Talking Point: How Would You Improve PS Plus?

I think PS Now is the only one that is really necessary in order to improve the service.

Though honestly, I still think PSPlus is fine as is. Great games offered throughout the year with a now solid online infrastructure and cloud saves.

A lot of babies would probs disagree though cause “Game Pass”

A bundle with PS Now would be great. I wouldn’t have a reason to ever leave the house again.

PS Now needs a download option for all featured games. I know it will take a lot of time and resources to get that running for PS3 games, but I really think the effort would be worth it in the long-run. If they did that and bundled it with Plus, that would be a big improvement. Monthly game line-ups that aren't like the last two months would help too.

Rolling in PS Now is the obvious one for me, I am not overly interested in more Films and TV to endlessly scroll through, the choice is just ridiculous and expensive if you sub them all!
I think maybe add a quality game each quarter to PS5 plus collection too, not sure why nothing has really been added since launch as it is a great bonus feature.

PsNow is an issue in of itself seeing as its not even avaliable in a LOT of places, so before they bundle it in with plus i would like to even be able to access it.
and I really wouldnt mind a pricebump if it meant we got more games avaliable in the ps+ collection. Something like gamepass, while not profitable for the company, is incredible for customers.
And also, I dont care if Backwards compatibility becomes a PS+ only thing, I really want my ps3 library avaliable in my 500 dollar machine

Combining PS Plus with Now would be a great idea. I'm now completely sold on cloud gaming as xCloud works so great now that I've bought a Razer Kishi and made my smartphone a Switch clone. To clarify, I initially hated streaming games and I was never into gaming on the go. I'd happily play PS3 games with the setup I've got on PS Now if it became part of PS Plus. Even if the price went up a bit.

It needs to be mirroring/improving on Xbox game pass. So better “free” games including brand new games. Also online multiplayer needs to be free. Stop making payment largely about multiplayer because huge amounts of people aren’t interested in it at all, me being one of them

PS+ & PS Now combined - job done. Either that or give the subscriber a choice of titles and then let them download 2 a month?

I voted to combine ps plus and ps now.

Leave it as it is..it works perfectly well and is easy to use..i will admit it was a bit slow on the ps4 but maybe that was down to tech limitations but on the ps5 its fast as hell and is very easy to navigate despite what the naysayers go on about..leave it be..

As others say, integrate in with PSNow, it's the logical step. Then improve PSNow. Add some PS1,2,3, and 4 titles. With more over time, make them permanent additions and stop porting games natively to Steam.

Make them use PSNow and get a continuous revenue stream.

PS Plus is mainly to receive games which you keep as part of your collection
PS Now actually has two things: streaming of older games, downloading PS4 (and PS5) games (or streaming) and downloading PS4 (and PS5) games for a limited time.

I can understand that distinction, but there is too much overlap in games releasing on the platform.

The only thing I wouldn't like is that Anime or movie streaming becomes part of PS Plus.. The price has to come from the users, but I wouldn't use it and probably stop my subscription.

@kingbreww it dosnt need to mirror game pass at all...microsoft has its own system and we have ours..and its perfectly fine as it is..so sick of people hailing game pass on a playstation site..ffs..

They should offer free sweets/candy.

Combining with PS Now would make sense. I sub to both and PS Now is probably the better service, at least in the last year.

Better games is so subjective. Honestly the months where there's a major game announced on ps plus I'm disappointed cause typically its a game I have already. I miss the days with 6 games every month. Much more likely an indie gem could be in there that I never heard of that I end up enjoying

cloud saving should be free like it is on xbox

party chat is also going to be free on xbox

It's already a sublime service, fact. But I would add PSNOW.

$120 12 months of psplus and psnow merged together

Its PSNOW is what needs improving

Better sale offers or discounts on new releases would be good. If there ever are PS+ bonuses in sales, it’s never more than a pound or two.

@Northern_munkey PlayStation’s is miles behind in value. Yes it does, big time

Combine it with ps now but most importantly make every ps now game available to download. Mine isn't too bad but not everyone has lightening fast broadband to successfully stream games. Being able to download and keep as long as your subscription is live would solve that issue

I'm all for combining Plus with Now. The problem of Now not being available in all countries isn't that big an issue. If it's not available in a territory then just have the download option available and it's a bonus if streaming is available in that region. As more regions come online then more people get access to that.

I'd also like to see some better discounts for being a plus subscriber, like discounts on all pre-orders or all Sony published games... something like that.

They could also offer some first party multi-player games as free for Plus subscribers rather than charging extra as an added incentive. I mean you need Plus to play those online anyway so they are still making money but it would be great to think that subscribers get access to stuff like TLoU2 Factions and GoT Legends standalone for no extra.

I think PS Plus offers good value and I'm not necessarily suggesting they need to do anything, although continually providing great games is a bonus. Side note for the conversation if PSNow gets added - when a game is on PSNow, for goodness sakes, make sure we get the PS5 version when applicable. I feel like that's kinda embarrassing when the other platform gets that but we don't. I.E. Avengers should allow a free upgrade to PS5 since it's offered for people who own it on PS4. If there's an upcharge already, that can be up for discussion, but free upgrades should be applied to PSNow.

I can see where Sony would try to offer value through pulling in unrelated services without affecting the bottom line. And Plus isn't ridiculously expensive. But right now, the reason to subscribe to plus is simply because you're held hostage and have no choice. If you want to play online? You pay. If you want cloud saves which are very important to some players? You pay. Other than that.....there's not really a reason to pay. You don't subscribe because you want to and it offers you something nice. You subscribe because otherwise important features are locked behind the paywall. That's all Plus ever was. If it wasn't required for online and cloud saves...how many of us would actually pay for it?

Does it need to improve value? It's a paywall, not a service. It's not Game Pass where it's selling values, features, and services as a desirable feature, it's Sony's clone of XBLG, a paywall for online and little more (XB doesn't lock cloud save behind XBLG so it's even less mandatory there, though.)

Yes, it could become a more enticing service, with more features, if they wanted it to take on Game Pass, but isn't Now the one that should be taking on Game Pass, while the "give us money to do absolutely nothing" Plus paywall for online shouldn't be price-affected? (A lesson MS recently learned the hard way.)

Just thought of another one which was mentioned on a thread but would be great...

Extend cloud saves to all members linked to a family account!

@Northern_munkey my Nephew got an Xbox for his Bday with Game Pass and honestly it’s not that amazing tbh. It’s basically PSPlus/PSNow combined with EA Play and Xbox Exclusives on day one. But honestly, how many Xbox exclusives are actually worth buying anyway?

It’s a great service don’t get me wrong but Sony could easily match it if they were bothered enough to even try.

@render yes, this definitely needs updating. 150 individual saves (or whatever the cap is) is nowhere near enough.

Absolutely 0% interest in any forms of video shows, movies, anime, or VoD. I get those from other forms like Netflix, ect.

PsNow, gamepass subscription style where you could play same day released games for free as long as you have ps+ subscription. Subject to Sony interactive first party games only, or else we would never be purchasing games ever again lol.

Many few ideas are possible, allowing the gamers to interact with more games. Videos are not what is required, or a more expensive ps plus subscription just for vids.

@RBMango but you can't play ps3 on ps4 any other way, the ps4s don't have a ps3 emulator in-built because they're not fast enough to run it, nor do they have any ps3 hardware so you'll only be able to stream remotely.

I'd actually like a tier system which can cater to everyone like bronze would be free but can play online but no other plus features, silver can be what ps plus is now with a few games a month and cloud saves ect, then finally gold I under stand they don't want to put there 1st party games but what if you get like a token where you could get one 1st party game of you're choice each year and maybe a better selection of games each month.

I picked other as i want a cheaper price, $20, for basic online play for those like me that are not interested in the games offered. The Plus discounts always seem to be for games i have, games that i don't want, or games i want but a physical copy instead of a digital copy.

Not sure it needs improving to be honest. Maybe if PS was the only console I owned I would be interested in a Plus/ Now bundle, but as I have Game Pass on my xbox and PC, I don't really feel the need for ps plus to be more than it is.

I feel if Sony bundles Plus and Now together it would really increase both service's value.

I’d like for them to make online free.

Combine Plus and Now into a new named service which is basically Now. 75$ for a year.

Also offer the above combined with Sony’s other services like Crunchyroll. 90$ for a year.

PS Plus for 30 € p.a. with one free game per month. PS Plus Platinum for 90 € p.a. with today‘s PS Now included.

Merge with PS Now as well as better and more free games. There was a time when PS+ had multiple games across PS3, PS Vita and PS4 per month and that was the best value PS+ has had in its 11 year history.

More day 1 releases of Indie games please.

Other: built-in emulator for ps3 games and ps now without streaming for all countries, so everyone can downliad and play ps now games on ps5.
Also, merging together psplus and psnow. Psplus collection is a great start for such initiative.

This will top Xgame pass easely.

I would bundle it with PS Now, Crunchyroll and Funimation (for a slightly higher price) and as part of all future ps plus games be streamable from PS Now, and as Max_The_German said, call it PlayStation Platinum.

Also, cut this bulls**t practice by feeding us lots of online games through psplus.

I don't have time for them. Also I'm not planning to buy all these dlc's, no matter how hard you try.

Video streaming should not be the focus.
There are already too many streaming services that serve my needs.
We need more games, better free games and some kind of GAMING answer to gamepass.

Bundle it with PS Now is the simple answer. And I'd also say let subscribers keep one of the older titles offered every month even if they leave the service.

I don't see video content as a benefit for a videogame service. There may be some overlap in customer base, but I guarantee the vast majority of the subscriber base would never touch the "added benefit" of services like Crunchyroll. They'll feel like they're being joked on if that's how the service "improves."

Offer discounts and packages for subscribers of both, like the way Hulu can be packaged with ESPN+ and Disney+, but if all they do to PS+ is add video content it's going to blow up in their face. I know for a fact that none of my friends who have PS+ would ever touch Crunchyroll. It'd be a complete waste.

@RBMango download ps3 native binaries and play them on ps5? It will never happen. Not worth it to Sony and you'll need a ps6 for that.

Make online play free, that would help no end…..

@fR_eeBritney
"it's PSPlus/PSNow combined with EA Play and Xbox Exclusives on day one"
It really isn't, you missed out games like hades, outriders and lots of indie titles you might never try, also game sync.
The reason why people go on about gamepass is because it's feels like a gift that keeps giving. I have both machines and Sony are far behind on this one and it may sting em... A little.

@NH1402 sure. Grat idea. It'll cost just slightly more... like $30 a month.

The number of children in the comments thinking Sony is running a charity. LoL at your ideas dudes, you would run the company to the ground within first 6 months.😂

@fR_eeBritney i agree they could if they wanted but i dont think it needs it..but thats my personal oppinion..

Definitely not by adding films or animation. That is not what i subscribe to ps plus for. Better games and better discounts is all I'm after.

The dream for me would be have PS Now with PS1, PS2, Vita and PSP games. Heck, if it had those I'd probably be subbed already even without being bundled into PS Plus.

@kingbreww its not miles behind in value..dont talk rubbish..ps+ is great value for what it does and i suppose game pass has its value for those who own an xbox..there is no need to compare the two at all as they are both different business models aimed at two different platforms..i see people who have both systems on these forums moaning about ps+ and how much better game pass is so why even own a playstation or subscribe to ps+ if its so inferior? I dont understand the mentality and the only thing i take from it is that those people deliberatly like to enflame others..if you own both systems then why do you bemoan ps+ so much? Dosnt it strike you as a bit odd that you sing the game pass praises so much yet here you are commenting on something you clearly think is a poorer option..

A choice of games that we can choose to have every month? Rather than automatically give us games we may already have OR games we will never play.
If Online play was free on PlayStation............. Nobody would buy this service for the poor games we are given

If I ruled Playstation, I would implement two things:

1. Bundle in PS Now

2. Provide a selection of free games to choose from during a month rather than 3 that are locked in.

Both of those have huge challenges-not everywhere has PS Now, and negotiating with each developer to get stuff on Plus is probably difficult even without there being a few games to choose from. But Now would be incredible value, and a choice would give a better chance that subscribers would get something they would play rather than a month that is a complete whiff (like last month was for me).

I am honestly fine with Plus the way it is-I have been a subscriber for a long time, and I completely feel that I have gotten value out of it. But I do think the service can be improved.......

@TheDudeElDuderino I wasn't the one saying they'll bundle everything and keep the same price. I know the price would increase to maybe something like $20-25 or so a month. Its reasonable to imagine for crunchyroll and funimation being merged in the future (as they said themselves), so it wouldn't make sense for them to include the price of each of them separately, in a large Sony bundle like this though.

Add to the Plus Collection on PS5, up the free games each month to four, offer a bundle option that includes Plus and Now for those that want to have both and cut the price in half.

😉

ps3 game downloads is just never going to happen, i would love it , but its not going to happen.

Just add better games, gamepass were getting hades and other new indie (and AA) games while psplus usually getting random games.

I’d add better games, merge it with PS Now, add more PS2/3 games and then make the PS3 games available to download instead of just stream-only. 😂

Like so many have alluded to, pair ps+ with psnow, with a slight increase. Short of that, make ps+ free. I mean what does ps+ give you now? Discounts, the occasional free game. Online play isn't locked behind ps+, is it?

Add more games from the back catalog to PS Now, and make them downloadable, I would say

@Bobbycuckoo I get what you’re saying (I simplified a little) but if Sony combined PSPlus and PSNow into one service I imagine it would narrow the perceived ‘gap’ considerably for most people. As much as I enjoy Indie games occasionally, they aren’t really everyone’s cup of tea. I’ll give you game sync though. Xbox are way ahead with this.

But... whilst I do think a lot of people would like Sony to combine PSPlus and PSNow, I do appreciate that I am/was able to get 12 months PSPlus for £30 (£2.50/month).

Do I really want to pay more for a combined service, most of which I probably wouldn't even use?

I suppose that’s where tiers would have to come in (but you can already buy the individual Plus/Now services right now if you want to, which is technically the same thing as tiers).

Just looking online now, you can get a 12 month PSNow sub for £40 (£3.33/month).

So for under £6/month I could get pretty much everything I would want out of Game Pass (minus EA Access and the Indie games/Xbox exclusives). Game sync is a separate issue.

My Nephew got a 3 month Game Pass Ultimate voucher with his Xbox but after that runs out he’ll have to pay £10.99/month (I haven’t been able to find anywhere I trust selling a 12 month Ultimate Game Pass here in the UK but it may be possible to get 12 months cheaper).

So, £10.99/month (Game Pass Ultimate) vs £5.83/month (PSPlus & PSNow) ...

When you look at it that way, Game Pass isn’t really as ‘great’ as some make it out to be. And having seen Game Pass with my own eyes, I wouldn’t say it’s a system seller or really even a major advantage Xbox have over PlayStation at all. Great if you already have an Xbox I guess but if I had to choose between Game Pass and Sony’s killer First party lineup, there really isn’t any competition.

Wait, what was the question again? 🤪

Rather than providing each month 2 pre-determined PS4 games and 1 PS5 game, allow subscribers to choose x number for games from a "shopping list". For example, for a start, include all the previous games that were provided on PS Plus - this will incentivize new members to join.

I only subscribe to PS+ because I have no option if I want to play ALL the content I buy. The 'free' games and other 'benefits' offered are to me, a distraction to offset the fact that I have to subscribe to play all the content on games I have purchased.

If they made online access 'free', I wouldn't hesitate to cancel (or just not renew) PS+. Even though that would instantly cut my backlog down as numerous games would become inaccessible, I'd happily give all those up.

Of course, whilst I do have to pay to keep playing many of the games I bought, the only way to improve it from my perspective is in the Games offered. Making them unconditionally free, increasing the number of games offered or even reducing the price of PS+ would improve it for 'Me'.

I couldn't care less about using my console to watch TV, Video content, couldn't care less about 'Crunchyroll' or PSNow (not in its Current format)

Better ps plus games.and bundle the ps plus games with ps now.and ps3 games you can download them also forever will be a must and thats for a 1 year psplus .that will be cool.word up son

@PhhhCough Online and cloud saves are locked behind + except F2P games. (MS stopped locking cloud saves behind the XBLG paywall when they launched X1, but continued locking F2P behind the XBLG paywall until a few months ago. Nintendo locks cloud saves and online play behind the NSO paywall, starting with Switch, and in true Nintendo-fashion, didn't lock everyone out of online until like year 2 after launching the hardware for maximum confusion.)

It's kind of confusing so many people keep calling it a good "value". When it started it was an optional monthly free game club with the instant library thing in the PS3 era. But since PS4 era, it's not a value, it was never meant to be a value, it was meant to be a paywall for online service when they realized it worked for MS and they could clone it for free money. It hasn't been about the freebies since PS4 launched, despite occasionally getting nice games, they mostly try to offer games they know the core members already paid for. Now really offers a lot more "value" than the glorified paywall. That 720p on PC though....

@BAMozzy FWIW, Now isn't so bad. It's a huge library and a bargain basement price. The biggest problem I have with it is their PC client is garbage, their controller support is even worse than garbage, and the streaming resolution would be doing a disservice to quality garbage to refer to it as garbage. Plus, like with many PS vs XB issues, it's the little things like the cloud saves not automatically syncing, and some games, like TCS1/2 offering the PS3 version instead of the improved PS4 version. That's just cheap. I wouldn't doubt we eventually get Persona5 added to Now.....the PS3 version of it.

Less services. I'd remove the online paywall and make gaming better for all. I'd then make plus the only way you can get discounts on all first party games, and bigger discounts for 3rd party. I'd remove the cloud saving paywall...but add a larger size cloud saving with plus.
As the generation moves along I'd add two ps5 games alongside two PS4 games. Variety of indie/AAA.
I'd add two other tiers. One premium tier that includes psNow (Just games - which I'd start adding ps5 titles to today!). And one 'first class' tier...that would let you import game saves to other profiles, allow more than one account to have plus and get games discounts ect. Have a monthly time limit of psnow (just the games)

I'd create two tiers for psnow. One premium tier that would add Sony movies/crunchy roll and games. And discounts on purchasing all the content that's on the service.
And one normal tier of just the games. No discounts.

@Northern_munkey yeah, I agree - having thought about it (merging PSPlus/PSNow and trying to compete with Game Pass) I’m not sure I want them to either.

Wish I didn't have to pay for a subscription to be able to play online tbh especially when I can play the same games online free on the pc provided they have pc releases

@Northern_munkey anyone can clearly see gamepass is miles ahead of ps plus. It’s not even debatable. No I don’t own both either, I own a Ps5. I am just living in reality when I compare what you get from gamepass vs what you get from ps plus

Im laughing my ass of here i want better games for €5 a month. You want better games then we will pay more thats for sure. I have no issues with the games to be fair i dont even have time for more games i rather have some movies in there.

To be honest keep it like this and keep the price i dont want to pay extra for extra games i dont have the time for to play. Or online with online saves only for a lower price and give me the option to back UP my saves.

@kingbreww fair enough..enjoy your alternate reality...mean while back in the real world...

Personally I'd get rid of Plus and make online free again then if Sony want a sub make PSNow a stronger service

I like ps plus, but would be great if we had ps now here in Brazil. Even if we get to pay a little extra for this.

PsNow would be nice but it's not available for all regions 😒

Lump plus and now together. I have zero interest in films, music or cartoons on my PlayStation or as part of my sub. I have other stuff for that and not enough memory as it is without stuffing sausageroll and Netflix or whatever on my console too.

Still think a $100-120 annual Now/Plus sub would really be legit. Especially as Playstation continues to offer better Now options and downloads. I'd lock 1st party releases to 6 months off the service.

They need to integrate PS+ with PS Now for the same or similar price as PS+ currently cost. Besides PS5, I also have an Xbox one X and a pass subscription (like many of you). It is definitely more useful than PS plus. I recently played the Ascent and Hades, the latest super hits, which is currently impossible to do on PS+ and PS now.

Better free games. I don't want PSNow bundled if it is going to raise the cost. I don't see why the current format is such a problem. You have a choice by getting the services separately. Bundling will absolutely raise the price. Choices are better than no choices people.

I just want better free games and potentially more of 'em. I don't see them bundling PSNow with it as the feature itself isn't available in several countries.

No point saying to give “better” games because that’s subjective. And I don’t care how new a game is, that has zero impact on quality.

I voted to include Now with Plus, and to offer more features (to me this would focus around more ps1 and 2 games emulated with trophies and streaming of games on my phone). I would also love true mobile games added for free (with trophies), for when streaming isn’t possible.

I choose PSNow as the only option. Not because it's like Game Pass, but it's the only way to get retro backwards compatibility on PS4/PS5 (even if it is a streaming option).

Make it cheaper? Actually have a base line, no PS+ games or anything else model for those that are only paying to play online.

Just better games, but that's down to the individual.
I would like Sony to maybe actually do some research and ask us now and again what we might like, give us a list of potentials maybe to vote on.
Fund some new indies that go straight to Plus.
Or even let us continue playing them after our subscription lapses.

FYI the PS5 games are not part of the subscription. Sony sees them as a bonus, presumably in case they have nothing to offer some months.

By combining it with PS Now, something that Sony should of done years ago and long overdue. Something that Microsoft did a long time ago, so far behind Sony....

When PlayStation Plus was introduced it was an amazing service that after time got watered down greatly. Bring it to the level of that PS3 era and I'm happy. More quality, no video or other buffet style crap.

Hi, - When I look at the Yearly Subscription and what I have in return then I am happy with the situation - I get to play a lot of Games I would never have dreamed of buying. - Might not always like them, but there is always the odd gem. - A few more PSVR Games would be nice, but not sure of what the % of PSVR Owners are subscribers to PS Plus.

Bundle it with PSNow and/or other services and offer more discounts.

Other.
Same great stuff but cheaper. Ta

They should bring back PS3 and Vita games. Since Sony shuttered those stores and stopped doing sales they could probably get any of those games for a pittance.

If there's going to be a premium PS+ then there needs to be options that actually benefit people who subscribe from many brackets.

I don't have PS Now, because it's frankly a garbage service that only ever uploads mediocre games or 1st party games that are super old now. I've never considered PS Now worth the subscription so there's no way I'd upgrade a PS+ to have that shoddy service

As for crunchyroll benefits, I don't watch anime at all, so that would be a pointless thing for me.

If there's going to be things that make PS+ worth it then it needs to be things like far better games, or early access to some games.
Maybe some better in-game benefits such as cosmetics or shortcut packs idk but then there's a whole thing of games becoming P2W.

Definitely some kind of Netflix or Spotify, or preferably Tidal HiFi subscription and app support.

If not that, then at least let us have cloud storage for all accounts on the console as long as one account is subscribed. Currently I can't do cloud saves, or access cloud saves on alt accounts unless each account is subscribed to PS+ which is ridiculous. It needs to be more like Amazon household in that regard.

& If none of that, then I have no idea.

For PS+ premium options to be worth it, they have to find ways to either benefit the other services we use, or give us in game benefits, or benefit our pockets with other services, otherwise forget it.

Most of us don't give a ***** about anime, or PS Now.

First of all fire the people who are giving these ***** games every month

Second offer dlcs not just small ones big dlcs like forsaken or shadowkeep

#FireRyan is the first most foremost thing i'd do before i could even finish thinking about the thought of doing it.

then id get rid of the Plus all-together and MakeOnlineFreeAgain.

Bundle with PSNow. It's the obvious answer.

I think the only think they need is someone to balance the games better, don’t give 2 sims the same month, don’t give 2 FPS the same month etc

The only reason people want PS Plus and PS Now combined is they "think" that it would come at a discount price! Why not just ask for what you really want? You want a discount for PS Now if you already subscribe to PS Plus!!!

There is zero need to combine anything and force both services on anyone that does not want both!

Continued Discounts will only lead to Continued less Quality Games!

I think it’s fine as-is and would have liked that option.

Add online play feature on PS now, reduce price on PS plus and only gives out not so good games. Another tier for anime as I bought it separately anyway.

Definitely more/better games and more features. Unlimited cloud save and cloud space for videos and screenshots would also be welcome.

As it is right now, the price needs to be dropped. Otherwise add PS Now.

The number 1 complaint about PS Now will NOT be addressed this generation, and the sooner people get that through their heads the happier they will be: PS3 games will NOT be playable natively on a PS5. It's not happening - give it up. The hardware is too different, and a PS5 is not powerful enough to emulate the PS3's cell architecture, which is radically different than a standard PC. Even if it were, a few measly bucks a month is not going to cover the costs for Sony to build an emulator. This will not happen - especially for the games that really leveraged the full power of the PS3. You might as well ask for flights to the moon for your PS Now subscription - it's about as likely.

Then there's the cost - in the US, if you pay full price for an annual plan, you pay the same for PS Plus and PS Now combined ($60/year each) as you do for the low-end Game Pass (that doesn't include PC gaming) at $10/month. But since Sony offers discounts on Plus a couple times a year, and on Now maybe once a year, while Microsoft doesn't offer discounts, you can still get both for less. The difference, then, is in what's on each service - MS has new stuff where Sony does not. If Sony decided to go toe-to-toe with Microsoft and offer new games on release day (and yank many of them 1-2 months later), then Now is going to have to cost a lot more to make up for that.

I'm happy enough with Plus as it is - if they don't jack up the price and keep the games like they've been coming most of this year, I'll be happy, and anything else they throw in without raising the price is just icing on the cake. But if the price starts jumping to add streaming movies I may not want or to force me to bundle Crunchyrole whether I'll watch it or not, THEN I'll be unhappy.

I think we've got a better deal than many players think we do. Buy PS Plus - or not. Buy PS Now - or not. Pay as little as $40ea for an annual pass if you time it right (think Black Friday, at this point). There are a TON of great games I've yet to play from Plus alone - enough that I'm unlikely to renew my Game Pass at this point (I used a 3-year code I got at a huge discount when they announced XBox Gold would transition into the full Game Pass deal when it first came out, so I paid something like $100 for three years).

I think people will find Game Pass is a carrot-and-stick - we're still in the carrot phase, where they're trying to get us all hooked. Sooner or later Microsoft is going to start jacking up the prices or adding in restrictions and dropping titles, because they can't keep funding all the studios they bought on $10-15/month fees.

People not aware of how Xbox game with gold give out rubbish games for a long time now, for them either you subscribe more expensive game pass or you end up with very ***** games with gold. I don’t agree with PS plus this month free games are very bad, PVZ is quite a fun game. Tennis is not bad either.

They should remove games from PS+ and have them be their own bundle like Humble Bundle. $12-15 a month or $100 a year and you can choose 5 of say, 8 available games every month to keep forever, like forever forever.

Then they could just fold online multiplayer into the PSNow sub. That way people who just want games aren't forced to pay for online play that they don't want.

I have it because I play online! I wouldn't pay for it if the online wasn't behind a paywall!

GamePass triggers way too many of you. It’s undeniably gaining steam, because it’s a great value. Sony doesn’t have to do the exact same thing, but they could certainly improve their offerings. Heck, just give annual PS+ subscribers their choice of one or two new titles a year and/or combine it with PS Now. PS Now is a little better and has some fun games, but it could still be better. I’d just like to see at least one REALLY good game with PS + every month. Some months are good, some are really bad.

@TheGrizMan Game pass triggers me but in the opposite direction. It why I never want to see anything like game pass on playstation. Take a look at the new Halo quality was so bad Xbox users rage forced Microsoft to delay the game to improve it! Then look at the $180.00 a year price tag! Yeah you can get around it now. I guarantee at some point the ways around full price will be cut out.

I will continue to look for a reason to buy a Xbox series X but so far X box game pass seems like a cruel joke. Microsoft is holding out a carrot and always talking about whats coming. To date for the last 8 years its still somehow not arrived!!

I haven’t read all the comments (I have tired brain at the end of the day), but I’ve seen a couple times where people have suggested a PS Plus bundle with PS Now for $100-120. …Uh, that’s what the price of buying each separately already is. 😅
If they can be bundled I’m thinking something like $80 per year for both. A year of PS Plus is pretty common to get for $40-45 by using eBay or CDkeys or waiting for Days of Play or Black Friday sale price. I can already get both services for $100 a year.

I’d really like tiered options or an option to pick-and-choose between: 3 Monthly Plus games, PSNow, Crunchyroll/Funimation, cloud saves, and online multiplayer. Maybe “pick 2” for $40, “pick 3” of them for $70, “pick 4” for $90, or “get all 5 services” for $120 per year.

The mix-and-match for me would be awesome as I’d drop online gaming from my PS+ in favor of PS Now in a heartbeat. I’d happily pay my $70 a year for cloud saves, 3 monthly games, and PS Now.

I would love to see PS Now bundled with PS plus and if not at least make ps now available to other region accounts as well and not just to US accounts. A lot of gamers I've talked to didn't even know what ps now was until I mentioned it. Last but not least, please let everyone get the same games across all regional accounts. I have a Malaysian account and its been way too many times that I've missed on great games like Control and Remnant from the ashes be replaced by crappy games. Its painful to see your friends play those games and not be able to tag along because you didn't get the same games. Thank you for considering.

Don’t devalue PS+ guys. A bundle tier with psnow would exactly do that like it did on Xbox. Then you’d get crap for the lowest tier.
It’s not true that gamers who are on a budget want to pay more. They want to pay as little as possible with the best value service. That’s PS+ that could get more but the price needs to be the lowest.
You keep the games forever.
PSNOW and similar services are only random renting. Games come and go and if you didn’t have time playing them or want to keep playing them you are out of luck even though you paid for it.
And I m already sick of subscription warriors promoting a sub. They are worse than console warriors promoting a console haha

@NEStalgia 'If it wasn't required for online and cloud saves...how many of us would actually pay for it?'

Me, i've played online for about 3 hours in the past 12 months and i don't care about cloud saves.

I've been a Plus member since either 2012 or 2013, just in it for the games.

i accept i am likely a minority, but we do exist.

If they're going to do anything: Combine Plus and Now. Simple as that.

If Sony plan on increasing Plus price to give us Crunchyroll and other non gaming things then i'd be considering not renewing my subscription.

As much as the other side like to go on about Game Pass and its "value for money", to me the alarm bells are ringing that quality will drop to squeeze money or titles will be half baked to gauge interest then left unfinished when they're more niche.

@RobN While I agree that people should drop the whole PS3 emulation idea (and as connections get better it'll be less of a problem anyway just using PsNow streaming) PS5 could do it if Sony really wanted to - PS3 emulation on the PC has came on leaps and bounds lately on machines less powerful than PS5. Its not perfect on the whole library by any means but a substantial portion of it can run as good as if not better (resolution bumps etc) via emulation.

@kingbreww
Incorrect. PS+ is comparable to Games With Gold (NOT Game Pass). This misconception happens all the time. PS Now is the Game Pass rival.

Take away ps+ requirement for online multiplayer would entice me to join instantly. Everything else would be a bonus

A family plan would be nice, and long overdue.

I currently pay £160 a year to Sony and it's ridiculous they don't offer a discount.

Ps+ is pretty good for what we get right not just free games every month but exclusive discounts online storage etc but gamepass gives games and psnow being included into plus is the only way honestly I feel is gonna win some brownie points from people

My goto no-brainer suggestion is that, as each game becomes eligible to be a "Greatest Hits" title, it goes on PS+ a month or two beforehand. We should have access to all the greatest hits, right?

@JJ2 I don't see it as that different really. Now/Pass, yeah, you have a limited time (plus some permanent) games to rent while you subscribe, and yeah, I still have negative feelings about the temporary-ness of it all.

OTOH Plus/Gold gives you a smattering of games chosen for you whether you like them or not, and you can only rent them while subscribing, you can't touch them if you're not subscribing.

So one is an ever changing list of rentals you subscribe to, with a big list to choose from. The other is a very short list of pre-selected rental options that you subscribe to, and you can only play them if you were subscribing at the time they were released, as well as currently subscribed. So you really have to perpetually subscribe to either model if you want to really get your value out of either.

Personally the games on Plus/Gold end up almost always being games I either already own, worse versions of games than the version I'd rather buy, or games I have no interest at all in, with occasional games that I'm slightly interested in and try it because. Now/Pass tends to have things I'm genuinely interested in, even if they're on there too short a time, too often. I want to like the value of Plus/Gold, but I can't remember the last game from either that I actually got value from other than Bugsnax and AC Syndicate on Gold, lol.

@TheMysticOne In subscription services, it's known well enough that enticing people to sign up is the hard part, keeping them retained once they do is easy. You signed up for the free games back in the PS3 era when it was literally just a free games club, so it makes sense you'd think of it that way, still. I never signed up then because I didn't have internet that would make it viable at the time, but yeah, I can see that. If you add up all the good games that you actually wanted, though, over the years, and the sale prices they go for by the time they're on plus, did it really amount to much savings?

@NEStalgia I agree, keeping people interested is the hard part, so some level of engagement from Sony would go a long way.

You made me curious so i did a quick count, i have 229 games on my trophy list, i have purchased at least 61 of these, also there are a few that i haven't really played and possible a few without trophies early on.
So i would suggest that Plus over the last 9 years has given me around 150 games that i have played, i'm not sure if i've ever paid full price, so i just did 9 * £40.
So £360 for 150 games is £2.40 per game played and enjoyed.
There is no way they would have been that cheap in sales. I also have a good 20+ games in my backlog that i consider worth playing, such as MSG V, Days Gone, FFVII, Shadow of War, Shadow of the Tombraider.
All the ones with PS5 updates i am saving until i get one.

So you've conviced me that despite the bad times, overall its good value, Thanks

@NEStalgia
No I’m not sure you understand the difference I mean. A good example I find it Rocket League that was day 1 exclusive on PS + in 2015. I still come back to it from time to time to this day. It’s in my library like many other ps+ games. That’s not ‘random rental’ in the sense that they take it away from you after a while like they do in the other services. Same thing with many other games that I keep going back to. (It’s not limited in time which is what I mean with ‘rental’)

@TheMysticOne It certainly will vary by person. It sounds like there's a lot of "big" games that you didn't purchase prior so they were big values. Certainly better than what MS does with Gold, that's for sure. That probably is the exception to the rule though.

@JJ2 No, I get the difference, and I'm not saying they're functionally identical without any difference. For some like yourself there may be more value in having a game that's there "indefinitely" but overall it's not really that different. If you drop plus, you lose Rocket League. If you drop Now, you lose Eternal Sonata. If you resubscribe you can play either again. Obviously, Rocket League will still be in your library next year, but Judgement won't still be in a Now subscriber's library next year. But OTOH a Now subscriber has a ton of games to try across a large variety, and if you sign up today, whatever's up there today you can play. Vs Plus, if you weren't paying the right month in 2015, you'll never get to play Rocket League.

It's different in the details, of course, but the overall concept of "you have to keep paying indefinitely to play the library" is the same. One may work better for some than the other, but generally both rope you in to an endless subscription.

After the last 2 months, IMO I’d say better games. The last 2 months if the first time I didn’t claim any of the games.

For PS Now, I’d do GameFly before I’d do PS Now and that’s because of selection. PS Now has a lot but not very many I am interested in that I don’t already have.

PS Now in Australia when?????? 😕

@NEStalgia
What you explained is fundamentally different. Not just a small difference. At the end of the day if you play online games you have PS+ and those games (that you added into your library) are in your library forever. They don’t disappear (even if you unsubscribe for a while)

It’s similar to a MP game you own but you obviously need PS+ to play online. That copy is still yours to keep forever.

@JJ2 The details of using it are fundamentally different, but the need for a continuous subscription isn't. Arguably you're more tied to the Plus subscription than Now, because no games get added to your library any period of time you're not subscribed, so the less years you subscribe the smaller the subscription library you can access, while Now always has several hundred games you can play, even if you just subscribed today, discontinue for 5 years, then subscribe again. While Plus, all you'd have is tennis, PvZ, and whatever's up that day in 5 years.

I see what you're saying, somewhat, but that's just the details of how you build the library and how you access it. Arguably Now is still the better deal even at a higher price, since you don't need to subscribe for years to build up a small library that's pre-chosen for you. (multiplayer paywall aside.)

Plus isn't a library. It was born as a library, but now it's just a paywall with a really weird way of providing a library as a token of "appreciation" that happens to work out well for some people. Yes, it's a perfectly valid point about being able to retain those games in your library indefinitely versus them being time limited, but ultimately having to subscribe forever to get 2 force fed games added to your "permanent" library which often times are games you don't want or already own, versus having a rotated library of tons and tons of games to play, it seems like a no brainer. I get your point, and I know people even in the Xbox community that really don't like Game Pass and prefer Gold for the same reasons, it's a perfectly valid view, but overall, for most people, if you were to pretend there was no paywall for online/saves involved and offered Plus vs Now, I still think Now offers tons more practical value for money in terms of giving you games to play even if it's time limited. To me, Now is kind of the evolution of what Plus wanted to be when it started in the PS3 days.

I think there was a better argument for the value of Plus back in PS3 when you actually got to keep your games (same with Gold in the 360 days.) It was literally a free download code for the store, essentially rather than the hostage situation of tying access to a continuous subscription. Once they switch to that, I think Now/Pass became a much better value proposition than Plus/Gold, for anyone interested mostly in the game access.

I'd like more exclusive demos..... With came prices these days I'd like to try them out before paying $89.99+Tax CAD.

@NEStalgia
Haha you keep describing (from your biased point of view but nevertheless) how they are fundamentally different services and that is what I was saying.
PS+ is not perfect but it is what it is and your money investment is tangible. But I know what you’re doing and I’m not interested in pointless ‘debate’ about which services (or whatever box for that matter) is ‘better’.
They are just different whether you admit it or not.
People are also different and like different things which is good. I have ps+ and don’t need more (subscriptions).
I dislike the multi subs ‘Netflix like with a pool of content’ PSNOW, EA play, Ubi play, GP whatever you name it that want your moneee 😏Just agree to disagree and move on 😅

@SegaBlueSky you guys do know that the PS3 library had 3808 titles in it right? and PS4, 2 and 1 also had massive libraries.. No one is seriously thinking of "making all games available for download with PSnow and PSplus". This is a MAJOR financial plunge for Sony to do any of that, and its not going to happen with out a boost in game price, sub price or their other offshoots. If it doesnt make SOny any financial gain in the long run, I think we all should just stop dreaming at this point.....

@MakersMark Did I say all legacy titles? What's to stop a more modest, but carefully curated selection from across PlayStation's history? Lineups could change every sop often, or whatever. Like GamePass.

Bundle with PS Now.....it's the only way I'll be back or I won't be when my sub runs out.......

@RBMango Agreeed!!!!