Microsoft’s published a corporate puff piece praising its Xbox Game Pass business model. The lengthy roundtable discussion, featuring Xbox bigwigs Phil Spencer and Sarah Bond, has been released to coincide with the Game Developers Conference, and the content is much what you’d expect: a lot of talk of percentages, numbers, and graphs trending upwards. The general gist – if you don’t have 22 minutes to spare – is that subscription models increase sales, improve engagement, and diversify player’s tastes.
With all this apparent success, it’s only a matter of time before other platform holders follow suit, and Bond perhaps knows more about PlayStation’s plans than the rest of us. “[Subscriptions] have lowered the barrier for entry and created a whole new market and love for games and gaming experiences that otherwise wouldn’t have existed,” she beamed. “It’s one of the reasons why I’m excited to see gaming become a bigger part of our industry: we have our subscriptions, Sony’s announced theirs, and I anticipate other platforms are going to do the same because it’s so, so good for both developers and players.”
Fair enough, Sarah – but to our knowledge Sony hasn’t announced anything. Now, there are a few explanations here: it’s perfectly possible Bond simply made a mistake, which is fair enough, it happens to us all the time. It’s also plausible she’s referring to existing subscriptions, like PS Plus or PS Now. Or, potentially, she may have mistaken rumours about Project Spartacus for some kind of official announcement. All of the aforementioned are viable explanations.
Given her position, though, it’s also possible she may have some awareness of what PlayStation’s got cooking behind-the-scenes, and believes it’s already been announced. All we know at this stage is that a multifaceted reboot of PS Plus is allegedly nearing release, which will add additional paid tiers to the current setup and will include perks ranging from a vault of games to cloud streaming, similar to what’s already being offered in a limited capacity with PS Now.
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Given she said “announced”, the three alternative options you gave are most likely.
Either way, they'll probably announce something soon. Twitter "insiders" seem to point to it as well, although those should always be taken with a grain of salt (a particularly big one too)
Phil Spencer, Reminds of that UK Matt Handcock , with is smirking devil face.Lol..
Honestly with the amount of high quality games Sony continue to release, I actually prefer how PlayStation are handling there services. I wouldn’t want to see any first party get released day and date on this new service that could potentially hurt overall sales and revenue for the company. Let’s see what the future holds though.
More proof - if any was needed - that the console wars exist only in gamers heads. I am sure Sony has been speaking regularly with Microsoft behind closed doors about game pass and learning from their model.
So yes i am sure Sarah Bond, who is a very senior figure at Xbox knows whats going on.
And well. If Sony isnt going to announce the thing, then fair enough to Microsoft for doing it 🤭
I expect we will hear something this week given its GDC
Spencer ist always king of talking but there is not much behind it.
@thefourfoldroot Possible, but they didn't actually announce anything that I'm aware of. PS Plus and PS Now have been around for years.
@Baccaman lol perfect comparison😂😂😂😂
Aren't MS and Sony working together on cloud tech?
Sony are definitely using Azure to power their cloud services, although that could just be in specific areas for all I know.
It would make sense that perhaps Bond would know a few things, and also that Sony would be getting advice from MS on this.
I think this might just be a reference to the Spartacus rumours though, and she's just misspoken.
Perhaps its a glitch in the matrix, and she said something thats supposed to be said in 6 months or so. Or I believe that Sony will anounce something big very soon.
I still can’t wrap my head about how subscription services benefit all parties involved. Something just doesn’t seem to add up in the consumer, developer, service triangle. I would love to be proven wrong, but when I look at what Spotify has done to the music industry and what the streaming service wars have wrought, I have a gloomy outlook for gaming if subscriptions are the future.
@Rob_230 I get the impression Sony, MS and Nintendo are all on good times with each other, i can imagine Phil would have Sony around then Tencent being a big rival.
The Returnal update has been released so now the future of PS Studios is completely unknown in terms of precise details so I'd guess we'll get some kind of PS event (State of Play, PS Showcase) within the next week or so.
Oh goody I've been waiting to see the interview of the Used Car Salesman Of The Year Award winner for ages 👍
@Rural-Bandit Yeah me too. If they assist each other while also competing, we can only benefit.
It's good to see, and proves the "console wars" really and truly do not exist.
Meh, I think it's a simple mistake about the rumours
Project Spartacus announced, available only on Nintendo Switch Pro. 😂
I don't think she knows anything about it. More like she knows Sony is planning something and probably assumed Spartacus was already announced. There's been a lot of talk about Spartacus that makes it sound like it's the real thing and she's on team Xbox so probably isn't following the PS news so closely.
@Rural-Bandit I know right spending $80 billion of your conglomerate money to gatekeep historically 3rd party IP's is just such a great thing that Xbox has done for the industry. I hope Amazon and Google follow suit and buy up major IP's and lock them to their platforms so all the dumb people who praise what MS has been doing can eat crow.
If it increases sales, where are the halo infinite and forza horizon sales?
@Rob_230 lol, no they dont. If MS knows anything about Spartacus then because of known Insiders in the company. MS wants to push out Sony from the console Market by buying every Publisher available so they arent friends at all
Hang on a minute ..... Gamepass loses money/sales for developers and ppl who have GP don't buy games cause ppl on this site/twitter says so !!!! Lmfao You know who u are
What a typical "lets smell our own farts" talk was that lol.
Gamepass is the end of quality and games. Not obvious for most obviously in the next few years but in the long run. Just look at Netflix - which people funnily enough always use as pro argument, but in fact shows that 99,9% of the content is pure mainstream crap.
Idc about Subscriptions either way. I mean they're there if I want them but I'll always prefer to own my games.
@mrtennis1990 the numbers says otherwise.
@Rural-Bandit Weird West, a third party game, will be added day one as well. Later this year, Atomic Heart and A Plague Tale Requiem will too.
I think the update to the PS5 today with the PS Plus moving up to a fixed position in the system sends a signal changes are coming. I’m sure there’s stuff in this update that set up further for the new coming services.
She probably doesn’t mean much.
‘I’m excited to see gaming become a bigger part of our (gaming?) industry: ‘.
@get2sammyb
Exactly. So she clearly just misspoke.
@vhsodre I knew next to nothing about atomic heart but after the trailer I'm looking forward to it , and a plague tale requiem I just wish they would confirm release date so I can book the time off
Knowing mute Sony theirs no telling when, or if this will ever be announced. So funny how this company used to communicate so well with its fan base under Shawn Layden, and ever since Jim (Mattrick) Ryan took over its this silent and unexciting communication with ever announcement they make.
I really want them to announce whatever this PlayStation Spartacus rumor is so people can stop talking about it already. Assuming this is happening, the longer they keep quiet the more hype is going to build and the more disappointed people are going to be. I don't have high expectations for this but I'd like them to prove me wrong. Just once again insiders are probably running their mouth making it sound bigger news than what is actually going to be shown.
Subscription models definitely diversify players tastes and improve engagement. The whole ‘increase sales’ I’m not sure about yet - but, as long as everyone gets paid, that doesn’t concern me as a player who’s currently reaping the rewards of having gamepass.
Now the one thing that I think PlayStation need to adopt as part of their rumoured subscription service is a similar rewards system that Xbox offers with gamepass. This 100% increases player engagement. This is something that’s often over looked but is a huge benefit for Xbox players. And if Sony adopted it would easily become more engaging than trophies.
Daily/weekly tasks that reward you with currency. Introduce you to new games. Honestly, it’s addicting and something the PlayStation faithful would really end up taking advantage of…especially when we’re mostly nickel and dimed over on this side lately.
We’re about to get into April and since Christmas I’ve earned about £18 by doing very little.
I imagine whatever will disappoint me will be whatever Sony will do, as that has been my experience for a while now.
@Rob_230 She wants gaming to be a bigger part of our industry. What does that even mean?
It's very possible, Sony will announce at GDC and she is unaware of when these videos were going live.
If this was not broadcast live, perhaps at the time of its recording she knew of an announcement date that for some reason has not been met by Sony.
@JJ2 @Apfelschteiner Sarah Bond is Corporate Vice President, Gaming Partnerships and Business Development at Microsoft. Her entire role is to make gaming a bigger part of the tech industry, specifically the hardware, software, and cloud technology that are the meat, potatoes and, er, cloud of the Microsoft Corporation.
@Grimwood To be fair, 99.9% of all content, across all media, from the dawn of time, has been mainstream crap. We just have more access to it now. I would argue that there's more great art than ever, with greater access to it than ever before, but that like always you have to know where to look, and you have to bring some energy and interest to the table. And to be more fair, mainstream crap is just fine for most people, who just want to engage with content the way we engage with almost everything else we buy: to distract us from the capitalist boot on our necks and the yawning abyss at our feet
I think she just meant that Sony's subscription services exist and happened to choose an awkward/ill-fitting verb.
@Rural-Bandit Sony didn't buy out 3rd party publishers to force their way into being the market leader like MS is doing. MS paid %50 over the value of the stock to buy them, pretty sure no one else could even approach that amount. There is 0 benefit to Activision or Bethesda being bought by MS. Their games could have gone to GP without being bought out, the entire purpose is to force people who want to continue playing these IP's to buy into Xbox. Starfield, ES, and Redfall are all games that were going to be multiplatform and now aren't, how does having games release for less platforms benefit anyone? The same will eventually happen with Activision if allowed. I care about the industry and this consolidation is not a good trend. There had never been a single publisher bought by a console maker for decades of gaming, now MS has bought two in two years. I'll happily pirate every game I was going to buy from those publishers from now on though. Keep shilling for MS even though all we hear about is how terrible they manage their studios.
No wonder why they have to spend $80 billion to compete.
@mucc Uh huh…
Only two games have come from Bethesda studios for next gen consoles…they both have a year timed exclusivity on ps5. That doesn’t tell you anything huh
@Rural-Bandit that's because its those 3 companys ( sony , Microsoft, Nintendo) aren't like certain people * fanboys * they see it as BUISNESS deals
@nofriendo
Yes I just mean not to take everything she says literally. I’m not sure what ‘our industry’ literally means here. So I guess she just talking generalities.
@Rural-Bandit So somehow in your brain creating IP's from scratch with your own studios is the same as buying up giant 3rd party publishers for already created IP's? Also you're just making up complete nonsense saying Bethesda was always going to sell to MS. Morrowind is the ONE game they made that was on an Xbox platform and not a Playstation platform, mostly because the Ps2 was way too weak. That must mean they were the bestest of buddies right?
I'm not mad about anything, I just point out the facts. I'm a PC gamer so I have access to everything I'll ever need, but I still care about the industry because what MS is doing is going to have major ramifications within the next couple years. I'll absolutely steal if it means less money to a company that's forcing its way into complete control of an industry. It's funny how you bring up fanboy a lot when you're so blatantly one of them. At the end of the day NO ONE benefits when MS or any console maker buys out a multiplatform publisher to make those games now exclusive to their platform. Sorry but telling people to just buy out the other consoles is just beyond stupid and shows how ignorant you are to what's going on.
How do we know it's good for developers? Sure, potentially more people play their games, but if they aren't filled with micro transactions, how do we know they are adequately compensated?
@dtrj787 Hasn't it been GDC already though?
@Rural-Bandit how do you know this?
@Rural-Bandit Elden Ring just sold 12 million copies at full price. This will allow that studio to grow in ways it never could before. Now I know this is an outlier but I find it hard to believe that Bethesda is going to be given 7 years and a hundred million dollars to make one game a generation and be free on game pass.
@Rural-Bandit I'm nearly 50 and feel pretty much the same way, I don't really care about the 'brand' on the box, I have to have them to play the games I want.
There is going to come a time when its 'cheaper', more sustainable etc to build games that run in the cloud at the highest quality your display can cope with with no more latency, maybe less than researching, building, prototyping, sending out dev kits, etc etc to run games at an 'affordable' price to get near to that 'quality' and performance...
You could 'plug' your console into your Display to play a 'scaled down and performance limited version but the 'best' version is 'streamed' to your display Courtesy of Playstation/Xbox/Nintendo and any others who are that forward thinking and have started looking at getting in - Google, Amazon, Apple....
They make me cringe when they talk. They are soooooo FAKE :-/ When Microsoft talk about gaming it makes my skin crawl It's like listening to a sales man/woman who just wants to con you and take your money really and have ZERO interest in gaming. I hope SONY don't copy Microsoft really.
@Carl-G zero interest in gaming ? You know he is a gamer right ? He's on Xbox playing games a hell of a lot and there is a lot of stories from fans who have played games with him ..when was the last time u saw Jim Ryan playing the games with the ppl who buy the games ?
@Rural-Bandit Funny thing is I haven't pirated a game in over a decade, always a good time to start with MS games though! I didn't realize pirating a game or two from a trillion dollar conglomerate is going to ruin the industry. Also the PC was never "killed off" in the early 2000s and piracy didn't stop stores from carrying physical PC games. Console gaming was just far more popular and PC didn't get many big name console ports so it made more sense for those games to take up shelve space. Piracy became FAR more prevalent when digital distribution started and Direct 2 Drive and Steam completely killed physical PC game sales. You would know that since you know everything about the industry right?
Bethesda made ONE more game for Xbox that wasn't on Playstation. They've always been pro PC, not Xbox. Of course Todd Howard is going to say anything to praise the company that just made him personally $150 million richer. Money talks and Howard will say anything as we know from the past. It's ok to be biased and believe whatever you want though.
@Amnesiac Can you please elaborate more on what did Spotify do?
And what do you expect to happen in games services ?
with tons of gamers even having 100+ backlog of games
with 90% of physical sales multiplat games coming from ps
with 100+ million steam users dont even bother looking at gamepass
doubt streaming will take off if sony wont even try to compete
@mucc - You care about the industry but will steal games from MS owned devs? That doesn't impact a trillion company but it sure as hell takes money away from the people making the games.
Hey, unrelated but remember that time you condemned Forza Horizon 5 for having 100 dollars worth of DLC. How does that stack up to GT7's 3000 dollars worth of mtx? Sony making EA look like the good guys lol.
@Rural-Bandit I don't mean free but how much money gets reinvested in the company...how are people going to get sales bonuses if there aren't sales? None of this is known
@Dr-M Sure thing. With Spotify, artists are paid a share of the company's monthly revenue based on number of plays. Because your'e divvying up the monthly subscription revenue (minus Spotify's 30% cut) among all streaming artists, the gap in pay between smaller independent artists and studio backed artists is pretty staggering.
That's kind of the obvious negative, but there are also issues that come from artists and companies adjusting how they make and sell content in order to maximize payouts based on their contract incentives. It's easy to imagine larger gaming companies changing how they develop games to better profit from streaming contracts as well.
My other concern is more about the further balkanization of the gaming market. More streaming services means more exclusives and timed contracts. It's not hard to imagine a future where if I don't have a subscription to the Gust tier of the Koei Tecmo streaming service, I'm not be able to play the latest Atelier game.
@Shigurui You realize MS pays the developers regardless if a game does well or not right? They're not going to disband any studios even if games do poorly either way because GP needs constant games and its cheaper to make games than sign 3rd party ones to GP. Either way I'm partially joking just to be a dick, aside from Bethesda games and Age of Empires I don't even see a single MS first party game on my Steam library so I don't even play most of their games.
Also I never condemned FH5 for their microtransactions, I was replying to someone who tried to say FH5 had little microtransactions which clearly isn't true. At least you can get GT7's cars without having to pay any real money at all if you play the game. Not every car is massively overpriced and I'm sure things will be adjusted. Every live service game goes through these things. Still I'd take a system where you can grind to get something over absolutely having to pay money.
@mrtennis1990 Which is probably why Playstation is moving solely from releasing content on just Playstation. Services like Game Pass only work when you can give as many devices as possible access, or you're a trillon dollar company. Games Pass is available on just about every device now from Xbox to mobile devices. This is why Playstation bought Nixxes, why they continue to let Bungie develop multi platform games, and why they are working with Microsoft on cloud with azure.
@Grimwood The issue with Netflix is that they don't have the capital, the in house teams, or IPs. Their only source of income is from their subscription, and they rely solely on 3rd parties to provide the teams and IP. Which means everything they release has to bring in number to recoup development cost. Microsoft has the capital, the IPs and the in house Studios. Games are still being sold the traditional way, so they aren't relying solely on Game Pass to recoup development cost... Even then Microsoft has money to burn so they can afford to take risk. Netflix can't.
@Rural-Bandit Oh I'm so salty for pointing out reality!
I never said piracy didn't keep games away from PC as it absolutely did. I said it wasn't a major factor of killing physical PC games. Physical PC sales were already dead by the mid-late 2000's when piracy became rampant with torrents and p2p programs.
@Rural-Bandit You don't seem to get it. When they become like Netflix and 99% of it is algorithm based *****, then you'll understand. Somehow you think it's a good thing that Microsoft is throwing around billions of dollars to take beloved franchises that have always been multiplatform and making them exclusive to a subscription service is a good thing. Microsoft has money but they don't have the love of games that nintendo and Sony has. How many studios have either left or been ruined by Microsoft? They had one of the best games of the year last year in Psychonauts 2 but did zero advertising for it. I can't understand anyone who is a shill for huge corporations that buy up and ruin so many things.
@Rural-Bandit and just to be clear, I don't play any Bethesda or Activision games. I'm more of an Arcane or Doublefine type of person. Couldn't care less about CoD or whatever else Activision publishes. Although Starfield could be great.
@mvhess Oh he gets it, he's just such an MS shill it doesn't matter to him. He somehow thinks MS is the good guy and Sony is the evil greedy corporation when they're both the same and just want your money. MS is just in all in mode to try and get as many subscribers as possible and doesn't care if they destroy the industry as long as they take control of it. It just makes me laugh how people like him think they're saving Bethesda and Activison even though it seems like every week we have a story about their first party studios having terrible management and people leaving. There's a reason why Xbox doesn't lead the industry and has to use billions of conglomerate money to buy out the competition. These clowns just don't seem to care that consolidation is going to ruin the industry. What makes me laugh is how they always bring up Tencent as if they're evil and would be worse off with them buying out the publishers. At least Tencent would keep the games multiplatform.
@Rural-Bandit Keep changing the subject. When did Sony buy a ***** publisher? SF5 they helped fund, Final Fantasy they're paying for timed exclusivity, Spiderman they develop themselves and don't own the IP as there have been other Marvel games with Spiderman in it. The timed exclusivity stuff is whack but MS does the exact same thing just with lesser mainstream titles. Also MS started the timed exclusivity wars during the 360 gen with GTA4's DLC and many other titles. Sony does their fair share of negative ***** as well as Nintendo, but NOTHING compared to spending billions to buy up existing IP's to keep multiplatform titles off other platforms. They just bought both publishers and one isn't even cleared yet so of course we haven't seen many titles be exclusive, but what do you think they spent $80 billion for? I'm not crying about anything shill, I'm pointing out how its completely assbackwards for an industry.
@Rural-Bandit You bring up some good points about Square and SF but I think you are wrong about GT7. It's the studios that decided the monetization. And they didn't buy Spider-Man. First of all they own the rights to the character but more importantly they invested millions to have it made. Insomniac wouldn't be the Insomniac we know today without Sony investing in them and letting them do their own thing. And insomniac gave so much free content to the original Spiderman. Same with guerilla and GoT. I don't see Sony coming down with an edict of the monetization of GT7.
@Rural-Bandit well I didn't make the comment about tencent. But you can't deny that Bungie left unhappy and virtually everyone left RARE when they acquired them.
@Rural-Bandit I live about 20 minutes from Bethesda and know many people that worked there as play testers. Wish nothing but the best for them.
@mrtennis1990 so you prefer everyone to pay €80 for new games so shareholders won’t lose revenue? I think the prices are too high and will hurt revenues more in the long run
I work for a merchandising company and back earlier this year we were contracted by Incomm (a prepaid card company) to visit Rite Aids, Walgreens, and other locations our company services to pull ALL Playstation Now cards replacing them with Playstation Plus cards with no other directives.
So something is definitely brewing. Just wish they would announce it already.
@Amnesiac If you knew something about how revenues are shared, you would probably would not compare Spotify with GP.
Spotify will grab all money amassed during quarter from subscription and then divide it between artists based on numbers of plays. Meaning, that there is literally no guarantee how much money you will get for one play of one song. Because that is dictated by how much money Spotify had from subscription, but also how popular other artists were on platform.
Game Pass is entirely different. For once, your revenue is not dependant on subscription, because gaming has other revenue streams (many people still like to buy games, microtransactions, expansions etc.).
But more importantly, Microsoft is paying for game in GP upfront. So you have guaranteed amount of money regardless of how great your game is doing in GP. In some cases Microsoft pays for development (Stalker 2, Ascent, The Medium etc.) and will get game in GP along with timed exclusivity. In some cases it is just a fixed sum of money for game being in subscription. But there are incentives to earn more money for playtime.
It is basically same model Sony used for games like Fall Guys/Rocket League, Deep Rock Galactic to get them Day One into PS Plus.
So comparisons between GP and services like Netflix or Spotify are funny at best and stupid at worst...
@Amnesiac Thank you soon much, that was really informative.
@Rural-Bandit Exactly - when its much cheaper to build and update a central server with the Hardware to run any game, regardless of complexity. AI, Destruction, RT etc all running in the cloud on 'super computers' more powerful than they can make and distribute to 'millions' of people at a 'low' cost.
The 'only' limitation being the display or the bandwidth. Games on consoles will end up much more 'limited' because of distribution and storage limitations on 'local' hardware. For example, you can't fit the 'size' of MSFS on a disc but can stream it in from a server instead of an internal SSD.
When games are over 60GB in size, you need to 'download' at least 'some' of the software because the discs are not big enough. Distributing software, especially physically, will be limiting to devs.
Its 'difficult' enough to distribute games today with the current gen. Games are already pushing and exceeding the limits of Blurays, already relying on internet distribution.
So not only do you have to build hardware powerful enough to 'run' the latest games, you need high speed storage and as anyone with 'current' consoles, SSD's are not 'cheap' per TB. Its much cheaper to have that game stored in the 'cloud' than make individual consoles with Storage to play 'locally' in 'millions' of homes.
Its NOT sustainable either. Millions of 'Hardware' units versus maybe a few 'thousand' Super chips built into a 'super server'. Instead of 'millions' of 1-2 TB SSD's in consoles, one super 'Data' centre with ALL the games, all the High Quality assets etc connected to those servers. Use the neural networks to process RT, AI, Physics etc and stream that to whatever 'display' people have.
It will come to a point where devs are not limited by 'hardware', not limited by 'distribution' etc etc. I'm sure there will still be 'retro' hardware - maybe even with some 'physical' media but I don't expect them to play the latest, greatest AAA games 'locally'.
I know people are 'traditionalists' and reluctant to change, but its getting increasingly difficult to make 'affordable' consoles to distribute globally to 'millions' of individuals and 'run' games at their 'best'. Yes you can get 'great' results if you limit the game to the Hardware.
The PS4 version of H:FW isn't as 'good' visually and limited to 30fps, but could 'stream' a 4k/60 PS5 version for better visuals/performance and if you can do that, you can stream to any display and thus do without the Hardware....
@Godot25 You know, I didn't mention game pass at all, but I'm sure team green is happy to have such staunch defenders against perceived slights.
@Amnesiac Well, you were obviously talking about subscription services like GP, since Microsoft is the only company that provide this type of service
@mvhess You are talking about a different point in MS's history and under different management, different business models etc.
What you also have to remember, until 'recently', Xbox was pretty much a 'side' project at MS. The issues at the start of the XB1 generation were a result of a different management and business plan - focussed more on being an 'entertainment' hub than a 'games' console.
Around 2016, Xbox became a lot more integrated into MS and they opted to make 'Xbox' the Gaming 'brand' across all platforms - inc PC so all 'Xbox' games come to MS platforms of which the 'Xbox' console was a part of. That led on to Game Pass to be able to distribute games to 'every' device (except PS/Nintendo).
If you want to play Sony's 'Wolverine', you will have to buy a Sony PS5. If you want to play 'Starfield', you can play anywhere (except PS/Switch) - whether that's an MS Xbox console, MS Windows PC, Android/Apple phones/tablets, even Steam Deck too. The 'only' platforms NOT getting Starfield is Playstation/Switch.
Since that 'change' at MS, them actually integrating Xbox into the 'whole' of MS, not just a 'small' side project, they have acquired numerous Studio's - inc Obsidian, inXile, Double Fine, Ninja Theory etc and have 'changed' their management, their business model, their distribution model etc. That make MS/Xbox a 'very' different entity than they were in 2013 or before.
@Shepherd_Tallon
That is exactly right Sony and MS have a cloud agreement so MS would know may know something. Sony probably was going to announce something by now and just may be late.
@mrtennis1990
Nope. Gamepass is awesome and Sony needs to get on that train as does Nintendo.
subs are much more lucrative than 1 off purchases. PUT ALL THE GAMES ON IT!
Yet another "leak"...I wish Sony would just hurry the hell up and announce this already.
@sword_9mm It really depends on what you enjoy. . In theory it is great but MS has a long way to go. If you like playing older games it is fantastic. I loved it at first because I was new to it but now after having it there is not much for me. It is mostly older games and shovelware. There are a few hidden gems like It Takes two which I would have never bought but because I could try it out I did and loved it. It really has a long way to go to have more great new titles. Since I have owned almost all the Xbox's I have played most of the older games. Yea it is nice to go back and play some like NBA Jam and SSX. I also own all systems right now so most of the multiplatform I have played. I find myself not using it much. i just think if you have had it for any amount of time you can play through pretty much everything you want and then what.
@Godot25 You mean besides Apple Arcade, EA Play, PS Now, U Play Plus, whatever Amazon and Google are doing, etc...
@Grimwood Netflix has a few gems, though. Worth having for 2 months a year, I'd say.
@shred5
I've not used Gamepass but a coworker swears by it.
Seems to me new games pop up fairly often on it. Maybe mostly MS published stuff but that's fine if Sony does that too.
There will still be purchases of course but one can get quite a lot of mileage out of what MS already does. Sony is going to do this too as it's a no-brainer $$ wise.
I was just arguing that Sony should put it's 1st party stuff on their 'Sonypass' as the person I was replying to for some reason doesn't like that idea. I'd much rather play Ghosts of Tsushima on Sonypass than buy the game. Also makes for good demo fodder. If the game sucks for me at least I'm not out 30-70$.
Wasting money on a gamepass and giving us less control of our game library and money getting lost that could go to funding new games. Yeah sound like a nightmare come true. And the value with the pass i could not care less.
@mrtennis1990 Just wish PS Now was handled better with more regions added, more games from previous gen etc
@Bleachedsmiles it was called Sony Rewards. Only USA had access to it but they killed it after a couple of years.
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