SIE recently reported on the progress of the United Nations ‘Playing for the Planet’ Alliance of which SIE is cited as "been a key player in this project". So far the headlines have revolved around power consumption on the PlayStation platform and the company committed to "PlayStation 4 energy efficiency measures that will result in around 30 million metric tons of avoided carbon equivalent emissions by 2030".
Naturally everyone wants an efficient console as traditionally that translates into a nice quiet console too, but taking a step back from power consumption for a moment, isn't there a very easy way the company could potentially reduce billions of plastic objects even being produced?
Prior to the PlayStation 5 being released we reached out to our contacts at Sony to ask about the packaging for it's upcoming console and whether they had made any changes to make it greener and reduce their amount of single use plastic. While they did initially reply and accept some questions from us things soon went silent and we've never had answers back. Sad face.
The good news though is that on the face of it the packaging for the PS5 console and peripherals does seem to be made up of more cardboard and less plastic compared to the same products in the PlayStation 4 range. We call that progress.
However, one glaringly obvious area that hasn't changed is the games and the cases/packaging they come in. Blu-ray cases on PS5 are identical to those of the past and still come in their plastic shrink wrapping which to our understanding isn't recyclable.
With each console cycle generating in excess of one billion retail game sales we must be looking at around 6-8 billion plastic game cases across all of PlayStation's platforms over the years. Roughly one plastic game case per human alive today. That's a lot of cases and a lot of shrink wrap. Those numbers don't even factor in the unsold games either.
Blu-ray cases are reportedly made of recyclable materials, but aren't simple to actually recycle and because they aren't biodegradable will be around for literately centuries.
Thankfully alternatives do exist. Last year iam8bit released a 'Lovely Edition' of Untitled Goose Game which featured biodegradable shrink wrap and a completely sustainably sourced paper based case which is 100 per cent recyclable using non-toxic inks. Prior to that Sports Interactive released Football Manager 2020 on PC with equally recyclable packaging made from recycled materials saving 20 tonnes of plastic from their "relatively small" print run alone.
While we were waiting for Sony to respond to our original questions we managed to speak to both Amanda White and Jon M. Gibson, Co-Owner/Co-Creative Director of iam8bit and Miles Jacobson, Studio Director of Sports Interactive, who wrote an open letter about the issue, about their creations:
Push Square: What was the main driving force behind your eco-friendly packaging?
Amanda & Jon: We wanted to get the conversation started. iam8bit always strives to try new things – things that others deem too “risky” – since much of that associated “risk” has to do with profit. For us, business isn’t about squeezing every single penny of profit that you can just to put cheap junk out into the world. We’d rather spend a few extra bucks to create something of quality, while at the same time making a difference.
The reason why you don’t see a bunch of other eco-friendly products in the marketplace is because it’s more expensive to make than standard packaging.
This is exactly why we wanted to get the conversation started, because once enough consumers and publishers become excited about the idea of eco-friendly packaging, prices will be driven down to the degree that they are viable for the global mass market.
It’s merely the first step in a marathon. We’ve got a long way to go, but we’re excited that people are now talking about eco-friendly alternatives.
Miles: Very simple – it’s for companies to lead and educate on being more eco-friendly as if we don’t do anything, we make it hard for consumers to do things. And the planet and humanity are good things that I don’t want to see vanish when there are lots of simple things that can be done to help.
Did you have a memorable eureka moment whilst developing your packaging?
Amanda & Jon: One of the hardest elements of this was finding 1:1 matches for the standard issue materials already on the market. For instance, take something as seemingly simple as the paper stock used for a foldout poster. Finding a post-consumer paper stock that absorbs eco-friendly inks well, but that also feels similar to other posters? That isn’t as easy as it sounds. We went through a ton of samples and tests before we found one that got that “WOOHOO!” from the iam8bit production team.
Miles: The most complicated part was shrink-wrap. It’s a necessary component from a retail perspective, and there aren’t a lot of good options out there as the recycled/recyclable options are more expensive.
Which part of the packaging are you most proud of?
Amanda & Jon: Honestly, another really tricky part, but one that results in some much elation, was finding an eco-friendly shrink wrap that worked. Think about it - how much waste comes from the very basic sheet of clear plastic that envelopes pretty much any product you’ve ever opened.
The problem with eco-friendly alternatives to standard shrink wrap is that they don’t play well with standard assembly line machinery. We went through a lot of trial and error with our fulfilment partner to figure out the best method for applying it, because it was pretty damn cantankerous.
But once it finally worked, after weeks of adjustments, that was a moment we all celebrated.
Miles: Actually, not part of the packaging itself, but a side effect of it – the transportation environmental costs were cheaper because the packaging itself is lighter and you can fix more in a box. So not only is the whole package recycled & recyclable but it saved on CO2 in other areas too.
What has the response been like from the gaming community?
Amanda & Jon: It’s been awesome - absolutely awesome! Everyone has been really supportive, from the fans to the first parties.
We spent over a year developing this first iteration of eco-friendly packaging, quietly toiling without fans knowing a thing. So coming out of that bubble after a year and receiving such a positive reaction - we couldn’t be happier, both personally and for the planet.
Miles: Almost universally positive – on announce there were a few complaints about how it would look in their collection, but because we made the spine dimensions almost identical to the previous spine, it still looks lovely. There is an approx. 2mm difference in dimensions, which is pretty much unnoticeable.
How much more expensive is the packaging to manufacture than traditional packaging? Do you think it’s possible to drive down that price?
Amanda & Jon: It definitely costs more – several dollars more – but the reality of that is due to the supply chain. Recycled and eco-friendly materials aren’t in high demand, which simply makes them more expensive to produce. It’s basic math; the more you can make, the cheaper it gets.
The most effective way of driving prices down is to amplify the popularity of eco-friendly materials. If consumers DEMAND that other publishers action, using recycled and biodegradable alternatives to standard materials, that means that more of those materials have to be made. Eventually, you hit a tipping point where so many companies want to use this cool, eco-conscious stuff, that – suddenly – the costs become comparable to the current standard.
That doesn’t happen overnight, though; it takes YEARS. That’s exactly why we decided to have a go at it. Someone’s got to get the party started.
Miles: 22c (Euro cents). And yes, if more people were doing it then that cost would go down. Hopefully over time they will, but that still requires people to accept the initial cost hit.
What encouragement have you had from platform holders to create environmentally friendly packaging?
Amanda & Jon: The first parties have been incredibly encouraging. We couldn’t have done this without their official support. You’ll be happy to know that at the highest levels of the first parties, eco-friendly conversations are happening, and we’re jazzed to be a part of that ongoing dialogue.
Miles: I know that both Microsoft and Sony take their responsibilities in this area very seriously and are members of the Playing for the Planet group set up by the UN Environment Agency. But you’d need to ask them about any future plans…
Do you think platform holders should be doing more to promote/encourage environmentally friendly packaging?
Amanda & Jon: By nature of our eco-friendly packaging even existing, platform holders ARE supporting it. Nintendo, PlayStation, Microsoft - they have the ability to stop things like this from happening, but instead, they have been nothing but “thumbs up” and enthusiastic about our efforts, in hopes that it will also inspire others to join the crusade.
Playing for the Planet is an incredible initiative, led by the UN, that shows that so many video game publishers and first parties are dedicated to making all of the industry’s output a much more Earth-forward endeavor.
Miles: Absolutely – but then I believe every company out there should be, and that even those of us that are making a big effort aren’t doing enough.
How would you encourage other publishers to do the same and use environmentally friendly packaging?
Amanda & Jon: Get off your butts and do the hard work. It’s not easy to innovate. It requires internal championing and patience. It means not accepting “No’s” and continuing to push forward, no matter how much of a challenge that poses. Complacency is a planet killer, and being proactive is the only remedy.
iam8bit is also here to help. The first step is reaching out and asking.
Miles: SEGA are freely sharing information about our packaging so that people can do the same – and I’ve spent the last year shouting from the rooftops about it to anyone who will listen, which will continue!
Thanks to iam8bit and Sports Interactive the evidence is there that it's possible. You could easily argue that physical retail games are potentially winding down anyway, is it feasible to suggest that PS6 will be wholly digital? Potentially, but let's assume it isn't, combined with PS5 that will be another decade or more of plastic cases being produced with unnecessary shrink wrap.
The readers of this website are likely skewed to collectors, those who take care of their game cases as little bits of personal treasure — this writer included. But that isn't everyone, and what happens to our collections in 30, 40, 50 years time? The museums only need a handful of copies of each game and the rest will be starting to decay wherever they rest, most likely in a CeX warehouse.
Coming back to the question posed in the title of this article, "Could PlayStation do more to promote green packaging?" Almost certainly. Imagine the statement it would have made if all PS5 game cases were required to be 100% biodegradable. The preverbal boat may have been missed this generation, as it's unlikely to introduce such a rule mid-generation, which is a shame. Whoever blinks first, either Sony, Microsoft or even Nintendo will cause waves for the others to follow suit.
Thanks to iam8bit and Sports Interactive for answering our questions. Are you bothered by being a green gamer? Would you consider buying environmentally friendly packaging if it were available? Let us know in the comments below:
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I do like green and red better than blue.green is my favorite color and red so i dont mind.it looks 😎 cool i can dig it.word up son
Get that picture down of PS5 games in horrible green Xbox colour cases.
PS5 is blue and white.
Dam disgrace to PS5.
It’s so incredibly important for companies to step up and do more. That Football Manager case is where every games company should be, there’s no reason why single-use plastic is being used other than laziness and the ability to save a couple of pennies. The longer we waste before taking action, the less chance we have of averting our current course towards catastrophe.
Pretty sure you meant push square to save the planet right?
Okay, now I can read the article.
Ok, just get rid of physical games all together and go all digital problem really solved and the environment. Simples.
If everyone is so serious and it’s so important then that’s what should happen.
Hang on money and jobs are involved now and businesses would close and governments would lose lots of tax money.
That’s why when it comes to the environment it is always a half measure at best.
Given the option I’ll always try and go green and happy to pay a bit extra. You think COVID-19 is a drag, try connecting to PSN when you’re underwater.
I can start to sound a little bit like Mark Wahlberg's character from I Heart Huckabees when in conversations like these so I'm just gonna keep calm and agree that yes, more could be done to reduce the use of plastics in packaging.
This seems like a good start from iam8bit and Sports Interactive. Good on them.
@Dezzy70 exactly.
Those of us that collect games never throw any of this away (I have cases from games 40 years ago...). We collectors want durable cases that do not show wear. Plastic does this.
If anyone does throw their games away then please just buy digital and skip all the plastic.
Id love to see Sony (and all game companies, Hollywood) do more with biodegradable cases. The music industry has increasingly moved in that direction with CDs.
And Sony has done it before with titles like Rstchet and Clank: A Crack in Time and Infamous 2, so no reason they cannot expand on the idea.
While we are on the subject, game companies should do away with the special editions containing nothing but cheap tat that is destined only for landfill.
Unfortunately i don't see a future where Sony move to greener cases because, ultimately, this is very likely the last generation where physical gaming will be an option. I fully expect next-gen to be digital only, or heavily skewed in that direction, so i question whether Sony would want to invest in R and D, plus the cost of changing manufacturing lines for future titles on PS5.
And i feel the majority of consumers will resist having to pay more for games for green cases, when you see the reaction to already being asked to pay 70 pounds for new releases. Personally, i would be ok with it, but then environment is close to my heart.
@This_Guy I collect and pretty much never get rid of games (even ones I hate) but I do realize that I'm going to shuffle off this mortal coil someday and all my prized possessions are basically just gonna be the junk my kids have to deal with.
Point is, it's all going in the trash eventually. Might as well make more things biodegradable. I can take care of just about any material if I want to.
P.S. Seeing Playstation exclusives with those green borders just doesn't sit right lol. Ban this sick filth (i jest!)
@Medic_Alert who cares once you’re dead? It’s the next guys problem.
@kyleforrester87 accurately describing the attitude of every government ever
@nessisonett didn’t you die already? Jeez
My only concern remains durability. I know its an issue only really for collectors but I always worry about cardboard cases due to the increased chance of damage, especially corners when in mail transit.
One option I’d say is to reduce the size of the case to the bare minimum to contain only the disc / cartridge. PS5 / XBX disc cases could be the size of CD cases with half the thickness, whilst Switch cases could be tiny.
Another option would be offering digital games at a reduced price at launch. I’m sure if digital games were say £10 cheaper than physical, a lot more people would go the digital route.
They may take our McDonalds straws but they will never take our GAME CASES!!!
Yeah, I don’t really mind either way tbh.
I don't mind it being biodegradable, that's cool if it is, but that Goose Game case looks terrible and cheap compared to regular cases. Actually, I never throw my cases away, so for me, having a more durable case it all the better. They're collectors items for me, so if they want to bring someone like me on board with this, they're gonna have to make a better looking and more premium product.
I definitely wouldn't pay more for it considering I don't throw them away. The cases material doesn't make any difference for my affect on the environment considering it doesn't get thrown away. In fact, the more durable the less of an imprint it will have on me. For the shrink wrap being bio-degradable, excellent idea that will benefit everyone.
insert silly political opinion here
@deathaxe
So green energy is needed more then really
Like wind farms, solar panels etc that may help the situation a bit.
Sometimes when driving late the amount of shop signs and industrial estates all light up with no one there or nothing open. The amount of junk mail we still get through the letter box.
There are so many simple things the governments could ban but don’t bother doing.
It’s all about economics and money and the human race doing what is best for their enjoyment whilst that human is alive for say 75 years.
We will never really address the issue unless it is a danger to ones life at that moment in time.
Say like Covid is, the environment just seems like the futures problem as we are all breathing and eating and enjoying right at this moment in time in our current life time.
I would prefer cases to be the size of PS1 games.
Cut down half of the size of the current form to make it shorter, would be nice!!
What is this nonsense PlayStation games on green cases, this must be an attack from some Xbot writer taking over push square
@Kalvort Yep, I have a whole load of CD cases that are cardboard and look great. A PS5 disc could easily work in that form.
Lol, this is all just pandering to the flowers of our society that can't grasp the planet will never be able to support well over 7 billion people and growing, they focus on small tiny things that won't actually do anything so they don't have to face reality it is human overpopulation destroying the planet. Global warming, pollution, mere symptoms of the problem, and you don't cure something by pointlessly targeting it's symptoms
Ummm yes...everyone could do more.
@Subsided Is this you saying that you’re going to go on a mass murder spree or something?
None of my games so far have ended up in landfill as they are in boxes for that rainy day when I get really bored. Even my cardboard SNES game boxes from 25 years ago are still going strong but plastic one take a bit less looking after.
Considering the costs of transportation and manufacturing, and considering the discs themselves will take millions of years to degrade, this all seems like a bit of a half-measure. The entire concept of physical games is ecologically unfriendly.
And no, I wouldn't pay more for "green packaging" unless I was forced to. I'd go digital, which I mostly do already. And it's, far and away, the more environmentally-friendly option on the table.
Ideally, gaming would shift to become primarily digital, which I think people will become increasingly comfortable with, as the dinosaurs from my generation who bought all their games on cartridges and discs as children are replaced by people who have grown up downloading and streaming their entertainment.
Which isn't to say that a large-scale shift away from the use of plastic for game packaging wouldn't be worthwhile, but it's not going to be enough on its own.
“Going green” is a politically motivated marketing fallacy. In a world where logic prevailed, we would be living on nuclear energy and the large majority of plastics would be replaced by hemp based materials. One can dream.
@Dezzy70 I know right how dare there's a different colored box. F*cking blasphemy
@Subsided Damn Thanos calm the hell down lol there aren't any Infinity Stones in this reality
@Kalvort That's a fun suggestion. Imagine the amount of plastic that would be saved if game cases were more appropriately sized. I also happen to really like PS1 jewel cases, and wouldn't mind seeing a high-quality, paper-based variant for modern, blu-ray based products.
@Ralizah The CD sleeve for Merriweather Post Pavillion by Animal Collective totally sold me on that style for games cases. The dimensions are pretty similar to jewel cases while being a lot thinner and cardboard.
@nessisonett nope but that exactly illustrates why this is useless, no one dates tackle the actual issue, while the problem spreads and gets worse, so do the symptoms but we put a bandaid on the symptoms that bottom line just annoys people and costs them more money because it sure as heck didn't help the environment any
So now its video game cases that are a main cause that needs to change...I'm so tired of the "green" people. Fact is, if they got rid of all game cases today or even 10 years ago, it wouldn't change even a fraction of a percent of the what is happening in those places. It's not our fault other countries don't actually recycle their recyclable products. Instead they dump it all in rivers and oceans.
Should have gone for PS1 size cases we dont have booklets anymore anyway.
@nessisonett That's cute. I know I said I wouldn't pay more for green packaging, but if they were affordable, I might opt for those cases in that style as an alternative to the usual plastic ones.
@Kalvort I never understood why they would not do that. Its a wink too the past, half the waste less transport costs its a win win.
Maybe they should stop releasing sportsgames physical its just a simple update every year and the are useless the next year. Here they give them away because nobody wants them anymore. And so many issues with food all the vegtables are shrinkwrapped, chips is packaged in non recyclable bags and i swear even with something as simple as cookies they put in 3 different kinds of packaging.
@TheFrenchiestFry
I know it’s crazy.
I even purchased some blue and white trainers for this summer as they are spot PS5 colouring and also slightly design wise, with some minor Japanese writing on them.
Next lets make the consoles out of paper to cut back on plastic. It was my thinking everyone is going all digital anyway. Of course I would have no problem if they went to all steelbook cases!!!!
Green-colored PS5 disk cases? O_O
Sacrilege!!
On a more serious note however, it would definitely be best if at least games and movies could move 100% to digital distribution solutions. I'm sure the collectors would revolt if such a thing were to happen, but from the "protecting the planet from pollution" POV, this would help a lot.
For my part, in the PS4 era I've bought only 1 disk, Rise of the Tomb Raider, and regreted it right after i used it for the first time. Because of the noise and increased loading times it generated + increased transfer times to SSD, especially when compared to downloading the game from the internet and loading it directly from said SSD.
All the rest of the many PS4 games I have, were bought in digital format, no exception... even re-bought ROTTR when there was a big discount on PS Store...
Since I'm not a collector, this is the best format in which to own games. Aside from doing my part to protect the planet, and the low points mentioned above, there's no occupied space in the apartment and no possibility to lose a game because of an accidentally scratched disk. Win-win all the way!
Geez! They got rid of instruction booklets and now what? They might begin to package biodegradable discs? Once installed they go the way of the "Mission Impossible" smoke stack?
@zupertramp Morbid and true. But if not for the hard plastic cases of my old games (like the Mega Drive) those cases would of long been destroyed from use and handling and would no longer give me joy when I pull out my retro games.
Digital only.. problem solved.
Not sure what or vote since packaging is usually used for the format I barely buy anything in. Seeing as Sony has had a digital store for ages and seems rather fascinated by the prospects of cloud gaming, they might already be going greener than we realize.😄
I love collecting games and i have a massive collection of all kind of edition. Packaging doesn't matter can be cardboard or any other eco-friendly stuff just please don't get rid of physical editions entirely because a lot of people like to own the games not just downloading them from a server.
Yes send us some seeds in every PS5 System sold.
@Medic_Alert I disagree, it is about me. It's actually about both (me and the planet). The joy I get from holding/using the games of my past is a real thing. Making those cases less likely to stand up to use/time does affect me. I throw away dozens of cubic yards of plastic every year; it seems like a better way to help reduce plastic waste would be to focus on the products that are made to be disposable or single use and eliminate them (bottles, packing material, shrink wrap, etc.).
For a start stop doing the packaging for digital only games like Fallout 76, there's no need for these. Maybe also shrink it as well and how about digital manuals you place the disc in your console and it had a small download button for the manual if you need it.
Who on the face of the earth buys physical games to begin with. It's pointless for Sony to worry about something this pointless when in probably 5 years physical games will barely exist.
Paper cases are absolute toilet.
Remember the Saturn game cases? Let's not go there again.
Some kind of biodegradable plastic would be better but let's be honest physical games probably only have this generation left before they're scrapped and were forced to pay 70 quid + for every new game since there's no competition.
My collection of discs is somewhere around 4500 pieces (3700 movies, 200 music, 600 games) so...
as collector - I hate different cases, they just step up from uniformity
as gamer - yes, I prefer physical copies
as person - I don't care material unless it works same
as any other human on planet - All food packages waste, in majority plastic, I produce monthly equals to at least one-third of my entire life collection. Ergo in one year, only food packages waste of EVERY person equals to around 20000 dics cases (multiply by your age). Doesn't seems 1 case per person less than drop in a sea?
@LeeHarveyOzgod hopefully we’ll have enough storage space on our drives by then. That’s really my big problem. As a collector, keeping digital games can be tough when you run out of space. (Jeez, this is weird) Right now, I’m trying to track down some images from the SCEJ website for IQ Mania on PSP. Those images unlocked bonus minigames on the UMD just by having them on your memory stick. That website is now gone and I might have those images on an old hdd, but it’ll take some digging. Digital preservation with antiquated data is tough when someone decides that storage space is better used for something else. And when that data is no longer obtainable (limited time offering, too old, we’re updating our store, cease and desist), then we’re screwed. It’s what keeps me swaying back and forth between digital and physical. I’ve got tons of games where I have both. I’m trying to now only do that with my most important games.
Hope they don't. I don't want cheap garbage paper cases for my discs
If you are some green fanatic just go digital, no need to ruin physical media if there's already and option.
I buy physical whenever possible, and if I'm keeping games, I want the cases to last, so I'll always prefer plastic to cardboard, as they get damaged too easily.
"Single use plastic" isn't necessarily automatically a bad thing. Sure, if it's a straw, bottle, cup, maybe so... but if it's a container for something you're keeping for a lifetime, and it's recyclable, that's different.
The biggest part of plastic pollution is people... those who just carelessly discard it by dropping it in the street, where it gets blown around and ends up in streams, rivers, and oceans. If it's properly disposed of and recycled, I don't see it as that much of an issue. But the whole aspect of littering is a personal hatred of mine; to me, an anti-littering message should be drilled into kids from an early age, in much the same way as anti-racism and the like.
My Digital PS5 is doing its part to save the planet one day at a time..
Now if only Sony could produce cheaper yet same high quality digital software to compliment the system
anything to get rid of physical everything, i like my cd cases and would hate to lose them but it doesnt matter what is said they are going to do what they want
Imagine if someone (specifically a Xbox player)were to buy say spider man miles morales, then tried inserting it in their Xbox.
Are people throwing away their game cases?
As much as I like collecting physical copies of games I love, the future will be digital only by PS6 or PS7.
However I do still support the idea behind more environmentally friendly game discs/cases and plastic shrinkwrap, until that inevitable digital future is upon us all
@Playstation Yeah, plastic is a terrible package product, even if you forget about the toll it takes on the planet. A nice fold out biodegradable heavy weight cardboard would be just fine. It's crazy that we've even gotten worse about plastics. I remember when games came in just smaller jewel cases.
Stop producing products in china and you'll make a huge difference, they are using peat and low-grade bitumen to run electric generation plants, move production to somewhere that has plentiful hydro or nuclear power production. Heck or let china keep doing their thing but require them to use carbon-sequestering tech and burn some anthracitic coal.
Has anyone attempted to measure the energy usage of downloading a game? And last I heard streaming on Netflix isn't exactly energy efficient. What's the right target?
Does everyone on here really care this much about a green environment or is this just fan service?
An eco solution is a good solution. I think i can pay more to help the ecosystem. BUT WHY THAT NEED TO BE GREEN? Black, white or blue, that is playstation... Green? That is almost a salute to the cashier...
" Yo listen up, here's the story
About a little guy that lives in a blue world
And all day and all night
And everything he sees is just blue
Like him, inside and outside
Blue his house with a blue little window
And a blue Corvette
And everything is blue for him
And himself and everybody around
'Cause he ain't got nobody to listen (to listen, to listen, to listen)
I'm blue, da ba dee da ba daa
Da ba dee da ba daa, da ba dee da ba daa
Da ba dee da ba daa, da ba dee da ba daa
Da ba dee da ba daa, da ba dee da ba daa"
Its abnormal https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwnN1tmhHAMQRgtDsscndOoNOeK4lKMeKfaQ&usqp=CAU
The easiest way to solve all this is just to make the digital game pricing more in line with the cost of physical games. I still think its outrageous that digital games can cost sometimes £15 more on release than physical copies. If they were better priced more people would buy them, simple.
@Wormold
That would really only make sense if physical media was also constantly on sale with savings of up to 95%, like digital games.
Which to the best of my knowledge, they don’t.
I am physical exclusive gamer except on PC.
The day everything goes digital is the day I will stop buying games and just pirate them.
If you want 100% pure future just embrace that idiotic cloud gaming without consoles just one PC or a modern TV.
My PS4 games tally reads as follows:
Physical: 4
Digital: 118
And one of those 4 came with the console...
That’s not me trying to save the environment. That’s just me going where the bargains are. The bargains aren’t in manufacturing and distributing redundant things. That costs money.
PlayStation have reacted to this by releasing a digital only edition of their new console, which I’ll obviously be getting. I’m not sure they can do much more than that when it comes to eliminating waste.
Ultimately, I don’t understand who this packaging is for. Biodegradability is only a desirable quality in disposable things people throw away. If you’re admitting this stuff is heading for a landfill, why manufacture it at all? If it’s for collectors and posterity and future generations, don’t they want packaging that lasts, like 90s Sega, rather than packaging that disintegrates, like 90s Nintendo?
@Zuljaras
“I am physical exclusive gamer except on PC.“
You’re also a massive hypocrite. Hope you’re ok with that.
I’m amazed at the current trend of wanting containers and packaging to go back to being tree based. They are extremely resource intensive to make and transport compared to plastic. The creation and transport of paper bags and paper straws, for example, produces 4-6 times the amount of greenhouse gases (the plastic versions are generally made from the byproducts of the petroleum industry, so don’t require additional felling of trees), and they are far far lighter and smaller in dimension, meaning less fuel is used to transport them. Plastic bags are also re-used more often.
And the one benefit of tree based products, their ability to be recycled, rarely happens.
Now I’m not commenting on video game packaging specifically as I’m not aware of any research done specifically in this space, but the automatic assumption that creation of products from trees is somehow better for the planet has to be questioned.
Admittedly it’s sad to see mr seal choking on a PS5 case...
I do think the cases should be smaller though. Make them just slightly larger than the disc.
@McDosy Yes I am fine with that.
PC is extremely physical UNfriendly and I only play PC exclusive games on that.
For the consoles I always go physical because I love collecting cartridges and to lesser extend discs.
While I like my packaging to look nice, environment takes priority.
Super. Let's cut down the rainforest so we have more paper for the cases. Seriously, the problem with the plastic sleeves is the color and not the plastic itself. Purely transparent envelopes are
best to recycle. Of course, to protect the paper sleeves, you don't need any extra plastic (irony off)... when these paper covers are exposed to moisture, no one buys the softened things any more. Physical games will die out sooner or later anyway. Just like the drives.
@Zuljaras
No you don’t. You say you do, but you’re a hypocrite. If you love collecting things, collect them. If you love playing games, play them. But don’t try and tell me you love something you plan to trample on and steal. People who really love games don’t pirate them. They embrace the new opportunity to buy 118 of them in a generation.
Your proposed theft isn’t justified by any of your imagined rights or ideals. You’d not be making a point or taking a stand. It’d just be thieving for your own gain, both material and to inflate your self importance.
You might be ok with being a hypocrite, but it means nothing you write is worth reading. You’re lying to everyone, yourself included.
@McDosy Calm down Sparky
@Zuljaras
Aw. Bless.
Travel back in time and the games of the Spectrum and C64 were in small cassette boxes.
Forward a bit and the Amiga discs were in cardboard boxes (when recycling & green concerns were barely a thing)
Forward a bit more and the original Playstation discs were in slightly bigger than a regular CD case.
Again bit forward and PS2 games were in DVD boxes and PS3+ in Blu-Ray cases.
Each of these was for shelf presence and to include a printed manual and multiple media.
We no longer get a decent manual, all games are pretty much on 1 disc and shelf presence is either non-existent (on-line) or get lost in the noise (retail)
We could easily change the cases for something smaller (perhaps go back to PS1 days?) or even a sealed "digi-pack" CD style cardboard sleeve. I don't think it's hurt Nintendo by using all those old PSP cases...
If not for the few pesky PS4 physical games I’ve still got I’d be totally planning on buying the all digital PS5.
@Paranoimia however if you keep the cardboard case in good condition the value of the game will go up exponentially quicker over time as the likelyhood is that other less looked-after boxes will degrade, like with SNES and N64 games where there's a large differential between boxed and unboxed prices.
Thank you for highlighting this issue! And encouraging to see the support from your readers.
I personally don't see the point. I buy them physical so they last, biodegradable means either the package is going to degrade sooner, or it's not as sturdy and will damage the disc.
And yes, I realise that once I'm dead there's a bunch of plastic cases that are probably going to be thrown away eventually. However I think that in terms of quantity, the game cases is nothing compared to the plastic waste the average person produces on a daily basis, over a lifetime. So I don't think it's going to drastically alter my carbon footprint.
There are a billion others ways we can improve the waste issue, I don't think replacing plastics that are meant to last with biodegradable materials is the solution. Especially because digital is already an option for those who want it.
And I'm not some hillbilly who doesn't care about the waste issue. I'm practically vegetarian to reduce my carbon footprint, and I eat plenty of vegan whenever I can. Try to eat as much local produce as I can. I ride my bicycle every day, and I only use my car for 20+ km rides. Game packaging is honestly not on my priority list, because it wouldn't really make a noticeable difference anyway.
@Kidfried I have a ton of vinyl as well. Ironically all in a plastic sleeve, because the cardboard starts falling apart after a while, and it's being hold together by tape in some cases.
That being said, vinyl itself (also a plastic) is definitely more resistant against moisture and light radiation. Optical media is not.
@Octane Yeah, game cases are not going to make much of a difference. Plastic that’s not going to be thrown away for years, and that’s if it’s thrown away early, isn’t a big priority. Things problem use and throw away regularly is much more efficient and should be gone after. One could even argue developing this as opposed to something used more often is a waste of resources.
@kidfried But is that change an efficient one? Wouldn’t those resources be more effective used to figure the Chinese take out, in which case a donation would be more effective, but wouldn’t scream “look, we’re such good people that care so much about this wonderful cause” so much. If it doesn’t make a big difference in our daily lives, then it’ll be tiny compared to other efforts any company could make. Because you say the effect is multiplied on the publisher side, but the same thing is true for something we use daily, so it’s still just as tiny in comparison. The more I think about it, the more this seems like a flashy, but wasteful use of resources in being smart with the environment. But hey, people like flashy more than what’s efficient or more helpful.
@Deanster101 The implication of "keeping something for a lifetime" suggests not planning to sell, and therefore the value is irrelevant.
Physical games should be in durable, but easily recyclable packaging should disposal be required. See the state of 90s cardboard games packaging for the reason why. The impact of physical games will naturally diminish as digital takes over, anyway.
@Jaz007 Yeah, if you think about the waste of general produce, the situation is awful. Some veggies are in plastic bags. It's not always easy to find alternative. Some companies have this half plastic half paper bags, but those are an even worse nightmare to recycle, but hey, they use 50% less plastic, and they can put that on the label. Organic cucumbers over here are wrapped in plastic, whereas the regular ones aren't.
@Kidfried I'd love to see the metrics of actual carbon release between all the options. It's a difficult issue regardless, because as some have already mentioned, even downloading games and patches release carbon dioxide, data is big consumer of energy as well. So what's the better alternative?
This reminds me of this review I saw of Ecosia, an alternative to Google that plants trees with generated add money. The incentive is great, but the downside is that their search engine runs on MS's Azure servers, which are also responsible for a ton of carbon release, whereas Google's servers are said to be carbon neutral. So you'll end up in this rabbit hole, and no solution seems to be the right one.
I just think that if Sony were to switch to cardboard cases, they'd probably make a big deal out of it, even though the environmental impact would be minimal.
I say no.
Because:
1. Its even better to promote digital
2. Green is the color of xbox
@Paranoimia value is never irrelevant, you may need the cash or when you die your benefactors can then sell them.
If you want the minimal impact from packaging then just go digital. No packaging at all!
@Kidfried Everything is an “or” situation. Resources used on one thing can’t be used in another. That loss could be used as a donation for something more effective, therefore helping the environment much more in a less flashy way. Using time or money on a thing has an opportunity cost, so that’s why it’s always an “or.”
@Deanster101 Don't have any, nor will I. Don't have kids, don't want kids, don't like kids, and I personally am not driven by money.
as someone who has a large collection of CDs, i'd have to say that cardboard is not an answer.. i have digipacks with cardboard packaging that have fallen apart, even without very much handling. there are recycleable plastics, and durable alternatives..
and all the 'go-digital' martyrs are deluding themselves.. music has shifted much more online, particularly streaming, than games, and carbon emissions from music have never been higher. spotify and all its alternatives are currently more environmentally unfriendly than CDs ever were - and until major world economies can be produce efficient, clean energy in substantial quantities, to radically cut back emissions from energy consumption, it's not likely to change.
@leucocyte right. But think about the games these days... you buy a physical copy and then have to download the same size as day one patch. So there is no need for the physical copy at all. Okay you can sell it again well...
@ORO_ERICIUS - imagine the saving to the planet if publishers were forced to ensure their games actually worked properly on release, rather than printing broken garbage onto disc and then releasing 20 massive patches for millions to download.. .
@leucocyte yep. TRUE
This is a bit of a strange topic. Game cases contributing to plastic waste so Sony needs to do more?
Seriously... are there really gamers that throw their games in the garbage?
There is a gigantic market for used games.. a gamer would literally be throwing money in the garbage.
In addition - aren't they already doing a lot (and others too) by selling digital copies? Isn't zero physical components as green as you can get? (electricity notwithstanding).
@Culjoseth nobody cares, but there is no new games to play or talk about so they can all pretend to be advocates. Politically correct.
@McDosy I don’t know my physical vs digital numbers but I do know that there have been WAY more deals on physicals games then digital. But I also go where the deal is when I’m not sure about a game. My best deals lately was Immortals Fenyx Rising for $19 and Tony Hawk remake for $8, both physical, both from GameStop. One way is not the Way, it’s A way.
If we were truly serious about saving the planet with waste reduction we wouldn't be cheering on PS5. We'd be horrified that we're not still on PS1, and that this cycle of upgrades is horribly wasteful. Technology should last at least a human generation. We'd be lamenting non-user repairable batteries and sticks, and the fact that these appliances can't be locally serviced for 30, 40, 50 years. We'd lament wireless controllers with disposable toxic batteries existing at all and insist on wired, as it's less wasteful. We'd stop with cell phones and their high voltage broadcast towers and endless batteries entirely and go back to low voltage line-supplied telephones and shared use pay phones instead of phones in every pocket. And in solving that we'd roll back buying power and classes by decades, and make a massive dent in income inequality as well. Ultimately we'd demand to roll back the modern at least a half century or beyond, and demand to live simpler lives in a smaller, much less connected world devoid of most modern, disposable technology.
Save the planet: Buy a used PS1 and be happy with it until you die. Think of all the waste you've reduced!
Interesting that there are still people so heavily against this. I guess they don't plan on having children or really think about any of their young family members. The world is sick (quite literally) from our current way of life, I am glad to have joined the conscious shift. I have embraced digital in it's entirety since the digital sales and ps+ games. I get that game preservation is a thing, but generally old discs will still die one day. I'm sure if you keep digital downloads on external HDDs they will still be playable through account checks for many many years, even if they are pulled from sale.
Most comments here are naive and/or dumb. Video games cases are a drop in the ocean that is pollution. Most green measures are a marketing ploy to sell you cheaper materials at the same premium price than before. It's for money and PR, not the planet. You are never going to save the planet with such limited actions. All you do is giving yourself good conscience. We need to push our governments for legislations and regulations of industries. There are a ton of pollutants that we don't speak enough about outside CO2. Putting the responsability on individuals is a fool's errand and is highly ineffectual.
Anyways, for those that really want to be green and miserable, you shouldn't be a gamer at all and no internet or streaming Netflix. Those servers uses a ton of electricity and produces a ton of CO2. Also, no trips. No car. No kids. Do all that and then we'll discuss replacing cases. In the meanwhile, ***** off and let me collect my things. I do not drive a car. Never took a plane. Doesn't have a family. So, I'm already better for the planet than most of you posers 🥳
@McDosy....... Heloo Mr Jesus I have never told a single lie in my entire life. You are so rich to call @Zuljaras as hypocrite.
PC game is totally digital and it's the reason I also play on the console.
Before calling @Zuljaras a liar and cheat you must call all of gaming liars and cheats and hypocrites just like yourself.
EA do not sell or advertise FIFA as a digital only game on PC yet it is. Buying a physical PC disc of FIFA will not result in your playing FIFA when you insert the dics and install it on PC, as a matter of fact you will not be able to play the game offline even though the game is sold physically in a stonebrick store on a physical disc. SAME THING WITH ACTIVISION AND CALL OF DUTY.
Is this not and hypocrisy from EA and Activision yet none one says anything about.
Yet a gamer who tries to find a solution to an unfair situation they have been put on my be okay with being called a hypocrite or liar.
I WILL NOT AND DO NOT BUY GAMES ON PC, I PIRATE THEM ALL PATCHED UP FOR OFFLINE PLAY.
I WILL NEVER LOG-IN TO A PUBLISHERS SERVER TO JUST BE ABLE PLAY A GAME THAT SHOULD BE EASILY PLAYABLE OFFLINE JUST TO FUND THW GREEDY INVESTORS COFFERS, AND F*** THE DEV AS THEY ALSO ARE INVESTOR SGILLS GIVING US HALF BAKED CRAP AND LOCKING GAMES BEHING SERVER PAYWALLS.
IT'S THE SAME REASON I DID NOT BUT GT SPORTS L CAUSE AFTER SUPPORTING POLYPHONY FOR 20 YEARS THEY WENT AND GAVE A MIDDLE FINGERS TO GRAN TORISMO SUPPORTS IN FAVOUR OF THE MONEY FROM FIA, NO THEY DON'T DERSEVE MY MONEY.
SO F*** VALS WITHH THWIR STEAM, F*** MICROSOFT AND ANY GAME COMPANY THAT THINGS IT'S OKAY TO LOCK A SIMPLE OFFLINE PLAYABLE GAME I SITE A SERVER PAYWALL.
GAME SHOULD BE LIKE GTA 5, COMPLETELY PLAYABLE OFFLINE WITHOUT THE NEED TO LOG IN TO ANYTHING ANG IF ANYONE ONE EXTRA ISH THEN THERE IS GTA ONLINE, THIS IS HOW GAME SHOULD BE.
BUT WHEN THE INDUSTRY IS TRYING TO PUSH IS INSTEAD OF GTA 5 AND GTA ONLINE, THEY TRY TO PUSH GTA ONLINE WITH GTA LOCKED INSIDE GTA ONLINE.
F*** THAT I WILL NEVER SUPPORT IT WHATSOEVER EVER. IF IT TKAES PIRATING FOR DEV AND PUBLISHERS TO CHANGE THEIR WAYS THEN I WILL CONTINUE PIRATING ALL PC GAMES.
PS: SONY CAN ALSO EAT A FAT ONE, I AM PIRATING HIRIZON ON PC.
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