I absolutely loved Elden Ring. My relationship with FromSoftware’s rise into the mainstream has been, well, complicated. Many forget that the Japanese studio has been knocking around PlayStation platforms since the days of King’s Field, where it was resolutely considered a B-tier developer at best. Even with the remarkable Demon’s Souls, the story goes that the incumbent PS Studios honcho Shuhei Yoshida decided against publishing the title globally – a mistake it would eventually rectify with Bluepoint’s outstanding PS5 remake.
But for me it wasn’t really until Bloodborne that the series captured my attention; I’ve since been back to those original Dark Souls and I appreciate them, but the discourse of impossible difficulty and insurmountable odds turned me off at the time. I’ve since come to learn that the Souls saga is nowhere near as punishing as the marketing would lead you to believe, and even as a very average player I’ve managed to overcome most of the games – including the recent Elden Ring.
I thought FromSoftware handled the transition to open world remarkably well, and there are several unforgettable moments in Elden Ring that cement it as one of my PS5 favourites for sure. Ultimately, I was comfortable with the fact that it had already won Game of the Year all the way back when it released in February – after all, what could possibly topple it? Maybe if Nintendo had released The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom, there could be competition, but that inevitably got delayed. Again.
All of the time, God of War Ragnarok was little more than an afterthought to me. I’ll be honest with you: I wasn’t looking forward to Santa Monica Studio’s sequel at all. In fact, if you look back as far as late September in our staff Slack chats, you’ll find comments from me where I was pretty indifferent about the release. My view was that, in pre-release promotions, it just hadn’t looked very interesting. Personally, I’m not that fussed about Norse mythology, and while I thoroughly enjoyed 2018’s God of War reboot, I still wouldn’t really put Kratos on par with some of my favourite PlayStation characters, like Nathan Drake and Ellie.
Don’t get me wrong, I expected a high-quality game, but I just didn’t think it would come close to dethroning Elden Ring. No chance. I now know that Santa Monica Studio was actually keeping everything tight to its chest. It’s remarkable, even now on the eve of the game’s release, how little the studio’s shown. I’m not going to go into specifics, because we’re obviously not in a habit of spoiling games here at Push Square, but I still don’t think fans are quite prepared for what they’re about to experience.
But I don’t want to oversell it, as I do think there’s a danger with these big releases that the hype gets so strong it’s impossible for the finished product to live up to expectations. I’m just trying to paint a picture of where my head was at when I embarked on my adventure in Ragnarok: I just didn’t think it was going to come close to being a Game of the Year candidate. A few weeks later, I think Elden Ring has real competition. Like, serious competition. In fact, if anything, I think recency bias means God of War may have the edge.
And the series has form for this. Cast your mind back to 2018, when many assumed Red Dead Redemption 2 would waltz away with all the plaudits, only for God of War to eventually get the nod. The thing is, this new game is so much better than its predecessor – yes, it couldn’t exist without it, but it’s effectively an improvement in every single department. The only thing you could really meaningfully criticise is that it is, at its core, more of the same – but seeing as they rebooted the franchise in the previous entry, it was never going to be as revolutionary anyway.
Look, at the end of the day, I don’t really care who wins Game of the Year. If it’s Elden Ring, then it’s a worthy winner; if it’s God of War Ragnarok, then fantastic, too. All I’m trying to say is, I think there’s legitimate competition for the top gong now, and I wouldn’t have predicted that five or six weeks ago. You may have a different opinion entirely: maybe you love Horizon Forbidden West or Bayonetta 3 or something else entirely. All I know is that when Geoff Keighley steps onto the stage of The Game Awards in his obligatory ostentatious sneakers on 10th December, only two titles will be locking horns – and y’know what, I don’t think Elden Ring has this in the bag anymore.
What is your current Game of the Year frontrunner, and where do you expect God of War Ragnarok to rank? Be sure to check out our God of War Ragnarok PS5 review and God of War Ragnarok guide for much more on Sony’s latest, and let us know in the comments section below.
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We all know that Nickelodeon Kart Racers 3 is this year's game of the year.
So Elden Ring is far and away my current game of the year. That being said though, if Ragnarok sticks its landing I could see it overtaking Elden Ring for me. As much as I adore ER it really did stumble in its third act. The whole mountaintop of the giants section was a bit of a slog to get through. If Ragnarok ends on a high note I could see it dethroning Elden Ring for sure
Almost no one here will have played this yet to make the determination of whether it will be GoTY. I, like you, also thought Ragnarok couldn’t touch Elden Ring. But I’ll have to wait and see what I think after having played both.
Right now Elden Ring isn’t just my GoTY but it’s one of my favorite games of all time.
I wouldn’t be surprised I thought Elden Ring was overrated. I didn’t finish it I got bored. Looking forward to GOW when I can pick it up cheaper.
Half the reason Ragnarok will beat out elden ring is the accessibility and the other half cause its probably gonna be insane
I always thought it had a shot… and with the reactions to it being what they are I think it’s kinda looking like GoWR might have the slightest of edges heading into the home-straight.
Either way I’m thrilled with gaming in 2022… what a year!
What are the chances that I can convince everyone here that Return to Monkey Island is the genuine Game of the Year?!
GoW has a lot of spectacle but not so much substance. Beautiful, great voice acting, interesting story but the gameplay is simple and the level design is very limited. Also, climbing sections.
Elden Ring has way more depth put into its gameplay mechanics, there are so many options on how to fight and where to go and how to develop your character.
I think that if you like a story focused game with solid but limited gameplay GoW is your game of the year.
If you like very in depth mechanics with many options for character progression and ways to complete the game with very little handholding Elden Ring is your game of year.
They're completely different games that appeal to completely different tastes.
Elden ring is the best game of its genre i've played. Diablo 3 is my personal favorite in that genre. God of war is a different game altogether so i expect it to be the best in that genre..i dont think i can even begin to compare god of war with elden ring but i'm sure its going to be an amazing experience which i'll be starting tomorrow evening..
What is your current Game of the Year frontrunner, and where do you expect God of War Ragnarok to rank?
Elden Ring and it is impossible for any other game this year to top that. That said, I don't care about those awards at all. Imagine being mad as a consumer about another game getting an award. The GOTY award could go to Jumping Taco for all I care, lol. I've played a couple of hours of Ragnarök and so far, I am definitely enjoying it.
@pip_muzz none
I'm happy it sounds like it turned out so great! I'm definitely in a similar place going into God of War. I'm looking forward to it but I'm not really dying to play it.
So far my favorites of the year are:
1. Elden Ring
2. A Plague Tale Requiem
3. Sifu
I'm expecting God of War will probably be around my 5th or 6th favorite of the year but we will see. I hope it knocks my socks off as much as it did for the press!
I'm sure after the year ends both games will combine to take most of the goty awards, I'm also happy for their success and we can at least say that our Playstation is able to play both games!
I’m not a souls game type but I tried Elden ring for 80 hours and enjoyed it to a point but as I was surprised I played it for that long. i wouldn’t say it’s game of the year. I got bored with it and was glad to delete it and cash it in. Looking forward to god of war
I somewhat agree with @get2sammyb in that God of War 2018 was a good game but not amongst my favourite on the PS4 and I had been indifferent to its sequel. In recently getting back on the PS5 bandwagon and £200 of PSN through EE, the first thing I did was preorder Resident Evil 4. After that I ordered Ragnarok and the bits I've seen plus reading the reviews has got me a bit more excited for it.
As for GOTY discussion I rarely agree with those that win but as for my own opinion, Elden Ring is one I enjoyed but not finished and I may return to it at some point and its undoubtedly a very good game but not my favourite this year. Gran Turismo 7 is probably occupying that so far and even Sonic is much more fun than I was expecting and I'm looking forward to tomorrow
Well thats easy isnt it.
Elden ring made sure i will never touch a from software game again.
I am aware that i am in the minority, but the last part of the game is so so bad.
Melania and the last boss fight are so bad designed, it sucked all fun out of the game.
And dont get me started how some builds are just not viable in the end game.
My biggest let down in gaming ever.
(again i know i am in the minority)
The only games I've immensely enjoyed this year were Ghostwire: Tokyo and The Stanley Parable: UDE (and Banjo-Kazooie, though not currently applicable). And only one of those I would ever consider for game of the year.
Yes, that being THAT guy and saying neither Elden Ring nor Ragnarok would be my game of the year. I haven't even played the latter yet — I'm THAT guy, too — but am fairly certain, based on my experience with 2018, that it wouldn't do much for me.
If God of War beats ER for me then its one hell of a achievement on GoW's part.
I like how someone put it (I think it was @kyleforrester87 if memory serves) that GoW Ragnarok sounds analogous to Uncharted 2: Among Thieves. Kinda the same game as it’s predecessor but way better (in most people’s opinion)
Team Elden Ring over here.
No matter how good Ragnarok is, there’s simply no way for it to have the social implications that Elden Ring had at release, nor the amount of absolute innovation the game did for its genre…. I’m sure the game is excellent, but Elden Ring did a lot of special things this year and I do feel recency bias should not have us forget that.
😏🤔 i been saying that since the beginning of the year.come on pushsquare.if anyone didnt see that coming.come on playas.god of war ragnarok and elden ring is not only the 2 best games of the year.but 2 of the greatest games ever mafe.word up son
I find the GOTY debate tiresome, to be honest. Not sure why people get so worked up about it. Although if Elden Ring doesn't win, I'll kick off.
While I have not played either game (yet), I always knew GOTY ‘22 would come down to these two titles. The only question would be, could there be another title out there, like **possibly** The Callisto Protocol, that could be a sleeper hit of a contender to make it a 3-way race?
@somnambulance I don't think Ragnarok will be any more or less innovative than Elden Ring. Granted I haven't played Ragnarok yet but I think its safe to assume that it'll iterate off of GoW 2018. Which is exactly what Elden Ring did with Dark Souls (Or Demon's Souls if you want to be technical). The Souls games were innovative, Elden Ring just improves upon that established formula
Lets see. Can't waaait for toniiight
I’m pretty confident that GoW Ragnarok will be my game of the year. I did buy and play Elden Ring, but after 20 hours or so I gave up as it was too hard. It will be interesting to see what tops most of the end of year lists, out of Ragnarok or Elden Ring.
I know I’ll be laughed out of the building, maybe even booed, but my current Game of the Year is Gran Turismo 7. It’s fast, it’s gorgeous and it’s seriously fun.
That being said, I’d be surprised if God of War Regnarok doesn’t pip my beloved GT7 to the GOTY finish line. I only got around to playing its predecessor earlier this year and I absolutely adored every last one of the 40-odd hours I put into the game. So much so, in fact, it’s now one of my top five games of all time.
As for other contenders, I’ve had a blast with the fabulous Tunic, though I’ve not yet finished it. But it’s up there. I also enjoyed Horizon Forbidden West, however I was ultimately left disappointed with the story and a couple other elements. It’s a great game for sure, but for me, just not quite GOTY material.
Disclaimer: despite buying it shortly after release, I still haven’t gotten around to starting Elden Ring as yet. Shame on me.
Ragnarok will win for sure. In our small hardcore gamer bubble Elden Ring is a contender, yes, but it‘s a niche game. The majority of people that aren‘t interested in souls like games never heard of that game I guess. Haven‘t played it myself because it looks equally boring as death stranding.
@The_Pixel_King i cant see anybody laughing at you for having gt7 as your game of the year..i think a lot of people will have games they rate higher than elden ring etc...its a personal choice but so far for me its elden ring followed by gotham knights ( cue laughter) as i have not played god of war yet..
Yes interesting, my goty is gt7 been quite addicted to it since release ,it probably helps that I love racing/driving games anyway ,and love motorsport in real life,but going back to the elden ring/gowr debate ,it'll be very interesting what gets the goty between them or even hfw and a few others thrown in to the mix ,its been a fantastic year for top notch releases ,and each person will have there own goty based on what they've played but I'll get around to trying elden and gowr and a few others in the next few wks and months and really looking forward to it I must admit:)
@Northern_munkey Thanks for the moral support my friend. As for Elden Ring, I’ll definitely get around to starting it sooner or later. It’s just every time I intend to do so, something else seems to get in the way.
Elden Ring is just a good game. Nothing more.
@LIMA Dude Elden Ring sold more then most "mainstream" games. 14M+ copies sold and insane Twitch views and Steam playercounts is not the sign of a niche game, even the Platinum Trophy has a higher then you think achieved number. Elden Ring is as niche as Monster Hunter is nowadays.
Neither should be “game of the year”.
@jrt87 'Whilst there are those who will post that it's 'boring' or 'too hard' — many of whom probably didn't even play it — Elden Ring was a phenomenon across all platforms when it launched and is beloved by millions of players' ... Then goes on to criticize forbidden west & call it boring 🤨😂
I liked Elden Ring the best of the From games but I can’t see how it will be even close to GoWR.
Still RDR2 > GOW18 when all's said and done. And if we're to go by 2018, people say GOW18 won cause it was something new though anyone could lay down facts RDR2 introduced a whole lot of never before seen mechanics albeit in their familiar gameplay formula. So if it's about "something new" then I guess ER would have the edge but damn they're all winners.
I don't even remember what was game of the year last year, so I don't really care either way.
I do think that having two games of this quality released in the same year and struggling to choose between them is a good 'problem' to have though 😊
Stray for GoTY!
"Sammy didn't expect it" so it's a meme when Sammy boy only writes to trash Sony? lol
@RoomWithaMoose
I was going to post that I too think, unironically that Ghostwire: Tokyo should be higher up on everyone's list for the GotY. I also think it was the game this year I had the most fun playing, had the best atmosphere, and an easy story that served the game, not in spite of the game.
@LIMA I have to disagree with you about the majority of people not into Souls games have never heard of this. I know plenty of people and read plenty of comments from people who aren’t into the genre that not only heard of it, but also loved it. On top of that, podcasters I listen to we’re saying people who don’t even play video games have been asking questions about Elden Ring. That doesn’t necessarily make it game of the year, but it certainly says something about the game and it’s impact.
Currently, Elden Ring is my GotY, but if any game has a chance of taking that position it’s GoW. Though I doubt that’ll be the case since Elden Ring was one of my favorite games of the past decade if not one of my favorite games of all time.
In reality, both Elden Ring and God of War will likely each snag loads of game of the year awards. Unless we are counting Geoff Keighley's show as having the final say, which I don't see why that would be the case.
@jrt87 Just as a heads up, you might want to be careful when criticizing Sony 1st party games on this site. And by "be careful" I mean you're probably just better off not criticizing them at all. Save yourself the trouble
If we going by the usual sales
PS5 finally did it. Top in all areas for the week
106,856 101,184 38,872 300,733 Total.
@Tchunga Elden Ring throws the Souls genre into an open world with more detailed social elements. While I have no doubt Ragnarok will be an intense, solid, and cinematic game, like another poster had said, Elden Ring was a phenomenon where casuals and even detractors of the Souls genre (myself included) were drawn in. The game overshadowed HFW for many at release and I expect it will likely overshadow Ragnarok in award season. Elden Ring is a special game and it deserves all the accolades it will receive.
Nah, everyone played Elden Ring and „loved it“ (but never gotten past the first boss) because of Hype.
Absolutely loving Elden Ring, its possibly my GOTY but the hype around GoW has me so excited. Desperately want to get it on release but I want to finish Elden Ring first!
GOTY is subjective as hell , if you don’t like these kinda games , then you’re ***** outta luck .
I think the nominees for GotY at the Game Awards will be HFW, Elden Ring, GoW Ragnarok, Bayonetta 3, an indie game (was thinking Tunic but the surprise release of Return to Monkey Island on PS/Xbox this week makes me think that could be the indie game) and 1 other game (e.g. Skywalker Saga).
I think Elden Ring has the advantage because of release date, if you look at past GotY winners they've all been 1st half of the year releases except Dragon Age Inquisition.
I really don’t get the hype for Elden Ring. I mean it’s decent, but no way did i think wow!!! GOTY here. Imo the Demon’s Souls remake is a better game. The only thing that got Elden Ring all the hype was because it’s open world. It’s not even the best open world game, Red Dead 2 is a million miles better. So are GTA 5 an Days Gone. Even Forza 5 is a more enjoyable open world game. Obvs i’ve not yet played GOWR but going on the 2018 game God of War will walk it!
Team Xenoblade Chronicles 3 here! It won't win any awards, but it addressed nearly issue I had with previous entries and is in the running for my favorite JRPG ever at this point.
Had a great time with Triangle Strategy, Monster Hunter Rise: Sunbreak, and Elden Ring as well.
I'm sure GoW Ragnarok will be a solid sequel, but I'm also just very much not in the mood for Sony's style of cinematic game design at the moment.
I have played many open world RPG's in my life and Elden Ring to me is hands down the best game I have ever played. And I never played a souls game before. I have no doubt that GOWR will be great (I still have never played the first one but I will be playing it soon) but I cannot think of any game even coming close to what From Software has done this year in Elden Ring or many years for that matter.
Does it really matter?
it wont make you enjoy your preference any more or less.
I'm loving it so far, put about 4 hours in and already some new mechanics for Traversal, combat and puzzle solving and the handful of big fights I've had are just WOW! No spoilers here but Definitely better than the last game.
@somnambulance Elden Ring is absolutely a phenomenon I completely agree. It managed to break out into the mainstream in a way that the Souls series never could. Hell, It's my current GOTY and it likely won't be toppled unless Ragnarok ends up being as good as all the reviews say it is. With that being said though it's still not innovative. From Software took the established Souls formula and applied it to an open world and they managed to do so with resounding success. But as successful as they were at the end of the day Elden Ring is still big Dark Souls. Long time fans will know this but the original Dark Souls was a mini open world of sorts already. There were a series of interlinking paths that would lead you out in a multitude of directions. Not too dissimilar from the nonlinear design found in Elden Ring. From Software took Dark Souls design philosophy and truly ran with it. Creating something bigger, and even better.
To call Elden Ring "innovative" is kind of missing the point. It's a culmination of From Software's previous work. They wouldn't have been able to make a titan like Elden Ring without building off the bones of Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodborne or Sekiro. Iteration is often used as a negative when describing games but I disagree. Iteration isn't a bad thing, It got us Elden Ring after all
@Pat_trick lol no substance GOW 2018 and the sequel are considered to have some of the best combat in games heck some reviews have even said it has the best. Like this comment reminded me of the ps3 gen where people were saying “hurr durr Sonyz gamez be cinematic with garbage gameplay which wasn’t true than and it def isn’t true nowadays. Oh and reviews have also praised the level design in GOW but you obviously have a bias so it is what it is.
@Ashkorsair you’re really not in the minority. Resetera which is fromsoftware fanboy central have finally started to be critical and state it’s flaws now that the honeymoon is well and truly gone and it’s common consensus that the game at the halfway point or back third becomes a slog and a rush to beat it. People have even started crapping on the repetitive as hell chalice like dungeons that dot the open world that I said were a problem back at launch. Like Elden Ring like most open world games is absolutely filled with tons of filler and it’s nice to actually see that recognized now instead of at launch where gamers and reviewers who didn’t even beat it at the time acting like it was the second coming
@somnambulance imagine saying this when all over social media GOW is being talked about and hyped lol
@jrt87 sucks you felt that way but it’s not a bad sequel which is why it reviewed extremely well,sold extremely well and continues to do so and was liked by the majority of gamers. Like you don’t have to hyperbolically put down another game for your favorite especially one that was better at almost every damn thing compared to its basic predecessor
@jrt87 man the salt in your comment about HFW lol like it’s not going to get a few goty awards. Saying the series is dead is also comical when Sony going by leaks is all in especially for a game that’s 5 for sold in US year to date and I’m top ten for the last 12 months. Even trying to saying plague tale which is good as well as tunic are better than HFW is laughable
@somnambulance one social implications means nothing or animal crossing would have won its year and two there was absolutely nothing innovative about Elden Ring it was Dark Souls 4 in an open world with a jump button. Great game but let’s not oversell it
Never thought I'd see pushsqaure mentioned by playstation. Hitting the big time lol
https://mobile.twitter.com/PlayStationUK/status/1590042432451796993
I’m interested in the Eurogamer review, which takes issue with it trying to cram in huge numbers or characters and force the plot through a near constant stream of narrative arcs so each one can feel fleshed out.
Listen - I don’t know - I haven’t played it. I will do. Possibly not immediately. I liked and appreciated the last one but it’s not something I go insane for.
Just across the spectrum it feels like there are a few more critics taking issue with some of GOW’s design choices than there were ER.
(I don’t get a personal opinion on the matter cos I have to admit I haven’t got round to playing that either…)
@dark_knightmare2 Honestly, in 2020, Animal Crossing was a legitimate goty contender. There were certainly many games I preferred to it that year, but, from an objective place, it’s absolutely a classic title and the current zenith of its genre.
And in regards to hype vs cultural impact: Elden Ring converted people to Souls games in waves, whereas Ragnarok will appease the albeit large fanbase it already has.
@Tchunga The thing that you’re missing with it’s innovation is that Elden Ring brought accessibility to one of the most challenging and obtuse genres in gaming by bringing the style of gameplay to the open world. Elden Ring had player agency akin to games like BotW. You truly get the opportunity to play as you want and create the story you want within the framework of the game. Elden Ring is deeper than just sticking Dark Souls in an open world. And it only drives further that the game had a social playthrough feeling similar to the original LoZ. There was so much discussion, so much shared knowledge and stories, so much connection.
@dark_knightmare2 Yeah, reviews said X or Y. Different people have different opinions. Also when you argue with "hurr Durr" it makes you look extremely childish and defensive. Also you dismissed every positive point I made about the game.
Maybe you're the one who's biased, have you ever thought of that?
@somnambulance thats because GOW was already mainstream but the point is Elden Ring being the thing on the internet for like a month or two after it’s release isn’t going to matter in goty discussion
@Pat_trick I used the hurr durr because that’s what your comment comes across as with its ridiculous assumption because it’s cinematic it has no substance which is just factually wrong so I called you out on it.
@somnambulance I find that interesting that you bring up the shared knowledge and discussion aspect of Elden Ring because that's exactly how all From Software games are. They're incredibly obtuse with little in the way of tutorials or explanations of basic gameplay mechanics. So the community naturally comes together in order to try and piece the rules of these games together. I would argue the shared knowledge aspect was even stronger back in the Demon's/Dark Souls days because they weren't nearly as popular, and there was less coverage and guides for them online as a result. This kind of forced the community to come together and communicate. You couldn't just YouTube search "Top 10 most OP Demon's Souls builds" Because there just wasn't that kind of a following for the game. You had to scour through message boards or simply learn things through word of mouth, it was a very different experience. Elden Ring's extreme popularity makes that shared discussion a bit less essential when there are so many guides and tutorials premade and ready to go. That was definitely an aspect of Elden Ring I felt sorely lacked compared to their past titles
I loved elden ring but felt it got stale near the end. They reused a lot of assets, enemies, and bosses and I feel like it took a little bit away from the experience. Great game, but I still prefer bloodborne, demon souls remake, and DS3 to it.
@dark_knightmare2 First of all "cinematic" is a term with zero meaning in itself. Second, it came across to you that it was "hurt Durr" because you don't agree with it.
But I'll clarify for you the difference in depth between the games: Elden Ring has a variety of stats that relate do different weapons, spells, armor, speed, invincibility frames that completely change the way you play the character. Also it has dozens of different armors with different weaknesses and strengths and a weapon variety in the dozens. No character you create is the same in that game.
God of War has Kratos which you can customise a bit with different techniques and runes, also a few armors, but a lot of it boils down to: "this item is level 4 so it's better than the level 2 item". You can count on one hand the amount of weapons you have and the amount of builds you can make.
Now, overall GoW is not shallow, but when compared to Elden Ring it's infinitely more limited. And if you refer to my original comment, it doesn't it's bad it just caters to an specific audience.
If you think that GoW has the same gameplay depth as Elden Ring you clearly haven't played any of them to their full extent.
Keep your Kratos and souls-like, the tale of the de Rune siblings is my fave game this year.
Ragnarok is installing as I write this. Right now ER is my GOTY. I'll let you know in a few days if that changes.
I'm in a weird, unique position where I actually played GoW 2018 for the first time after I'd played Elden Ring (for 200 hours)
So tell me @get2sammyb or anyone else that's spent some time woth GoWR. Does it have more of the epic cinematic boss fights than the last one, and also does it have more general mini boss enemy types than the last GoW? That was one of the things that stood out to me as, in a way, lacking with the last one. Going from Elden Ring to hacking and axe throwing 100 icey/firey zombies and fighting one hammer troll multiple times kind of made me wish there was more variation and more of the thing GoW did so well, the cinematic feature battles.
But now as GoWR is post Elden Ring, it means a lot more will be in my situation where they are playing Ragnarok, this time, after Elden Ring, which just seems like a big moment in gaming somehow. We are in the Post Elden Ring Era now, and I want games to give me endless waves of what they do well because of it. Not a direct comparison of the two, but a feeling that Elden Ring gave me so much of what it did so well (a reason to explore all, and fight and die) that I'm now greedy for all games to do the same.
A God of War with more cinematic encounters. With more reason to explore the beautiful world. And a God of War with more variation in fights, on top of the story and character work that I know will be amazing, and then it could be the type of game that would for sure be my choice over Elden Ring, because even though I loved ER... a game with great storytelling and cinematic scope will always win out for me, if it's as enjoyable in the other ways too.
@jrt87 I played it for 100 hours & absolutely loved it , even if you don't like the story you can't deny that the visuals are top tier & it's amazing that they got it to run on the aging ps4, I don't think there's anything boring about fighting robot dinosaurs & elephants lol
@Tchunga people just throw around the term innovative these days lol phil Spencer does it all the time when he talks about gamepass when it's just the Netflix model applied to games & ps now was a thing well before gamepass lol
I played Ragnarok for 90 minutes last night and had to rip myself away from it...because work....can't wait to get back to it tonight, it's captured me already! Epic!
Um....all I've been hearing since Elden Ring released was that the only game that might compete with it would be God of War. Also, the last game was really great. I'm not buying the feigned shock lol
@dark_knightmare2 @Tchunga It’s absolutely a matter of discussion that Elden Ring hopped into the mainstream. The community grew from a small niche community into something huge where most anyone could find someone to discuss the game with. The quality of the game and the scope of it and how it pervaded into culture at large are very much important things to consider for a GotY. I’m not denying that Ragnarok will be great, just that Elden Ring’s had a substantial impact beyond being one of the greatest game of all time and that makes it hard to argue against it being goty.
insanely over-hyped game
Elden Ring was really good (my first From platinum, thank you very much), but dear LORD the GOTY talk from the very beginning was just not warranted.
It has SERIOUS design issues that, for me, hold it back from being a GOTY contender in nearly ANY year it would release.
I stand firm in my belief that it only got the insanely high scores it got at release specifically because so few reviewers likely finished the game by the time they slapped a score onto their review. The entire back half/third of the game is, even within the community of its diehard fans, severely contentious. It has been the reason many MANY people abandon it. And there are loooooads of cracks in the game's proverbial armor that get revealed by game's actual end.
Is it good? Very much so. Is it perfect? Not even within the genre it's a part of.
Elden ring all day
@somnambulance Like I said, Elden Ring is my current game of the year. If it ends up winning GOTY at the game awards it will 100% deserve it in my book. And if Ragnarok ends up beating Elden Ring I'm sure it will have deserved it as well. But that's besides the point. What I'm refuting is specifically the use of the word "innovative". I've played every From Software release since 2009 and I struggle to see how ER innovates on anything. Fromsoft have very much stuck to the same formula for a while now. And while it's a formula I love, it is starting to get a bit long in the tooth. I'm hoping for a wild card like Sekiro in the future and less action RPG's. I think they've explored that genre pretty thoroughly at this point. But either way it seems we've reached a bit of an impass here. It sounds like we both agree that Elden Ring is a fantastic video game and maybe thats where we should leave this conversation
Love Elden Ring
But I always felt looking at the release schedule - GOW was the only game that could knock it off
But regardless... Starting the year with Elden Ring and Finishing it with GOW is simply fantastic.
We have access to both on PlayStation, that is all that matters.
Played for 2 hours yesterday. There's 3 things i want to mention:
1. Thrown the axe at an enemy, it hit and went through. Recalled the axe - it chopped the enemy's head off - cool as hell ^_^
2. Santa Monica Studio if you are reading this : good GOD please quit holding the player's hand !
You totally overdid it with the NCP's commenting and offering unsolicited help and reminders, valid for Atreus and Mimir alike.
Don't go this way please ! Just look at many other AAA games - the most appreciated are the ones that let players discover the world on their own, with quite limited help from NPC's, map or HUD.
If I want to take my time with a puzzle or with discovering the way forward, let me do it! I don't want be offered the solution or the correct way after 20-30 seconds of looking around !
Or at least offer us an option to turn it down or off completely - like the options in Shadow of Tomb Rider for example.
3. Still to Santa Monica Studio : you've made Atreus and Mimir quite careless about Kratos dying.
In the first game the "drama" quantity surrounding Kratos defeat was in the right quantity.
But in GOWR Kratos' death is to his companions as casual as him taking a nap... which, tbh, is immersivity breaking with a touch of weird.
It won’t even be close!!! GoWR will walk it!!
@Shredderlovespizza I agree 100%. I understand the appeal and it's a beautiful game with an amazing story, but playing it once is more than enough to see absolutely everything that it offers.
@somnambulance I understand what your saying but going back to my animal crossing example that game made an even bigger cultural impact and for longer during lockdown and it meant Butkus during goty votes. The fact of the matter is it’s going to come down to both and I learned a long time ago not to bet against Sony
@Pat_trick I never said they had the same depth elden is a straight up rpg while GOW only has some rpg features so of course when it comes to builds,magic etc elden takes it but just like it takes that GOW takes having a more in-depth combo system and you can pull off way more moves and unique things compared to elden.
@jrt87 yes let’s boil down the sidequests to their most basic function. I mean Witcher 3 most involved someone’s missing I think a monster got them can you investigate but that isn’t what made them special it was everything around that just like HFW. The open world was infinitely worth exploring unlike zero dawn which has no reason to explore. You found unmarked sidequests,weapons etc in HFW while zero dawn nothing. You didn’t engage with the skill system if you think it was worthless lol because some of those skills were great and borderline op and helped engaging combat in totally different ways. The climbing could have been better but oh well it was ok and climbing isn’t what makes an open world game. The modern day story is infinitely better in HFW and the story went to some wild sci fi places and most people loved it. Aloy grows throughout the game and comes to understand friends are important to have so no she is not mopey the whole game like you insinuate and erend isn’t the town drunk he’s just a little down when you meet him for the first time and after that he never is seen like that again. The world was more alive,the towns were some of the most lively and most realistic in an open world game and the combat was deeper and way better. You might have like the simple ness of the first game but the sequel is better in every way and I can’t wait to see the third. Oh and the cauldrons were way better in HFW they were actual dungeons compared to what the hell ever they were in zero dawn.
@dark_knightmare2 That's true. It is also true that Elden Ring has zero focus on combining.
So let's compare GoW with a game that has focus on combo, the classic character action games.
Devil May Cry 5 and Bayonetta 3 simply destroy GoW when it comes to complexity and variety of combo possibilities. GoW has very limited juggling whereas both games I mentioned excel on that. Also DMC has a variety of characters that play completely different.
GoW has no gameplay aspects that make it stand out from the crowd. Also the camera is way to focused to the point that even the developers noticed and put a button to turn quickly to compensate for that flaw.
GoW is a beautiful game with several adequate gameplay aspects, but whatever it does gameplay wise you can find games that do it better.
@jrt87 sorry you feel that way lol but it’s objectively better than the first in every way but maybe story because that’s personal preference. It will def win a few goty awards and Ill be sure to come back here when it does
@Pat_trick actually those games don’t destroy gow once again some reveiwers have said it’s as good and maybe better than those games if you feel different that’s fine but that’s not overstate things to prove a point. It comes down to what people prefer in games I loved elden ring and got the plat but the story,sidequests were boring,the world was filled with filler and it’s melee combat is one note compared to GOW which also excels in story,characters,sidequests and tech wise.
@dark_knightmare2 Ok, not gonna reply to you anymore. Just stop with the whole "reviewers said" thing. Play the game and have your own opinion. Reviewers are just a bunch of people that call themselves professionals even though a lot of them have absolutely no knowledge about the subject. You presented no arguments as a rebuttal to why DMC and Bayonetta have superior combo systems except the opinion of others.
Also if you got the plat on Elden Ring you played at least 200h, that may be the reason you're burned out.
Good luck with your journey through playing games, I hope you learn that "professional reviews" mean absolutely nothing and develop your own critical thoughts towards game design.
@Tchunga Agreed! We’ve hit an impasse and we’ll have to simply agree to disagree at this point, but that’s fine. It’s been good debating. Happy gaming to you!
@dark_knightmare2 I will most certainly be watching the goty conversations this year for sure. This is the first year in a while that will be absolutely competitive. I suppose you are right that there’s a Sony first party bias to goty conversations. I mean, with 2020, TLOU2 vs Animal Crossing goty discussion can prove that. If Animal Crossing would’ve won, people would’ve rioted. “That’s a game for casuals!”
@somnambulance I don’t think it’s a bias it’s just that Sony first party more often than not is outstanding compared to the competition
@Pat_trick oh I don’t let reviews dictate my purchases just showing that professionals whose job is to review games rave about GOW combat system. I’m playing through it now and just like 2018 it’s sublime and I don’t think there’s another western developed game that comes close to the combat.
After 2022 has ended I'm hoping that the games industry takes a break from monsters and demons. Seriously, it's time to move on.
Cheer me up and bring back modern/futuristic settings, cyborgs and robots.
Give me my full on Metal Gear Rising and Vanquish remasters!!!
I loved Elden Ring on my first playthrough and character, but on starting a second character the shine quickly wore off. The magic of EL is in the exploration and discovery, I think, and subsequent playthroughs are spoiled by knowing what's coming up and where everything you need to build your character is.
Looking forward to getting into GOW:Ragnarok later though... High expectations after the reviews...
It’s still early, but at this point I am not impressed with God of War Ragnarok. It feels like I’m playing the exact same game from 2018 (which, to be fair, I enjoyed quite a bit). After playing a game like Elden Ring, it’s painfully apparent that GoW revolves around forcing you through corridors into repetitive highly staged battles. The puzzles are the same, and the constant suggestions from your crew as to how to solve them come too quickly, are annoying, and cannot be turned off. The relationship between the main characters feels forced and awkward this time around. I don’t know, I just am not feeling it; I nearly quit on the game about 2.5 hours in. In my opinion, the game is nowhere near the caliber of Elden Ring, and while highly polished and shiny, it might not even be in my top five games of the year (ER, Triangle Strategy, Tunic, Atari 50, and Sports Story are surely going to rank above it for me).
I definitely can agree with what little trailer footage I've seen!
Looking forward to playing my copy after it's been patched a bit more.
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Psshh! Please! 🙄
We all know Garfield Kart is the better game. 😁
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