but it’s not a next gen console
@UnlimitedSevens I don't thinks it's a gimmick as they have found a way to let the DualSense reacts to any game's audio without the effort from the developer.
If I was going to buy a next gen console... and that’s a big if.... It would still be a PS5 due to it likely to have games I want to play as opposed to the XBX.
But saying that, I think I’m good with my Switch for quite a while.
>Microsoft’s entry-level console costs $299.99 – or an even more affordable £249.99 in the UK.
£249.99 is $329 so it's not even more affordable, it's 10% more expensive.
@SamMR
I hope it's not a gimmick because it sounds pretty cool. I admit I'm a little worried still just based on previous controller features getting dropped, but I sure hope it catches on. It's just one of those wait and see things I suppose. Also, vibration was a gimmick at one point that stuck around.
Sony has supported VR very well, and I bet against that sticking around for more than a year or two for the same basic reasons, and I was fortunately very wrong. So fingers crossed here.
Sony should drop the PS4 Pro to £249 (or maybe a few quid less) and leave it to battle out the XSS.
The PS5 is a leap above the XSS so shouldn't be worried about it.
Anyone who already has a PS4 will go to the 5 to keep their game collection and friends.
Anyone with an X Box will go to the Series S/X to keep their game collection and friends.
With the PS4 selling probably 115 million by now to the X Box's estimated 45 million (?), that leaves a lot of people as part of the Sony ecosystem who'll be reluctant to leave it.
@NotSmartEnough It has less than half the CUs and only slightly more than half the RAM. It's like buying an original Xbox instead of a PS2 rather than buying a PS3 instead of a PS2. It also only has 1/3 of the tflops, specially 4. The PS4 Pro has 4.2 So in that regard it's actually less powerful than current gen. The Xbox One X has 6 tflops so it's only 2/3 the power of the best current gen Xbox.
The only thing I need to know is when I can pre-order my PS5. For anything not available on that, I have a PC.
Nothing Microsoft can do will make me buy their console. They have no games I cannot play anywhere else or that I am that bothered about playing period.
After the DRM fiasco of the Xbox One they have now made an error of making system sellers like Halo still be available on Xbox One. What is the point in upgrading?
Their Gamepass is another stab at trying to kill the second hand games market.
There is absolutely no reason to buy an Xbox Series X/S apart from prettier graphics as the base game will be held to the limitations of the Xbox One. Unless there are Xbox Series only games I haven't heard of?
i'm LMAO at this cheap xbox. the S could be free - the LAST thing i want is a cheap "next gen" console that is really just a current gen console.
ps5 day 1 for me.
Blah blah blah...wall of b.s. txt cabt believe somone gets paid for this
I dont think sony need to worry if the series s is not the same as the series x, whereas ps5 and digital are the same minus the disc drive
Will be interesting to see how much the digital only version will be. I'm tempted to get a digital only PS5 and then pick up the Xbox Series S, just for GamePass - that way I get both consoles for not a huge outlay, comparatively speaking.
299$ or 1299$. Still buying ps5 day 1 or as soon as i can find one for retail.
@NotSmartEnough @S1ayeR74 Thanks for the clarification and I have now done my homework.
Interesting tactic by Microsoft and as a second console, I would consider it for gamepass.
$300 for that waste of resources? That seems awfully high.
I don't use discs anymore, for any media, too fiddly and antiquated. The convenience far outweighs everything else for me, so if this leads to the PS5 digital edition being even cheaper than previously expected then happy days!
@Carl-G make no mistake Sony and ms want to charge us 599usd for series x and ps5(disc version) but they won't/can't instead they will charge 499usd with series x at 499 Sony have a no reason to undercut ms as the ps5 will sell regardless, just unsure about the digital ps5 it could end up in a weird mid ground at around 380ish
@eddie429 you should be laughing because it will help to give us a cheaper PS5. That's the takeaway from all of this that PS5 buyers should be focussing on.
And apart from that, why slag off MS for the sake of it? You're not buying one, fine.
Best News Ever!!!!!
Microsoft saving me £250 this Christmas as my sons now getting this nerfed console. Well in MS.
I can then spend the saved money on games for my full phat PS5. Get in!
@daveofduncan Sorry bro but that's far from the truth, We definitely have the better launch lineup but Xbox has multiple advantages. The Series S has been rumored to be this low since June lmao. And they get all of their exclusives for free at launch with Gamepass which from my understanding comes with Online Play and most get it for $61 a year. They need to man up and show games so its still team Sony for me.
@crimsontadpoles the same way sony "counteracts" everything MS does - games. and games is what will be the difference. MS has never figured this out.
@nathanSF - yea, nothing screams next-gen like a new console that has last-gen power and no exclusives at launch.
I hope Sony follow MS’s lead with UK pricing where they haven’t actually done a 1:1 price ratio. The Series S is £249/$299 which is fair when considering exchange rates. Usually companies just opt for the same (ie £299/$299) so props to MS for that!
Sony pay attention!!
Sony will have games! The PS5 will fine.
@Si_Is_The_One
@Matroska
It's not as simple as just comparing raw TFLOP numbers, though.
For one thing, the metrics don't compare very well between the old and new GPU tech (I can't recall the details, but one TFLOP of current gen GPU power equates to less than one TFLOP of new GPU).
Second is the difference in CPU capability between the current gen Jaguars and the next gen Zen 2s.
Lastly is the speed difference between an SSD and HDD.
So the low end next-gen console is way less expensive that the high end current-gen console.
Tells me that either the current-gen is overpriced, the next-gen console comes with a huge catch, or MS is willing to take a massive loss with the price in order to market its console.
I have the feeling this series s thing will be something most buyers will regret in 2 years
I dont care about xbox prices. I can play all their games on PC so why wasting my money plus MS games suck anyway. I will buy the PS5 disc edition.
It will absolutely sell well with that price, no doubt. It's $100 cheaper and more powerful than even I was predicting, so I have to give props to Microsoft for that.
That being said, the Xbox Series S and X are still not appealing consoles to me because I already have a really good gaming PC and Game Pass. I've technically owned a more powerful version of the Xbox Series X for years. It's an amazing value for the casual customer, but nothing has changed for me. Plus, Xbox still hasn't come anywhere close to matching the first-party launch window games being offered by Sony. And, as I've said for years, software is king.
@ArcadeHeroes - yea. try getting a kid an xbox if they want a PS - see how that works out xmas morning.
Christ. Why the avoidable design blunder of a big black circle on the console. So many other ways to use black on a white design. It's so off-putting and strange to look out, even places it at odds in the design aesthetic of their ecosystem. And people thought the PS5 design looked bad! We don't buy consoles to look at them, but you can't help question Xbox's thinking.
A PS5 Disc console and RTX 3090 for me!
The Series S is perfect for me. I am a PlayStation gamer first and foremost, like everyone else I can't get enough of their exclusives, but I also really love Gears of War. Throw in Fable and Avowed, and this is definitely something I will be buying for this price when those games come out. If the PS5 all digital edition is even just a little bit close to the price of this, then I can get both way sooner than I had anticipated. I already have gone all digital, and I only use the disk drive once in a blue moon to watch old Blu Rays. I'll just use my ps4 for that.
If I was to get anything in the next couple of years, it would be the Series S. If the thing had a disc drive (even with an increase to £300) I'd be buying it at launch.
I agree that the low price point makes XB SeS an attractive option for a second console. PS5 will be my first purchase though.
@Dodoo Like I said above, the UK price is still 10% higher than the US one when you convert. But yeah, I do agree it's good they at least haven't just kept the number the same but swapped the $ for a £.
@srimaan_sk They have no exclusives at launch though. There isn't a single game for it that you can't get elsewhere and they've said it'll be like that for 1-2 years.
The other interesting thing was there were heavy rumours on social media that Sony was going to make a couple of big game announcements in the August State of Play. These may have been held back to counter any Microsoft price announcement. I think this month will see the release date, the price and these big game announcements in a September state of play to get the limelight back.
Do I care if Microsoft or Sony sell more consoles than the other... No.
The Series S being cheap can only push Sony to lower their price and from where I stand that's a good thing. If the Series X is also cheap then the PS5 will also be more reasonably priced and it's win win for everyone.
Considering the world is hitting a recession, Covid has messed things up royally having affordable consoles this year is a good thing. I'd have been much more worried had the Series S been revealed at £349 or something. This is good news for gamers everywhere no matter what your platform of choice is.
The Playstation 5 disc based, It will be $499/£450.............. Well it better had be......... thats all I have lol
Don't see the point in it, if you want a cheaper Xbox that plays current games. Buy the current generation of Xbox
@Matroska exactly it’s better than the usual ~25%. Don’t forget the UK price includes tax whereas the US doesn’t so is effectively the same...
@TheIdleCritic the series s has 512gb storage...
@nathanSF while burn-in is still a risk with OLED, many moves have been made tackling that with the 2020 models, I have a CX myself.
PS5 disc edition
I’m still waiting for actual games, but I’m impressed by the price of the S.
Sony could price it equal to the Xbox full console, and I'd still buy the PlayStation, you can't top the quality of games Sony can give you. I've tried Xbox before, I'd rather go back to PC gaming.
Sony have a move to make now and I can't wait to see what they do, I really dont think they can be to far away from the XSS price for the digital PS5
@carlos82 depends on what state you're in. My state, for example, doesn't have sales tax, so $299 is the total price I would pay
Usually my second console is whatever weird contraption Nintendo has put out that gen but at this price point + game pass, I'd consider an Xbox for the first time in my life.
Well played, Microsoft.
@JohnKarnes series s has the same cpu as series x. Xbox one x has a weak cpu and no ssd.
This console is gonna suffer later on. It’s already potentially disturbing next-gen by being the lowest common denominator in terms of power. Games are gonna be gimped for it, or else, and I hope this is the case because I don’t want next gen to be gimped, games will skip the Series S or have performance issues.
Also, remember how some games are designed for PS5 even if not necessarily exclusive? Yeah, I don’t think they are showing up on the Series S. I think in time this will backfire on MS and the Series S will have a very poor reputation as a bad console.
We will see what happens early on though.
@dark_knightmare2 I def agree. Reading that the series s iss going to be basically just another iteration of the Xbox One - if that’s true mind you, it damn well better be only 300 dollars! I feel like it explains even more about the Halo Infinite trailer we saw. Never mind last gen holding it back, it looks like next gen might be as well! It sounds like I’m just a hater, but I want Xbox to have a strong showing. Nothing at this point is going to dissuade me from getting a PS5 first, but I’m all about both consoles being the best they can be for what they do. I was really hoping the series s would be more comparable to the PS5 DE. If they had just done a disc less series x for 349 I think there’s a good chance that would undercut Sony, and who knows maybe the series s will do really well with casual gamers, but come on if it were me I’d still shell out the likely extra hundred for a ps5 DE. We’ll have to wait and see what the actual specs are for series s. But I agree it’s sounding like an Xbox One X.1S Series BoomBox Speaker looking thing. Now I’m sure it’ll have the SSD and ray tracing and all that, which they’re going to claim is what makes it next-gen. We’ll have to wait and see what’s up. Maybe I’ll eat my words. I would ,love to see a strong showing that really makes both companies up their games. But as far as I can tell, XBOX is really looming to become like, the company that still doesn’t have its finger on the pulse of what hardcore gamers want. Like, let’s have 12 teraflops to push the ***** out of crackdown 6. Xbox’s best move by far IMO was buying obsidian, that might be the one saving grace. I know I’m going to get shut for this but I thought Senua was way overrated. I’d rather know I can play demon’s souls than have better visuals on games I’ll never play. We’ll see what ps does with NOW cause imo games pass is the only area that Microsoft really hit it out of the park, but I also don’t think it’s all that better than Now in 2020. Vs Launch Now, of course. I personally prefer most of the games in Now, though GP has its moments where there’s as many as 10 games I would otherwise have bought eventually. Jesus I’m rambling. The heat here in LA/CA mixed with the info drought has made my brain turn to mush!
Edited to fix typo calling series s a series x in opening remark
@FrankieTeardrop Series S and Xbox One are a world apart, its GPU will be on par woth the One X but with much more advanced features such as ray tracing and variable rate shading whilst that CPU is around 4 times as fast as those in current gen machines.
Those thinking this is just like an Xbox One X are going to be in for a shock when its running games at 120fps
PS5 is still going to be my main next gen console but they've made it a very easy decision to get this as well
Doubt it will matter now, Xbox has been doing poorly even with all the bundles and discounts, PlayStation has a much stronger brand and much more and better games
@Yanksfan70 it has the same CPU as the X plus a 512 GB SSD. PS4 Pro , not quite.
@sanderson72 You'd be suprised though how many consumers - the average Joe who isn't a knowledgeable gamer - don't understand console ecosystems. With the frankly amazing price of the Series S, and its next gen branding, it'll make a fantastic parents/grandparents impulse buy for christmas gifts - for the kids who 'like their computer stuff'. A lot of people who buy consoles this way don't necessarily know you can't play PS games on Xbox and vice versa (years spent working in gaming retail paints a sorry picture of this happening all the time). Many folks just aren't that savvy, cause they're not super enthusiasts and just follow popular marketing and trends. Its the casual gamer and gift purchasers the Series S is aimed at, and MS may well have just thrown a massive wrench in Sony's dominance.
My gaming PC is literally like an Xbox Series X/PS5 on steroids, especially when I swap my 2080 Ti out for a 3080 next year, so why do I need to get any of the Xbox models going forward? Especially when Microsoft Studios games from here on out will be available on PC same day as the Xbox counterparts. PS5 is the only next gen console I need. Microsoft still has a lot to prove in terms of first party output, but when they do finally start putting out the big games, they’ll look ridiculous on my PC.
@Flurpsel @Carlos82. That makes logical sense. I'll check back our comments in 2 years from the future to see which console is selling like hotcakes!
@JesWood13 that sounds like it will be the tops!
No worries at all.ps5 will still outsell the x box.word up son
@JJ2 yeah I'm not so sure under performance is such a huge factor nowadays. The switch is doing tremendously despite gfx weaker than the xbox/ps. But the casual gamer is a different beast. Still more gamers the more chow we can mush in multiplayer games! For the gamers!
@bbq_boy
Yes I was thinking Ms is trying to do as Nintendo with weak hardware but without the exclusives.
What a headline! How can the price be "under scrutiny" if no one knows what it is or how it compares?
@Kefka2589 “ MS might have weaker hardware here, but you can't just carry it around and play it.”
Umm xCloud ?
(Not a perfect comparison but ..)
I think it's a mistake that Microsoft are launching the series s as a diskess console, because if they really try to sell it in regions where the low price might be more appealing, those regions also tend to be more of a physical buying regions as well. I had hoped that series s had a disk drive that would have made it a no brainer tbh.
@Jarobusa First, the Pro comes with a 1Tb drive, that's double the size, and look again, the cpu might be close, but the series x GPU kills the series s.
@JohnKarnes tecnology evolution bro, new hardware, i mean, like iPhone x Android, even with "less" hardware, those iPhone flagships can fight against overpowered Android flagships...
Xbox SS looks appealing, but I'll be shooting my entire load in the Playstation ring next gen.
@Steel76 i'm not interested in gamepass - if i do decide to use it, my pc - which i already own, will work fine.
@Yanksfan70 look again. It is a 512GB SSD.
PS5 = $449
Digital = $399
Communicates clearly that the S is not in the same league as the digital and undercuts the X price.
I think this is great move from Microsoft! PS5 will be more and that's OK with me. I'm getting the all digital one on day one if it's available. This reminds me of a kids console at this price and with gamepass it's amazing value. It's just a shame I'm all about them Sony exclusives. God of war 2 anyone??? BOY!
I've not been living under the sea I'm just not remotely interested let alone excited by the Xbox so why would I know anything about the leaks you referred to?
Hhhm not going to lie the xbox series s and x had my attention recently. However, after reviewing the Xbox game pass I realised that whilst it had 250 games available the ones that interested me I already owned.
The ones that took my fancy I.e gears of war, possibly halo and sunset overdrive were not worth the outlay costs. No console exclusives to rival god of war 2, Spider-Man 2, days gone 2.
PS5 it is.
@InsertGoodName darling it's better down where its wetter taken it from me
@carlos82 ah thanks man, yeah it doesn’t surprise me that maybe people are being a bit harsh on Xbox, especially here. I don’t know much about specs so I get caught up in rumors and speculation more than I’d like to admit.
So you really think the series s is going to
be able to push 120? Like I said I really don’t know much about this stuff, but 120, ray tracing, does it seem like a given that it’s finna have ah ssd? I mean given the size of the console and the fact they’re calling it next gen means not putting an ssd in there could be a death sentence, yeah? But 299 for all that seems insanely good. But then part of me thinks god if I’m going to drop 300 on it I might as well just say eff it and buy the series x as my secondary or third console. Games wise and just because I love what they do, I don’t see PS ever being supplanted by anyone. The switch will remain my true secondary for several reasons. Better exclusives than Xbox and portability and character and charm. I’ve never been the guy who freaks out over frame rate unless it’s noticeably unstable. I’d never pick a consumer based solely on frAme rates. ***** even the whole 12 vs 10 t-flop thing means very little to me. I really wish Xbox updated their controller. I’m still using my third elite 1 on my one x (first two...I’ll give you Xbox one guess)I do actually like the series x console I’m a bigger fan of simple design. I love the Ps4 pro one of my fav console designs. But everywhere else Sony seems to be hitting home runs with hardware. I don’t dislike the console it’s just so different. Controller looks like it has potential to be my favorite ever. Anyways I’ll stop rambling. Figured if I just keep talking and talking maybe pre-order news would eventually drop haha
Nobody is going to do extra optimization for this. And it will get worse as time go by and true next GEn games come out.
It is like buying a Graphic card. Better to just pay a bit more and have extra headroom for down the road.
But I can see this as a Streaming hub with Xcloud and Xbox Game Pass 🤔 this can end up an impulse buy 😅
I will be getting a Series S and PS5 Digital when they launch. Both offer good value gaming for me - I'll use the PS5 for jrpg's I can't get on Xbox or Switch
After having the xbox 360 i wont ever buy an xbox again..ps5 for me regardless of the price and i'm not a fanboy its just i got burned bad by micro$oft and that red ring of death machine..cant wait i really cant..
I buy consoles for their games not the price point and Sony has the games I want. I want a disc drive because I swap physical games with friends, do that 2-3x and you saved the cost difference in the digital v disc console.
This is perfect for the Fortnite generation. This and 3 months games pass will have any pre or early teen happy as ... It is a good play.
@AlisonPentouseus LOL you just dont get it.
@hulkie There was no price for Xbox Series S or X until a few hours ago, and it is not delayed. PS5 will arrive on time.
@RustyBullet Care to elaborate?
First off, I game on all consoles, including my retro devices. I am a computer engineer of over 30 years experience. The series S is not here to compete with the PS5 hardware specs. It's here as an introduction to the new console generation. It's a lot more capable than the One X unlike what people are saying in the comments here. It's a cheap way in to the Xbox eco system with all the new hardware advantages. Yes I prefer Xbox, for probably a lot of the reasons people prefer PS. I will get the PS5 as I love the Sony exclusives and it's an awesome machine. I will also get the series X and a series S. The series S for when my Mrs is doing my head in. I seriously don't get why people have to play one box off against the other. Play your games and enjoy them. It's that simple.
@redd214 There's a thing we can agree on! #teamDigitalCheapskate lol
This is a huge move by Microsoft.
@NEStalgia da heck are you doing here sir hahaha
@tameshiyaku The indie argument is intriguing. I will consider this down the line when Double Fine converts into an Xbox exclusive.
@SirAngry Nothing new or disrupted, Microsoft tried this before, it went nowhere, it will go nowhere this time around. People for mobile phones because they been condition for decades that you have to pay monthly for your phone. No one has condition people to do the same for consoles.
@redd214 lol, it started with the audio conversation and i couldn't help it.... Sanity said to get out while i could....... But I gave up on sanity long ago🤣
I'm trying to restrain myself and limit my presence here, but there's also the metagame of getting @rjejr banned, which is more engaging than acnh
If the rumour that xbox is ditching xbox live gold subscriptions is true and multiplayer goes free then this 250 quid box will fly off the shelves. Xbox might have next gen stiched up!
@Si_Is_The_One I appreciate you wishing me a good night. I wish you a good night also good sir!
@RustyBullet
'I seriously don't get why people have to play one box off against the other.'
As long as it's not about insulting or belittling people, a discussion about machines is harmless. Some people take it often too seriously as if it's about their mother or have a self righteous attitude and look down on gamers who cant afford everything (for lack of time or money or interest)
Edit
Now of course the activism or fanaticism to promote one or the other is ridiculous but hey, it's their time to waste haha
Since it was announced I wanted a PS5 digital edition & that hasn’t changed 1 bit. What has changed though is that I had no intention of buying an Xbox but now with the £249 price tag & the possibility that I won’t even be able to get a hold of a PS5(either edition) then I can see myself buying this to play Cyberpunk2077 at the very least. I wanted a PS5 for Cyberpunk2077, Miles Morales, FIFA21, Returnal, Kena & a few more I can’t remember but if I can’t get a hold of 1 then I’ll be buying this because I don’t want to play a game that could possibly be about 200hrs or more like Cyberpunk on a PS4 Pro that sounds like it’s going to blow up so it’ll be getting traded in which means I could possibly get a Series S for less than £100. That will do me until the PS5 is available. Obviously I would prefer to just be guaranteed a PS5 Digital Edition but let’s face it, there’s a good chance I won’t.
For me it is and was always about games!
And PS has just the games i want.
This is nice for casual gamers who also play on there phone.
I hope sony doesnt also go this route with service *****.
I hope they stay with oldskool console route like it always was.
So real next gen and not fake (play your games on any device) service
@WasabiPeanut Or trade them in at Cex for coins. Most PS4 games have generally held their value to a few quid (except Destiny).
@Flurpsel
You know you won't get 'full backwards compatibility' on the series S. It doesn't have a disc drive so you'll be limited to what games Microsoft have on their store for the Xbox and Xbox 360, which is not much.
And due to expired licences many of them will not be re-released digitally.
The Series S is a very stripped down console which a lot of people seem to be overlooking.
Will Microsoft never learn.
So they now have to get their games working on a less powerful series s, whilst trying to show the true power of the series x.
@knowles2 sure, but they're doing it with a range of consoles this time, and at a time when gamers are becoming more customer to paying subscription fees for gaming with PS+ and Gold, but also things like PS Now and more specifically Game Pass. They're also clearly trying to do away with console generations this time. Microsoft appear done with that model. They're going to push for convergence around Direct X / 3D development environments and constantly iterate hardware in much the same way phones do. I'm not sure the market is ready for it, but I do think they're trying something far more disruptive this time, and in this context their baffling naming convention makes sense. Sort of.
@Netbean
Microsoft already debunked that weeks ago and Windows Central posted the article. They stated and Phil confirmed they have no intention of making XBL free.
I still rely on trading in games to afford the next one, you know bills etc. So i need main PS5 version.
But with the Xbox S thing being £250 if the ps5 is more than £400 now they can biggest off I'll keep my PS4 till it goes down.
Oh and why i don't do digital?
Because for a service that cuts out paying a shopkeeper and space printing price, in the UK at least, how is it possible that i can buy TLOU2 new in GAME for £49.99 but it's £55 digital?
Ripoff most are either equal to or dearer than in shops, then i get to trade it in when im done too!
The big difference being the Playstation 5 actually has exclusive games so Xbox could sell for £100 what's the point if theres no games on it
With both Sony and Microsoft releasing PC games, there is no need for me to upgrade to either machine honestly.
@NEStalgia In an effort to keep from getting banned I'm not posting again until you stop.
OK that was a catch-22 I should have seen coming. 😉
Wait, this isn't even the same article is it? I don't remember posting to this one.
@Link41x Please tell us more.
I'll definitely be buying the PS5 and the inevitable Switch Pro before I ever touch the Xbox Series X.
As far as prices and release date go, I'm thinking a week later, digital PS5 at $400 and the disc based PS5 will be $500-$550.
@Dezzy70 lol You do know PC games have been doing this for years, right? You can play a game on a low end PC on low settings and high settings on a more powerful machine. Xbox Series S and X will do fine adjusting to the power in each box.
You forgot to include Ouya and Stadia in the poll
@kingv84
Correct PC games do this, but PC gamers have a clue and know what they are doing.
The family shopping with the possible young child may not. And even teenagers on their own.
Also it was more about visible presence and just seeing that PS5 game box in your face making it obvious, glaring at you saying PS5 is a visual trick and tick.
It was just a simple observation of easy advertising on shop shelves.
That simple visual trick works especially at Christmas time, that’s why companies fight for the best shelf space.
@naruball Tell you about what? I'm sure most people will be pleased with both consoles. I'm just going to upgrade my PC and play both Sony and Microsoft's 1st party games on PC.
Again the poll favours ps5😌
Now its official. Come on Sony. Undercut the SX price significantly.
450$ . Do it.
They could give me the Series S for free, I still wouldnt play it, I want to play NEXT GEN GAMES on a next gen console, Not Xbox, Xbox 360 or Xbox one games. For the people who think the games pass is a good idea........... You need to have a word with yourself, Spending $500 on a next gen console.......... to play original Xbox games
Series S along with gamepass and now EA Play has really caught my interest. While I’ll get PS5 eventually I think it’s time for something new. Xbox S price point and services really entice me and unless PS5 completely blows me away with cheaper version and overhaul of PS Now+Plus, I’m just not interested. PlayStation are exclusives king, but what Microsoft offers is really impressive.
Sony need to produce the goods. PS3 v Xbox 360, they lost momentum but eventually caught up.
I don't think anyone can call this.
Gamepass is looking more appealing and that price. I'd get a PS5 eventually, but I'm more likely to get the cheap xbox first.
@BNAG_Gamer You do know that Xbox Game Pass includes every first party game from Microsoft on day one, right? And Xbox Series S/X are next gen consoles. What makes them less next generation than the PS5?
@jamberino93 lol it’s a poll on a PlayStation website.
rtx 3080 for me ,ps5 later when naughty dog drop their next game
When its the same cost for PS5 as Xbox Series X but XSX has faster CPU, GPU, graphics memory, more disk space, no thermal budget and proper Dolby Atmos surround sound that doesnt only work on special headphones I have made up my mind. XSX for me.
@BNAG_Gamer I think you are confused. Xbox series S has the same next gen RDNA2 GPU as the Xbox series X. Just with fewer CUs. So next gen graphics with raytracing etc at 1440p native instead of 4K.
@dark_knightmare Have a detailed read of the specs. It's not a current gen machine in the slightest.
Gears of War 5 running at 120 FPS is a real thing.
@BUDSclass201 The series S is a 1080p - 1440P console. Anyone that opts for the $25 a month will pay $600 for it. Thats $100 more than the Xbox series X sale price. If PlayStation had a console with the same specs and same price I would still pay the extra $200 for the full PS5 experience.
@JohnKarnes that 25 a month includes game pass ultimate, which is 15 a month. So no it’s not 600.00.
I personally don’t like the subscription service idea. I’m ok with doing that for Netflix because I don’t wanna buy 400 TV shows and movies and have such a huge catalog. But for video games I buy like 10-15 games a year and I would like to be able to sell/return them if I want to put toward other games. I’d rather pay $300 a year on games that I’ll keep forever/ sell back than for me to cancel it and lose everything. But it is a good looking seal paying only $25 upfront for everything.
I'm happy with the news cause this now forces Sony to get it's arse in gear. Do something about PS+/PS Now and perhaps actually finally give us the juicy about the PS5.
As for people saying this is pro-consumer and great value. No it's isn't. Gamepass is trash. Of 100 or so games I'd maybe try 3 or 4. I own a lot of them already and there are masses of ancient titles on there. It is also worth pointing out that although there are some 'AA' games on there, it has also been flooded witht he same cut-price, low grade cookie cutter indy games. the same 2d platformer in a different skin, oh look, a isometric shooter etc.
It certainly isn't worth, in my eyes, £300 for 2 years access. They try to dazzle you with the 'all for free' rhetoric but it's not. If you buy the basic series s on monthly it's ends up costing £600, soo 300 for the machine and 300 for 'access' to games. You don't even own them.
And then you are locked in and you have to keep the sub going cause it's 'free games' right, then over the next console generation (7 years perhaps) you'll have spent over £1000 WITH NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT??? except maybe playing some mildly entertaining games and an awful lot of sub-par games.
I'd rather play 2 or 3 bangers every year, than play 'new' constantly.
At least when I buy my games for PS5, I know they can't just suddenly dissappear. Sony may be after my money but they are honest about it. Microsoft is a massive corporation who want to fleece you for a much money as they can and dressing up this with 'pro-consumer' fills me with rage that I only usually reserve for the orange one.
How much does this differ xbox series s and the current xbox x? I brought xbox x just under a year ago feel a bit annoyed if the difference in power is not alot and one has next gen and the othe doesn't.
@Ssimsim It'll be noticeably different. Here are the Series S specs from PureXbox. It won't be the same caliber as the PS5 or the Series X but it will be able to do things the One X just can't handle.
https://www.purexbox.com/news/2020/09/microsoft_shares_the_official_tech_specs_for_the_xbox_series_s_x
@JohnKarnes Bc it’s not that simple. The Series S has the same SSD and loading abilities that the Series X does just at lower resolution. One X still has a HDD so the way games load and how fast they can run is vastly different it’s not all about raw power
This news just saved me from buying a relatively expensive pc if i ever want to play some xbox games. Gamepass is extremely enticing for me and so is backward compatibility. I think thats a great move by M$.
Ps5 all the way
@RedShirtRod
The RAM memory is really a weird one. The xb1x has better memory. I dont get what they tried to do with that split thing.
Also if you get an extra SSD that will bring you close to the PS5 DE price.
Not to be a fanboy( there the cancer to gaming) if xbox series s does 1440p don't that make it so called Fake 4k like xbox fanboys say about ps4 but now its xbox has it its NOT FAKE 4K?
@Si_Is_The_One they will probably be higher but the games should be better so that is something
@hulkie there are rumors of a shortage so it is likely but either way it will be worth the wait if you truly want all those playstation exclusives man
@AFCC depends on what you mean by compete hardware wise Microsoft sells a lot more software than hardware so in that sense yes I suppose so
@AlisonPentouseus yeah the SSD is impressive but real world performance speeds of the SSD can only see gains to a certain amount wish they would have put the extra effort into the GPU rather than the SSD but its a nice addition I suppose
@RaZieLDaNtE and Sony plans to bring more exclusives to the PC also so you can support them twice and double dip like me what are your predictions? I am hoping for bloodborne on PC soon
@JJ2 I wouldn't say its underpowered and as an IT teraflops depend heavily on architecture and many other factors so comparing 2 different things running on different architectures with teraflops is pointless and just marketing speil because teraflops are measured differently in pretty much any piece of hardware so you are correct teraflops are not a good unit of measurement I agree
@GigaGaia and all the money from the first party games they are porting to PC also
@TheAdza you don't have to build an expensive PC you can build a good 1080p to 1440p 144 to about 120 FPS gaming PC for about 650$ I can get a parts list for you if you want. And Sony is starting to release more games on the PC like Horizon which I bought played and enjoyed quite a bit and a promise of more to come not sure what but exciting nonetheless
@SeverinMadara You are right. But, some devs have already confirmed that the addition of a fast SSD to an RDNA2 GPU has resulted in huge visual improvements on PS5.
Let me give you a link:
https://www.psu.com/news/ps5-ssd-capacity-allows-devs-to-skip-level-of-detail-step-says-lost-ember-creator/
I appreciate the thought but the only thing this article says is that it allows them to skip a level of detail within the games due to faster cache as in no elevators and no loading scenes etc...but that isn't in any way attributed to the GPU and that wasn't in the article at all not sure where you came up with that
@AlisonPentouseus again though a 2.5gbps ssd with a higher GPU would have been able to do the same by that logic since it doesn't require the full 5gbps to do it in fact less than half so less than 2.5gbps is needed to do it in that regard focusing on the GPU would have been a bigger improvement hands down
@GADG3Tx87 good point
@rachetmarvel the next KOF, Tekken & SF will all be available on Xbox I'm betting
I don't understand why worry. When the price is revealed, it's revealed. Simple, no need for a plan or a marketing overhaul event. They have people who handle this stuff and when it's ready, it's ready. Alright? Okay, moving on.
Money talks and that finance offer for the Series X or S is a game changer for most working class families these days. Personally gonna give it a few months to see 3rd party games working side by side on digital foundry between the X and the 5. And then make my decision off that. I can always buy a PS5 slim when that releases in 3 years and by then any previous PS exclusives (Bloodborne 2 *fingers crossed) will half price by then
@Tha_Likely_Lad I doubt that ,especially since Xbox became more detached from the fgc,after the xbox 360 era ended.
Plus we all know there is always a chance that a niche Japanese game, might not make it on Xbox(yes ,the fighting game genre is niche.)
You don't need to tell me that the fighting game genre is niche haha. Apart from Arc fighters I would bet good money on all the big franchises to be available on Xbox
The more Sony waits, the less time Sony fans (younger ones, or otherwise unemployed) have to save the money needed to get the console by launch (or even Christmas). And considering the digital-only edition is far less different than the standard one compared to the abyss between both versions of Xbox Series X... yeah, you can do the math.
@SeverinMadara Hi there friend.
I can defnetly see Bloodborne coming to both PS5 and PC in a couple of years for sure. A lot of fans, myself included, would love to play their favourite game in a higher resolution and better framerate. I do have Horizon on both PS4 and PC because i love that game, even if the PC version could have been better optimised.
I´m hoping that Sony aquires Bluepoint and maybe, possibly, someday we could see more Demon´s Souls and Bloodborne games in the future, since Fromsoftware is not interested in making them. Fingers crossed.
Cheers, stay safe and have a good one
@RaZieLDaNtE yes my friend and you too take care man
PS5 Consoles Will cost more than these Xbox Consoles. It's Sony...
@GhostofJettatura You are out of your mind!
@AlexSora89 How do you figure? It's called estimate and err on the side of caution if kids need to save.
Jesus why don't you overreact a little more Pushsquare?! Also you have a pretty bad read of the situation. The series s is no threat to the Ps5 as it is not truly next gen. It is more like an xbox1 pro. The Ps5 is 2.5x more powerful and has 61% more storage. The cost of the 1 TB proprietary memory cards leaked and it's going to be 220 bucks! That's insane! For a system that has virtually no compelling games for the forseeable future. And it will never have true exclusives and will only have "faux" exclusives 2 years from now at the earliest according to Microsoft. It's launch lineup is a joke. And all the stuff above applies to series x. The Ps5 on the other hand is going to be true next gen with new next gen controllers and 3D sound that will immerse gamers more than ever before. In addition the Ps5's revolutionary ssd/IO throughout is 2.3x faster than series x/s and will change the way games are made. But the most important thing about any platform are the games. And here Sony has the massive advantage. They have arguably the best first party studios in the business. In addition we know that according to Imran Kahn that Sony has made great deals with virtually all the top third party studios for exclusives and exclusive content/features. Protecting it's multi-billion dollar investment with these pro-consumer moves. Many he has described as shocking. Sony execs have also intimated the Ps5's launch lineup would be spectacular. We know already that exlusives Spiderman Miles Morales (excitement is through the roof fir this one), Godfall, and Rachet and Clank Rift Apart are launching at or within the window. It is also believed that Demon's Souls as well as Gran Turismo 7 will be in the launch time frame. All of which is to say Sony has learned from Ps3 and the prices are almost guaranteed to be 399 for the digital only and 499 for the disc version. The only question is whether Sony is going to go for the jugular and price the disc version at 449. The point is there is a reason why 87% of people are planning to get a Ps5 over an xbox series console. Not the least of which is that Microsoft couldn't care less if you buy a console or not as long as you get gamepass.
@tameshiyaku 120 fps is absolutely no cash grab or bs. If you feel this way it tells me you don't have a 120 fps set nor have experienced it.
It's absolutely game changing and once you experience it and actually see your aiming improve you can never go back to 60 fps in that same game it fundamentally changes they way games feel and it's incredible especially for fps and other fast pace games.
You say this today but in a decade when you can actually get one you'll be singing a different tune.
@Exlee300p wow you sound literally like a or release from Sony lol
Grow up and stop buying into every single word of a pr statement.
@Falkirk4life it'd not trying to pretend it's a 4k console mp one hated on ps4 pro because it did 1440 they hated on it cause they called it 4k.
Ms is not mincing words amd has said it's a 1440p at beat console that will offer the ability to upres to 4k but it's not the same they aren't claiming 4k gaming still its 1440p at best.
Upscaling is something almost anything can do the internal resolution (or rendering resolution) is the one that matters.
Sony tried to spin it that it was 4k
Xbox series s is calling it what it is 1440 at best
That's why the difference in opinion.
@RIGORR_MORTIS when 85% of Playstation owners don't buy the exclusives (check the math 120 million consoles sold highest selling exclusive is only 16 million units = roughly 14.8%) the need to have access to them is slim for a very big portion.
In fact of all the gamers I know personally between friends and family I'm the only one who cares about these types of game most only play the yearly titles or a specific game they're heavily invested in long term (think destiny or wow) not a single one of them (and its about 50 people total) not one of them has played any of the big Sony exclusives and some didn't even recognize the names when I asked.
My personal experience may not represent EVERYONE but you know what does? Facts
Facts are facts and they say that 85% of Playstation players don't care about the games the vocal minority of Sony fans online are always screaming about.
Most of my Playstation breathern went Sony cause it was more powerful and cheaper before that's the whole reason and up to now they've been impressed with the Xbox series x and its power with some even mentioning maybe switching sides.
I haven't talked to them since this announcement but I have a feeling many of them especially my younger cousins and such that are still in school are going to be really looking at the series s.
They don't care about 4k (they don't even have 1440p just 1080p)but faster gaming and next gen tech is still important to them and of they can get all that for 299 I'm thinking most will be Tryon to convince their parents to get them that this year for sure.
Sony exclusives are great but the cold shed facts are most Sony players don't care.
The market went from 50/50 cause xbox stumbled on power and price out the gate. All the videos and articles pointed out how everything ran better on ps4 vs xbox (remember 1080p vs 900p?) this was constant back then and it had an effect and now look where we ended up. And we know it wasn't cause of the exclusives mainly because only 14.8% of them actually cared to buy them.
Xbox is more powerful that's a given they also can be cheaper if that's more important if they end up cheaper either way then Sony is in for some real trouble they MUST match Microsoft at the veery least or we could be looking at a changing of the guard.
@Cybrshrk I'm not saying it's a rubbish feature. I meant that I doubt that this console generation will be capable of making it a commonplace feature, but rather the exception. More likely that the ps6 will have it as a standard for most games then. That's the problem with features for early adopters, most people this gen are happy with their fairly new 4k TV that doesn't have hdmi 2.1 yet. 8k, and 120fps are real, are cool, but niche.
@Cybrshrk Sorry bud you are wrong. Your logic is out of whack. It's 15% per game. It is not the same 15% buying every exclusive. Sony has a wide breadth of first party studios that create a ton of different game experiences. We have God of War, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Uncharted, and Horizon Zero Dawn. Then there are games like Dreams and Concrete Genie and The Last Guardian. Then we have sports games like Gran Turismo and MLB baseball. Then we have horror games like Until Dawn and Bloodborne. Then there are VR games Like Astrobot Rescue Mission, Blood and Truth, Rigs and Rush of Blood. Then we have the remakes like Shadow of Colossus and the Uncharted Trilogy. Then we have former vita games like Gravity Rush. Then we have all the previous generation first party games that people can play on Ps4. Still think it's the same 15% that play all those games? Get real. And that's not everything. There are many more. When you take every first party game into account i would venture that over 50% of playstation owners have played an exclusives. To say nothing of the third party exclusives. It's not a vocal minority. It's bare minimum a plurality of gamers possibly a majority who love and play exclusives. Also typical arrogant person who thinks their life is representative of the rest of the world. Well guess what all my friends have multiple first party exclusives.
@Cybrshrk First of all nobody hated on the Ps Pro because they lied about it being 4k. Nor is it pretend 4k. There were a fair amount of games that ran native 4k, like The Last of Us remake. And checkerboard rendering is not pretend. It is actually in 4k. It is using a technique to fill in the gaps. And you know what, it looks great. This is a playstation enthusiast site in case you were unsure. You going around telling people what's what in the comments like you determine objective reality.
@Cybrshrk Yes because you're grown up. That's hilarious. Yes I enjoy the playstation and Sony brand products. You know why? Because through empirical observstion over 25 years buying their products they have maintained impeccable quality for all their products. And yes I believe the specs that Sony released because it is called false advertising if they lie and again my firsthand experience has shown me the quality time after time. There is a reason why year after year the playstation brand is in the top 2 spots for consumer loyalty and fondness. Same with the Sony brand. So the only person who needs to grow up is you bud.
@hulkie oh yeah. Let's go Series S!
@mousieone It would not matter if they bundled in game pass and internet service connection, it's $600
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