Update #2: Xbox bigwig Phil Spencer has made the following statement to Bloomberg: “I’ll just say to players out there who are playing Activision Blizzard games on Sony’s platform: it’s not our intent to pull communities away from that platform and we remained committed to that.” Make of that what you will.
Update #1: Bloomberg reports that Microsoft “plans to keep making some of Activision’s games for PlayStation consoles but will also keep some content exclusive to Xbox”. Clearly it’s a complicated situation, but this likely means that service games, like Call of Duty: Warzone, will be safe for the time being. Others, beyond this year’s Call of Duty for example, may very well be off the table.
Original Story: Here we go again, then, it’s time to restart the same song-and-dance we played for many months prior to Microsoft’s acquisition of Bethesda closing. Will franchises like Call of Duty continue to release on the PlayStation 5 and PS4? At the time of writing, there’s no official confirmation either way, and we’d expect the language to remain wishy-washy until the deal closes.
Here’s what Microsoft is saying at this point in time: “Upon close, we will offer as many Activision Blizzard games as we can within Xbox Game Pass and PC Game Pass, both new titles and games from Activision Blizzard’s incredible catalogue.” As expected, but nothing about exclusivity. The company does mention that the publisher will continue to operate independently for the time being, and the publisher made the following statement: “Activision Blizzard games are enjoyed on a variety of platforms and we plan to continue to support those communities moving forward.”
That means there’ll likely be no change to Activision Blizzard’s output in the short-term: presumably this year’s Call of Duty, as well as any upcoming games, will still release on the PlayStation 5 and PS4. Contracts will have to be honoured, so it’s possible PlayStation may even end up the primary marketing partner yet again on Call of Duty, which is likely to be Modern Warfare 2. Awkward.
Fast-forward a few years, though, and it’s safe to expect all future Activision Blizzard titles will be exclusive to Xbox Series X|S and PC, as is the case with Bethesda games, like Starfield. It’s entirely possible it’ll pledge continued support to releases like Call of Duty: Warzone, as it’s done with The Elder Scrolls Online and Fallout 76, but we’ll need to wait for the dust to settle for confirmation.
We’ve contacted Sony for comment and will update if and when we hear word back. Presumably there are a few frantic Zoom meetings taking place right now!
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Once this deal closes in 2023, it's over. No more Acti-Blizz on PlayStation. There is no way any new releases will ever go to a Sony console ever again. That defeats the whole point of this deal.
Cough Bring back Killzone cough
I mentioned this in the other thread as well, but I think that only happens if Sony allows Game Pass on PlayStation. And I bet that's what Microsoft's play is here (not just with Sony, Nintendo as well probably).
Not unless Sony allows Game Pass on the platform.
After this years COD, it will be Xbox and PC only.
Don’t expect anymore on PS
@DrClayman @Ralizah It's possible (and clearly Microsoft want it) but I think it kills Sony's business model.
What's the point in investing billions into releasing and marketing hardware if you can't sell any games on it because everyone subscribes to a competitor's subscription?
Yes!!! Do your research. On more then one occasion Micro$oft aka microshaft has hinted at transitioning Xbox to service based. It’s good news for many as their games will likely make it to gamepass. No worries about Sony or the PlayStation brand until their first party IP comes to gamepass. Long live King Sony and the global PlayStation empire!!!
Will I still get to play:
>God of War
>HFW
>The Witcher (next-gen version)
>Suicide Squad
>Spiderman 2
... In 2022/23? Yeah? Cool, moving on then.
It will be like ps3 era I think, with most western games exclusive to xbox, the different now is sony porting their exclusive to pc rather than hoarding them to use against xbox like in ps3 era.
I think sony will be in trouble (especially in western market) if microsoft buy rockstar and get gta games exclusive to their platform.
I think existing contracts will be honoured so hopefully that means overwatch 2 for me, the rest of their library doesn't interest me in the slightest especially as most are pc/mobile games.
@get2sammyb It's more like, what else can they do? If it's either they allow it on, get a cut off game pass on their platform, and allowed to sell the games piecemeal for those not wanting game pass, or the alternative of not having any of these games on their platform at all? Not an easy place to be, but at least the first option they get a small piece of a big pie?
@DrClayman thats a really good point to be fair. They just want gamepass everywhere. Will be interesting to see where were at for the next gen.
@get2sammyb But at the same time a lot of people can see that GP is not sustainable and what games are they actually putting on there? They can buy all the big publishers they want but at the same time you hear criticism after criticism on the way titles like CoD are headed. I used to hear the same about Elder Scrolls.
Yes this hurts Sony but if they continue to invest and bring out actual good games and experiences, they can make it through this. Let people continue to pay GP subs for sub par games if they want, but the Devs will break no new ground under that model as MS will just bail then out.
Welcome to the new Cold War.
I'm glad I didn't buy any of these new systems or trade anything older in.
I want to own my games not rent them from a corporate overlord via subscription.
If we don't like what's going on, we need to stop buying any of these new systems.
These buyouts are being used to herds us like cattle, who won't own anything.
Gotta invest time, effort, and money on FPS games. And the reality is, Sony can make better FPS games than Acti and EA combined, they just don't want to. If they can make epic campaigns for Killzone and Resistance along with fun online, they should be fine.
Between this and the Bethesda acquisitions, the one game I really want to come to PS5 is Indiana Jones and the only hope I have on that is that it was announced before the deal was completed.
Outside of that incredibly slim chance, I also have to ask... why would a company spend billions to put the games on a competitor's platform? The answer is simple... they wouldn't.
Oh don't do this again.
No, they will not.
@get2sammyb
Think it is the only way for Sony now. It could be that if you had the XBOX version of Gamepass you get the games a bit earlier, or that the subscription fee is less.
I'd still remain a Sony man if I was paying £10/month for access to all their first party games and another £10/month for the theoretical delayed Microsoft game pass.
F*** Phil Spencer. Hypocrite.
Added a poll to the article.
I wonder could this sort of play start the end of exclusivity. Like MS allow call of duty and Sony allow some PlayStation exclusives? Like a trade off?
I am no fanboy of any big company whatsoever, but I have to say what have Microsoft really achieved in 20 odd years in the videogame world? Decent success with the 360 ( which I owned ) and a handfull of franchises and that's pretty much it from what I see. It seems just a classic case of trying to buy up everything for success, which I actually feel won't work as for eg surely soon enough folk will start to get bored with CoD.
@Boucho11 No. MS just paid 68B for CoD exclusivity.
I expect things like Warzone that already exist to stay multi-platform.
But new COD not likely that will be Xbox exclusive.
@Texan_Survivor sure why not?
This sort of thing is why I've always felt like Nintendo's protectionist approach of relying heavily on first-party exclusives (real exclusives, where you have to buy their platform to play the game) was a smart strategy in the long term.
@get2sammyb It'll be interesting to see. Most hardware sales always end up coming from casual consumers who are buying to play a handful of ultra-mainstream releases, and CoD is one of the biggest of those. If Sony is losing tens of millions of unit sales because Microsoft snapped up two of the biggest names in the Western games industry, it might be worth it to them to allow Game Pass some level of access to their platform.
Theoretically. I agree that probably won't happen.
@Texan_Survivor I'm really not a fan of all these acquisitions between MS, Tencent, Embracer and others. What Sony's doing feels both more natural and like a reaction to this - I just hope they'll still do more than fine.
@Nem Billion
“Activision Blizzard games are enjoyed on a variety of platforms and we plan to continue to support those communities moving forward.”
For context they said almost the exact same thing about Bethesda properties shortly before announcing those properties would be Xbox/PC exclusive.
I have both consoles, I probably play more XSX than anything. But this leaves an incredibly sour taste in my mouth, and I can't help but worry about what it will mean for the industry.
Diablo 4 is one of my most hyped for games. I'm crushed.
@Uncharted2007 Somehow minecraft is still on Playstation though.
Other than COD, I really don't play much Activision stuff, but this still is not good.
MS better keep their hands off Square Enix, Capcom, Warner Bros., etc.
The irony is that Microsoft now own Crash Bandicoot
Sony surely have to make a comment - id expect them to accelarate their next showcase at the very least to get the narrative focussed on Playstation again.
Also gives credence to fact that Sony need its own first person shooter franchise, whether it be revitalising Killzone or Resistence- or developing something new through its partner studios. But it needs something
Funny a lot of people see this like Microsoft getting exclusives…. I see it more like Microsoft doing a power move against Sony to allow Microsoft to put GamePass on PlayStation.
Sony can either go acquiring big studios / franchise or simply pay close to nothing and allow gamepass on PlayStation…
@rjc-32 and Spyro which was insomniac's creation for PS1
Sony will just buy Fortnite, its all good 🤣
@Rob_230 I hope they have the foresight to redevelop old titles and create new ones. They need the now more than ever.
This puts some things into perspective, like Sony's newfound push to get their games on PC. It might be that they see the writing on the wall, they don't have the resources to get into a buy-out war with Microsoft. It might be that they become software only in the games industry, eventually.
If that happens we'll have a Microsoft with a stranglehold on the games industry, able to implement whatever rules they like. Remember "always online" consoles? Oh they're definitely going to push for that again, among other more restrictive things. Maybe they'll make all games digital only, cut out the pesky used games market like they wanted since the start of the last gen. Phil Spencer isn't our friend and with every acquisition it becomes easier to see the suit. Fanboys might be cheering but trust me, a Microsoft unopposed is not good for anyone.
@RunGMhx aquiring big studio = potential profit. Allowing gamepass = paying microsoft with little to no prospect of profit.
Both have their risks and it will be interesting to see which direction Sony goes. I cant see them allowing Game Pass yet - but who knows what the future may bring. Sony wont be able to hold out forever
I can imagine that everything that Activision turns out will be exclusive to xbox / GP. This move isn't about money being made now, it's about money to be made in the future. If they cut everyone else out now and the only place to go to get these games is MS then that really cements where people will go for their gaming. That then reduces the money available to other players in the market and they slowly wither away.
Surely it will be exclusive in the future. ***** that...
R.I.P Sony
@ATaco this is clearly the direction we are heading in. And with no competition games will become service based products designed to maximise profit - they will be bare bones and lack any of the quality we have come to expect. Just look at Halo infinite and all of its microtransactions. Its a chilling future that i dont want to be part of.
No, of course not. Why would it?
MS have agreed a price just shy of $70bn for one company. I sincerely doubt they care about losing PS customers.
They're trying to create a monopoly and it won't end here. Ubisoft or EA will be next.
Sony can't do anything other than going out in style before they become another SEGA.
Oh and in answer to the question, no. COD wont come to Playstation once this deal goes through
I've had a thought about Project Spartacus since this broke this morning. What if it's not a game pass competitor and is actually just Game Pass for PS? When MS bought Bethesda, sure it was a big deal, but I think PS could survive that. This is on a whole other level though.
COD, love it or hate it, brought in lots of money for Sony. Like a huge amount! I can't see them trying to survive without it. This one hits much harder to the point I'm sure Jim Ryan and the board have called some emergency meetings on this thing.
It's a scary situation for the industry because this changes literally everything.
This is one the the craziest newsI've heard on a long time. What's next? Microsoft buys playstation? Sony? Microsoft buys EA? nothings surprises me anymore
@Nem but how much would they lose by cutting out PlayStation forever?
@Flaming_Kaiser It was before that acquisition. They simply let it continue to be.
What a huge pile of money.
I’d be annoyed if Sony wasted so much in those instead of making great games.
"Any instance of anyone forgetting the concept of irony will not be tolerated in this comment section. We're here to discuss the games and the games alone."
@Jacko11
Phil good Spencer exclusive is (not) counter to what gaming is about , zero energy in console war and Activision is beautiful now.
What a 🐍 haha
CoD alone makes a ton of money every year. Hoarding it all onto Xbox as a console exclusive is a gold mine. I just don't see Microsoft willing to let that profit anywhere near Sony's hands.
Also, on a side note, I can't stand Phil Spencer when he talks. He can say one thing, then do a flip three months later.
@Texan_Survivor
now u got me very worried, im a huge souls fan. Sekiro is my all time fav game, got the platium in 2 days. did all the dlc gaunlets unlocked all the in game rewards/skins.. everynight i go to bed, i beg i pray to the high gods for a sekiro 2. well thats not gonna happen now on playstation, activion published the game, if theres a sequal it will be on xbox only, im beyond devastated
@get2sammyb I think its a matter of time before Game Pass is on PS and Sony have their service on Xbox too. They want you in their ecosystem and instead of 'Games' being used to sell the hardware, the 'quality' and options will sell the hardware.
For example, if you want to play Starfield, you could on PS5 through Streaming via Game Pass. That would limit the visual quality (a compressed 1080p) on PS5 and can't 'buy' or download the game to play. On Series S/X, you can download and play, and get a 'higher' visual quality. Its the same with say Forbidden West - on Xbox, that could be just 'streamed' at 1080/60 but PS5 can download and get the full 4k visuals.
Therefore, if you want to play Xbox games, you could on PS and vice versa, but to get the 'best' console version, you'd still need to own the 'first party' box.
If this does end up happening, I'd still buy 'both' because I'd want the 'best' experience. I'd rather play Forbidden West at 4k on a PS5 with Haptic feedback etc than play at 1080p with compression artefacts on an Xbox - but there will be some who would subscribe to play on their platform so for Sony/MS, its potential income and greater reach for their devs...
I think they will allow some multiplayer to be free on PS just so that they can make easy money with stuff like battlepass. Basically more Warzone kind of multiplayer.
But the main game, campaign and normal multiplayer would be exclusive to Xbox. Hardcore CoD fans will buy an Xbox, even if they strongly hate the platform and will use it to get the next CoD.
It certainly feels like a big push to get GamePass onto PS to allow the games to remain on PS.
@PenguinL
No I hope it goes through. Imagine what they could do with $70 b and buy actual great studios? (For console gaming)
@pimpjuice no need to worry - Sekiro is owned by 'FromSoftware' and NOT Activision so MS won't be getting that IP as part of this. They are getting CoD, Crash, Spyro, Tony Hawkes etc but not Sekiro...
Also not getting FromSoftware - just Infinity Ward, Treyarch, Raven, Sledgehammer etc...
Wow this is potentially bad news..most posters on here shouldnt really be getting too upset because the majority of you dont like activision/blizzard anyway over their frat boy working enviroment and mistreatment of employees etc so its not as if you were going to support them anyway...uhmm the irony..
Don't do this to yourselves again. It's not going to happen.
I mean. I honestly couldn't care, haven't enjoyed a call of duty in a long time. But I do see the massive issue, lots of kids want to play call of duty, no COD, means less units sold, less subscriptions as they will be over on the Xbox. Soon enough it will be one massive saturated market.
Yeah…. this one’s one hell of a step too far. Who knows what the future holds but it can’t be good.
I'm curious how Sony will respond to this. I could care less myself about Call of Duty, but this doesn't bode well for the PlayStation brand. At this point Microsoft should just buy off Nintendo and Sony and have a monopoly on the gaming industry.
I can see it being like Bethesda. The multiplayer only will still come to Playstation, but anything that has a single player campaign... probably not.
I choose :
4. Yes, after a period of exclusivity of at least 1 year on Xbox and/or PC.
@MKD88
They can’t. Japanese purchasing law is nationalistic in nature. It would be nearly impossible to get it approved, even if Nintendo and Sony agreed (which they wouldn’t).
They could buy large shares, like Ford did with Mazda back in the 1980s.
@BAMozzy that just sounds awful.
In all honesty I hate this future, it's just going to produce filler and easily disposable crap.
Majority of stuff on subscription services is rubbish, it's all about something to watch/play rather than focusing on actual quality.
Gamers need to wake up.
@GamerDad66 ummm, no. Just no. Just because the games are on a service, doesnt mean you can't/aren't allowed to buy them. They're still sold digitally and physically. Except for sony and psnow. Can't play mgs 4 unless I want to stream it, from a rental service or pay upwards of $200+ to get a ps3 and the game.
I wouldn't count on it. Microsoft assured us nothing would change when they purchased Bethesda we'd still see games but a year later and we know we're not getting anything from them after Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo which were exclusive deals made before the purchase. So I'm not expecting the same to happen with Activision.
It's a very good time to be a PC gamer tbf.
I can only hope COD goes exclusive.
@Texan_Survivor FromSoftware is already owned by Kadokawa Corporation but Sony has a stake in Kadokawa. I'm sure if they could have they would have bought FromSoftware by now, they seem to have a very good relationship.
It’s interesting, I genuinely don’t know but don’t think for a second Microsoft won’t make Call of Duty exclusive. They have the money to absorb the loss of sales on PlayStation, they will see it as an opportunity to grow gamepass which is one of their priorities. I for one think this deal is a good idea, makes games more affordable and accessible to those that can’t afford £60 -£70 a game.
What Sony do from here will be interesting. Although Sony exclusives are such amazing quality, they are starting to look very expensive..
This is such a win for PlayStation in my opinion. That publisher has been trash for some time, and it's interesting that Microsoft chose the purchase even though they are under public scrutiny for being a disgusting employer. Especially since Spencer went on record denouncing them and that practice, yet two months laters is like "but..... we like money and we are buying them anyways...." LOL. Now if we can just get a takedown of Ubisoft, EA, and rockstar (take two), It would make PlayStation on the way to becoming a console for gamers again.
Of course, that would also require Sony to do a complete 180 on this new rerelease cash grab nonsense that they have/allow naughty dog and others to keep doing.
But hey it's a start
@AlexSora89 yeah, some folks' vocal disdain for so-called "portbeggars" on otherwise platforms has proven to be quite a boomerang.😅 PlayStation fans were confident that superior raw specs secured them pretty much everything third party under the sun; Microsoft is now asserting that the number of zeroes in a corporate wallet can be a raw spec as well.
@Nem
Correction. $68 BILLION! That number is mind-boggling. How are they ever going to recover that much money from Activision-Blizzard??
Hahahaha oh dear talk about knee jerk reaction drama....
COD will be in PS, but I'd expect it to be day and date on Game Pass too...
Nintendo don't seem to like COD these days?
@PhantomMenace84 Yeah, this definitely negatively impacts Sony. It is disgusting and monopolizing. The only thing Sony can do is buy all the major Japanese gaming companies to secure itself. Otherwise, everything would be MS published except small publishers/devs.
@S1ayeR74
We thought the same about Starfield and Elder Scrolls 6 but both of those ended up exclusive. I think only Warzone will be on PS just like Elder Scrolls Online.
@The_Moose haha I think the market and grown ups will trust Microsoft and its team to know what is and isn't sustainable lol.
@Gloamin I don't agree. This deal is all about having a better line up of games for the Xbox ecosystem. Nobody will pay for Game Pass, buy games or buy an Xbox if the quality isn't there.
@OneWingedAngel Starfield was never once ever announced for PlayStation, that was entirely a fantasy made up by Sony fans. COD is an established global phenomena in gaming. Look at its sales numbers to see that, I think it'll still be on PS at a price.
The problem Sony is going to have to face at some point is that they're getting devoured on price and value in the market. And while their games are highly regarded critically, they don't sell that well, but they spend fortunes and years making them, while having few studios putting out relatively few games compared to what these uberpublishers are going to be doing now.
Japanese publishers get around this by spending far less on their games and using much smaller teams. That's how Sega, Square, Namco etc can make the large epics they make, sell to niche markets, and still make profits. That huge "AA" space is how Japanese studios thrive, and, really, how Sony used to thrive until the mid-PS4 era.
They have angles as a platform, but what they really need to focus on is why playing on playstation's environment is desirable, or adds value. Right now it looks like the future narrative is going to be MS has the lowest prices, the best value, the most full featured services, the most exclusive content, and the keys to all the biggest names in gaming. Sony needs more than "we have one really expensive blockbuster game once or twice a year that sells like 8-15 million copies." MS has CoD now. Epic has fortnite. Other than FIFA and GTA, the doors are closing on the casual mass market games, and the megablockbusters aren't really the profit engine fans like to believe. And timed exclusives aren't the answer. The effect of this buyout is a year away at least, but there's no question it will start a slide in Sony's sales, sharply if CoD goes exclusive, but even moderately if it doesn't. The CoD/Fortnite/Fifa market was the big market they've been chasing. It's one of the top 4 games played on PS5 in terms of hours. And all the MTX that goes with it. If that jumps ship to XB, that's a mammoth blow to PS5.
Nintendo looks even worse for the wear in contrast, but somehow they just have their own market and external factors just don't seem to affect them much for whatever reason.
Maybe with luck this can bring a halt to the "arrogant Sony" mode they've been in for the past 3-4 years and get them back in competitive mode.
@RunGMhx Even if they do that, though, it creates the problem that GP supported on PS increases the brand value of GP and XB, and makes Sony look less relevant. I think they may end up having to do that, but it's a hard call.
@OneWingedAngel 68b is chump change for a company like MS. Their 2021 revenue was 168b. +BlizzActi's revenu of 8b = 176B. That's not profits, true, that's just revenue. But buyouts like this are generally rolled through 10 years of earnings or so, like mortgaging a purchase.
Put another way, over 10 years, it's about 6.8b a year for the purchase. BlizzActi pulls in about 8b a year with about 5b of operating expenses. So they net about 3 a year. So just under half of the 6.8b a year for this sale pays for itself. Consolidate some resources and that can be improved. Once you remove the part that pays for itself it's more like 40-45b. Rolled through 10 years of a company pulling in 168b. 4.5b a year is like a cup of coffee a day for something that locks industry dominance.
BUT remember that 2b of that revenue is just from King (Candy Crush!) That means out of CoD, Diablo, Wow, Hearthstone, Crash, Spyro, Guitar Hero, everything.... 1/4 of all BilzzActi's revenues come from freaking mobile King. With little of the operating expenses. I'm not sure how that affects things be we now have two big publishers gobbling up mobile companies for obscene prices, more or less, within weeks.
@Rob_230 Halo Infinate is pretty good. The campaign was excellent. Just don't buy anything in the MP.
@NEStalgia I see your point but I think you might be overthinking it, I don’t see Netflix as decreasing the value of my PlayStation because it not made by them, on the contrary, not having access to Netflix on my PS5 would decrease my perceived value of the console…
@S1ayeR74 Games which are sold at £70 on initial launch available day one on GP for a subscription which can be bought for £1....yeah mate totally sustainable
@The_Moose Yeah mate it is... it's called a business model... it's why they are making a profit from it. And I crating understand it. But hey if you are more qualified to know better then the entire Microsoft executive team, management, analysts, marketing, then please do tell.
But over a year now and it's going from strength to strength. And Sony are heavily rumoured, even in articles in this very site, to be copying the same business model. But sure it's not sustainable.
Everyone struggling to get a PS5 should be able to get a used one soon if they do stop COD on PlayStation. I don't think they will stop them for the next few years as it is easy money but I think PlayStation will get castrated versions.
@S1ayeR74 Do you really think MS are making a profit on games which cost tens of millions to make by allowing access to gamers for £1? Long term GP will try and strangle the industry, no more ownership of games, less need to innovate and experiment, just safe sub par cookie cutter games.
If you don't believe me look at the current offering on GP. A few good games certainly, the rest are filler.
@NEStalgia
That amount may be small for MS as a whole but gaming companies do not make anywhere near that money annually or even in a decade. I don't know what kind of creative accounting you are using but Activision-Blizzard's net profit after paying all expenses for 2020 was $2.2 Billion only so it would take 30 years for Activision-Blizzard to pay for itself at that rate. That is what I am talking about. If you are going to put those games on Gamepass then the revenue will fall further as sales decline and it would take even longer to recover the $68 billion.
@The_Moose Yes they are, with 25 million subscribers: http://news.xbox.com/en-us/2022/01/18/welcoming-activision-blizzard-to-microsoft-gaming/ and growing, and that £1 you keep going in about is a special offer only for new customers and is for a limited time..
Game Pass is fantastic and no doubt when Sony launch their version of it, Sony fans will be praising it as the greatest thing in gaming.... because that's the hypocrisy they have. Microsoft aren't strangling anything.
As for safe games, just when was the last time Sony allowed it's studios to make a game that wasn't an over the shoulder third person story simulator?
@S1ayeR74
Even if you sell that subscription for $20 per month, it would still bring in only $500 million per month for 25 million subs. Then you need to pay for all the salaries, bills, and expenses out of that $500 million which would leave very little money to actually pay for AAA games development. That is what people mean when they say that Gamepass is unsustainable. The only reason it is running right now is that MS is using Office 365, Windows, and Azure money to support it. A business is sustainable only when it can stand on its own two feet without draining money from other divisions.
@The_Moose
Agreed. MS is not making money on Gamepass. They are only funneling money from other divisions to support it. The service would have collapsed long ago if it weren't for the Office, Windows, and Azure money.
@S1ayeR74
Microsoft is not the all-wise and all-knowing you imagine it to be. They have plenty of failed products and services despite all their Office and Windows money. Xbox itself would have been dead a long time ago if it weren't for the Office/Windows money. They are throwing all their money from other divisions behind Gamepass right now because they know once they have a monopoly or even a majority share in the industry, gamers will be at their mercy and they can recover all the money they have spent and more. I hope they fail hard just like they have plenty of times in the past.
@Ralizah Which is kinda silly, because all Nintendo does is prevent other platforms from enjoying their content (not saying I disagree), but it's been long touted that the ''best'' approach is to allow as many people to enjoy your games as possible. Though you never hear anyone asking for Mario on PC, so maybe it already works for them.
No! We don’t want this recurring article just like the Bethesda one.
IMO I don’t think it makes sense for Microsoft to get these studios and put the games on PlayStation as well. You want these studios for your game pass model so do it.
Hmm probably at first but after 2023 doubtful ; that if the deal goes through, as could be seen as anti-competition as with Microsoft owning two of the biggest companies/developers
Of course they will, just not day one! Microsoft wouldn’t cut out paying customers on PlayStation but feed them the game maybe 30/60/90 days after release on XBOX.
@Octane "Best" from a pure profit generating perspective, maybe. But Nintendo has engineered a situation where they're effectively immune to industry-rocking events like this. Microsoft could snap up every major Western developer and Nintendo would only be mildly inconvenienced.
Sony's fate, on the other hand, is deeply in question if Microsoft continues on this path.
Microsoft is not spending $70 billion just to make more money, they want to be #1, maybe even eventually the only console on the market. There won't be any more Activision games on PlayStation, not sure about Nintendo.
@S1ayeR74 MS wealth is much more to do with all their other products and services.
Sony may launch some form of GP but it will be more expensive than Xbox simply because they can't afford to subsidise it as much.
As for games, I don't know. Not sure what your point is since they are releasing more Triple A titles than Xbox in terms of exclusives and are being positively received. Also a story simulator is most games
@OneWingedAngel Spot on. I wonder if the GP adherents will wake up if MS take a bigger market share, enough to then crank up the GP sub to £50. But then some will probably say "but I can play the new CoD day one with absolutely zero changes in the last 5 titles".
Activision makes around 2-3 billion profit a year with nearly two thirds of that coming from PS players. To cut them off would be major bad for business and to even break even on this deal it would take them around 30 years. So do I think these games will still come to PS but with maybe a few extra DLC's bits staying with MS exclusive for those games? then yes.
@Ralizah I fear that Sony may feel forced to attempt to buy SE or Capcom or whatever, and then we're even worse off.
@RunGMhx True, though it's not a direct comparison. Netflix doesn't devalue PS because Sony doesn't make movies that compete with it. Well, they do, but they actually put their movies on Netflix and then host Netflix's app on their console (and got rid of their own movie store.) It's different with PS and GP, if Sony makes games that compete with GP's games, but then they host GP's apps, that don't include their games, they're hosting their competition directly, where the 3rd party streaming service is providing by subscription the same content they're selling in their store at full price. Though maybe their new streaming service will help with that.
Now if Sony games started going onto GP, and then they hosted a GP app, that would be a whole other thing. It would be weird, but then we already have MLB on GP, even though Sony was surely not involved in that, so I suppose it's not an entirely unrealistic possibility. And maybe cross-hosting GP on Playstation and whatever the "Project Sparticus" is on Xbox would be a fair trade and benefit all gamers as well as monetizing each other's ecosystems. (Isn't it just Project Spartan at that point? )
@OneWingedAngel I took an average for the operating expenses over 10 years, it fluctuates wildly from 2b to 5.5b, mostly based on what other acquisitions and expansions AB made that year, which would of course be 0 now, so I assume 2022 will have very low operating expenses with no acquisitions ongoing during a buyout. Plus consolidation of resources saving money, etc. The buyout itself certainly comes not just from gaming money, but the point is, it pays for about half of its own buyout, expand cap and brand value, and once paid off is still a revenue generator and enhances the brand. For MS, there's no loss or downside involved. 8bn in revenue, 5.5bn in expenses some years is extraordinary. Where did that money go? Buyouts was some of it. But otherwise there's fat to be trimmed. Especially when 2.1bn of that revenue is King with practically no expenses.
The TL;DR remains that the buyout pays for about half of itself over a 10 year rollover, and the other half can come from any of MS's revenue sources. They're not going to feel any "loss" from buying one of the biggest most profit rich gaming behemoths around, it's all positives for them.
I'm not a fan of the consolidation, personally, but there's no math that says it's not a profitable venture for MS at that price tag.
@stinkyx cough cough resistance fall of man cough cough
@Octane Sony buying S-E is my fear as well. I could see it. S-E has much more of a history with Sony than Microsoft, and they'll much sooner sell out to another Japanese company than an American one.
I think Capcom is probably safe, though. They do good business on all platforms, and have stated that PC is their target platform now.
MS statement reads "The acquisition also bolsters Microsoft’s Game Pass portfolio with plans to launch Activision Blizzard games into Game Pass..."
Gamepass = exclusivity. There will be no more CoD on PS. Thats it. Maybe Warzone and whatever currently existing deals will be honored, but thats likely it.
@Ralizah Sony should absolutely scoop up SE and Capcom if possible, at least if only for exclusivity deals. It will allow them to stay diverse and competitive. Besides, if they dont...MS might buy them next!
I don't buy from either company so no change here.
@Uncharted2007 The upcoming Indiana Jones game is unfortunately confirmed to be 100% exclusive to xbox and pc.
@KlatuBerataNicto I really don't think Microsoft is going to be scooping any major Japanese developer. That market wants nothing to do with Xbox, and S-E has been burned already by a previous exclusivity deal with MS.
I have no issue with Sony funding platform exclusives, like Nintendo is doing with Bayonetta and Astral Chain, but the industry is going to be poorer overall for every multiplatform developer that's snatched up by one of the big three.
So what will the NEW price be for Game Pass now???
I really don't think PS's GP equivalent would fly on Xbox. Their games aren't FPS or online and actually have stories and interesting characters (sometimes females who aren't all dressed like strippers). In shirt it would be a flop.
GP on PS? Who here would pay for it? I wouldn't, damned if that trash company would get a single penny from me. What says everyone else?
Also, can we stop with the idea that this move is designed to benefit the majority of gamers. Those games were going to Xbox and PC anyway. It's clearly designed to put Sony in their place and bring them to the table, kind of like a mob boss wiping out a rival's entire family. When you're down, you'll accept a helping hand up from anyone even your sworn enemy.
I still think it's 50/50 whether CoD continues on PS. MS has precedent of going both ways. When they bought Minecraft, a similarly titanic multiplat franchise, they kept going as things were. When they bought Bethesda and made these kinds of statements, they went all exclusive. And Phil's vague statement is intentionally vague until the deal goes through in a year, so it's nothing to go on unless he says directly and not in a PR way way "future games in the franchise will continue to release on PS."
Sony has a really awkward position now, though, They have few known scheduled releases so far, they have niche PSVR2 on the way siphoning resources and attention, they have a "new" subscription coming that certainly will look worse than MS's, two of their own big exclusives belong to MS, and now MS owns one of the top 3 games played on PS, and multiple other popular ones. That's a REALLY awkward position and they don't seem to be in a position to attempt to respond. Yeah, PS5 is selling great but, this is still serious trouble over time in need of a response. They can respond and turn the narrative around, but I really don't think Jim Ryan is the leader to do that.
@Ralizah There was that time that MS actually had a letter of intent from Square-Enix to sell to them, meaning it was very close to a done deal....it's not impossible. That's when Sony came in and bought a large stake, ending that. IDK that Sony really has the pockets to buy all of S-E wholesale like that. Another stake in the company maybe, but not just buying out the whole company. I'd rather none of that happen though. Not to mention the blow to Nintendo that a Sony-owned S-E would create.
@Col_McCafferty If you want to play R&C, Wolverine etc Day 1 - you have to buy a PS5. If you want to Xbox games, you can ANYWHERE Game Pass exists - PC, Mobile/Tablets and, as the only consoles that also support Game Pass, Series S/X
CoD Warzone will continue, maybe a f2p MP will come out but NEW games made by Treyarch, High Moon, Infinity Ward Raven etc etc that are not involved in the F2P online stuff, will only be available where Game Pass exists - not limited to 'one' platform!!!
CoD will go Free to Play Multiplayer to keep the PS5 Multiplayer fans happy - maybe integrated into Warzone.
NEW games by all those studios that have been swallowed up by delivering a NEW game every Year are now free to make whatever games they want - whether a 'new' IP or ANY game within the MS portfolio of growing IP's. That may well be a First Person Shooter story that has the CoD branding but as far as PS5 is concerned, MP and Warzone will still have a CoD Presence.
However if you want to play the next 'Crash, Spyro, CoD SP etc is concerned, then you'll need a device where Game Pass exists.
@The_Moose Why would they just stay at 25 Million subs for Game Pass after acquiring one of the biggest gaming companies in the World? Surely they would keep growing the sub count after a few years, no? 30, 35, 40 Million subs, etc.? $600M, $700M, $800M/Month = $7.2B, $8.4B, $9.6B/Yr in revenue.... Yes you need to pay for all the salaries, bills, and expenses, however, considering it takes usually ~2 years to develop AAA games...... $7B+ a year is MORE than enough to pay for all of that AND pay for some great AAA game development lol.
@The_Moose So your still trying to downplay the money Xbox generate. And you know what I mean by over the shimmer story simulators, It's a lack of variations that other platforms enjoy.
@KlatuBerataNicto Do you have a link?
@OneWingedAngel So are you claiming now that Xbox doesn't generate a profit then?
@S1ayeR74 I doubt I could downplay the amount of money Xbox make enough as their business model relies on massive cash injections and subsidies from other divisions of the owner. In fact they make that little money and the products that lackluster they need to buy out the competition.
I know what you mean by over the shoulder games but it's selling, which is more than can be said for Xbox exclusives at the moment.
@jres01 I never said that GP wouldn't grow. With this acquisition I'm sure it will grow. It's not possible for them to make a profit on Activision products for years under their current GP model though, even if you doubled the subscription base. They're going to charge a lot more if they want this to become profitable. The MS board may be happy to shell out for now but they're eventually going to want to see a return on all that money they've been throwing around. They're not going to get that at the current price of GP whilst offering Day One access to multi million dollar titles.
@S1ayeR74
Xbox 1 lost MS anywhere from $5-7 billion. Any other company would have gone bankrupt right there with that kind of loss. It was only due to Office/Windows that MS continued to march on and released 360. Even that console lost over $1 billion due to RRoD repair costs. Any other company would have gone bankrupt here too if they had to allot over $1 Billion for just warranty claims. Xbox One profitability is not clear because Microsoft began hiding sales and profit numbers. They just merged it all together with mobile gaming, hardware etc. so you can never find out if they made money on Xbox One. Still the only reason XBox is still here is because of Office and Windows money.
@OneWingedAngel You quite clearly have little understanding how big business works. Your attempts to single MS out as special in some way is hilarious. Most companies would not have gone bankrupt, that's pure drama on your part, most would have done exactly the same as Microsoft did.
It's inevitable that there will be exclusives, but Microsoft is already putting games on multiple systems already and plans to do so with quite a few of their upcoming games. As for this acquisition specifically, I think we can expect to see Overwatch and Call of Duty as multi platform releases the same way we see Minecraft on multiple systems. If anything, this will mean Overwatch and Call of Duty will be on even more platforms, not less. I'm thinking more support for Nintendo systems after this.
As for the rest of the IP, the likelyhood we'll see new entry's in other IP on other consoles is very low. Yes, Diablo does also have a history on Playstation and Nintendo systems, but I just don't see them bringing Diablo 4 to Playstation anymore, the same way Hellblade 2, Elder Scrolls 6, Wasteland 3, Outer Worlds 2, and other games are only on Xbox and PC.
On a side note, I think we may finally see World of Warcraft come to console. XSX is already setup for M&K support and there's mods in WoW floating around for controller support. If it does in fact go to console, I imagine it'll be Xbox exclusive. Not that this is in any way a good thing for Playstation, but for Playstation fans, there's already FFXIV. This would help WoW as it's been losing a lot of players and give Microsoft something big to compete with Sony on the MMO front.
Looking back at the bethesda buyout, i think microsoft being so vague about exclusivity was so they could drip feed it out to keep in the headlines.
Should probably just accept that all the important games are going to be exclusive and move on this time.
@S1ayeR74 While they haven't announced what profit gamepass is currently making, think it's reasonably safe to assume that its currently operating at a very hefty loss at the moment. Which isn't the end of the world of course, if they have the estimates that foresee it going profitable one day.
Personally, I find it difficult to believe that gamepass alone can sustain so many big companies.
@DrClayman Sony is already planning to release their own game pass that's not going to happen.
@Boucho11 Acceptable losses for them. They are looking at the long term where they own the market and get all the money. In theory, that is. Hopefully it doesn't go as they plan.
The best way to do that is to not sub to gamepass. It's a bait and switch scheme. Once they got about 80M people locked in they will start raising the price and no one will have an alternative. That is the plan.
MS sucks, can't trust their word at all. I don't play many Activision games, but losing Crash and Spyro is a gut punch...This is not the end of PlayStation as some state, not by far - but it will be very interesting to see how Sony counters this move, if at all. Team Sony all the way.
The harsh reality is that it's over as far as future CoD games are concerned. Warzone will still be available for the foreseeable future though. Personally this won't affect me since I'm mostly a PC gamer now, but at this stage Sony will have to make a big purchase of their own just to survive.
To quote the Gerries: "NEIN!"
@KlatuBerataNicto Yessss, more Resistance. Wasn't a fan of the 1940's setting (too old-timey for me), but I love the creature design and weapons. They should make it take place in the 60s and star Austin Powers (once Sony buys the rights to that character). Now that's Groovy, baby!
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@DrClayman I like your view, very astute. Perhaps you’re right. It will be interesting to see.
Update 2: I trust Phil Spencer as I trust Robert Kotick. Make of that what you will.
Current games will be supported for their lifecycle - new games will be Xbox exclusive.
Phil Spencer auditioning for the riddler role in the next Batman movie.
Make of that what you will.
phil spencer already said they will not be pulling them games from sony..and activision said the same..dose anybody do research before making comments..
@Jacko11 phil spencer said yesterday tht hey will be working with sony and will not be stopping cod ect on playstation..also activision said the same.
@Kmkelly oh yeah like Phil said with Bethesda and Legacy titles? Sure.
@Jacko11 when did he say that about bethesda
@Kmkelly 11th March 2021 on a roundtable. Talked about continuing to support games on other platforms that have a legacy.
@Jacko11 wont trust him then.thanks..
@winnerzero @Rob_230 Agreed it's really sad/ironic that Xbox owns two formerly PlayStation exclusives now.
I swear if newer Spyro the Dragon and Crash Bandicoot games become Xbox/PC exclusive, I will not support them.
I only play PlayStation and Switch games lately, despite also owning a Xbox One X.
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