People read what they want to read, it seems, and some of Sony bigwig Jim Ryan’s comments about the PlayStation 4 got completely twisted overnight by a blood-thirsty community hunting for gotchas. In the wake of some surprise cross-gen announcements – including Horizon Forbidden West – the executive told Washington Post that its current-gen console will continue to be “supported” for three to four years. Of course, anyone with a brain knows that this is how PlayStation has always been – and is no different to the message it's been spewing all year.
“We have the PS4 community, which is going to be incredibly important to us for many years to come,” he said in an interview with GamesIndustry.biz. “It will be tens of millions strong and we've never been closer to them than this year. We intend to keep that going and to love and respect the PS4 community, while at the same time recognising that millions of gamers are ready to – and want to – move into a world of game experiences that are only possible on PS5.”
Obviously it’s disingenuous to say that titles are “only possible on PS5” if they’re also launching on PS4, but presumably that’s why tentpole releases like Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart and Demon’s Souls will remain restricted to Sony’s next-gen system. Nevertheless, when Ryan mentioned that the PS4 will continue to be supported for years to come, he’s clearly referring to the “ten year lifecycle” that’s always been a part of PlayStation’s philosophy.
There’s no flip-flopping here, no matter how hard some online commentators try to manufacture one.
[source gamesindustry.biz]
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It’s to be expected but at the same time, times have totally changed. With so many games being bought digitally, there’s not the same balancing act needed between printing last-gen discs and current-gen discs like there was with the PS1 and PS2. They could literally just release PS4 discs and make them compatible with the PS5 through installing the next-gen upgrade patch.
Yeah but not clarifying that HZD 2 is cross gen until now was EXTREMELY misleading and intentionally so.
Obviously they’d continue to support PS4 but i wish there were some more major true exclusives in that first year.
I don't know why people feel there's going to be compromises. Who's to say SpidermanMM and HFW etc are not possible on PS4 and it was all lies that they were only possible on PS5 to start with, just so you're forced to upgrade...With how the Guerrilla FB page keep tweaking and offering updates to cater for different PC builds it's not hard to believe they're capable of finding workarounds to make HFW play best depending on your console. The difference would probably be load times, resolution and probably FPS. Let's not kid ourselves most games releasing in the next few years aren't possible on PS4. Maybe we've been lied to and forced to upgrade all these years and probably most early PS4 games were also possible on PS3. The biggest jump will forever remain the transition from PS2 to PS3. The difference was so huge I was forced to buy a PS3 a month after launch even with that crazy price tag. Since then it's been resolution bumps mostly.
Lol come on. Even the most die hard Sony fanatic can see the deception.
The way in which HZD and Spiderman MM were suddenly announced as PS4 titles was out of the blue and not consistent with what Sony have been telling us about "generations" until now.
I won't even get into the pre-order debacle. Clearly the PS5 communication strategy has not been good enough and they're rightly getting stick for it.
I'm happy with my decision to stick with the PS4/Switch at the moment. I get the feeling both new consoles are 6 months early until we get next gen worthy games, and probably 18 months before having anything I really want to play. I think Nintendo had a much more sensible release strategy of March when only the die hards needed to order, and neither Sony or Microsoft gave their images any favours with not having true next gen experiences ready at launch.
It's great for kids to get for Christmas, but you're buying promise, not an actual step up yet. The PS4 isn't done yet!
Sony should make ps4 exclusive game.that would be cool.but 3. 4. Years is fine.by that time ps5 pro will be around.word up son
I need some PSVR news. How is it going to work with the PS5, will it be an upgrade, will I need to use the separate box still?
I think we'll just have to wait how some of these cross-gen titles pan out & wait & see. The Horizon FW PS5 shots looked superb, & daresay the dualsense will work well in conjunction with it.
If I have a ps5 by then,would I necessarily want the ps4 one?
The PS5 reminds me early ps3 days both for the upfront HW cost juggles & higher game prices-but competition/consumer pressure can effect the latter. Currently the publishers are hoping to push the accepted boundaries-but they don't all have the Ninty golden child pass-esp. as I doubt third parties will drop mtx live services to go with the price hikes.
Anyway,as much as there'll be some cross gen titles for ps4 owners,don't doubt the next gen versions will be pushing to drive ps5 sales & even limited edition consoles/bundles down the line.
This article blurs the lines between oped and news. “Presumably” and “no flip-flopping” and “community hunting for gotchas”. Please. Sony and gaming journalism need to take some responsibility. They screwed up preorders and no one knows what is exclusive to what/when. This article is all just speculation from a biased source.
Also PushSquare dont blame gamers if you spread misinformation too when you said Sony was doing the same thing as Ms.
2 years ago they already said ps4 will be supported for a while.
The weird one is Horizon but I probably wont buy it anyway.
Edit
Oh yes, all of a sudden people believe there isnt any PS5 exclusive?
Do your job game journalists.
Dont be sorry, Inform better
@get2sammyb "There’s no flip-flopping here"
That's not what you tweeted yesterday, yesterday was pure flip-flop.
Sony: We believe in generations.
Sony: All our PS5 games are on PS4.
What happened, did you get a good night sleep and walk up in full fanboi mode? 😂 Jim Ryan is a corporate mouthpiece, they all lie, it's what they get paid to do.
Remember what he said back in June about Spiderman MM?
"Now, boss Jim Ryan has told CNET that accusations of the organisation “misleading” fans are unfounded: “I can safely say that we would not effectively lead the next-gen portion of the show with something that was either trivial or misleading.”"
How is Spiderman MM showing up on a PS4 NOT misleading? He said it lead "the next-gen portion of the show" when it was a this-gen game.
Add to that Sony mocking MS and talking about "generations" and Xbox Series having no new games. He needs all the negative feedback, he's more than earned it. Don't waste your time, or your reputation, defending him here.
I would like to know what will happen to ps plus on ps4 will there still be 2 games a month will it have access to the catalogue that ps5 has been given access to?
I know people are irritated but what would be more irritating is if Sony completely dumped PS4 support willy nilly. Nintendo has frequently dropped last gen support as soon as they launch new hardware (or even before) and it is frustrating as a consumer.
@sketchturner
Yet people still buy it....
If you can't see why are annoyed with Sony then that's your issue
Demon Souls seems way more suited to be a PS4 game than Horizon 2.
The FACT the Guerrilla said a few years ago that flying mounts were not possible due to the PS4 is enough to annoy me that Horizon 2 is now being released on the PS4.
There is more to next gen than load times and damn ray tracing.
@sketchturner It has 7 years worth of titles.......... it’s time to move on.
Given the lack of PS5 exclusives this holiday season and the financial situations of many right now I can't see the PS5's launch being all that great. Next year once more games come out and the economy recovers I think that's when the console will hit its stride.
@JJ2 they tend to hide behind the fact that they don't consider themselves journalists
@ianl579 plenty of die hard fans will likely keep the console constantly sold out. The real test is a few months in, when the rest make a decision whether or not to buy one.
@Bdbrady They already dropped this news a while ago. PS5 will be backwards compatible to PSVR1. It will hook up just like it does to PS4. It will be this way until they drop PSVR2. PSVR2 is the actual news we are waiting for.
@ianl579 People say this all the time. Sony doubled their original demand due to expectations/forecasts. Sounds like demand will be through the roof. Neither system will have problems selling this holiday season.
Today I've removed a few sites from my bookmarks for the sensationalism and twisting they've been doing regarding this.
@Clucja Thanks! I missed that, or forgot it in my PS5 hype. I'm more curious about how PS5 will improve my VR experience. I would assume it would make it substantially better.
"We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features,” he said. “We do believe in generations, and whether it’s the DualSense controller, whether it’s the 3D audio, whether it’s the multiple ways that the SSD can be used... we are thinking that it is time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5.”
And on PS4.
@Bdbrady I think we are still dependant of the current hardware. So load times should still improve. But until they release PSVR2 im guessing it won't be any better for us.
Games like sackboy adventure doesn't make sense if it's made only for ps5, but I wish tentpole AAA games like horizon fw and god of war 2 will be made exclusively for ps5, to show what the system is capable of.
When the PS4 launched Knack, Infamous Son Second and any other first party title was not on PS3. I dont wanna hear this sh$t.
I don't trust anything that comes out Jim Ryan's mouth, he has lost all credibility. I thought Sony had a good presentation too but ruined it with all the info coming out after.
Basically what I understood is buying the PS5 the first two years (at minimum) is completely pointless and the PS4 will be able to play those PS5 "exclusives" just as good and the games will cost less.
@rjejr
What you on about? Is demon souls on ps4? No
Is Ratchet and Clank on the ps4? No
Will god of war 2 be? No
Plus the visuals we be far better on ps5 even if they are cross gen.
Can we have an article about the abysmal pre order process that happened last night and how consoles were basically sold out the day before they even went live due to confusion. Thanks for nothing Sony
@Kefka2589 But when someone starts making false assumptions about what You have said, because they have "misunderstood" something and because it was "pretty ambiguous", you "CLARIFY" it. You do not allow that to continue going on and on for 3 months.
It is a big deal. They know where their fan base is. They know how to read like the rest of us do. They could have clarified this right back in June with people.
People were pissed at MS for wanting to support previous generations, and praised Sony for bringing MM and Horizon only to ps5 because they are so impossible to make for ps4.
However, when each company now changes their tune, one now supposedly has less games being offered on their previous generation of consoles, and other was quietly going to support previous generations, people can't just go 180, and suddenly switch their statements about wanting their console to only "Support the new tech".
Sony's focus on future only : "YAY"
Son's focus on generation : "Well, it is good! they have a huge gamer base on ps4"
MS' focus on generations : "LOL, We only want games that focus the new tech. We don't want games held back"
MS focus on future only : "Why are they switching sides? Why did they lie to us?"
Words have consequences. Don't downplay this.
@get2SammyB This didn’t happen with the PS3, so yes, it’s flip-flopping. Horizon being on PS4 is a simple flip-flop.
@Baz12345 "What you on about?"
Is "next gen portion" Spiderman Miles Morales on PS4? Yes.
Is Sackboy's Adventure on PS4? Yes.
Is NEXT YEAR's Horizon Forbidden West on PS4? Yes.
Any more questions?
I feel that everyone knows the previous gen is supported for a long time when it come to Sony’s consoles.
The thing is usually when a new console comes out from Sony, the previous console is supported mainly by third-party and indie developers moving forward.
The first-party studios usually move on right away to the new console. For example, Knack and Killzone: Shadow Fall were not crossgen games with both the PS3 and PS4.
That is the reason why people are surprised that the PS4 is still being supported by first-party PS5 launch games.
Sony has done this before and it makes sense! Why would they want to alienate the PS4 community at the very beginning of a console generation? The PS4 may go on to dethrone the PS2 as the BEST selling console of ALL time, there's over 100 million PS4 consoles sold so that's a huge user base. The PS5 hasn't even been released yet so it makes since for them to release games for BOTH consoles for at least 2-3 years until the PS5 really starts taking off. Sony has created some of the BEST gaming experiences I've EVER played on my PS4 pro so I'm excited to see what they'll bring to PS5! (GoW Ragnarok) Right now I'm still on the fence about being a day one PS5 adopter. I've bought every PlayStation console on day one since the PS2 but this time I'm not sure I want to be a day one adopter. Covid-19 pandemic has been REALLY hard on my family financially so I'm content with finishing games I've yet to even start on my PS4 pro and maybe when I'm done with those games I'll get the PS5. I'm definitely getting a PS5 but I'm just not sure if I'll spring for a day one purchase. Until then, happy gaming my friends 😉💨✌️
@OmegaStriver PS2 only had 14 years of games and 18 years of support. Hell the PS3 is still being supported by Sony.
@Madpup1uk You know we are talking about 1st party titles right?
I’m very aware every Madden and FIFA will always be released on these systems.
@Kefka2589 Yes, specially when it takes few hours to get to a company's throat for making a claim or taking a stance.
3 Months is a ridiculous time to allow people to speculate with false assumptions.
Name one major PS3 release after the last of us
Not joking, I would love if Gran turismo 7 is cross gen and get released next year.
Jim Ryan is a lying bellend, everything he says is just bo|_|_ocks.
Bring back House, Layden and Tretton.
@Royalblues Exactly. Microsoft does it, it's awful. Sony flat out lies about it, criticizing Microsoft and basically saying they are focused on next gen, but it's cool now that they are doing the same thing. Come on, really?
I don't even care who lied to who. I heard PS5 was coming out, said I'll have one of them and that was that. Other than watch a few videos and check out the specs as well as check out the competition, I've been quite happy in my own ignorant world. Having said that, at my age if somebody had lied to me, I probably wouldn't remember anyway.
I'm so glad Sony will support the PS4 for another year.
It will take at least that long to catch-up on PS5 supply.
Not everyone wants to buy a PS5 off eBay for a small fortune.
Sony has some exclusives & some multi-plats, that's fair for everyone.
It’s simple though people? Sony is offering the ps5 to the public not forcing it down your throat!
This was to be expected, as Sony had confirmed they continue to support the ps4 for a couple of years to come so how do you lot to expect this to be done?
If you aren’t too bothered about next gen benefits and graphics then buy the base ps4 model but if not then buy next generation version..
Makes absolute sense. As long as the Switch is around, PS4 has every right to exist. With the base model still pushing 1080p in most games, there's still a lot of headroom to support the PS4. Apart from a few tech like RT, there isn't much the PS4 can't support. I believe PS4 will be a testing ground for Sony moving forward. Things like Gamepass like subscription, gearing it towards kids, selling it via subscriptions like Xbox All Access might be in the works.
To be fair, they never said no games would be cross gen, just that new console owners should have games which make the most of the system. Can this happen if cross gen? Maybe. But as long as there are some first party games (like R&C snd DS) then the policy is definitely opposed to the MS policy.
@sketchturner This. The last year of the WiiU was such an embarassement. People should be glad Sony don't do that.
@DeepSpace5D Fair enough, but if I'm not mistaken, Sony has more 1st party studios than ever before. I think they can pulled this off and offer both (some exclusives 1st party games and some crossgen).
10 years will be a decent run, so sometime around 2022-2023 they'll stop releasing new games on PS4.
Hopefully they keep the digital PS4 games online forever, as well as the needed patches.
4 Years ??? that's more than half the ps5 life cycle !! I just hope the support they take about is in the form of software updates and third party games. Seeing Horizon 2 on ps4 was a d*mn shame, I wanted them to explore concepts not possible on the ps4 like the flying mounts.
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