It looks like Sony has yet another bug to plug. Fans returning to the PS1 Classic re-release of Chrono Cross on PS3 and PS Vita this week – presumably propelled by the recent PS4 re-release – have discovered that a PlayStation Network bug is rendering the legendary RPG unplayable. And it’s not an isolated incident: while we’ve tried to replicate the issue on our own consoles without success, there are reports on forums and social media that others are affected.
Our first suspicion was that Square Enix may have yanked the title in favour of its new Chrono Cross: The Radical Dreamers Edition, similar to what Rockstar did with the old version of Grand Theft Auto prior to the GTA Trilogy’s launch. But it turns out this is much more likely an issue with Sony’s database: the consistent theme across all unplayable games is that their expiry dates have been reset to 31st January, 1969.
Kotaku found evidence of dozens of fans sharing the same issue, which all seems to relate to a complicated programming function called the Unix epoch. In as simple terms as possible, this is a tool that programmers use to parse the number of seconds from the date 1st January, 1970. Somehow, it seems, there’s a glitch in which content expiry dates are defaulting to the aforementioned Unix epoch, effectively rendering them unplayable.
But why do the games have expiry dates at all? Well, this was something that Sony integrated in order to help determine whether PS Plus games could be played. In essence, the way it’s supposed to work is that the expiry date is meant to align with your subscription ending, but clearly something has gone wrong here. It’ll be interesting to see whether the platform holder actually fixes this – especially considering it tried to unceremoniously shutter the PS3 and PS Vita storefronts last year.
[source kotaku.com]
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And this is exactly why I’m very worried about an all digital gaming future…
Don't worry, just pay sony your subscription every year forever then you can play classics!
Yeah...curious...along with Jim Ryan's comments from years ago saying in an interview unashamedly that his job was to make you buy the same game multiple times to give him revenue.
it's a conspiracy...
@mrtennis1990 not like your physical carts/discs are gonna last forever either. Everything has a shelf life...
@mrtennis1990 you should be worried about an all DRM future. Not too long ago both physical and digital copies of GT7 were unplayable because of its reliance on online servers. That's not a physical vs digital problem.
@Rural-Bandit I also went all digital around the same time. I haven't regretted it once. Only recently I started picking up a few Switch Carts just for space saving.
I recall this happened to a regular Vita game for me a few weeks back, restarting the Vita allowed it to sync again with Sony's servers and I was able to play the game.
"but clearly something has gone wrong here"
Yeah, Sony.
Remember, this the company that is currently screwing up next gen upgrades. They clearly don't think that far ahead.
Beware of digital games.
@Rural-Bandit "....i’m the same with music and movies also, Digitally all the way. I am happy physical still remains for those that enjoy it and need to have it in their hands to feel like they own something. But so many come off as its the superior way to buy and collect...."
Hear, hear.
I had something like this happen with GTA Chinatown wars. I got it to work a again by downloading a game that hadn’t reached its expiry date then re-download GTA CW after that it worked again. added bonus of the expiry date was now set to the year 24856
I’ve had a problem I can’t fix on my vita. When ever I try to play Rayman for PS1 on my vita, I get this error "Cannot access memory card"? But for all other games this isn’t a problem (even other ps1 classics I can play, it’s just rayman) does anyone please have any ideas how to solve it been trying for well over a year.
i heard this news yesterdy and immediately took out my vita. i was able to download all my ps1 classics without a hitch so not sure why this is impacting certain people and not others.
@Rural-Bandit I used to own an N64 and an SNES but after I moved they were mysteriously "lost" wether they truly got misplaced somewhere or someone stole them at some point during the move I'll never know...but I do know that I lost the two consoles, all my super Nintendo games and about half my N64 games. Needless to say, if I had them digital I would have only lost the consoles...
I can't also play hotline miami 2 (that I bought) on vita yesterday, I can play the first game though.
@Rural-Bandit i personally prefer physical over digital and not because i disagree with digital i just like my boxes..if a game needs a constant tinternet connection like diablo 2 then i'm more inclined to purchase the digital version as a physical online only release is useless once the servers go kaput..i'm not 100% sold on digital being much better for the enviroment because everytime i decide to play digital i'm firing up those servers to get my game running..single player offline games dont require the server to run if the tinternet is down..pros and cons for everything in the end no matter how we slice the cake,and praise the sun for options...while we still have them..
Yet more reasons for me to never trust Sony with digital purchases. Why on earth would they implement such an expiration date license system?????
Suikoden and Driver are the only PS1 titles I have currently installed, nothing suspicious about them so far.
Were any of the affected titles ever on PS+? Because it's much weirder that an expiry date would even show up on anything beyond that.🤔
@Richnj They're screwing up ps6 upgrades?
Difficult to believe that the physical vs. digital argument is still an ongoing thing. Buy what's best for you and don't take potshots at people who have different priorities. Simples.
@mrtennis1990
Well, physical discs won’t last forever anyway. Many of my PS1/2 discs don’t work. To go back further, many of my NES carts only work intermittently, and carts were even less prone to damage.
No, I’d go all digital tomorrow if getting a digital “license”, that you cannot trade or resell, wasn’t such a colossal rip-off compared to physical ownership.
@thefourfoldroot That's interesting. I've spent the last year or so revisiting a lot of games from my physical collection that goes back as far as the SNES/Megadrive era. I didn't find a single game that didn't still work perfectly. Not one.
People saying physical won't last forever, well maybe. But I guess I'm lucky that I have a big physical collection with a lot of game discs even going back nearly 30 years which still look like the day I got them.
No scratches or the fabled 'disc rot' that I've never ever seen, and they all work.
I was playing my physical copy of Dino Crisis 2 on my still working perfectly PS2 just recently.
I'm not knocking digital because I see the convenience factor and the space saving but as long as the option exists I can't bring myself to put the fate of my games in the hands of the platform holder.
And this scenario, while a possible bug, is the reason why.
Was having big problems with the online on my Vita earlier in the year, sorted it out butI am dreading taking my Vita out to check this! ='o
@LN78
Yes, well, 3 younger siblings and cds that can get scratched are not a great combination. As for carts, they do wear, But admittedly it could be my actual NES on the way out. I don’t have another to try the carts in. Either way though, the idea that physical media last forever is clearly not going to be true. Decentralised digital preservation with hard backup is the best way to go.
@thefourfoldroot Nothing lasts forever.
@LN78
Lol, true, but that doesn’t mean I’m about to go kill myself. Nor does it mean people / companies shouldn’t think about the best way to preserve gaming history for future generations.
CEX, those cheeky high street scalpers, are robbing people of £360 for the PS5 DOE edition, whereas the PS5 disc edition they're trying to rob people of £675.
People still want physical media, it seems!
@thefourfoldroot I wasn't talking in a "universal entropy" kind of a way! My point was that I think the argument that physical media is fragile and on its way to inevitable failure is slightly overstated based on my own first hand evidence. Of course it will stop working eventually. Everything does.
@jrt87 Yeah - collecting (as opposed to buying for the purposes of lending/trading in later) physical media beyond Gen 7 is (for the most part) pointless - the obvious exception being the Switch and even then downloads are frequently required if you want access to the complete product that you paid for.
@Medic_Alert NSO vouchers stopped in August 2019 for the US.
@LN78
True, but when talking about game preservation as I was (rather than for personal lifetime use), “eventually” is kind of the point…
@thefourfoldroot Apologies. I got the impression you were talking about our personal collections - "many of my NES carts only work intermittently" etc. I doubt anybody thinks it's a good idea to attempt to permanently preserve game code on perishable media, irrespective of how resilient it is. Monday morning crossed wires!
@LN78
No problem. I can see that justifying my thoughts based on my own personal experience could easily lead to tangled wires.
@thefourfoldroot So you were talking about your own collection and not game preservation in the broader sense? I'm deeply confused. Whatever.
@LN78
No. It’s ok. My posts are there to read again if you care about not being confused, but it’s not important everyone gets it.
@thefourfoldroot Well I've read them again and I can't tell which you're talking about - you switch from one (#31 and #35) to the other (#37 and #46). Like I said, whatever. It was my mistake. Enjoy your day.
@Rural-Bandit I don't mind digital at all I have my disc ps5 but issue I have is that may only be small right now but the likes of them closing down the store for older consoles which they decided not to in the end but look at it this way what stops them doing this in the future as they already removed Driveclub from the store so that makes this obsolete to people who bought the digital PS5 who cannot now purchase that while this is an example they seem to leave behind digital players to a certain extent.
I prefer having both options for a few reasons and I do like the digital sales they have done which are sometimes better than a shop as well as if you can get vouchers cheaper that also saves money too.
I hope both long exist for a very long time or they make sure if they go digital they do not remove anything and invest more so they don't have to.
@Krysus are you not afraid they could pull more games like they did with Driveclub from the store by being only digital?
Just a bug??? AWW, start looking for another negative story gaming media (mainly some YouTube channels just loved this story) Sorry guys you were wrong AGAIN
@ATaco atleast the expected life expectancy of blu ray discs are 100 years. And cartridges that don’t have an internal battery even longer.
Digital is as long as the servers are up and I doubt servers will stay up for 100+ years. 20+ years is even a maybe when it comes to sony and nintendo.
The 60's were the best PlayStation decade. After 1970 it all went downhill. I blame Game Boy.
Sony really doing their best to look bad. Not sure if all their PR team have been on a long holiday/sacked or a just suddenly rubbish but they certainly seem to be burning all their good will with the wider gaming audience and media.
Hopefully they’ll fix it
I would expect Sony to delist all retro/classics line very soon.
Then you can only get them by subscribing, like Nintendo Online offerings.
Virtual Console and Classics line are basically done. Soon only MS will sell old games.
this is why i prefer my discs.
ive games library from the PlayStation 1 , original Xbox to todays games,
recently cleaned my Nintendo 64 and games
zelda majora's mask il find that fairy this time lol
Nothing curious about why it is happening.
I’m all digital on Switch and 50/50 on PS5. I purchase single player games on disc whenever possible but all multiplayer games are digital.
Easy solution = get the games and the machines in actual version. No PS+ subscription needed. Just play with your Retro games and machines.
Besides having original PS1 discs - I have this Chrono Cross and a bunch of other games loaded onto a USB stick with Autobleem on a PS1 classic. Doubling the Classic's resolution in Autobleem to 640x480 makes the games look better too.
If Sony takes your stuff away.. there's always the internet to get it back from.
Sony is so behind when it comes to everything online and digital.
@Rural-Bandit
You make all the points behind my originally going all Digital. I only in the last 2 years started a very small Physical collection for two reasons, my kids both have switch-lites and I'll be damned if I'm gonna buy 3 copies of Mario Odyssey or Smash Bros and secondly, my collection is stupidly large on Switch and out of caution for space I wanted some games on Cart. I keep all those carts either in my small case which is always in my backpack or my kids have them. But all your points are perfectly valid. I take my bug out bag with me to work every day and never worry about my games getting thieves or melted.
Sidenote: You make a great point about the undervalued Nintendo Store points system.
@hoffa007 I dunno, Driveclub still works. You just can't buy it or play it online. I'm more concerned with the vagarious nature of digital license 'ownership'. I recently had to 'renew' all my movie and tv licenses thru XBL for my baby Surface (total pita). That's just weird. There is no standard or regulation controlling digital licensing. It seems the entire digital world is evolving into an always online license check. So we end up going backwards. There is something to be said for the semi-permanent nature of physical ownership. Although it means far less now with the necessity of day 1 patches. My favorites are the (very rare) physical cartridges that still run entirely on the 1.0 version or cart only version. I think I have like 4 total lol.
It's a problem outlook had too with the overflow of the Unix epoch style dates. We have known this would have happened for years, at the time it simply wasn't a problem to be worried about.
I'd imagine it will get fixed.
It's not an evil plan from Sony to take your games away, just like it wasn't an evil plan from Microsoft to avoid having your searching your inbox...
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