The fierce debate regarding the price of games rumbles on, driven almost exclusively by Returnal right now. Housemarque’s upcoming PlayStation 5 exclusive roguelike is bringing a bunch of interesting ideas to the table, but discourse surrounding the game is pointed at its $69.99 price point. In a Push Square interview, the Finnish studio stressed that it’s “doing our half of the value proposition” by making a great game; obviously the debate will rumble on, regardless of the title’s overall quality.
The first publisher to officially announce a PS5 price increase was Take-Two, with its next-gen version of NBA 2K21. And speaking as part of a conference this week, as transcribed by VGC, boss Strauss Zelnick still believes it was the right decision: “We announced a $70 price point for NBA 2K21, our view was that we’re offering an array of extraordinary experiences, lots of replayability, and the last time there was a frontline price increase in the US was 2005, 2006, so we think consumers were ready for it.”
Zelnick, however, did continue that Take-Two has not announced a price increase for its entire slate of software, and stressed that the publisher will adjust on a case-by-case basis: “We all know anecdotally that even if you love a consumer experience, if you feel you were overcharged for it, it ruins the experience, you don’t want to have it again. [If you] go to a great restaurant – a really, really fine restaurant – have a great meal and great service, then you get a bill that’s double what you think it should be, you’re never going back.”
He added that Take-Two’s policy is, effectively, to overdeliver and undercharge: “So we always want to make sure that consumers feel like we deliver much more than we ask in return, and that’s true for our current consumer spending as well. We’re an entertainment company, we’re here to captivate and engage consumers, and if we do that then monetisation follows.”
The higher price hasn’t exactly hurt NBA 2K21’s sales, as it was one of 2020’s better selling games – although it’s worth remembering that it did have a cheaper PS4 alternative. But it’ll be interesting to see how titles perform moving forwards, with Europe particularly feeling the pinch, as tax and exchange rates can push the price of some games well in excess of $100. As alluded to at the start of this article, Returnal may prove to be the real acid test here.
[source videogameschronicle.com]
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Is this joker for real? Ready for £70 games are we? I am so glad he is ready to tell me what i'm ready for because i have lost the ability to choose for myself ..i notice they are not ready to cease micro transactions LMAO...
I'm glad he's ready because my wallet isn't .
The funniest part is their garbage sports game are now charging that plus they are riddled with microtransactions. They can take a flying leap.
The gamers addicted to sports can’t help but spend their money.
No Mr. millionaire. We are not.
A 10 dollar increase isn't the end of the world but this "players were ready for an increase" talk is extremely off-putting.
I don't know what signified we were ready. Was it the pandemic? The high unemployment? Decades of wage stagnation?
It's whatever though, I guess they do fine in spite of all that.
I'm hoping that this $70 thing won't work out for any of these publishers. I mean, I can barely think of a $60 game that was worth full-price.
In the end, it puts too much pressure on us gamers to "enjoy" the product. Like, "this is good...I dunno about $70 good, tho."
A bunch of snakes preying upon complete morons.
I think the test will come in the next year or 2, now everyone buying a new console they are more willing to part with 70 for a game, wait until most ppl have new consoles and a good library of games are out already, then we will see if people are ready lol. I think once there is enough games out for ps5 I will consider my purchase more at the moment though as not much out on ps5 any new release I want I will probably buy, whereas in few years will probably have a backlog again lol and wait for sales.
Saying this with a straight face while being the publisher behind sports titles riddled with casino mechanics is insane.
These bigwigs in the gaming industry make me laugh. The gaming sector must be the most lucrative (by far) in the entertainment industry. They don’t have to worry about pirating - not anywhere near as much as the music or movie industries. Gaming as a hobby has never been more popular and is growing. And with the gradual move towards digital sales they get an even bigger share of the pie still. Cry me a river when they talk about increasing costs. It’s greed, pure and simple.
Translated as sports fans will pay anything up front, then likely more later but we'll have to be more careful about single player because they might tell us to f*** off
Maybe Sony fanboys were ready for it, I saw too many people on PlayStation websites and who are part of the PS fanbase on twitter defend the price hike, normal gamers were not 'ready' for and certainly didn't want to the price on games go up.
The Take Two boss has obviously been on Mars since early 2020.
70 quid for a game !!!
He can f**k right off !
Dont forget thoses $70 sony exclusives
@Northern_munkey
Word for word, this.
@zupertramp no joke. Can't wait to see what they think we're 'ready' for next.
The one that ready is sports and cod gamers since it's the only games they bought on their console, so additional $10 for one year isn't that big of a deal for them. For people that's buying a lot of game peryear on day one then yeah, it's a bit much.
I understand why some games (with no mtx) has to be $70, but that didn't mean I want to buy it at that price, I just wait until it's discounted and play my backlog instead.
Consumers were ready? Smack bang in the middle of pandemic that will likely lead to a long lasting global recession? Don't make me laugh. That is one of the reasons why services like Game Pass are so successful. People dont want to, and can't justify, dropping that kind of money on a game
Yes it's true that the cost of development has likely increased, but at the same time, that will be balanced out by the huge increase in people now playing games.
In truth, Im fairly neutral on publishers increasing the price. I mean I'm never going to pay $/£/€70 for a game, and i'll be buying more games when they are discounted, but i can understand the mindset and position of publishers to an extent, even if i don't welcome the price increase. However, to imply that we as gamers are happy about it is insane
Right now I'm ready for £20 games.
70 sovs is far too much for any game in this current climate.
Games companies need to get their collective heads out of their arses and understand this.
I got my PS5 at Launch and still havent bought a single PS5 game , I have a huge PS4 backlog to get through , i dont think il ever pay 70 quid for a game 60 was the sweet spot but only for day one must haves , 70 is just too much
I'm not surprised a cretin like Zelnick is saying this. This is the same man who wasn't satisfied with GTA V being the most successful thing in entertainment history.
Anyone else remember when you could pick up really good Commodore 64 games for a fiver or less ?
@TrueAssassin86x Will happily pay $70 for any Playstation exclusive then most of what Take Two churn out.
"overdeliver and undercharge"
I just peed myself.
Guess I won't be buying the next GTA, Red Dead, Mafia, or bioshock game. Just like I haven't bought a single Sony PS5 game and don't plan it.
Why is it always the companies that make the ***** games that are the most vocal about defending $70 price tags? No matter who said this, it'd still be BS, but it's extra ironic when it's the people selling you a winless casino & ads with a side of basketball.
@Gamer83 as a "sony fan-man" i can say with utmost sincerety that i was not prepared for this...whilst i am certainly able to purchase a £70 game i have stated before that i will not out of principal and to show solidarity for those less fortunate financially than myself...cease your baiting drivel..
I’m perfectly content with waiting for a price-drop AND a patch that brings the games into a finished state.
He’s right having seen a lot of comments from Sony fans since they announced their games would be £70 on release.
Im ok with $70 games but not £70!!
Realistically should be more £55 max (if not £50)
Hahahahahahaha...let me catch my breath...hahahahahahaha!
Wait, it wasn't a joke?
I think companies are going to see their profits drop massively. Most games I wouldn't spend more than 50. The exception to the rule I'd I'm spending 65 on the ratchet and clank game but I may decide to cancel it depending on early previews
I can tell the developers are ready to get rid of micro transactions. They have been around since 05 so I can tell it’s definitely time for them to go.
@Burntbreadman I’m not okay with $70 games.
@Abeedo This
I'm willing to make a deal. I'll pay $70 if you release your games bug-free and finished, and include for free any future dlc.
Attachment rate on ps5 tells a different story. I’m still waiting for demon souls to drop before i purchase. I’ll probably never buy W game at release again if they charge £70
You know if the price increase meant no MTX in those games and more of the DLC being far cheaper and free then fine maybe $70 price isn't too bad but the MTX are still there and the DLC is still really expensive and rarely free.
I'll pass a camel through my anus before I pay anywhere close to 70 gbp for a game.
Last few years within a year of release the NBA games are on digital sale for less than a fiver. I love basketball but only hardcore fans are paying £70 for a yearly sports title. I’m more than happy to download the latest roster for free and pick up the next one when cheap. It’s not like the new version is ever ground breaking
NBA 2K21 isn’t worth $10 let alone $70. Microtransactions galore. They can F off.
It's pretty simple. If enough people put out the cash to buy a game on release day for the inflated price, then that will be the new price for subsequent games.
If enough people don't like it, and don't buy it until it's on sale, then subsequent games will start with a lower price point to drive sales.
We help set those prices, by how we spend our money. And there are enough people spending triple digits on release-day titles with season passes and other bonuses tacked on, that it's no wonder developers think they can charge more for the base games.
I don't really understand why, but even though I could stomach the increase from $50 to $60 back in the 00's, there's something about the jump to $70 that really puts me off. And this is from someone who remembers when some new SNES games launched at around $80 (looking at you Final Fantasy).
I'm guessing that someone did the math and saw that there are enough people willing to pay that much to get a game at launch so that the profit makes up for the number of people who will now wait for a sale. From my own perspective, I've gone from a likely launch buyer to a wait for a sale buyer for most things.
I don't mind it. If the game is good and not stupidly short. Then I think it's worth paying for.
If I'm not sure about a game I'll either wait for the reviews or a price drop. Not getting a game on day 1 isn't the end of the world and if you think it is, then Jesus I wish I had your life.
At they end of the day they're a business out to make profit. Not appease gamer man babies. Can't afford it? Buy fewer funko pops
I've never paid £70 for a game and to put it politely I never will.
If it's a game I really want I'll just patiently wait a month or so for the inevitable price drop or "sale"
It's not that I can't afford £70 it's more the principle
These idiots could make the game “free” with all of the micro transactions and still profit.
@AdamNovice
I wont be buying any $70 game especially when the price drops in 3 weeks or less like godfall did
“frontline price increase” use of the word “frontline” is tacit acknowledgment that prices have been going up for gamers. I would challenge them to release their information on how much gross revenue they got per copy sold in 2005 vs. 2021 including the revenue from all DLC and microtransaction.
$60 (USD) in 2005 is $80 (USD) in 2021.
If their average revenue per copy is less than $80 I’m willing to entertain the idea that a price increase is reasonable.
Yeah, no, not happening mate. It’s the principle of the thing.
"and the last time there was a frontline price increase in the US was 2005, 2006..."
Yeah, but then you adopted MTX and season passes and deluxe editions, and all the other bullcrap which was, supposedly, meant to counter the fact that game prices have remained stagnant for 15 years.
So he can piss right off in pretending that all that stuff hasn't resulted in games becoming progressively more expensive, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the NBA 2K games which are monetized worse than many F2P games.
Strauss really is a turbo twerp.
Lol that pic Anthony Davis is perfect
Nope I'm not budging, no company will see $70 from me. I'm now able and dying to play Demon's souls but I will rather wait 2 years for a price drop if need be.
What a cnut (no I cannot think of anything more to say)
He really has his finger on the pulse. I remember that day when all of us gamers got together and finally agreed that we'd been paying too little for our games. And finally this hero rode in and granted our wish. I actually feel like I should pay him more because they've been undercharging us for years. Maybe I can set up a payment plan for him to take a certain percentage of my salary every month until I've payed him back for my earlier lack of readiness.
@Northern_munkey
I didn't say everybody, but there was a good amount of people using the 'rising cost of game development' and 'game prices haven't gone up in over a decade' arguments to defend Sony from criticism for raising prices to $70. I'm taking it on a game-by-game basis. I'm willing to pay $70 for Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart on day one, other games we'll see.
LOL most people didn't accept $59! I did but only for must have AAA games. I understanding selling game to people that only buy 1-3 games a year $70. But it hurts a lot more for big fans that buy 10 or more every year..
@TrueAssassin86x No MT, no gambling, no copy and paste, not useless in one year, original games polished too near perfection. Yeah thats the same as a yearly roster update. 🤪
Or you could just a few months for the yearly sports titles in n the bargain bin.
@Juanalf Goodluck if i had a PS5 the Firstparty games would be here on the first day quality is worth my money. Not the yearly gamble, MT, yearly roster update oh and real looking sweat.
@Boxmonkey If most consoles are in the hands of scalpers how will you sell games?
I love how the sony fans defend $70 exclusives games but in the same breath rip on $70 sports games no game is worth $70 period
@TrueAssassin86x How can you say for me if game isnt worth €70? I have a simple rule if it has MT or Gambling or a simple roster update its not worth €70 especially if it has all three. I find your excuse quite ridiculous and those games arent the same. The Sony sportgames are the same for me they should not be raised in price because they have more then enough recurring monetization.
Gamers are ready for $70? Perhaps some. Not everyone has a disposable income, so a $70 + sales tax will add up very fast if there are 8-10 games you want. There are always cheapskates like me that waits for the bargain bin, though!
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Damn, that sucks about the taxes/fees/exchange rate, etc. Always wondered why a $60 game wasn't €51. But I digress, price it however you'd like, unless it's a "must have" multiplayer game, I'm waiting on sales.
@Marios-love-child sad to say, I have. Waaaaay back when, super contra: alien wars on the SNES was $69.99, when first released. I needed that game. So my uncle said if I could get $25(I was 9 at the time) he would pay the rest. BOOM! Lawns mowed and cars washed. Great times with friends and family. But now a days? Nah, I'm good. I'll wait for a sale.
i think it is more like... AMERICAN gamers were ready for $70USD games since their pricing remained static for 10 years. but the rest of the world was already paying more for their games long before the price hike in america. that is the problem. prices for games should have remained the same in other parts of the globe due to the horrible conversion rates we suffer with everything based on the american dollar. $100CAD for a game is just not going to happen for many people.
I'd like to know why they think $70 equals £70, we've pretty much had a £20($27) increase here in the UK.
Yes I absolutely agree. Everyone is prospering so much during high unemployment these days. We are definitely ready for $70 games.
@TrueAssassin86x Godfall is not a first-party game and released same time on PC. What was your point exactly? I don't think actual first-party games from Sony drop their price after 3 weeks from release.
I'm ready for quality $70 dollars games. But far too often games are buggy or not fun to play.
Sounds like something a clown would say. He is talking charging 70 dollars for lots of quality, replayability.
Yes, folks, we talking about the game where half of the modes and features gets locked 1.5 year after launch because that's how long they keep servers on, and in the meantime they are on - it takes 1 second for a movement to reflect on the screen because that's how bad their servers and control input latency to the servers is on top of already ridiculously canned animation times where you can't cancel your animation and pretty much forced to sit and watch a whole sequence of them in a row.
They forgot to mention they should charge us even more, because apparently porting a game to new console of the same old code copying pasting files actually needed more time this time around, because they also had to crank up graphical settings up so you can better see those amazing 1/3 of while nba player scanned faces and unable to even update the new pics for the players that switches the teams in off season, making whole starting line up have players wearing each a different kit in their photo or having no photo at all. They actually call it a "rainbow feature". I was told they are charging exactly 0.01 cent per one new droplet of sweat on the shaded skin, where half of the work is done by post processing already done by the engine and developers didn't have to struggle making shading manually to match lighting like they did have to do it back in the days, because it's actually really easy to build game worlds now with the tools they have on the market compared to 2005 when they last time increased the game prices.
I am not against price increase for the games that deserve it, but 2K needs to just disappear.
Oh, almost forgot!!!!! I was also told by my insiders that 25 dollars from that 70 dollars price point is actually for a good cause where they donate them to their company to cover their financial loses when someone does misclick a button and backs out of a microtransaction screen.
2K 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡
Me to 2K's boss: GET F-ED!
@Machines Same. Launch PS5, zero PS5 games. Too busy with backlog and not giving a f-k to pay these outrageous prices for new releases.
@Machines This. I’d cough up $60 for a handful of favorites back in the day. There isn’t a franchise left I’d pay $70 for, or even $60 now.
And if you’re going to insult your consumers with your arrogance, I’ll wait a year and buy it for $20 or maybe not at all.
I wouldn't call it a 'debate', the games industry is making more money than ever. Games don't need to go up in price. No amount of corporate PR drivel can alter that fact.
Every “boss” I ever knew I beat, and if I was lucky, without using any continues.
Honestly though, what a tone-deaf jerk... $70 a game during and after a pandemic where many lost work and jobs. Go pound sand, “boss.”
@TrueAssassin86x it’s so funny 🤣 #itsokwhensonydoit
After years of being Switch only, I just bought my friend's old PS4. It was a lot of money for us, but I figured there are a lot of games available in the $20 neighborhood. My first PS4 purchase was HZD from the Playstation Hits collection, $20. My second purchase was Cities Skylines for $25. And that's how I intend to continue.
My wife is one of the millions of people who are still out of work because of Covid 19. My workplace has been taking major losses for over a year and letting people go all the time. $70 games? Not this year, dude. And definitely not for the latest version of "Basketball, But With Some New Players And Even More MTX".
I mean, I get the price increase. As stated, it has been a long time since coming. However, the thing that doesn't sit right with me is you'll have thieves like EA who will charge us an extra 20 for a game but still scam us with micro transactions. What are these games like FIFA and NBA going to give us extra to warrant the price hike? When most of their games are hidden behind micro transactions anyway?
@JasmineDragon Welcome to Playstation!
I got a PS4 Slim late last year after transitioning from Xbox, twas a very good decision. There are loads of great games!
@Razputinman Thanks for the welcome! It's been pretty cool so far. I love the Switch, but there's definitely something to be said for super-pretty graphics and having enough power to run a sim like Cities Skylines without choking up.
The only game I bought for PS5 is Sackboy, for €30.
This clown can shove his MTX-riddled games sideways up his arse.
Starting at $70 is fine. Many games already do. 🤷♂️ people will decide if it’s worth it or wait for a sale
Nobody is every ready for a price increase and we had this very same argument when PS Plus went up, yet in real terms AAA games even at 70 are cheaper than they have ever been. It's just a psychological barrier.
Yet like others have said it's nonsensical to pay 70 when in a matter of weeks there will be a price drop. I currently have no intention of ever paying full price for a game ever again.
@JasmineDragon Exactly haha, I love my Switch too but it is definitely an issue. I get most of my games for PS4 but if there's a Switch version of it I'll most likely get that one for portable gaming.
This using Bank of England inflation calculator. Will be different in other countries.
.......................______2020__% Ave wk _No. Hrs.
_________RRP_____Real____ pay____ Min Wg*
1995 ps1 49.99___ 98.3 - -
2000 ps2 49.99___ 86.07 ___13.79___ 13.51
2006 ps3 59.99___ 88.78 ___13.35___ 11.21
2013 ps4 59.99___ 70.32 ___11.55___ 9.51
2020 ps5 69.99_____________11.57___ 8.03
*number hours min wage earners need to work to buy a full price game. (pre tax)
Yes i'm watching cycling have have nothing better to do whilst it's on. Still won't pay it though
I've bought one single £70 PS5 game new, Spider-Man Ultimate edition....but I paid £40 for it off eBay.
That translates to a base price of $90 here in Canada & it’s absurd IMO...sure you may point to inflation and say what’s the big deal the devs. gotta make money somehow (which in the case of NBA 2k is eyerolling), but bear in mind it’s not like I’m earning any more than I was before the price increase (in fact working less due to the circumstances).
It’s honestly enough to make me reconsider a game i’m on the fence about & simply wait for a sale, despite how much I may like a dev. or product I don’t think if they come out with these types of statements then they have my best interest in mind.
He is right. Next year every AAA game will be 70$, and people will pay.
How to make $420.
Sell six games at $70
or
Sell seven games at $60
I'm not sure I agree with marketing that only one in seven is going to mind the increase. Guess we'll see.
The New Math:
Sell 2 games at $70
and
sell 10 games at $28 after the sale
Quite simply, that man can go f*** himself.
I will not pay £70 for any game this gen and not because I can not afford it I will wait for a price brop I've just picked up 2 ps5 games for the price of one . If I look at any game I have can I honestly say thay be worth it no way .. games drop so fast anyway unless it's a nintendo switch game lol lol
I have all the next gen systems so I will always have something to play if I'm waiting for a game to drop . As some have said here if it came with all dlc no micro transactions season passes it would the be worth it . And some games are so short looking at you new spiderman not worth the full price he'll no
LOL, no. Until developers are consistently releasing FINISHED Games, they don't deserve $70. Let alone full price. They are lucky ppl pay at all anymore. If you think we're ready for 70. Then I want a finished game, free trial or demo, no microtransactions, local and online multiplayer, and actually fun games worth money and my time. And no more bloody ports. News games or bust.
Take Two believes in us. It is encouraging to know they stand behind us and feel that WE CAN DO THIS!
I am ready for $70 games; the Take Two boss was right.
I've recently been spending around $70 per game on several NES, SNES, and Genesis carts to fill out my retro collection.
Lol... he says we are ready but ever since they came out with it i have refused to buy games at that price and i have a ps5.
Even if it's the most amazing game, i probably will just wait for a price cut.
It really depends on the game to be honest. I don't mind paying more for games like FFVII remake, Horizon, the last of us, etc. because those are mostly good value games. But for the other titles like FIFA, COD that release yearly...... I don't want to pay that much.
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