The Assassins Creed franchise spans the length and breadth of human history, and fans love to speculate where and when the next entry will take place. Earlier today, we were given more food for thought on the matter.
Bloomberg's Jason Schreier has reiterated his earlier reporting, refuting a possible Aztec setting:
“The next AC game is Rift, which is set in Baghdad.” said Schreier. “After that will be AC Infinity, and while that’s going to include a bunch of different games/experiences/biomes/whatever you want to call them, I’ve heard about the main two and neither of them are Aztec.”
Schreier made this comment in a Reddit post discussing Jeremy "ACG" Penter's claim on Twitter that the next Assassin's Creed title would feature an Aztec setting.
We heard whispers of Rift earlier this year thanks to Schreier's own initial reporting. The tasty tidbit that Rift will see Assassin's Creed Valhalla's own Basim Ibn Ishaq return as the protagonist of a smaller, more stealth-focused title was backed up by Eurogamer.
It's worth noting that the Aztec setting, while intriguing, would not line up chronologically if Basim was to be featured as the protagonist unless some kind of time travel or Animus shenanigans were involved. Valhalla is set during the 870s CE, whereas the Aztec Empire was not founded until half a millennia later, in 1428.
Baghdad, which is the capital of modern-day Iraq, was the capital of the powerful Abbasid Caliphate during the early medieval time period in which Valhalla takes place, and is where Basim was born. It would be a fascinating setting to explore, taking the series back to its roots, and makes logical sense when you consider Basim's own personal history.
Here hoping we get official confirmation of Rift during the Ubisoft Forward showcase scheduled for September.
What do you think of Penter's claim, and Schreier's rebuttal? Where do you think the Assassin's Creed franchise will go next? Let us know in the comments section below.
[source reddit.com, via bloomberg.com, psu.com]
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Japan? Why dont they do that.
Where ever the franchise goes and whatever direction it takes people will moan and complain...i really like the direction the last 3 games have taken and they turned me back onto the franchise and if i actually ever get round to finishing origins and valhalla off maybe i'll give the others a go on extra..any reccomendations with which is the best of the picks?
@Flaming_Kaiser oooh i like it..maybe set in a more contempory setting with rival yakuza clans? That would be really epic..
They're both wrong rift is going to take place in Ohio in the mid 2000s.
"...A smaller, more stealth-focused title" is what I'm really interested in. Although the setting is very intriguing.
@Flaming_Kaiser India would be good as well.
I don’t care much about the Twitter Gods fighting above us poor common but that makes me think I’d like a game using ideas from the Riftwar fantasy novels setting 😅
Indonesia during the Dutch/Japanese Colonization could've been a great setting since Guerilla Warfare was used to fight against the invaders and it involves stealth, sneak attacks, espionage etc. which suits the Assassins' style.
I'd love a Baghdad setting. The holy land setting of the first game is part of what made it so special and unusual. Origins captured that a little again. I'd love more of the medieval middle east setting
Mostly tough I just want my assassin's games to be about stealth. The whole premise of the entire series. The intro video of 1 should be the rubric for the series really. Imagine how we could have that level of stealth play on the new consoles in real time? I have Valhalla, haven't played it yet, but every time I hear it's not stealth it moves back in my backlog.
@Northern_munkey Which ones have you played already and which do you like/dislike?
@IndoorEnthusiast isn't that just far cry 5? 😆
I hope Rift is a real project. After finishing Valhalla Basim was a character I wanted to see more of in the future. Plus a return to a stealth focus set in Baghdad sounds really cool.
Origins was alright. Odyssey was disappointing. Valhalla got me back into AC so hopefully it's all good from here on out!
@NEStalgia i played the first 2 games on the xbox360 many moons ago..i dabbled with part 3 but my god it was a bit of a chore and i gave up..i lost the will to live..i have not played any of the others up until origins etc..
@NEStalgia i find valhalla can be played either way..i would say its got more scope to let your imagination run riot..dont be put off by others lack of imagination or impatience..
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@Bismarck cheers for the wake up call buddy..as always your input is much appreciated👍
@Northern_munkey You should know the truth. We all need that from time to time.
@Bismarck You again? Man, you're relentless I'll give you that!
One of those gamers out to save their fellow gamers from their 'poor' choices or just an insufferable and repetitive bore? I'll let the people decide.
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I don't like Valhalla either but let people play what they want, without judgement from the likes of you. It's got to stop, this self-righteous arrogance. Try and be a bit more positive, perhaps. Go on, give it a try at least.
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A smaller, more linear and stealth-focused AC game would be very welcome. Setting is almost irrelevant. Or they just go back in time and remake the first one. It could definitely be improved!
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@Col_McCafferty i agree he is pretty boring but its his choice to be an insufferable miscreant..speaking of time spent well hows the fishing going? I've taken this week off as its the 150th open from st andrews and i'm maximising my golf at the course too while the weathers really good..catch me a winner 👍
This but do Baghdad in 2004. A modern setting ie the illegal war Blair sent us into, would make a change for the series.
@Northern_munkey fishing? I think you might have me confused with someone else
Only fishing I have ever done is in video games!
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Yeah, maybe we should all just put him on ignore.
@Bismarck 🤦🤦🤦
Horizon series is fantastic, wtf are you going on about?
You think that game was made by lazy developers? Are you nuts?!
Every game borrows from something else or is built upon that which came before. It's more that there are types of games that you don't like but others do. Let them enjoy these games and you enjoy what you do. The idea that we as a gamers need to be up in arms over everything, all the bloody time is exhausting.
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@Northern_munkey If you're still looking for suggestions I'd recommend Black Flag. That's my favourite AC followed by Origins.
@Col_McCafferty i think i may have confused you with another poster who has a similar avatar..my bad..
He was probably talking about Armored Core, not Assassin's Creed.
@Eldritch cheers i'll put it on the list of must try..👍
@Col_McCafferty i did indeed mistake you for my friend rural_bandit..apologies..
Would be crazy to see AC 2077 with the likes of Johnny Silverhand wielding that flip-dagger thingy
@Bismarck wrong, wrong, wrong. As I said, ALL games made are inspired by something that came before. They all borrow certain elements and traits from each other, just like any other medium. HFW is a fantastic game and looks and plays very differently from Valhalla, it really does. The core combat is proof of this. You need to stop your 'crusade' to 'save' gamers and gaming and just enjoy what you do enjoy, it's really that ***** simple.
@Northern_munkey oh no, you mistook me for him? The MS fanboy? Oh how could you!
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I'm sure I had this avatar first. It's mine I tells ya!
@Col_McCafferty Wrong. Both games are cut from the same cloth. The UI, Quest design and everything else I mentioned before are identical. 0% originality. 100% laziness.
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Still no Japan 🤦
@Flaming_Kaiser For years people have been asking for that one and I always felt like the only one that didn't want it. lol. I suppose it would be fine to have for the setting as long as there's no Samurai. With Ghost of Tsushima being a thing now, we don't need AC doing it or it could burn us out and won't hold up.
@Teddie-bear Yeah, I was going to mention Ghost of Tsushima too. If Ubisoft made AC Japan it would probably be a bloated, 200+ hour slog with a nonsense story.
That’s what made GoT so refreshing. It was everything I wish AC was (and everything it isn’t, sadly).
8 century Baghdad was the centre of the golden age of Islam this is going to be so interesting. I havent played an ac game since unity but I may be intrigued to try this as it also takes the franchise back to its roots finally.
Is Basim still not quite himself canonically?
Intrigued for a follow on either way, even despite the story being an absolute cluster to follow/remember 😅
It would vary a bit from regular assassin's creed games because the person accessing the memories of ancient Baghdad (memories of his life as a master assassin pre Valhalla dates, maybe???) would be the same(ish) person that was in the modern side of the story too.
This would also build on the 2 characters that span timelines, right?
Ignoring the convoluted ACness I'd love to see a really detailed city setting, and learn more about another culture.
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They made a game for all places around the world, but didn't make one for Persia which is basically the place that assassins group got created.
@Col_McCafferty we all have our faults 🤪
They need to:
I’d be well up for this. Hope it’s real.
So it will have similar feeling to the first game, hopefully not as repetitive tho
@gigiard nobody cares about the period you described, ac titles need a place with great and deep history, nobody cares about indonesia's history let along in a dutch/japanese war there
@Ah-Void pretty sure origins indicated the assassins were created in egypt.
@OthmaneAD
I think @Ah-Void means the actual assassin's from real Persian history. And it would be good to see Persia in the AC universe.
I think there was maybe some Persia DLC in Odyssey? But I rarely play AC DLC, so I might have to go back and see what it was.
@Northern_munkey
"maybe i'll give the others a go on extra..any reccomendations with which is the best of the picks?"
Im a huge fan of black flag. The ship combat and traversal was great.. its better than ive seen from skull and bones despite the extra years they have spent. Its a decent story too, and it has real pirate sea shanties, so it cant be beat!
Well worth a try on extra... I hope you try it and enjoy.
@Titntin thats 2 votes for black flag..will try it out as soon as i mop up origins..cheers 👍
@OthmaneAD this is a nonsense comment to make..the indonesian revolution was a very important part of history and shaped a lot of future events..it was so unimportant and insignificant enough to involve the netherlands,the usa,england and other countries because its such a key area to have control over...yeah i'm sure nobody gave two squirts over indonesia..🤦♂️
Hmmm ... is Sinbad now inappropriate?
@OthmaneAD the assassins originated from persia and syria..not too good on history are you eh?
AC3 gets a lot of flack but I personally enjoyed it as much as any in the series. Good choice of period and looked great, with the homestead being a nice task building side thing.
Out of curiosity, have the last 3 games retained the Animus element, and parts of the games played out in the present day?
@Fiendish-Beaver yes they have..
Ideal. Thank you, @Northern_munkey...
My only question would be do I really want to play as a villain from the previous game?
@BritneyfR_ee Exactly! Wouldn't feel the same at all. If they want to go with Japan then they need to make it different so it's not seen as a poor effort GoT-clone. If they did Japan then the Samurai would make a better enemy to assassinate than it would be as the protagonist and make it a stealthy focused game not one we fight head on
Maybe China could be a good option as the great wall could fit into an open world
@TheIdleCritic I remember Ubisoft said the same after 'Odyssey'.. And then we got Valhalla, the most bloated action based AC yet ..🙄
@Teddie-bear actually china is a brilliant idea and could potentially be a really good series in its own right..China has such a rich history that the potential for an epic story could be endless..the han dynasty,the three kingdoms,the mongol war and anything during or after the ming dynasty..i'm getting ahead of myself a bit here lol..
Ubisoft should set it on persia with new protagonist, maybe a prince or something. And get rid of the templar, assassin, and modern time storyline. And make it more magical.
Bring back Desmond and the apple plot , Desmond migrated in to the animus? who knows thats the assassin's creed i want!
er burn down abstergo industries!???
and how dare the templar kidnap assassin descendants???.... and what not?
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fictional characters and settings but like the xfiles poster i want to believe 🤣😂
I hope it's not Aztec because I like Basim and I liked his hostile takeover in Valhalla's post-game. Never wanted a Japan one. They have Ninja there we don't need another ninja game. Wait for Tenchu to return.
It has mystified me for years why the Ezio crybabies keep whining about the last few games. They could not do the same formula forever they needed a franchise reboot. I saw no issue with a more action oriented style, and having a massive map of Egypt, Greece, England was amazing. AC 1 wasn't even that good but some tried to say it's better than post Origins games.
Valhalla was my favourite Assassin's Creed but I have basically zero interest in a Baghdad game and I honestly forgot about Basim until this article reminded me so I'm okay for this I think
@PoeticJustice Right on the nose mate, I agree with all the fields you posted. The games are too big and the story feels bloated and unfocused, Valhalla is the worst of them on that front.
Also, not using one character, while it still being a character kinda robs the narrative of it's focus (in my opinion). I prefer that they just give us an established character.
Regarding the setting, I would actually like to have one in Lisboa, we could go back to proper assassins vs templars, and even though Rogue starts there, it was far too short of a segment.
September? LOL, its Ubi, we wiil have 10 leaks between now and then.
@BritneyfR_ee @Victor_Meldrew @Flaming_Kaiser Still boggles my mind that we never got an AC Japan game.
I imagine the problem now in doing one is it would be similar to Ghost of Tsushima.
@Athrum I agree on the multi character thing. In Odyssey I'm glad I went for Kassandra, but it kind of puts out other people who didn't choose her when she is the canon character. Just for the sake of losing potential sales to people who might not want to play as a strong female lead 😅
I don't mind it as much in Valhalla, because there is a narrative behind it if you accidentally pick the male character 😅 Again I chose Eivor (or the animus choice as it's listed) because that is the correct character, but it is fairly well (although could be better) explained that the Male form is actually Havi, and the animus has got the visual and audio recreation mixed up with Odin bleeding through into Eivor.Because we have to remember we're not actually roleplaying and living the events we see, we're experiencing what has already transpired through the magic of the animus.
I do enjoy Ubisoft open world's, because a large part of the story being told is the actual world around you, so I don't mind roaming around doing not much of anything because it adds to the immersion for me. But they could definitely improve on narratives within the world's to make it less of a chore for others. And I'd be up for a much stronger, more emotionally complex and dramatic story being told in their games. But they aren't bad storylines.
I said it before and I'll say it again, just hope they keep making big open wolrds ala Origins too.
I don't really care too much about Baghdad, but maybe they'll surprise me. Would be cool to choose the gender of the assassin like in Odyssey and Valhalla.
I don't like Basim I don't like how he tricked that girl at the end at all.
@Northern_munkey It sounds like we have possibly similar AC opinions.
I can't remember which ones are on Extra and which are on Game Pass, so I might get you interested in one that's not scheduled for Extra soon, but my opinions of the major games running down the list are:
(1 and 2 you've played - 1 my favorite, 2 I really like)
3: I agree, it was a chore. I didn't like much about it, it didn't feel like an AC game, punished stealth, had no verticality. They said they fixed some of that in the remaster, but we both probably played the original, and both disliked it.
4: It's a pretty cool pirate adventure game. It can get repetitive with the ship looting, but I can't think of another game that gets the pirate adventure right, fairly historically grounded, and still remains fun. But it's not a great AC game. It feels like a spinoff or different series. A good game in its own right, just not really an "AC" game much at all, and the AC parts stuffed in feel like they are forced and don't belong. I like the game, but I don't share the overhype some give it. If you think of it as "the cool Ubi pirate game" and not "AC4" you'll like it much more.
Syndicate: Actually pretty good. The stealth focus returned. What they did after creating a rift in the fanbase with 3 (that forewent meaningful stealth in favor of open brawling, often mandatory), was a split protag. Evie was the Altair/Ezio stealth character with stealth related upgrades. Jacob was the Connor character that focused on brawling. Some missions you pick your character. Some missions force one. Though ironically one of the best stealth missions in the whole series is a Jacob mission for reasons I don't get. Some repetitive aspects, but I think you'd like that one. Currently broken on PS5 I believe, but it sounds like it'll be working soon. I definitely think you'll like that one.
Unity: I haven't actually played it beyond the first hour yet. At launch it literally wouldn't even load on a PS4, so it got put waay back on my backlog. It was the Cyberpunk of its day. What I've seen, I really like, and hearsay tells me I'll continue to like it, but I don't have much personal commentary on it, unfortunately.
The minor entries:
2- Brotherhood is good. 2-revealations is not good. Liberation is mixed, it's good, but it's limited as a Vita title. Rogue is different but generally good.
And the new ones you've played.
Origins: Definitely a favorite, I still have to finish it up now that the 60fps patch is out.
And thanks for the tip on Valhalla. Just because it's such an enormous game it'll probably still sit on my backlog, but my dread about it is that from what I've heard, I picture it as more of 3 and I definitely never want more of 3. Connor can suck and egg. Since you like Valhalla and also dislike 3, it sounds better than I pictured from the reports.
If you're a fan of 1 and 2 and origins, and dislike 3. I'd say Syndicate will be a solid entry for you (once they get it working on PS5.) Probably Unity as well, but I can't comment on that yet. I'd soft-recommend 4, as a worthwhile game, just view it as a spinoff and it's good.
Actually, in hindsight the TLDR is that 3 is the low point for the series...the really lowest point. So, literally, everything else is better. Except Revelations.
@Flaming_Kaiser Would it look as good or have as much attention to detail as Ghost Of Tsushima? Probably not, their game would also be constantly compared to it.
@NEStalgia valhalla is really good..play it how you want..massive though..
A true assassin hides in plain sight.
@PoeticJustice it feels like this game will have a lot of that. but i never worried too much about mt's , they were always 100% optional. i'd rather they give players the choice or not , and if they want to buy stuff then why not.
@Northern_munkey what open world are they gonna do? what monuments? what significant cities? it's a normal war in a place of the world with no historical significance or historical monuments (i looked at indonesian monuments they're mostly statues lol, compare that with the greek era or origins and yeah...) also that's set after WWII, an ac title won't fit with that era, it may be watch dogs by then lmao
@Northern_munkey i guess you didn't play ac origins dlc then
@OthmaneAD i wasnt bothered about the setting..its the fact you just ignorantly dismissed indonesias history..what would you think if people dismissed moroccan history? Saying nobody cares about it is just plain stupid..
@OthmaneAD no not yet..still playing the main story..
@OthmaneAD Hassan-i Sabbah founded the sect of the assassins in 1090 in persia then branched out into syria..not egypt..dont try to rewrite history to fit your narrative..
@Flaming_Kaiser AC Japan would be kind of boring. Not exotic enough imo because Japan is really well known.
@Areus India was technically already done, though smaller scale.
@Ravix He was never himself, Basim is long gone by the events of Valhalla. I read this is a prequel so i'm guessing we will see how Basim died and how Loki was reborn.
@Northern_munkey In Origins the "Assassin's" are created, they go by the name "Hidden Ones" as the name Assassin doesn't exist yet but in the universe of AC the Assassin's are born in Egypt hence why the game is called AC Origins.
@WallyWest well ok for the purposes of the games story which is obviously fictious i can get with that but in reality its not historically correct is it...its like that movie where the americans cracked the enigma code when it was actually the british..
@twitchtvpat - that's a fair point - although I'd argue the complete addition of valhalla is £117.99 RRP. I think after somebody pays that kind of money you shouldn't expect paywalls for the little stuff.
And if it is included they should allow a path to purchase them in-game. That would be more fair.
And also remember they waited a month before releasing microtransactions to avoid negative reviews. Slightly underhanded in my opinion.
@Titntin @Northern_munkey If you like Black Flag, try Rogue as well. It's certainly a change in the normal. It builds upon the naval warfare, and your given a few new customizable features.
@Ilovecoffee Are you for real the old Japan would be bloody awsome.
Love this type of game. Iv dunk 130 hours in it so far and still not done all the areas. Plus I have Dawn of ragnorak to start too
@Northern_munkey oh yes that old chestnut 😂😂
@KidBoruto It also would make it a issue that the quality would have to be high after GoT.
@Juanalf I know what you mean they cant pull ***** like broken quests that are broken for months after the release thats for sure.
@twitchtvpat Player choice with MT but somehow they put in boosters for XP i dont believe a full priced game should have them and certainly not free to play mechanics.
@Areus Stealth assasins is Japan for me but thats me.
More stealth, more story heavy not to big and long and no liveservice, NFT, MT but that wont happen. Ok maybe no NFT's.
@Flaming_Kaiser Fair point, it's gonna be hard for an AC Japan game to come close to GoT's quality and accuracy/immersiveness.
@KidBoruto Thats also a big issue with liveservice you cant really make a game streamlined so the story will probably suffer along the way.
I can understand that making a story with a clear beginning and ending a lot easier. Its like shorter series i love series that are not to long look at the Haunting of Hillhouse 2 not to many episodes and not to long with a clear path great.
Sony firstparty titles not to long just great fun and high quality just the same. Ubisoft games with way to much filler real timesinks. A big world does not make a game better the same goes for 100+ hour games bigger isnt always better.
If someone says i played this game for plus 100 and says it gave me a lot of value because of the gametime i always think. Thats not saying a lot if you give me something like cool characters, story or gameplay thats a selling point.
Its like AC Syndicate i loved it but if they cut out all the timewasters and combined the game with the expansions strorywise it would have been so much better.
Especially Evie saved the game for me and i will probably say something people dont all agree with. I believe cutting Jakob and making him less playable or giving him his own game would have enhanced the game a lot.
@Flaming_Kaiser Agreed! if a game is gonna take me 100 hours, I expect there to be alot more story cutscenes.
Also robust gameplay is still important.
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