Days Gone director Jeff Ross has said he wanted to make an open world Resistance game after developer Sony Bend couldn't get its pitch for a sequel to its 2019 title off the ground. Speaking in an interview with the controversial David Jaffe, Ross explains how Sony asked if there were any other IPs the studio would like to explore. Syphon Filter was suggested by Sony, but Ross said he actually would have liked to produce a new entry in the PlayStation 3 series Resistance and make it open world.
Jeff Ross said: "The pitch I was making was [an] open world Resistance [and] would be f*cking rad. We have all these open world loops that we figured out and it almost wrote itself with Resistance. There were so many aspects of that property that kind of lent itself to open world gameplay." However, Ross says Sony didn't seem interested in the pitch.
The Syphon Filter IP is one that was suggested to Sony Bend, but Ross says he wouldn't know what to do with a reboot of the predominantly PS1 series. "I have zero ideas on how to reboot Syphon Filter. I was not interested in that at all."
The director was also asked about Days Gone 2's failed pitch, to which he answered it was essentially dead on arrival. "It did get reviewed on a level right above the studio, but I don’t think it went any further than that. The reviews were through the lens of 'the first one was a trainwreck in so many ways and didn’t sell awesome' and 'let's just keep these guys busy'."
He goes on to explain how it became immediately clear Sony wasn't interested in a Days Gone 2 pitch. "It was clear that it was a non-starter and there was nothing in the pitch that made the local manager and his boss feel good about it. That’s probably a failure of the creative group. It was just an uphill battle."
The comments come after Ross tweeted out how he believes Days Gone had sold eight million copies — the same as Ghost of Tsushima, which Sony celebrated during its CES 2022 conference. "At the time I left Sony, Days Gone had been out for a year and a half (and a month), and sold over 8 million copies. It's since gone on to sell more, and then a million plus on Steam. Local studio management always made us feel like it was a big disappointment," he said.
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Now this makes me angry. WTF Sony?!
I'm surprised he wasn't feeling Syphon Filter, though. I feel like that's a really easy franchise to reboot: a high-tech stealth game a la Hitman seems really compelling to me.
Obviously stuff like IO Interactive's James Bond and the new Syphon Filter are in development now, so there's maybe not the gap there once was for this. But in 2019 when these ideas were being thrown around, surely that would have been a no-brainer?
Resistance and syphon filter. 2 of my favorite video games franchises ever.resistance is my favorite fps ever.and syphon filter is my favorite ps1 games ever and overall my top 5 favorite franchises ever just as resistance.would love both games.word up son
Used to love Resistance it was a solid fun shooter. I must admit though they made me feel more sick playing them than any other FPS ever has 🤣
I hate having to say this but the original trilogy would need to be revamped and the franchise built on again if they wanted to bring it back.
The first one in particular hasn't aged well.
This could have been awesome if executed right. Just look at what going a little more open did for Halo Infinite or Metro Exodus. Both of those games are great! That's too bad I loved Resistance back in the day.
Sony needs its own AAA exclusive FPS, resistance open world could have been it, dam shame.
I miss the resistance and Kill Zone days on the FPS front from Sony and would love a big budget AAA FPS from a Sony studio, with a massive single player campaign.
Ooooooft, that is mad. Tbh I'd still prefer a linear resistance game, but open world is better than no resistance.
Also, Days Gone was a trainwreck?!?! Like, I know it didn't get 10/10s etc, but that is reasonably well liked game, at least from the audience. What are they smoking over there? Is it just God of War-like reception, or it's terrible? Seems very black and white mentality
@DrClayman Sony seems to put a huge emphasis on critical reception, and while Days Gone is clearly very well-liked, it just didn't hit like some of its other franchises have.
A shame. Definitely no train-wreck, though, far from it!
Too bad they released DG in such poor shape, hence the poor reviews. Cause what the game BECAME certainly deserves a sequel.
@DrClayman They're also trying to reach audiences beyond gaming, and they already have a zombie blockbuster. Alas, they just didn't need Days Gone.
Shame, Days Gone had some interesting characters and ideas. I really liked the relationships between Deacon and the cast, specially Sarah.
Also, Resistance really needs to come back, they left so many unanswered questions from the second game that they just skipped over in the 3rd game.
I really hope something comes of that rumour about PS1-3 games coming to PS5 and it's handled well (unlike N64 games on Switch). Too many of Sony's franchises are MIA because PS4 started from scratch.
This is crazy, I just finished Days Gone this year and it was GOTY for me lol, top 5 all time and they are saying no? c'mon.
Arrived a bit late to the Resistance party because I never used to like First Person games (until Far Cry 3 converted me). Absolutely loved them all - the third Resistance game being my favourite.
I still can’t believe how much hate Days Gone gets/got. Most games come with a day one patch these days but you’d think Days Gone was the only game that ever did. Why the double standard?
And it under sold? Really? 10 Million copies for a new (and quite niche) IP... they need to give their heads a wobble.
I wonder how much money was spent and if they recouped their budget.
An open world Syphon Filter would be amazing - and I bet that is what Sony wanted them to do. It would make sense: franchise with a positive history dating back to the PS1, all that learning from Days Gone about open world systems - and there is a huge gap in the market for a game like that. Think maybe MGS5 being the only one in recent memory? Splinter Cell is returning soon and who knows what happens next with MGS...There was a real gap there Sony Bend could have exploited.
Days gone had lots of problems before getting patches.
Hope they learn not to send out review codes before everything is done.
Day one patches needs to disappear, if needed it should only be small updates not big ones.
@Dezzy70
Seeing how Sony is pushing for AAA games that can be played flat and in VR, I feel we’ll see more FPS games from them this generation!
I think the Trainwreck part is also a reference to the development, not just the final product.
These guys also just seem like hard to work with in general, and I believe this is the guy who left Bend Studio with “personality differences” cited, which normally means that no one likes you.
While Days Gone was not terrible, how much of that came down to the strong support networks in place within Playstation Studio which normally gets the best out of developers.
When your last game had a troubled 6 year development, failed to be well received, and your studio has a reputation for being difficult you should probably just take the pitch Sony give you. Make the best Siphon Filter game you can, no complaints.
What a total mungbean...
Sony really dropped the ball with Bend.
Really f***** up
These guys and David Jaffe in a room is everything wrong with the gaming industry. Anybody that uses the term ‘f***ing rad’ to describe their own idea needs to get in the sea.
"i have zero ideas on how to reboot Syphon Filter. I was not interested in that at all"
The audacity of this man. Syphon filter is more beloved than your "by the numbers" shooter.
@get2sammyb "Obviously stuff like IO Interactive's James Bond and the new Syphon Filter are in development now, so there's maybe not the gap there once was for this"
That's a typo right, not a massively preemptive leak.?
Um no this is what Jeff said, it was bend studio itself that reject those ideas, Is it so difficult to research a little bit?
Jeff Ross and John Garvin are on Jaffe's stream. Jeff clarified his tweet a little. The way he seems to explain it, is that local management in Bend didn't want Days Gone 2. Apparently Bend management didn't even push the pitch to the higher levels of WWS to people like Hulst. Garvin and Ross also confirmed that Naughty Dog North support studio stuff from the Schreier article was over-exaggerated and wasn't that close to the truth. Apparently Bend sent team members to Sucker Punch to help on Ghost, and to Naughty Dog to help on projects. They said that this was standard practice in the industry. When a team is done with a project and doesn't have a lot of work on their hands, they get sent to other parts of the company to help. Ross and Garvin seem positive on Sony overall, especially when it came to creative freedom. Ross's main issue seems to be with management at Bend not pushing Days Gone. Just thought it's been pretty good context to the topic.
I just wish Days Gone was getting a sequel. I thought it was a fantastic game. Also it would be cool to see Syphon Filter make a return eventually.
@get2sammyb That makes sense, but to be fair, even though there might be a good template for it, it’s fair that he might not feel he’s a good fit for it.
‘The Syphon Filter IP is one that was suggested to Sony Bend, but Ross says he wouldn't know what to do with a reboot of the predominantly PS1 series. "I have zero ideas on how to reboot Syphon Filter. I was not interested in that at all."’
Just WOW
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So let’s put it straight.
Sony asked Bend to reboot Syphon Filter and he said NO?
Jeez
They should make a new game and reboot the Killzone franchise. I became a fan of the orange eyes soldiers after they featured in Astro's Playroom as little evil robot soldiers. They are so "f*cking rad!"
@add286
Exactly my thought. I don’t get it.
@playstation1995 I like Syphon Filter a lot nire though. Dont get me wrong i loved Resistance but i would choose Syphon Filter over Resistance without a second thought. And how does he bit know how to reboot Syphon Filter a better looking game with new gameplay. The story was great fun and you cant make up a new conspiracy.🤣
@JJ2 Syphon Filter a better looking game with new gameplay. The story was great fun and you cant make up a new conspiracy. Serious why no new Syphon Filter its like Sony hates their fantastic library of games. 😢
Legend of Dragoon bring it back.
@Flaming_Kaiser
Syphon Filter was suggested by Sony,
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@JJ2 OMG really sorry i totally misread it. 😅
Thanks for correcting me fire this man right away. 🤪
@nessisonett lol agreed. that's a red flag for me.
@Flaming_Kaiser
I think Sammy s first comment is irony but people take it literally haha
Well that’s how I see it since I’d rather Syphon Filter (I’m a bit angry at Jeff)
@nookie_egg I'm gonna go ahead and guess Sammy meant Splinter Cell
@Voltan Me too It's like the Stayin Alive blunder the other day lol. I've just been clamouring for a remake.
I would really love to see an open world Resistance. I would prefer it being done by Insomniac Games though as they started it so they should be the ones that continues it. Bend Studio should have something new they can call their own and i thought of Days Gone was perfect enough to expand on
As much as I enjoyed Days Gone, I'm sure they would have made a really good Resistance game, I just feel Insomniac Games would do an even better job with it.
For multiplayer I'd want it to be more like Fall of Man. It was my go-to shooter back then and I loved the hell out of it. I didn't like the multiplayer on Resistance 2 as much so Killzone was my go-to.
@Flaming_Kaiser. Definitely i agree.both great games.syphon filter will definitely be my first choice for a revival.word up son
These guys and David Jaffe in a room is everything great about the gaming industry. Real talk, entertaining, and zero ***** given.
enough with the open-worlds already . it’s a meme and super stale at this point and has been for years now .
@WCB agreed 100% . making games for fun and not professionalism or seriousness to appeal to real life social issues and conforming under pressure .
@JJ2 Jeff
Really why not.
And David Jaffe why didnt you Twisted Metal World Tour with updated graphics and updated controls.
You dont have to chance anything else put in some extra characters if you want to change something with new endings for them...
I miss Resistance so much! One of my favorite PlayStation franchises it’s a shame they don’t see it as a viable series to bring back. And sadly it appears Days Gone will suffer the same fate. Heck, I would be fine if they would release a remastered collection for PS5. I might have to search for a used PlayStation 3 after this disappointing news lol.
Another zombie/shooter set in the US ? No thanks
I wish they were doing a Resistance game. I would want that, and a new Kill Zone game for this generation. I feel people don't give Killzone the respect it deserved as a FPS Franchise, great mechanics and the online to me was second to none in its heyday (2&3).
@Flaming_Kaiser
You know what?
I’d like Sony Bend to come out and tease the game they are working and have fully focusing on.
I’m still hoping it’s Syphon Filter because Sony was in favour of it.
Fed up with this crap drama frenzy back and forth from press, so called leakers or disgruntled ex employees.
And no I never wanted a Days Gone 2 cross gen more of the same with bits of what they couldn’t ship in the first game with a multiplayer twist to spice it up.
@TeapotBuddha. Whats going on playa.hows everything.yeah syphon filter is my favorite ps1 games ever.i would love one on ps4 and ps5.word up son
@JJ2 I have so many great memories of the first three games on PS1. The taser made me quite the sadist.
@PhhhCough Syphon Filter like the PS1 better looking with some free and some free inspiration from some newer games like Metal Gear Solid and Splintercell. And how is it possible you cant think of a new story or gameplay for a game like this.
Resistance games never captured me. Always considered Killzone to be more state of the art on PlayStation (neither were the hoped for halo killers though).
Now Syphon filter would be amazing, though my entry point were the two PSP games which are amazing.
@get2sammyb
Rebooting a franchise in your head is much harder than conceptualizing a story, designing gameplay and a million other factors to get a project off the ground. In todays age I just don't see Syphon Filter competing with all the other stealth or espionage type games that have released since the series left off.
David Jaffe acts like one of those annoying 12-year-olds during a match of Fortnite.
when are we gonna get a dev that wants to make a freakin TERMINATOR pvp game?! i've been wanting this for over a decade! human resistance VS terminators.. with vehicles and your usual game modes.. capture the flag (or time displacement equipment [TDE] in the case of the terminator lore), domination, team DM, etc etc. i'd love to run around as a terminator endoskeleton!
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