Gran Turismo 7 PS5, PS4 Patch Restores Servers After 24 Hours, Polyphony Digital Comments on Microtransactions

Forza, Xbox and Game Pass must be laughing their exhausts off at this mess.

The Xbox is looking more and more attractive. With enough money and time I might cave in and switch teams.

This is a disaster.

It's ok everyone just tell me what cars you want and I'll run out in the real world and buy 100 of them then the price will go down in game for you .... Your welcome lol

Grid Legends is looking better and better - and that's an EA game, FFS!!

@get2sammyb It's true that no-one in their right mind would trade in their £450 console because of one offline incident - yet here I am with a perfectly fine Pro wondering which way to go next. Never happened before.
It's the microtransactions and always online (when it works) that just grates and is something Old Sony wouldn't do.

£70! That's the price of the game that contains the sort of MTX mechanics one would find in a free-to-play title.
Sony still charging £10 for the PS4-PS5 upgrade path, essentially charging people more who fork out just shy of half a grand for their new console.
It is genuinely the same level of greed and arrogance that MS showed back with their XOne launch/reveal.
How the days of cheering when the PS4 announcement of all offline games feels so so so long ago....

@get2sammyb That £500 console can probably be sold by most people for a profit due to the stock shortages still.
And this just sadly confirms my believe that Sony are trying to tie in everybody so tightly into their infrastructure that they feel price bound and unable to leave.

“Obsessive and obscene microtransactions really make you f e e l like a racer”

This has been unacceptable and I understand everyone's frustration. Gran Turismo is one of my favorite series. But Remember no one is forcing you to buy MTX. This is a game that's going to be updated for years to come and will try and keep players engaged for years so there is really no rush to go and collect, tune, and upgrade every car right away. Lets take the time and enjoy the game (when its online) lol.

@get2sammyb I sadly thing you're right. Kind of like the FIFA ultimate team Situation, the gaming press calls it out for its toxicity but the gaming public still pump insane amounts of £££'s into it. I just wish the masses were large enough to stop Sony going down this very route. I dread to think what the Last of Us Faction multiplayer game will end up like...

@Pat_trick
Believe me, as someone who has a series X and PC its definitely not better there - FH5 had a lot more microtransactions and awful policies trying to extract money from you than GT7 has , and Halo is transaction central - more than $1000 to buy the custom gear for multiplayer.

Much as I cant defend Sony on this, they are far better than MS who put such transactions in every single release..

If they have plans to add more content to avoid the need to replay races over and over, then why reduce the rewards now and not later when that content is available?

As far as making the cars in-game prices relative to their real world prices: did they not do that in all the previous games by making some cars more expensive than others? Why bring that up at all in this statement if it’s what you’ve always done?

I don’t really have a problem with the pricing since I’m fine grinding out races in a racing game that plan on playing for a long time to come, but it’s clear now that microtransactions are the big motivating factor for these changes and Sony is just straight up lying about it.

@smbeats what they actually mean by going for years is pumping in more cars you can buy or grind for years ...most ppl will just pay

@smbeats It’s important to call this behavior out early to make it clear out the gate it’s unacceptable. If stuff like the Horizon free upgrade debacle wasn’t called out on until like a week before, then they most certainly wouldn’t have gone back on it. Trust me, I feel for GT fan who’s game is not only riddled with MTX but also who’s game is centered around discussion about that MTX and not the quality of it itself.

So not even an apology for being unable to access the game?

"if possible would like to try to avoid a situation where a player must mechanically keep replaying certain events over and over again". So we've done the exact opposite and made you grind more.

@get2sammyb Who said anything about converting existing PS5 owners? Nonsense like locking people out of a 70 quid game, increasing the grind to intentionally push them towards microtransactions and charging huge amounts of real money for cars IN A 70 QUID GAME! and then trying to justify it by essentially saying "this is for your own good" makes Sony look terrible. Maybe existing PS5 owners won't switch, but lots of undecided Next Gen first timers definitely will.

I voted Race with Ryan over than Gran Turismo 7.

The way he’s defending the MTX absolutely smacks of NFTs. “an important element that conveys their value and rarity” does not fill me with confidence.

@Titntin you mean the halo multiplayer that is f2p anyway? ,not one person went out and paid £70 for the multiplayer part so you can't count that can you ?

Dude, it's called a driving simulator. Not a car dealership simulator. They don't need to reflect real life value because it's not real life. Yikes that was a rough statement.

"A player must mechanically keep replaying certain events over and over again."
So much modern gaming right there....or you can pay real money for a shortcut!

@Martsmall exactly i agree, at least we have the option to grind or pay. If we are not happy with either, don't buy or play the game. Lets see if this will slow down sales and maybe they will learn the hard way.

While some of the explanation is bs, I’m just relieved that this situation is resolved. I was in game when the update hit and it crashed my console. The long delay had me thinking the situation was catastrophic.
I do feel they owe the players more than this and hopefully address the always online fiasco.

@smbeats I also hope it goes that way but unfortunately I can't see it and I'll tell u why I think that ....most ppl now want the item their friends haven't got to brag and will pay that extra to get it before others do and because of them they will make a hell of a lot of money ,which means more games will do the same

@Titntin Didn't know that.
Thanks for the info!

I honestly can't remember a game being released to such great reviews and end up hurting itself so bad within the first month.

Patches should be to fix the quality of game, not altering it because players are earning your in-game currency too fast.

If you want realistic car pricing, you would have to make the best cars impossible for most to earn. Since you know, most people will never be able to buy them irl. This is not about realism. Another round of credit nerfs and I'll sell this game at a loss. I'm beginning to think I'll be eating humble pie given how I dismissed concerns over a focus on live service games.

"At the same time the pricing of cars is an important element that conveys their value and rarity, so I do think it’s important for it to be linked with the real world prices."

In the next update, to make it more immersive and have it coincide with real world prices, GT7 will be asking for your yearly income. Just to be sure you're not purchasing cars, you shouldn't be able to afford....with real world prices.

So where’s the compensation for 24+ hours of downtime? He makes no mention of this whatsoever. Surely players deserve something for putting up with this debacle.

@PhhhCough you think that's bad wait till next year and Insurance prices go up lol

@Titntin While FH5 had MTX, they never even came close to borderline focing you to use them. The game straight up gave you any car you wanted. The game also didn't just randomly change the value base of the RL value. So you can basically go through an entire playthrough with noticing them.

Also while Microsoft is a bit heavy hand with mtx. Halo Infinite is a f2p and isn't a $70 game.

@Pat_trick cause it's not true halo multiplayer is a f2p game ,it's like saying omg there's is microtransactions in fortnight

@CynicalGamer
I hear ya. I'm trying to keep an open mind to Playstation's attempts at a live service but GT7 doesn't give a great first impression. Hopefully they get the message that this isn't how you do this.

@get2sammyb it’s more than that. It’s a flagship console seller. Gran Turismo. There are songs about it. It’s in culture. For the multiple missteps it hurts the whole PS brand. I’ve defended Sony for the longest time but there are multiple issues here to which we cannot defend. Most importantly as you rightly say here in this very article is that the statements that are put out are ridiculous - up there with the Xbox statement about if you want a offline console buy a 360 and EA and it’s surprise mechanics!

It does sound like the delay was the right thing to do as I can imagine more people would have been upset of the data had been corrupted / lost. Shame they didn't think that they could feed that back to people though as surely the good thing about social media is that they can get that message out there fast.

@Titntin You can’t compare Forza Horizon 5 to this. You get SOOOO many cars on FH that it’s actually overwhelming. Have no interest at all in even considering a micro transaction there because I have too many damn cars as it is. Here the cars come in a trickle. Much slower advancement so I can actually see where there would be more temptation.

@PhhhCough yeah. There will be bus and trains for the lowest paid in society.

It’s escapism. The whole point of a simulator is to allow people to experience things they can’t others wise the attraction is being able to drive a Nissan Micra…. It’s the high end real life rare beasts.

The ego has well and truly up ended the game here.

I have both consoles and since getting the PS5 I have hardly touched the series X. Sony seems to be doing everything to get me to go back to the X.

I will be hanged for saying this but I prefer to work to get these cars. Forza Horizon 5 just throws them at you all the time. Where's the fun in that?

@awp69 Gran Turismo was built on the massive garage. That start what games like Horizon has become. Before Turismo games didn’t have hundreds of cars they had tens of cars and you might own 6/7 to complete it.

Turismo was unapologetically a car collectors dream. It is why it existed. A love letter to all cars and to give people the chance to own and drive more cars than they can wish for. To pretend it’s something else is ridiculous

@Ooccoo_Jr Not really, the Forza sub-series most like GT is Motorsport of which all Forza Motorsport games are delisted (the most recent being FM7 delisted back in September 2021) and no-one knows when the next one is coming.

I get what he is saying. Its a collection game and he doesn't want you earning everything at once. That would be boring. So he has spread the wealth out (by raising the payout on other races), so we aren't just farming one race, while also raising the payoff of earning your dream car... Just like GT on ps1.

It's fair enough and the microtransactions dont even come into the equation, because they are only there for people with more money than sense.

My only gripe is not having championships for later licences, but they will come

Forza does throw cars at you but it’s an arcade game. Can we stop pretending it’s one or another. Don’t excuse micro transactions and don’t play down what others want. You can always grind and not buy cars if you like.

@Titntin Had read of that with a few FH/Driving game veterans noting the mtx even if the wider gaming press didn't...being tied up in gamepass seems to give it a "free to play" vibe even when it is tied to a subscription!
That said,when you think back to the original GT games,or indeed other racers like eg: NFS Underground 1 & 2,Sports games like SSX/Tricky, etc,or 1vs1 fighting games ala Tekken,MK,SF etc., the entire concept of earning/unlocking extra content in-game really went out the window after the ps2 era.
Little by little,as the AAA publishers found out what they could get away with during the ps3/4 (& 360/Xbone,& even eshop),era they groomed a whole new generation of gamers to get used to dlc,& now mtx,that older gamers knew didn't need to be there because they'd earned them or used cheats to unlock it!😔
The older era games might lack the looks of today's tech,but the sports,driving,& fighting games of the 16/32bit era,(heck even some 8bit!),but at least they had a focus of fun over profit!!

Ended up selling my copy of GT7 to a friend and moved on to Horizon Forbidden West, a game which does not require an online connection. Maybe when Polyphony stops making the same moves Microsoft did when the X-Box One was introduced, my take some interest

Instead of getting GT7 like I planned, I'll just play some free content in Returnal.

Pass uninstalled

This particular situation is unacceptable and I believe Sony should compensate consumers not just apologize. Hopefully Sony thinks about their future projects maybe suffering from the same problems and change how they view future games containing always online elements, especially for single-player.

People saying that others will switch consoles or are thinking about switching themselves are in for a rude awaking, because this is an industry wide problem. Every publisher and platform holder have talked, done or are pushing for GaaS. Corporate profits are now being prioritized over creativity and vision which is just sad.

Gamers need to drop the tribalism and start calling out companies for these practices every time we encounter them.
GaaS is garbage and unacceptable!

I definitely don't want my video game economies mirroring any sort of real world market valuation and inflation trends, especially the 2022 market haha, what about that sounds fun to the average person? Like most of the other dumb Tech Bros. ideas in gaming, I think they're mistaking "cool" for "fun".

First time buying a single player online game.

Never again.

What a disgusting way to justify the microtransactions like that, does he expect anyone to believe this nonsense without thinking? Smdh 😤😤

@RevGaming that was your first mistake for buying the game in the first place lol

Its a terrible look - and not a great start to the 10 live service game model Sony was hyping last month. Must improve

@Pat_trick you should definitely switch teams. I mean sure, you won't be able to play all the first party games, but it's not like Sony first party games are any good. Don't let gamers, critics, and sales fool ya.

@Squanch it reminds me of Nintendo fans saying they would rather quit gaming than pay for online. They changed their tune when Nintendo also made it mandatory for online play.

@PhhhCough like I said, just reading that it really sounds stupid and unjustifiable lol

The only thing that kept me from buying this day one was how close it was to Horizon's release. So glad for that right now. This has become a deep discount purchase at best.

@Futureshark keep the live services going and make the gamer continuously run around in their hamster wheel and keep paying up the cash to get their fancy cars, these Devs are playing people as a joke at this point, it saddens me that the series has been driven down to this horrible practice 😤😤

@Nexozi "Sony seems to be doing everything to get me to go back to the X."

Like releasing some of the best exclusives in the industry?

I hope those complaining so much DO piss off to Xbox and GamePass. They won't be missed.

I have both consoles but don't spend my time here bashing Sony the same as I don't go onto Xbox sites and bash Gamepass.

Pushsquare has to have the highest proportion of negative reader comments I've ever read on a platform specific website.

The only race you could make some money on quickly (well if you could be bothered repeating the same thing a hundred times) 45,000cr down to 15000cr you goto be kidding me, that's it, seriously, I'm finished with this game I've done all the menu games anyway and all I was doing was buying good cars to race online but not at this rate, bye GT7, was good while it lasted

@awp69 I CAN compare and I did.
You press the wrong button on your map screen in FH5 and your taken to a microtransaction to buy all the map markers.
Despite stating 'day one on game pass' the only people to play day 1 were those that bought a pre release add on pack - the rest of us waited 4 more days.
I wasn't waiting to get new cars in FH5, but also not in GT7 - I have a car for every single race I've completed on the cards - I just cant see any difference.

I don't like where the industry is heading with these transactions, but I do know that every company and format holder is doing it, and it doesn't do anyone good to pretend its not happening everywhere.

You know what would've helped? Pushing back against the higher ups and making sure the single player could be played and enjoyed to its fullest offline. That was the biggest mistake made with this game. Also can't help but wonder if having two versions of the game makes things a bit more difficult. PS4 already had its GT entry.

@YeoSprings I was one of them.
Cant argue with facts, and even though I didn't actually want to play the game these last two days, it perfectly illustrates the point.

I was wrong. Its not as good thing. It would still be unlikely to affect a purchase decision for me, but I would be foolish to not see that people who had concerns were right to have them...

His statement on microtransactions frustrate me immensely and is such BS. Theyve managed to tarnish one of my favourite series on PlayStation.

@Titntin the day one was actually the day you played , as u say four days after other ppl who paid played it but the release date was actually the day u played it , the other ppl paid to play it EARLIER than day one ( the day you played )

Link https://racinggames.gg/forza/forza-horizon-5-release-date-early-access-editions-series-x-pc-steam-premium-edition-add-on/

Glad I avoided this, in my eyes not worth 60-70 especially with microtransactions , wait til drops below 30 quid

Well that statement just seems a kick in the nuts too loyal fans, is real world prices going too be thier excuse for everything ?

Sorry but like others have posted will sell it too many other games out that aren't cash grab just hope more people do this or don't buy and hit Sony where it hurts , there wallet.

"if possible would like to try to avoid a situation where a player must mechanically keep replaying certain events over and over again"

We'll achieve this by giving you less credits as rewards from races so that you're more likely to use the microtransactions that we totally don't want you to buy

The shame about this is that it genuinely looks like an amazing game and one that never needed any of these issues which only actively make it worse

Finally good to see it back up, while they at least had a reason for it they could have been better with communication but that seems to be a weak point for PlayStation recently. Gran Turismo is meant to be about building up the car collection over time but even I think the way they're looking at the value of cars is dumb and needs changing. It's so frustrating when you enjoy a company's games and system but they are making these poor decisions that leave a bad impression. This is a really great game that is having it's image tarnished by such things. I hope this and Ghost of Tsushima Legends counts as part of the 10 live service games Sony want to produce because this one does not give me any hope for the rest so far.

• "I want to make GT7 a game in which you can enjoy a variety of cars lots of different ways, and if possible would like to try to avoid a situation where a player must mechanically keep replaying certain events over and over again." --- TRANSLATION: I don't want you to have to grind away for hours now that we've decreased prize winnings; therefore, I will save you by offering these credits you can buy!!!
• Still no addressing of how your servers being down makes the game completely unplayable for single-player campaign. People have paid you $60, $70, even $90 to play a game, and yet, Sony/PD determines when you can actually play the game that you paid for.

@Pat_trick your welcome mate

@suikoden
Real world excuses ...
Game price is going up because of fuel prices ,
Cars are going to be more expensive you crashed a few times and now your insurance has gone through the roof ,
Car tax price rises coming up in the next update lol

Unfortunate that the game was down for so long, but I think there will be at least some form of 'compensation'.

I had an issue with GT Sport when playing on two different PS4s. The online system of progress saving messed up and I lost quite a lot of levels, a bunch of credits and some cars. They ended up giving me about 20million credits, a load of 'car passes' that I could use to purchase anything and a proper apology / recognition of the problem with the save game system.

Based on my experience above and what Kazunori has responded with, I'm happy to keep enjoying the game (loving it so far) and see what they have planned for special events / updates / etc.

Everything is going to be fine!!!

@Martsmall they paid $60 for a god awful 10 hour campaign without co op.
The only reason they separated out the multiplayer was so people could excuse all the MTX as its 'free'. Yet in every halo forum or user group I've seen there are many committed players moaning about the rip off MTX..... Maybe you don't mind, but a lot of the Halo community do, and looking at the value per $ of items in that game, they are right to be concerned.

I don't like any of it, in any game. But I wish players would at least recognise that its everywhere - making excuses for it helps no one.

@Anti-Matter

Dear god at times I don't if your just insane or looking for attention , racing for Ryan over this can't be the only one who also finds it creepy!

@Martsmall

Don't give them any ideas!

@Pat_trick I've always favored Sony's exclusives, and unique things like the Dual Sense. But I had been keeping an eye on what MS was doing since they botched the Xbox One announcement & release — and they did the things necessary to win players back since the release of the One X. I had always viewed them as sort of the evil global corporation. Meanwhile, Sony has been becoming this over the same time period. This GT7 fiasco — namely, the game that I paid $90 for only being playable when SONY/PD says I can play it — may be the impetus to me making most of my software purchases on my Series X instead ...

@Martsmall
Call it what you like, day one is the day when the public rather than reviewers start playing retail code.
You must see that this was a cynical play to extract money from people who couldn't wait... or do you genuinely not see that?

@Martsmall

He is talking about Halo 5 which has microtransactions which was a full RRP game, quit a few Xbox full priced games have microtransactions I own some of them

@Titntin that's why it's called early access and no I don't like it but there is ppl that will pay for that sort of thing ( not me I'll wait ) like I've said in a previous post this gt7 thing will make lots of money and they will do it all the more because ppl like in the early access thing want stuff before other ppl,it's the way it goes now

Thought they might have throw some credits at us as an apology for the downtime!

@get2sammyb You're right. As a show of good faith ... Please, have this 1-Star Roulette Reward, worth 5,000 Cr.

I will be picking up Grid Legends on PS5 today. I would have gotten it sooner but with releasing close to GT7, I naturally waited for GT7. This game will mature with time. But time for me to move on to the other racing game. Maybe even pull out the PS1 and play GT2 with its amazing soundtrack. Nostalgia is real in this early 90s baby

@naruball Yeah, that’s a good comparison. Funny you say that because when Microsoft introduced payed online during the 360 era and PS3 people were saying they play online for free; I remember saying don’t plan on continuing to play for free. When companies see that 💰 they tend to jump on those trends as quickly as possible, especially, when people excuse and defend it. Nintendo is no exception.

Sometimes the writing is on the wall, but some people just choose to ignore if it doesn’t directly affect them at the time.

"and if possible would like to try to avoid a situation where a player must mechanically keep replaying certain events over and over again.”

So they lower the prize money so people have replay events over and over again... Go figure 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

@PhhhCough lol. Oh, man, bring back Yugo's, for me then.

@Ooccoo_Jr @get2sammyb I jumped from the PS band wagon after the PS4 Pro. I hated how anti consumer Sony had become and also how poor the PS4 family of consoles were made. Using subtitles just so I can understand a game was the last straw. I jumped to Xbox and haven't looked back - just patiently awaiting the announcement of a GT7 port to Steam

God I'm sick of this "old Sony" nonsense.

GT Sport was the same, that released what? 5 years ago? Parts of GT have been locked behind an online only model since GT5 and microtransactions have been there the same time.

@Hundred_Hand_Slap My favorite game of all time, bro! As long as you have the attitude to don't quit after continuously dying, you'll have a great time!

@get2sammyb Thanks Push Square for at least shining a light on this. I hear that the major outlets are hardly mentioning this at all, clearly being silenced by Sony's advertising dollars...

@naruball ooooh exclusives, that don't work for over 24 hrs. 😂 I love my PS5, considering I've gone from 2 to 80 plats since getting it. This is the first real issue that's actually affected me. I guess u can't complain on this site. So.. all hail online single player games. That will become useless as soon as the servers are turned off.

@commentlife

For real. I have a 2018 Civic Si. A dealer offered to buy it from me for 25,000. Which is more than I paid for it.

If the new Si was actually available to buy, I’d have taken the deal.

@eagletrippin Oh I have like 200 hours into the game and got the plat. I'm excited for the Ascension expansion. Comes out next week. Love the game too!

@Scob Why wouldn't they be negative? This is something awful coming froma first party dev.

As we say in brazil, "mimimi generation".
People complain more and more today, nothing is good.
Bye pushsquare.

@Hundred_Hand_Slap Oh, sorry, I misread your comment, thought you were going to purchase Returnal instead of GT7, but you already owned/platinum'd it😁 Same here! Got the plat, as well. I was basically still playing it on daily basis, keeping my skills "fresh", at least up until GT7 came out🙄 Time to get ready for getting my butt handed to me again & again with the new expansion😂

Wow , I really don't understand hysteria around this. Nobody forces anybody to buy cars for real money. Would you rather to not have an option for it at all?

Oh wow I’ve just seen purexbox is relaying Tom (console) Warren misinformation. This is bad but is very rare in PlayStation. Unlike on Xbox Most PS5 and PS4 games don’t need the internet to play.
Journalists should be ashamed spreading false info.

The typical super duper overreactions from people who don't even play the game.

“I want to make Gran Turismo 7 a game in which you can enjoy a variety of cars lots of different ways”
Then please adjust the car prices and the scale of the in-game currency reward, to let the player enjoy your masterpiece.
“…and if possible would like to try to avoid a situation where a player must mechanically keep replaying certain events over and over again.”
Wait, you mean the MTX encouraging the player to pay more and play lesser??
You build a game and find the way to avoid the player to play(challenge) it over and over again?
Are you serious?
GT is simulating we have to drive or challenge an event, a track or even just a corner again and again to sharpen the driving skill, or Yamauchi is simulating the rich guy will have an advantage?
Well, I may say your Racing Simulator is too realistic.XD

@sanderson72

Sony shows now their future plans with all the live service games which are coming. Sony is not for the players anymore.

What you get in GT7 without spending any real money is truly phenomenal... Best console racer to date. Head and shoulders above the competition...

@suikoden
I prefer cartoonish racing games with items to smack onto opponents than ultra realistic racing games.

No Poly you have just nerfed the rewards in some races to even less now to push people more towards MTX.

So if they want to reflect the real world value, do we get trade-in values? Does that involve NFTs? Leasing options, same-as-cash incentives? 0% terms? What's the the interest rate on a 3 year? Does that involve Spartacus?

If I want to play video games with economies that reflect real world values, I'll play Planet Coaster. Which was just free on PS+.

I should have waited and bought this game a year from now for half the price and double the content.

@eagletrippin eh no worries man, keep selling Returnal to people! You're doing God's work.

@gollumb82 There nothing wrong with a little hard to work to earn a car. I worked my butt in rl to buy my brand new Mustang GT at the young age I am. But I also don't want to waste my day away grinding to get CR to drive it in game. Lmao

It called finding balance, so that grinding doesn't become a second job.

Then why do they not let you sell the cars as you could in older games? Surely that’s more reflective of real world value? And have some cars gone down in value too, as they must have done in real life?

I think this game just isn’t quite ready. They have an idea of keeping people playing for years (even though most people want to have every car very quickly) but they don’t have the live events and such ready yet to show people they won’t need to grind the same old content and credits will just come naturally as you play new material…

@Ooccoo_Jr Forza will be my go to sim racer now unless they decide to go down the always online route aswell Sony can shove their drm up their ***

@get2sammyb I mean it's definitely the reason I didn't buy this game & am seriously reconsidering getting a ps5 because of this kind of stuff

@PhhhCough I was thinking the same thing lol

Fixed?!

F1-Bahrain GP + GT7 weekend is back on 😎🏁

Don't gamers play games to get away from real life things That is why not all real world stuff should be included in a game or games will get well expensive Just DROP the always online silliness PLEASE and let trying to build up your car collection fair PLEASE PD & SONY :-/

There should be no microtransactions on a 70 euro game, PERIOD.
Paid DLC and tracks would be way better than this...

@ApostateMage you say that for everything though, even if is something that deserves a negative reaction. So you want wall to wall positivity for good things Sony does and bad things?

This is a negative story because the folks at PD wanted it that way, they choose to make single player content require online just to get casual whales to mindlessly open their wallets (also sneaking the mtx after it was reviewed by everyone was terrible optics).

Unless you don't think that wasn't the case and there's a more heroic reason? If tomorrow cdpr announced you will now need constant internet to play Cyberpunk and shortly after implementation they did maintenance for a day what would the reaction be?

@MaseSco what the hell are you talking about? lol using subtitles to understand what game? i'll wait while you scramble to try to find a game that's like that and to play on xbox.

"if possible would like to try to avoid a situation where a player must mechanically keep replaying certain events over and over again."

Except by lowering the payout you're actually making people grind MORE. What, you think people are going to just stop playing and wait for new events to come out just to earn more credits to buy the vehicles they actually want to use? Come up with a better excuse.

@NEStalgia don't forget to buy insurance too!

@get2sammyb @pip_muzz I think aggravating people into not buying as many more copies and playing the game less is a more realistic idea. People really do overreact to this stuff though.

@ATaco GameStop has had me covered for years already!

I won't use my mtx cars, though. Depreciation on the nft trade-in value might be bad with decent mileage. Plus with the price of gas, the high octane fuels they take will eat through my PSN cash in no time.

@get2sammyb
If it was Polyphony's call I'm even more disappointed than I already was. But, I'll admit, it was an assumption on my part that the all came from the top because Sony has been talking up live service games. The entire industry has, to be fair to Sony, and I can't say I love this direction.

@Titntin FH5 literally throws cars and credits at you constantly. You know this.
Halo infinites microtransactions are for the f2p multiplayer game (not a £70 game). You know this.

@fybyfyby Gamers are not annoyed that there’s an option to buy cars with real money. They’re annoyed that a £70 game requires so much grinding to earn a single car (basically far longer grinding than previous GT games). Nobody should want an aggressive f2p model in a £70 game…and you should understand why that would be a bad thing going forward.

@Yaycandy Grid legends has been great fun online. I’m interested to know if the PlayStation version is cross play. I’m playing on my series x and making use of the free 10hour trial. I get put into games with Xbox players and pc players but have yet to see any PlayStation players. Maybe it’s because I don’t have the full game?

It wasn't 24 hours, it was over 32. Servers went off at 06:00 GMT and became accessible shortly before 15:00.the next day, so almost 33 hours without being able to play a game that cost me £90, initially I wasn't too bothered about the always online element, Sony and PD proved to me yesterday that I only paid for an extended rental, that ends when they say. Which is pretty much daylight robbery. After years of claiming the series is a labour of love and an homage to cars and motorsports PD have finally shown their hand. I'm in 2 minds whether or not to pack everything up, take it to cex tomorrow and trade it in for a GPU for my PC. PC games are cheaper and more accessible, after all.

@LiamOliver why did you do it tho if you knew this game will rip you off?

For 90 quid I can buy several games in a sale that will give me more value against a game that robs you blind 🙄🙄

@huyi When I pre-ordered in December there was no mention of any of this. We knew there would be MTX, they started in GT5, but there's a difference between pennies to a couple of quid per car to what they want now. Most people (probably naively, but myself included) expected something like popping the game into their console and playing the single player elements as they did with Gran Turismo through GT4, there is absolutely no logical reason for a mandatory online connection to play any part of the single player component of this kind of game, and they've proven why it's such a terrible idea.

as some one that got the game a few days early ( thanks amazon for doing that ) , i've been enjoying this game a lot. making money is very easy in game.

Nothing was communicated of the delay, and nothing was offered because of the delay.

Such a shame. I will see what Gamestop will give me for trade in, if I do not feel that it is worth it....I bought the 25th Anniversary...I will just sell it on E-bay.

I admit I got burnt buying an always online game, but it will never happen again.

Hmmm, after some research I realized that the MTXs are really quite egregious. Cars cost millions of credits and you get measly thousands of credits per race. The two races that had their rewards increased was just fixing a glitch. I am sure somebody somewhere must have calculated how ridiculously long it would take to buy all the cars you want with 400 different cars, especially when some of them are invitation-only or in rotation.

All of this just makes the experience of the game too complicated and frustrating. The game should be about obtaining your dream cars, tuning them to your heart's desire, and having fun racing, crashing, and burning. And not about grinding credits and micromanaging your income, savings, expenses, and funds just so you can finally buy a car and the parts you want so you can finally race properly.

@Pat_trick Go then. I own both and MS puts mtx in virtually every game. This is basically the only game Sony really puts micros in, but ya they are the devil. Also, I think this is more Polyphony than Sony HQ.

@Squanch This site is filled with reactionary dummies who talk up Xbox any time Sony does anything. Forgetting that most Sony games have no microtransactions at all.

@Bleachedsmiles FH5 is better at it than GT7 but the Forza 6 was insane for microtransactions, you know this.

@LiamOliver HAHA, over one stupid game. My god the people on here are nutbags.

@Juanalf They didn't sneak the mtx stuff in, it was there during review.

Everyone on here talking up Xbox, lets not forget that they released Halo Infinite unfinished, with no coop and no forge. Delayed them as well. Making the multiplayer F2P was not some genius, nice gesture. They stripped it from the 60 usd game and gave it to you with microtransactions. Also, Returnal is adding online coop before Halo and free DLC. So ya, Sony is the devil.

I don’t really get what the big issue is. If you complete the single player campaign you get a pretty large collection of cars, and quite a bit of money. Race more and you’ll earn more money.
If your goal is to collect all the cars then it’s a problem, but if you just want to race, you don’t need to spend anything.

@Martsmall in Forza it is so easy to earn cars thru in game rewards that I don't get why anyone would buy any.

@Coltaine22 that’s a different game to the one he mentioned isn’t it?

As a statement, I bought WRC 10 today and I absolutely love it.

i brought a steering wheel rig for this game and I'm glad i did the servers going down is a pain but that's life with online games (which this don't need to be) as for microtransactions its every gamer that has brought them on any game fault. battle passes are fine but giving them the slightest encouragement to make money out of you they will so skin, loot boxes and coin buyers its your fault and we reap what we sow

@ChromaticDracula yeah i got WRC10 when i got my ps5 a few months ago. Indeed its a great rally game.

I'm gonna be that guy, mtx are there if you want, you don't want don't buy simple !! Why not consider other people who ya know have a job a family do something other than play games and whine on forums all day, mtx allows them to play what they want after spending money on buying the game. Regardless mtx's are here to stay so just accept it and move rather than getting offended and butt hurt...side note I don't support mtx's but I can get past it and understand why

I've been playing the game with motion control steering with the dualsense from the start but since this latest patch, whenever I have to take a sharp right turn the car stops turning and crashes into the left side, this worked perfectly before, taking a sharp left is fine, just going right is almost like the dualsense is disconnected, I've tried my other dualsense (the fully charged one I have on standby) and that does exactly the same, tried rebooting the game and the ps5, but I'm guessing it's something they did in the patch, anyone else had this problem?

This is one of their fixes that I'm thinking could be the problem :
9. Physics Simulation Model
　- Adjusted the model to reduce the grip lost when cars with high downforce are passing over a kerbstone while cornering at its limit.

The new fifa you can only play at the level you can in real life “to reflect to skill and hard work you need to be a professional footballer” - it’s absurd his comment. You put it to any other game and you realise.

People would still say

“I love that I sit on the bench for the Dog and Duck and can’t get a game - it’s brilliant - I don’t use the MTX to play in premier league - I run up and down the touch line and wait - I understand those with a family and extra money want to pay to play in premier league though. I’ll get there one day. I’m hundred hours in and I’m almost RB for dog and duck. If you dont want to play the game it’s meant to be played don’t. I love how they’ve done it. This game was never about playing in premier league.”

The above is as ridiculous as people claiming Turismo was never about being able to buy cars.

@Mikey856 my thoughts exactly. I see gt7 as similar to pokemon go, you had to work to get em all in that, so why not the same in this game? The grind is part of the game. Its not meant to be finished in a week like horizon and such. No one forces anyone to buy mtx

@Bleachedsmiles So you think players should get all the cars in the beginning? I already have 50 cars, which I got for free by completing some story missions (and I still have ton of them ahead) and got nearly 1500000 credits for finished races. I really don't understand that "I have to spent lot of time in this game to get best cars".

@Korgon right on xD

Well, this solidifies my decision to not buy this for my GT loving step dad for father's Day. He'd be outraged when he sees the MTX. He hates MTX's.

It's such a frustrating age of gaming when we have this incredible hardware and the means to create truly engaging experiences and yet are constantly hammered by a need for companies to follow the dirge of cell-phone like transactions, even into this generation. Not every piece of software needs some long term endgame or grind. Such a tough balance though. Increasing production costs and time. A lack of direction. Corporate jellyfish ultimately serving investors. Very similar to the film industry! The hard truth? Games are only worth purchasing a year later.

@Titntin Wrong, you do not need to spend money in Halo or Forza 5 to buy weapons or cars, you DO in GT7. Their is a big difference in the approach, GT7 is like a free to play mobile racing game, only it’s also a £70 premium console game… it’s disgusting corporate greed from Polygon and Sony playing on its fans wallets.
The fact it’s single player campaign has to be always online to work is just icing on the mess of a cake they’ve made of GT7, which is a shame as it’s a legendary racing series, but greed has evidentially got the better of them now.

You wait an entire console generation for a new GT game and Sony still manage to find a way to ruin the experience. Bravo Sony.

@S1ayeR74
Im sorry, but I completely disagree. Ive been playing the game since release and earn cars with every single race, ive not felt any need at all to use a credit purchase option. To suggest you HAVE to spend money is hyperbole and shows you obviously have not played the game.
Dont get me wrong, the fact theres mtx in a sony first party title is an unwelcome suprise as there are not such options in the others, and I'd rather it was not an option, so you just grind like every gta before. But its NOT something you need to engage with to enjoy and play the game.
Ive no idea why people wish to grandstand in the way you are, the reaction is completely ott to the scale of the issue.... In my opinion of course. This is exactly the place to debate how we feel, is it not? I cant tell you are wrong, although you seem to think you have a hotline to the ultimate truth, but I can state I disagree with your viewpoint and tell you why, which is surely what these comments are for. The fact im not ready to dennounce Sony as an evil empire for this is my reaction and I feel its balanced and considered. If you feel like sony are evil for this, thats your view and I cant call a genuine view invalid no matter ott i feel it is.

Im going to carry on playing a brilliant game and hope that poliphony get the messaging and balance better than this statement comes across in the future.

@Bleachedsmiles I agree completely, as long as I can change a few words:
"GT7 literally throws cars and credits at you constantly. You know this.
Halo infinites microtransactions are a cynical ploy to exploit the many who bought a console for that game, unacceptable even for the f2p multiplayer game (not a £70 game). You know this."

Regardless of how ott I think the reactions are, I would prefer no mtx of course...

"I'm a terrible game designer who couldn't find a way to make the cars obtainable in a rare fashion so... please give me more money!"

@Kidfunkadelic83 nice! Yeah I think I played 1 or 2 on PS2 I forget which one it was but the physics have come A LOOONNNNGGG way since then. 10 is amazing so far. Glad you like it too!

@TitnTin very well said!

@fybyfyby You’re right! There is no problem here. I hope for your sake that Sonys live service £70 games going forward have similar grinding and microtransaction options. They’re not the games we need. They’re the games we deserve.

Also, bare one tiny consideration and ask yourself why they added to the grind of credits and aggressive microtransactions outside of the review copies…if there’s no problem with it. Other games have done similar…they don’t get a pass. Why should a Sony exclusive? …or have I answers my own question there?

@Titntin I’m super interested to know why you consider optional microtransactions in a f2p game on Xbox a ‘cynical ploy. But not microtransactions in a £70 game on PlayStation. Explain your thought process on reaching to even bring up FH5 and Halo infinite in a news story about GT7 as some desperate attempt to ‘balance’ negative feedback a Sony exclusive IP is getting…negative feedback that would actually benefit you if PlayStation take it onboard.
This is what I don’t get about you guys. To a big extent you’re entertaining in your relentless stupidity. But then I own a ps5 and don’t want the constant BS that has come with it…because it doesn’t benefit me. You defenders of BS benefit me entertainment wise but not financially. It’s a constant struggle.

Gt 8 might make us pay real money for cars so we will really understand the rarity and value...imagine paying real $500,000 for 1 car lol

@get2sammyb but for people like me who haven't yet bought it, but were planning to, its a big red flag.

Reviewers should go back and update their review and re-submit it to metacritic if they can. Regardless, I think this is going have consequences on the future sells of the game past the first month sells.

@Bleachedsmiles
"relentless stupidity" The moment you engage in personal insults you lose. I wont engage in sharing views with someone who cant debate. Good day.

@Titntin in that case…I’m sure in the long term I’ve won.

@Bleachedsmiles I don't know why MT werent on during review. But changing rewards for races is logical. They don't want to evereybody has all cars. And that's right. I don't want all of them, but have some favourite.

@naruball yeah, xbox still blows

@S1ayeR74 you talking out your ass. And its pollyphony not polygon, salty xbot

@bbauer36 Firstly it's auto correct that spelt their name wrong, and secondly nope sorry, not a salty Xbot as you proclaim, wrong on that one. But if you enjoy being fleeced blind of all your money thanks to corporate greed be my guest, I'll stick to my opinion thanks. Looks like your young and incredibly naive.

@Titntin Their greed is balanced? Is that what you are saying? I didn't call them evil I said it's corporate greed, which it is. A game that lacked in app purchases in review copies, releases full of them.
It's also a little confusing as on one hand you claim you don't need to grind to earn cars but in the other you do? But if it's no different to before, however I've seen many say it's not the same as before and you have to work harder to earn cars now. So it seems to be differing opinions on this game.
But in app purchases of cars should have no place in the game outside of DLC packs at reasonable costs. It to me sounds just like the mobile game Real Racing 3 which introduced the cost of buying a single in game car as the same as the 70 pounds they charge for GT7.
We will agree to disagree I think.
You also did not need to bring up Xbox games either that have nothing to do with GT7 other then you using it as an excuse to somehow paint Sony as good guys, rather then a company after all the money in your wallet.

@S1ayeR74
Thank you for not descending into the realm of personal insults, people are a little bonkers over the issue and looking for conflict where none should exist.
Both your self and @bleachedsmiles before you mis represent my position on this.

I DO NOT LIKE OR SUPPORT MTX IN GT7.
I have repeatedly stated this and it remains true, like all mtx in games, I don't want to see it.

I did mention some mtx in a couple of MS titles. This was not, as you and others have suggested, to somehow excuse or cover up Sony's mistakes here.
An early post suggested someone "was so upset with sony introducing mtx that they were going to jump ship to MS".
My reply was to state that 'sadly' this is an issue everywhere and gave the two examples I did of MTX being in the last two big MS titles too - it was to illustrate that we have this issue everywhere, not as an excuse to Sony.
Subsequent posts questioned whether those examples were bad MTX or not and I defended my position that they were just as unwelcome, but it was never to excuse mtx here.

In terms of grinding I did state that GT games have always involved grind to get cars. If anything I posted suggest different then I didn't make myself very clear, and just because I expect a grind to get the very best cars, does not give a company free pass to adjust the economy to push me towards mtx. I'm not unaware of the issue.

We actually agree on most of the points raised in this whole sorry saga. Our point of difference appears to be how outraged we are by this.
I take the view that this is yet another example of mtx where we don't want it, and all companies and publishers are bad at this.
You and many others feel that Sony is particularly awful for this and you are angry as a result.

We don't feel that different, its just the level of our reaction that seems to be different and that does not make us on opposite sides at all.
Thank you for being reasonable in your reply, even though you suspect I wish to defend the un-defensible.

Ugh, I was planning to get the game soon but now I see that I should rather NOT get it — screw that always-online approach! Makes no sense!

@Titntin A balanced reply, and in app purchases or MTX, whatever you want to call them, unfortunately are being forced on people. It’s the result of the mobile games market, developers found out they could data mine you and sell that information on, and make a killing on in app purchases in ‘free to play’ games. And they have been trying to repeat that same forums in premium titles ever since.
It is just plain simple greed at the end of the day, it’s what’s wrong with the world today, greed and selfishness is out of control, must offer value to share holders etc.
I only hope players refuse to buy the game, hurt them in the pockets as that is the only way to make them change it. The power of the customer can change the direction of business models if they can’t sell what they want to you to maximise profits.

@Slippship Communicating online but can carry on without vs required online, I believe.

@S1ayeR74 I really do not understand why people think anything is being force on them. Nothing is being forced on anyone.

If you're one of those folks who must collect everything, platinum it in a week and move on, I get you might have issues with GT7. But not all of us play that way, all games do not have to fit that profile and they should not. Or you're catering only to one type of player.

There's an awful lot of us who will pick up the game now and again, for an hour or so at a time, as we have limited time to play. So we're in no rush to collect everything and intend to enjoy it for months if not years. Sorry if that's an inconvenience but games have to be balanced to accommodate us as well.

Like everything, there is a balance to be struck with MTXs. It's not likely to be perfect from day one. If it proves to be cash-grab in a $70 game, well we put our money where our mouths are and not buy any more of their games. But it's been a couple of weeks for heavens sake, nothing has been proven other than how worked up people can get when they don't get what they want.