
Update: Activision Blizzard has released a gleeful response in relation to the UK regulators’ softened stance today. “The CMA’s updated provisional findings show an improved understanding of the console gaming market and demonstrate a commitment to supporting players and competition,” it said. “Sony’s campaign to protect its dominance by blocking our merger can't overcome the facts, and Microsoft has already presented effective and enforceable remedies to address each of the CMA's remaining concerns. We know this deal will benefit competition, innovation, and consumers in the UK.”
Original Article: In a stance softening that’s almost certain to conclude in Microsoft’s unobstructed buyout of Activision Blizzard, the UK’s Competition and Markets Authority has changed its opinion on the impact the eye-watering $69 billion acquisition could have on console competition, referencing “new evidence” which suggests it’s likely to be minimal.
According to a statement released earlier today, an inquiry has “reached the provisional conclusion that, overall, the transaction will not result in a substantial lessening of competition in relation to console gaming in the UK”. It seems the regulators now do not believe there’s a financial incentive for Microsoft to make Activision’s games, including Call of Duty, exclusive.
“While the CMA’s original analysis indicated that this strategy would be profitable under most scenarios, new data – which provides better insight into the actual purchasing behaviour of Call of Duty gamers – indicates that this strategy would be significantly loss-making under any plausible scenario,” it says.
The document adds: “On this basis, the updated analysis now shows that it would not be commercially beneficial to Microsoft to make Call of Duty exclusive to Xbox following the deal, but that Microsoft will instead still have the incentive to continue to make the game available on PlayStation.” The paper goes on to express concerns about competition in cloud gaming, which are yet to be fully resolved.
Earlier this week, a developer at Arkane confirmed vampire FPS Redfall was at one point in development for Sony’s system, but after Xbox’s acquisition of Bethesda, his team were told, “No PS5.” In a response released today, Microsoft claimed that it has “expanded our footprint of games that we've shipped on Sony’s PlayStation” despite this not really standing up to scrutiny.
Either way, it looks like Sony has lost the ear of UK regulators, and with the European Commission also predicted to greenlight the deal, we’re nearing Game Over in this sorry corporate saga.
[source gov.uk]
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We won’t know the true extent of what it means until much after close I don’t think, but will be interesting to see if Sony now sign that 10 year deal
Good. I just need this to be over already
There's no real winner here, sure MS get Activision but its came at the costs of deals they most likely didn't want to make.
game over Dimbo 🤣😂 finally a good jim ryan meme ! i love it ! 🤣🤣😂
Wow, the pure blindness of the regulators here. It shouldn’t be that hard to see this a deal that should be blocked and is extremely anti-consumer.
The idea that MS wouldn’t take that hit is just pure naivety. They’re already gonna take those hits on all the Bethesda games. Especially with Elder Scrolls.
@Voltan While I agree I also want it to be over, I think it's important the regulators do their job. Which, as it turns out, is mostly just hand wringing anyway.
Surely Sony will sign now that the EU and CMA are no longer concerned with them
MS dont give a ***** about the money. They want to dry out competition why is everybody so ***** blind?
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@WallyWest
Talk for yourself buddy
I'm playing CoD day 1 on GP
Im a winner
@KaijuKaiser watch for EA or TakeTwo next.
Nobody whos playing COD is a winner lol
@Allfather Money talks and MS have all of the money.
It was always going to go through, but if Playstation hadn't contested the acquisition, then Microsoft would definitely have made them exclusive to the xbox platform, just like they have done with Bethesda games. When the 10 year contracts are up they will for sure go exclusive.
That price increase is going to come to gamepass sooner rather than later, because that's $69 Billions gotta be paid back somehow.
Ultimately, Microsoft buy activation won’t make it for largest gaming company or platform holder in the UK. Therefore, this deal will not lessen competition between platform holders.
Microsoft statements about what they will do are irrelevant because regulators always assume you will do the most anti-competitive thing you can unless stopped.
Makes no difference, if the FTC disagree this ABK won't go through anyway.
Cod is rubbish it’s had its day. Good riddance 😭😭😭
There goes Jimmy's performance bonus. The UK is probably drenched in a rain of tears today.
@atb_93 Not necessarily on the "needs to rise due to the purchase price" thing.
They've now gone from having 69 billion in cash, which was losing value due to inflation, to having a 69 billion asset on the books.
The money doesn't have to be paid back - it's already got them an asset.
Anyone complaining about games becoming Xbox exclusive should just buy an Xbox or PC. I'm not interested in Spider man or god of war but I'd have to buy a ps4 or 5 to play them. I bought a ps4 mainly for the Earth Defence Force games and recently bought Rogue Galaxy on it, both not available on Xbox (apart from Earth Defence Force 4).
It still has to pass in the USA and there is no guarantee it will. Honestly, I don't see Sony taking the deal and telling MS to shove it up their a--.
@Snake_V5 FTC have lost the cases they recently took to court, and Microsoft have said they'll fight it in court.
So unlikely they'll do much beyond behavioural remedies...
@Snake_V5 FTC isn't a big hurdle, CMA was the biggest hurdle. FTC can't block anything, they can either approve it and it's done, or sue to block, and the federal courts have an almost 0% chance of blocking if/when they do. All FTC can do is stall, and MS can ignore the suit and just carry on while it's going on, knowing that the courts won't block.
Good, now sony can't just be lazy and locked cod dlc deals to make their console popular in the usa. Now they need to make something new, like maybe new fps ip or a new resistance games.
@Mikey856 That's like saying 'I don't like Marvel movies. I don't care if hundreds of millions like them. They are rubbish and if I ever own a movie theater I won't be showing them.'
I suppose the regulators etc. just got a good enough deal on office 365.
@wiiware A new Resistance would be awsome.
@get2sammyb far from over. This is the flood gates opening. This is going to be the next few years of gaming news.
More studios and publishers been bought more people speculating who next
anyway this means: more acquisitions. What good will MS do next ? Save the workers of EA or ubisoft ? What will tencent buy next, or will amazon or apple enter the bidding game? Yes, the future is bright. Thanks to "more competition" through more mergers.
That’s all a bit of a joke.
Of course MS have no financial incentive to cut off PS5 players…if you ignore the fact they don’t play by the usual rules and can just use their huge piles of cash to eat losses until their competitor dies, or is seriously weakened at least, from the loss of the billions COD brings.
They have obviously not taken account of MSs historical actions.
Or perhaps they have just looked at the fact that COD will be available on a Nintendo console to conclude, well, people still have options then…who cares if Sony fails…without understanding the different demographics.
Glad to see they have not yet decided how it will impact the subscription industry though. Maybe they will make MS put COD on plus for as long as it is on Gamepass. Day and date. At a reasonable price to Sony.
@JON22
So people concerned that MS will destroy a competitive market by obliterating their much poorer sole competitor should…help? By buying an Xbox and their games on there?
@NEStalgia The death of PlayStation today, remember who killed it...
Welp you gave it a good shot Jimmy. It is what it is though.
Approval of the ABK acquisition would be a disaster. Microsoft already bought a publisher and will keep doing it until they bought their way to dominance or they are stopped. This is the only way Microsoft operates.
@thefourfoldroot1 Exclusives sell consoles. As fanboys tell people wanting to play FF7 Remake on Xbox, deal with it and buy ps4/5.
It was ALWAYS going through - its not taking away a Platform (like buying Nintendo would - thus 'reducing' the Console 'competition'), not significantly reducing the number of Publishers or Studio's and certainly wouldn't make MS the 'dominant' (as in well over 50% of the Market share in ANY sector - bar 'cloud' which is why that is being looked at) so it will go through and why they aren't concerned about the Console Market.
Sony's self serving issues, protecting their 'dominate' position and BS claims about CoD or incentives to pull CoD are completely unfounded so basically can dismiss Sony as an 'unreliable' and Bias Witness. What carries more weight is the 'rest' of the Industry which have all come out in Support...
Its not as if CoD is 'essential' when Nintendo competes very well without it. In fact some companies have been quite damning about Sony, their 'ecosystem' etc and a Judge in the US also was VERY critical of Sony with regards to its 'paid' advertising to promote certain games, burying those that don't pay so gamers are pushed to those that 'benefit' Sony...
The sooner Jim Ryan is sacked, the better for Sony as far as I am concerned. He is single handedly screwing over Sony and its 'long' reputation...
@Snake_V5 you’re delusional. The deal will go through even if the FTC try to block. Microsoft will go to court with them and destroy them. It’s game over. ABK is Xbox
I've said it before, and now I'll say it again; there is more to Microsoft's reasoning as to the why now than we currently know. Previously, I said that I suspect that Microsoft bought Bethesda because Sony had likely been getting greedy in locking down exclusives. I thought at the time that I said that that it was possible that Sony had gone after Starfield exclusivity, and that Microsoft had seen that as a step too far. Yesterday, we found out that Sony had definitely attempted an exclusivity deal for Redfall, and I would not be at all surprised if they did go after Starfield too. Point being, Sony do keep locking down exclusives, and them doing so does hurt Xbox. People love to shout about Xbox having no games, or exclusives, but then with Sony buying the cream of the crop all the time, it is difficult for them to fight against that. I believe that is why Microsoft instead chose to outright buy Bethesda, and then make the games exclusive to their platform.
I love my PlayStation, but the way Sony keeps locking down third-party exclusives can easily be seen as anti-consumer in itself. And this brings me back to my initial point, I suspect that Sony was attempting to lock down some major exclusives from within ABK, and consequently Microsoft decided enough was enough, and to buy them outright instead. None of this is me saying that I believe this to be the right way to go about things, but if I am right, I can understand Microsoft's stance.
The only thing I can see that would stop this kind of thing, is for there to either be no third-party exclusives allowed on any platform (which will never happen), or for Developers to notify Sony and Microsoft that they have a game in development, and that they are open to bids exclusivity offers (rather than one company locking down the exclusive even before the other knows about the games existence). However, if that were to happen, the result would be the same as Microsoft could easily outbid Sony.
Ultimately, I think that everyone that celebrates Sony's aggressive tactics in getting more and more third-party exclusives, should now be able to see that it wont necessarily be good for them in the long run, and instead may be met with an even more aggressive response from Microsoft.
Time to take the deal then sony 😂
Well atleast you've cost Microsoft millions by delaying this purchase and their plans for gamepass over the last year probably stunting its growth in the progress with no Activision additions.
@JON22
Anyone who does say that is obviously just a sad fanboy who wants MS to dominate the market, or someone so selfish as to only care about MS subsidising their gaming.
This is not about those of us who can afford multiple systems and care enough to buy them, it’s about the industry life givers who fund Sony through the billions given via COD, GTA, FIFA etc. all this deal does is ensure that a much poorer rival to MS can’t afford to compete and innovate.
@DNortonX https://youtu.be/pevoDn7cyho here’s an explanation. No one will stop this deal. No one
@KaijuKaiser Sony isn't going to take that deal regardless. They've shown they openly despise MS. They may lose CoD sales but MS has more to lose with COD not on Sony's platform and playerbase.
I can't wait for this to be over. I do think of it goes through Sony will start acquiring publisher. I think they only have 5 billion, but don't forget they can take out loans. Really can see them trying to go after take two
@thefourfoldroot1 But shouldn't Sony have the ability to create a competitor? Why are we treating them like babies?
@BAMozzy
“ Its not as if CoD is 'essential' when Nintendo competes very well without it.“
Ford and McDonald’s are also very profitable without COD, I’m failing to see the relevance of companies in completely different markets, like those two, or Nintendo.
“ a Judge in the US also was VERY critical of Sony with regards to its 'paid' advertising to promote certain games”
Where they paid half a million by Microsoft do you think?
@jmac1686 Of course they will take the deal. COD is more important than pettiness.
Yes, I’m sure the trillion dollar company that is willing to cannibalize software sales to push GamePass is truly concerned about losing money by excluding PlayStation.
/s
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2023/02/microsoft-cant-deny-xbox-game-pass-cannibalises-software-sales
@GrimReaper
Create a competitor to COD, the industry leader for nearly 2 decades with huge market share? Sure. But it’ll likely take another couple of decades, during which time they’ll lose the money needed to make games on that scale.
@thefourfoldroot1 They don't have to refuse the COD deal to start working on an alternative
@Americansamurai1 They'd have to leverage themselves to the hilt, and it'd be a massive gamble - if GTA6 lost the magic or that GTA rival Everywhere or whatever it's called did better, they'd be unable to service the debt.
Square is a much more likely prospect.
@GrimReaper
They still lose billions even with the COD “deal”. In the short term when all multiplatform owners just get COD on gamespass, the medium term when the “deal” expires, and the long term when everyone who plays COD gets Xbox when the next gen systems come out (assuming it isn’t sooner due to lots of people still not having them)
Is this the same CMA that have allowed ridiculous numbers of corporations merge/be bought out without a whimper???
An absolutely pathetic organisation full of its own importance.
@B-I-G-DEVIL Maybe, maybe not. I certainly see the idea that the flood gates could open, but this is also such a big buyout that it might also pump the brakes for a bit.
I dunno, I guess we'll find out. Anyway, there's still a few months left in this one yet.
I guarantee everyone who is celebrating this deal now will have completely different problems in the next few months. we are facing a global economic crisis of apocalyptic proportions.
but hey, we are happy that one of the most corrupt corporations gets even more bigger.
@Fiendish-Beaver You're making a lot of assumptions in this post. Also, Microsoft is free to negotiate timed console exclusivity with third-party publishers if they choose, as they have done several times in the past.
The fact they've adopted the nuclear option by using their parent corporation's unrivalled wealth to outright buy the publishers is not comparable to the handful of six and 12 month timed console exclusivity deals that Sony signs.
Alas.
You all do realize that the only thing Sony loses here is preferential treatment of Call of Duty and not the franchise, right?
Microsoft has said many times it will continue to release on PlayStation. The 10-year deal was simply an olive branch to show that commitment. Microsoft has said it will treat Call of Duty in the same manner it treated buying Minecraft.
But I guess it just feels better to say, "Microsoft lies because...Bethesda." Microsoft has been much more concrete about its intentions with ABK and Call of Duty than it was with Bethesda with the whole "case-by-case basis" thing.
"But what happens after 10 years?!"
Who knows? Can't make a decision based on speculation and the Push Square comments section.
Chances are, nothing will change.
Companies have to do whatever companies do for multi-platform releases. I don't know as I am not in this world.
Sony and all these companies will just have to talk to Microsoft instead of an independent ABK. Something that seems to bother Sony and its fans all together.
Do you honestly think that Nvidia and these other Cloud companies are going to miss out on having Game Pass available titles on their platforms? Do you think Nintendo will want to lose out after 10 years? They will come to the table and I am sure Microsoft will still be reasonable - after all more sales are sales.
"But that's Microsoft kissing up to other companies to gain favor."
Yes. It's called business strategy. Doesn't matter why it's happening, it's a win/win for Microsoft and the other companies.
Approved, not approved, I don't care.
Yes, it would be nice for me to get Diablo franchise on Game Pass. It would be nice to play some older CoD campaigns from Game Pass as I don't care about multiplayer and have zero interest in actually buying the games.
But, I just feel like people are crying over "whataboutism" when statements to support that CoD will stay on PlayStation have been made multiple times already.
@MaajorVit We aren't winners because sooner or later Gamepass is going to see big price hikes and games like CoD are going to go even heavier on battle passes, live services and MTX because MS love that stuff. As ever gamers are short sighted and only care their here and now.
@wiiware Ridiculous comment IMO. Sony is innovating all the time — they just released a cutting-edge VR headset for heck's sake!
I think people miss the forest for the trees here. If Sony's unable to successfully replace the potential revenue lost by Call of Duty, then where's the money going to come from to invest in a "new Resistance"? Which, by the way, will generate probably less than 1% of Call of Duty, no matter how much you like it!
The potential removal of Call of Duty from PlayStation will not make Sony more creative; actually it'll make it safer, as it's going to need bankable wins!
Of course, if Microsoft is true to its word, then there may not be much disruption for a decade. Remains to be seen.
I want them to take Call of Duty away dammit! Every year I buy it, every year it pisses me off, and somehow it gets worse every year. I need my ability to make it a yearly purchase taken away from me.
I have no impulse control.
@GrimReaper If creating a CoD competitor was so easy it would have been done by now. Nothing has ever come remotely close. It's like the numerous GTA clones that have come along and we all know how well that has gone too.
@Fiendish-Beaver Dude MS were and are locking down 3rd party exclusives as well, why do MS defenders ignore that? Even this month saw a timed exclusive in Valheim on Xbox. MS are very big on timed deals and always have been or did you forget Tomb Raider?
@GamingFan4Lyf "You all do realize that the only thing Sony loses here is preferential treatment of Call of Duty and not the franchise, right?"
Yes, but there's understandable scepticism about whether they'll actually honour that. (I think they will, to be clear, but I can certainly appreciate why others would raise the question.)
And what becomes of Activision Blizzard's enormous catalogue of other IP?
@Snackfood 🤣 This is the best comment. So relatable! I made a rule for myself that I’m not allowed to pay full price for COD and that has sort of helped. I still buy them all, but I’m always a game or two behind everyone else.
@WallyWest "We aren't winners because sooner or later Gamepass is going to see big price hikes"
And when those price hikes happen people will happily jumpship and stop paying! Why would I not take advantage of a current good deal because later on maybe it won't be a good deal anymore?
@thefourfoldroot1 ford and McDonald's, Nintendo and PlayStation. Ford make cars, Macdonald's is a fast food restaurant franchise. Nintendo make video games and consoles, PlayStation make... video games and consoles. Comparing Nintendo and PlayStation is exactly like a comparison between ford and McDonald's? Or maybe I missed McDonald's recent announcment that they're selling off their food business and launching the McCar?
@get2sammyb ‘And what becomes of Activision Blizzard's enormous catalogue of other IP?’
Well hopefully we get new games in those IPs, on Playstation or not, because if Jim Ryan got his way and Activision-Blizzard remained independent, those IP would remain dormant so all the devs can stay in the CoD mines.
This deal was always going to go through, I just hope this prevents Microsoft from purchasing any future publisher. As it stands, they have bought two, and will now have almost double the studios Sony has...
@get2sammyb I will honestly have severe FOMO when Starcraft Ghost and Heroes of the Storm come out for Xbox.
Whilst the twitter bots,acolytes & their gaming press buddies will be cheering from the rafters, it doesn't detract that Microsoft buying up the entire Activision Blizzard catalogue & making it exclusive & quietly killing off multiformat releases just like they did with Zenimax will be good for gamers.
They won't stop there. Again,insists Sony can make their own COD alternative whilst spending 70 billion to buy COD,Diablo,Starcraft,Crash, etc., rather than make its own IP.🙄
@Neither_scene
Doesn’t it get tiresome being deliberately obtuse?
Clearly Sony/Microsoft are in a completely different market to Nintendo. I forgive the uneducated layperson not understanding that, but if you frequent this site then you know better.
@get2sammyb Sure, you can be skeptical of it. I get it. That I am not arguing.
But when it comes to regulatory decisions, you can't make a decision based on skepticism - only factual evidence.
"And what becomes of Activision Blizzard's enormous catalogue of other IP?"
Now that is a great question. Sadly, much like Konami, it's an enormous catalog that gets neglected most of the time in favor of single franchises. Perhaps if Call of Duty hadn't been such a huge focus, those questions would have been addressed.
But Sony has only ever really fought over having the upper hand with Call of Duty. It's all Sony seemingly cares about since I am sure internal statistics have shown that Sony's "control" of the Call of Duty narrative (being that PlayStation is the console for CoD) has had a massive boost in console sales and revenue for Sony. The other IPs are just "nice to have".
So in that sense, maybe blame Sony for not actually advocating against the overall acquisition and it's affects rather than only arguing about Call of Duty being "too big" to be part of Microsoft.
I feel that if Sony actually cared about "player choice", it would have diverted attention away from the Call of Duty narrative and spoke up about the remaining IPs as well as Call of Duty.
Well if that's it, then that's it.
In glass is half full mode, I'm genuinely excited to see what Sony have cooking now.
It feels like they've been holding a lot back during this period.
I don't play anything by ABK, but hopefully with the loss of the Blizzard games and also Bethesda, Sony will get cracking on their own first party fantasy series.
@get2sammyb "And what becomes of Activision Blizzard's enormous catalogue of other IP?"
You don't think microsoft will try to revive some of those ips with their infinite money glitch as opposed to abk prior or sony?
Surely if that is your concern you'd be all for this, because with abk previously merging all their dev teams into the cod factory I don't think there was any hope for your precious dream there.
@cburg I think Jimbob is more of an American these days.
It's the same as a 'consultation' at work - the company have already made their minds up but they want to make it feel like you have a say.
Personally don't care about COD but M$ would be nuts to cut Playstation owners out of their revenue stream. With the PS5 squashing the Series consoles and the PS4 having already obliterated the One, the finances don't stack up.
I'm more concerned about franchises like Crash and Spyro, once PS mascots, being tainted by the green.
@thefourfoldroot1 you made the comparison. They're not a completely different market, they're different segments of the same market. For the enthusiast they're very different, for the mass market consumer they're both seen as part of the same video game market.
@Snake_V5 The death of Playstation happened when Jim took over, but, modern SIE isn't going anywhere for a long time, don't worry. Even if it's not the Playstation we knew... It has huge mindshare and brand power, that's not going to fade due to CoD changing hands to their competitor.
My worries are that it could make MS behave more like SIE than as a balancing force, and/or that it could make Jim go into Hulk Smash mode and drag PS through an endless quest of trying to "recreate CoD" like Ahab and the whale, that he loses sight even more of what PS used to be about.
@OtsutsukiBoruto 100% everyone who celebrates with acquisition is looking at it very shortsightedly, over the next few years we will see the ramifications of this acquisition. It isn't so easy to make a COD killer, EA couldn't do it, Bungie couldn't do it, what makes people think Sony can do it? Even if a multi plat Killzone, resistance or Socom was released, people who have never played the franchise need to take a chance and try it over the dominant COD, it's an uphill battle at the very least.
@JON22 how much does FF Remake sell and how much does COD? Apples to oranges.
This decision is weird because the whole point is that Microsoft might make the game exclusive or give it for free on gamepass, even when it makes bo commercial sense to do so, and take rhe losses in order to push Sony out of the market
@Juanalf like they did when games became more expensive?
@Neither_scene
You are being stubbornly disingenuous. You know as well as I do that Nintendo target a different consumer to Sony/Microsoft. That’s why it meant nothing for MS to give them a COD “deal”.
Btw. will happen to COD without sony money ? Will MS fill the gap ? Or will they just cut corners ?
@get2sammyb I completely agree - Sony has innovation and its OWN unique selling points - VR, Exclusive IP's etc and its those that has helped Sony 'DOMINATE' the Console Market. Even when CoD was associated with Xbox and the 360 had a year 'headstart', Despite Sony's 'poor' PS3 launch, it went on to be the 'bigger' selling Platform. CoD didn't help the launch of the XB1 either as Ghosts and the 'next' CoD a year later, were ALSO marketed and tied to Xbox.
MS has stated that they won't take CoD away and have a Contract to Guarantee Sony can continue selling CoD on their Platform for the next decade. If 'gamers' choose to leave Playstation to play CoD on Xbox, PC, Nintendo or any other Platform, its more down to Consumer 'choice', not being 'forced' to play on PS or miss out on 'something'. Point is, they can still sell CoD for the next DECADE at NO cost - no paying for Exclusive content/early access, no paying for marketing, even MS will fund the Ports, the optimising and all manufacturing/distribution costs and Sony can still get their percentage. If they 'lose' sales because Gamers CHOOSE to play elsewhere, that's consumers exercising their Freedom to CHOOSE where its 'best' for them. They could offset 'lost' sales by selling 'more' Final Fantasy games or more Hogwarts Legends, or more of their OWN games...
As I have said before, Gamers won't leave PS5 and their 'Premium' CoD experience (4k or 120fps) to play on cloud just because its cheaper at $10 a month - its still limited to 1080/60 and with more latency/lag - an 'entry' tier experience at low cost. They won't rush out and buy a Series X to get the 'same' premium quality, pay $180 a year for GPU when its just $70 and yours to 'keep' on PS5. Won't abandon access to VR, to Sony's first party games etc
All this means is that when it comes to PS6 vs Next Xbox - it won't just be Forza, Halo, Gears but also Starfield, Redfall, Hellblade, Avowed, Fable etc vs Last of Us, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Horizon, Gran Turismo etc and all the VR too.
So Sony has more than enough 'reasons' to be Successful regardless of whether or not Games are 'exclusive' to MS.
Its clear that MS is going to support Communities with ACTIVE ONLINE ecosystems - games like CoD, Overwatch, Minecraft etc and use ALL Single Player games (especially RPG's as you always start by creating a 'New' character) and NEW IP's never announced for Playstation specifically to Compete with Sony's impressive line-up of Award Winning Exclusives...
Its not suddenly going to make Sony Playstation 'obsolete' or redundant because Gamers will still want to play Sony's Games so will buy a Playstation - its not as if I need to buy an Xbox to play Xbox games...
@Juanalf where to jump to if gamepass killed all competition ?
@KaijuKaiser I can't speak for NEStalgia, but Jim Ryan's Sony pisses me off too. Shuttering my favorite developer under them is what really got me bearing a grudge but, going way too hard and heavy on games that are open world, self serious, and boring to play hasn't helped their case with me, and I don't care for how they treat indies like more of an afterthought, considering I find the indie space and AA space a hell of a lot more interesting than the AAA space.
And if Microsoft didn't force their hand, with the galling statements Jim Ryan made on PS1 era games and how they looked and wondering why anyone would want to play them, i'm pretty sure the PS5 would only be able to play PS5 games.
Basically, I want more stuff like Puppeteer and Gravity Rush, but Jim Ryan put a bullet in that.
Finally nearly all over and about time.
Sony will be fine and I think have a ten year COD deal though they now have no signed agreement I believe like Nintendo so maybe no COD for PlayStation unless Microsoft thinks it is worth it.
Perhaps now Sony can focus their energies on something positive for their console and own studios.
Update:
And here I was thinking maybe, just maybe, ABK will be composed and classy in victory.
@Cherip-the-Ripper I mean, are we just ignoring that Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Tony Hawk, Diablo, et al are all very relevant, have had (or are getting) new entries in the past few years, and all would have historically released on PlayStation?
@wiiware
Considering they tried with Killzone & Resistance which both failed misterably... yeah, Sony are donezo, ha!
Damn, spicy comment from ABK.
That response from ABK is petty tbh. No more activision games for me. Don't support toddlercompanies, just a personal stance.
Well at least maybe now Xbox can let loose all their game plans with Zenimax and other studios.
And also Sony can’t advertise COD on TV like it’s an exclusive no more.
Sony can't compete with Microsofts money so let's come back in 20/30 years time when Microsoft have a monopoly on gaming and Sony are no more, then let's see if this deal was great for competition....
Seriously though I hope sony use that saved money they won't be spending on COD and aggressively go all out on third party timed exclusives and towards new IP's and their own new acquisitions.
YEAH! COD on game pass and all those other ABK games on day of release
My investment of £10.99 a month locked in for years was a great one.
@KaijuKaiser Returnal is also my favorite PS5 game, and I want Sony to do more of that, but I disagree with you on Microsoft not doing unique things. Obsidian's Grounded is legitimately the game that got me to enjoy survival games, and I quite liked Pentiment. I'm also curious to see what Double Fine has been working on behind closed doors.
And I don't care to hear for the millionth time 'it just didn't sell that well.' when stuff like Puppeteer and Gravity Rush doesn't break bank like a AAA game to make, and Sony didn't bother to even try to market the games. But even setting that aside, gutting Japan Studio the way they did was unnecessary, and quite honestly from my perspective, unforgivable of Sony.
@UltimateOtaku91 Hope Sony buys Sega/ Square Enix/ Ubisoft/Take Two and see if all the xbots are still happy with monopolies?!
@get2sammyb The catalog will become exclusive, but we will not act as if they use this catalog, the only IP's they use on consoles are Overwatch, Diabo, Crash, Spyro and CoD, the rest are either exclusive to PC or has been dormant for decades.
Te only exception to the rule being Tony Hawk, but the FOOT has been dormant since the Acquisition forced the Studio to merger with Blizzard.
Ugh I feel like I need to take a shower after reading the Activision statement in the update. 😄
@Zeke68 same, especially now that all they make are live service games full of MTX, they destroyed overwatch with the cash grab sequel, and are now going to destroy crash bandicoot by making it a live service game. They don't care about their other ip's as they don't fit the MTX requirement. The only game I'd miss is diablo and even that is just rinse and repeat and only releases every 10 years or so.
And yeah if sony were to buy any of those xbox players would be hypocritically outraged.
Sony will never learn, like again in 2023 releasing their new top end OLED 2023 TVs with just 2 HDMI 2:1 ports.
Useless company and have been in the Audio Visual market for the last five odd years.
@Dezzy70 What do you need more 2.1 ports for ? serious question btw.
@get2sammyb no that's why I mentioned the merging of their dev teams. The new Tony Hawk and Crash games were well received but still absorbed into the cod teams. They were slowly becoming or for some even staying dormant anyway because abk seemingly mostly cares for cod. Don't see why it would've been any different under Sony.
@Juanalf Except they won't as MS will add Gamepass exclusives. Here's the thing i'm thinking long term and how MS usually works and not thinking short term. I'm concerned for the future and not if i can play this years CoD on Gsmepass. Gamepass is good now but MS are very much wanting it to be the future of gaming and the only way people are gaming. People forget MS are pretty damn awful and are up there with Tencent, Amazon, Google, Meta and Disney.
Seriously, @WallyWest, please read my comment. I was not defending the practice, and I even said as much.
Also, please show me the third-party exclusives that Xbox has had this generation that rivals the likes of various Final Fantasy games, Demon Souls Remake, or even Forspoken (for what it's worth, which is still better than anything the Xbox has had this generation). And that doesn't take into account what the PlayStation has coming in the very near future such as Knights of the Old Republic Remake, Silent Hill 2 Remake (rumoured to be exclusive), Wolverine. The only comparable title is S.T.A.L.K.R.2, which has yet to arrive, and may not for quite some time yet, given the circumstances in Ukraine.
I accept that they have just had Valheim, as we discussed the other day, I stand by my comment that this is likely more to do with it being in Early Access, (and I'll slightly amend my previous comment here); Sony do not routinely allow Early Access games on to their platform, whereas it is far more common placed on the Xbox.
As for Tomb Raider, it released in 2015. That's approaching 8 years ago, mate. Some people are so hung up on this fact, and use it as an excuse to justify the aggressive tactics that Sony have employed since.
I was not trying to for Microsoft, I was attempting to put across a non-partisan rationale as to why Microsoft maybe behaving the way they are now, yet somehow, in the minds of some, that's me standing on the side-lines, wearing a short skirt, waving my pompoms in support of everything that they do. That is so far from the case as to be ridiculous. Read my comment again. The only things I have labelled Sony's tactics as is aggressive. Yet if you read my comment, I said that Microsoft were responding in an even more aggressive way.
I was trying to express a balanced view, yet because I am not being lobotomised into believing Sony good, Microsoft bad, I am seen as batting in the latter's corner, which is simply not the case.
Sony shouldn't sign anything.
Their SONY they should be able to create their own PS Exclusive FPS game.
If Activision as crappy as they are can keep making CoDs people like certainly any number of Sony's studios could replicate their formula....probably do it better even.
I don't play FPS games so idk or really care about CoD on PS but I just don't see what makes CoD specifically so special? Is it riding on the name at this point?
@Sakisa rip Japan Studio. I distinctly liked doing the stealth 'stalk x person' type missions in Gravity Rush 2 because you could just walk on the side of buildings above the person, normally hated those types of missions in games but it was made very fun in GR.
@Loamy Monopoly? As long asThe Embracer Group & Tencent are around (to name a few) no way that is going to happen imo.
I hope this deal will be good for gamers entirely. PS4 was the best generation with no real competition (Ninty doing its own thing). Sony was acting like Apple with making everything more expensive. They are businesses who want to make money, we all get that, but, do something that benefits gamers too. Playstation will stay at his number one position but it needs to be more creative than before. Maybe now these studio's can stop focussing on COD alone and make some new IP's. I'd rather have this than MS overbidding Sony everytime they are trying to moneyhat a 3rd party. Sony needs to invest that money into devs or new IP's. I remember how gamers reacted when MS tried to double the price of the service. The fact they didn't go through with it says a lot imo. They all need to co-exist!
Oof that Activision statement. They'd probably be better off keeping quiet than putting out stuff like that.
I still remember the first time I heard Microsoft was entering the Gaming Console business. I thought 'Microsoft will destroy the Gaming Console market' & now it's finally happening :-/ I guess EA, Ubisoft will be next etc etc. Oh well.
I knew this was a barker article before clicking on it.
Time to reboot Killzone, Resistance, Socom or create a new IP. They bought Bungie, let them make a new FPS.
@Dezzy70 Considering Sony let their studios make what they want and don't force them on to a single like MS does i think Sony are already way more positive then MS with its studios. Also CoD will be on PS deal or no deal because its the only way MS are getting Activision, MS have more to lose here then Sony by not putting CoD on PS.
Microsoft reminds me of those ugly rich men who have a micro you know what and only gets a good looking woman buy having a really expensive car like a Lambo, Ferrari or Ford GT. Meanwhile Sony reminds of a Nismo GT-R R35 or Skyline GT-R R34 which I'd much rather have
Good. MS gets Activision and gets to look at highly classified Sony docs. They will learn to counter Sony’s ugly exclusivity strategies.
Big loss for Sony and their fans. Next time, mind your business and let adults conduct theirs. Oh well.
@Fiendish-Beaver Wolverine is being funded and made by Sony. Silent Hills 2, KOTOR and Forspoken are timed. FF16 and FF7 Remakes are the only games we know off that are "never" hitting Xbox though that's never actually been confirmed. MS have been heavy on 3rd party deals for years now and its only recently Sony started copying them more.
@Mikey856
Many things are rubbish, as long as there is money and greed it will continue.
I really hope this crap is over soon, I'm tired of seeing Sony on its knees embarrassing itself in the name of greed.
@NEStalgia "The death of Playstation happened when Jim took over"
How is it when PlayStation is doing the best it's ever been.
@YonkoBuggyTheClown Funny if Sony didn't kick up a storm these 10 years deals and promises wouldn't exist, they forced MS into making these deals what i expect MS didn't want to make.
Also referring to Sony as kids and MS as adults is something only a fanboy bootlicking child would do. Imagine giving business advice to Sony and MS 🤣🤣🤣
I think it’s pretty ironic that a trillion dollar software company has to resort to these measures due to sucking at making compelling software. At the same time, it completely validates every PlayStation purchase over the last 22 years.
Guys, STOP TAKING THIS TOO PERSONAL!
Like seriously, it’s unbelievable how mad some people are that this is going through, your PS5 will not explode because of this, Sony will not stop releasing games because of this, PlayStation ain’t going anywhere because of this.
@KaijuKaiser EA is ironically a good source of a good AA middle ground with their originals initiative, with the likes of Lost in Random and It Takes Two being stand outs.
@Snake_V5 please elaborate
Can’t say I’m surprised. Figured things weren’t going to change.
@NEStalgia A wild Sploosh appears
Now this is a celebration I just can't ignore.
Activision are only gleeful because now they can sell our without sorting their own problems out.
@nomither6
PS Plus has better quality Games than Game Pass.
PlayStation has better quality and more exclusives than Xbox.
PlayStation is more popular than Xbox.
PlayStation has sold more than Xbox.
PlayStation has bigger install base than Xbox.
@Zeke68
Sony doesn't need to buy any of those companies, they just need to buy console exclusivity and pay enough money to keep new releases away from GamePass.
Its way cheaper and more effective than going on an acquisition spree.
@Fiendish-Beaver
I agree, MS have a slightly different 3rd party strategy. It’s focused around Gamepass. They get day one exclusivity for Gamepass. Sony do this as well of course with Plus, but to a far, far lesser extent. Instead, Sony do it more with retail releases. Same thing for both companies, Sony just do it to sell PS5 whereas MS do it to sell Gamepass.
@CielloArc
It’s only cheaper in the short term. But more expensive in the long term. Problem is, Sony aren’t a literal trillion dollar company like MS, Sony have to work on this smaller scale to try to compete.
@KaijuKaiser
Yes, exactly this. Some people are deliberately short sighted.
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I'd be more worried about MS owning another publisher. All digital is on its way to xbox... They got there in the end.
@GrimReaper @GrimReaperno no it isnt, it’s me spelling out a fact and then my opinion which I’m allowed thanks. And for the record I can’t stand marvel crap you’re right
@Widey85
He is right GamePass price will 100% go up in the new few years. It's not just about the $69 billion, development studios cost money to run Microsoft just got a lot more of them and I would imagine they'll do what they've did the other month let go a certain amount of Dev's from certain studios.
@TheCollector316 I don’t disagree, but I also can’t help but see the deal as a wake up call for Sony to stop screwing around with remakes no one wants and their live service obsession. The reality is that Bungie left Microsoft due to poor leadership and oversight, and seeing what happens to Halo with 343 it is very hard to deny that it’s a trend. Sony is very much still the market dominator, and that’s unlikely to change. Eventually Microsoft is going to have to put out some exclusives that aren’t just products of acquisitions, and with Starfield launching in September and Spider Man 2 being rumoured to launch in the same window they’re going to have to make some decisions on how to run their business. My opinion of Phil Spencer has shifted dramatically over the course of this debacle, as it’s looking more and more like he’s a gamer and not a businessman.
Obviously it’s important to care about your product, unlike Jim Ryan, but nothing remarkable has happened under Phil’s leadership outside of acquisitions.
@WallyWest
If it makes financial sense to have COD in PlayStation of course it should be.
Get ready for every AB game that was not already announced, but in developmnent, to be cancelled for PS4/5.
@Zeke68
Ok simple.
Port one PS5
Port two earc has to be port two.
Port three not HDMI 2:1
Port four not HDMI 2:1
Now where does my series x go or maybe the new Switch 2
Dumb Sony company no wonder LG and Samsung walk all over them now in the TV market with four full 2:1 HDMI ports.
@WallyWest I did, actually. On the sister site, in November 2021, I said that MS should buy ABK after their fresh new scandal at that time.
And here we are.
I have all consoles, but I play most on Xbox. That is just my preference. You have yours and I respect that.
This will give MS more leeway to negotiate with 3rd parties to get their games on Xbox, which is something I have been wanting. Sony using their market dominance to bully the industry has been annoying to watch. This will happen less now, and the industry will be better for it.
If you can’t see that, that’s on you. And I really don’t have much else to add to that conversation.
what changed in a week for the UK regulators to change their stance? oh, money and handshakes behind closed doors... got it.
The FTC making up the fake market segment of "high end home consoles" was the miscalculation that pushes this deal over the finish line. They made it solely about Xbox vs playstation and gave MS the golden argument of "look at how much more of the market Sony currently has." More than 90% in some countries. Any blockage would now appear as government stepping in to protect the far and away market leader of this fake segment.
The deal always should have gone through IMO, it is now a lock.
@Snake_V5 Comments to your statements:
PS Plus has better quality Games than Game Pass. This is just silly. It shows me you never have seen what is on Game Pass,
PlayStation has better quality and more exclusives than Xbox. I would say many more exclusives but not necessarily better quality.
PlayStation is more popular than Xbox. The US is about even but not everywhere else.
PlayStation has sold more than Xbox. Yes they have by a lot and is a true testament to Sony's marketing, games and influence. However, MS's long term strategy is not console sales.
PlayStation has bigger install base than Xbox. Yes, almost double. However, this does not include PC's. In the end it doesn't matter to MS as their install base will include console, PC, Mobile, streaming, etc.
I am not sure about the reasoning for your comment because it is facts everyone already knows.. I am assuming you are just upset that it is more likely now that ABK and MS will merge and you need to feel a sense of importance knowing you own in your eyes the #1 console? Remember, it is ok to like other things. No one is going to think less of you or at least I would hope not.
@Snake_V5 Eh...nope.
Microsoft can close acquisition without FTC's approval. FTC then needs to challenge merger in front of federal court, but since their arguments were weak in the first place, they probably won't do it. Otherwise they would be embarrassed like they are usually.
Remember, that FTC is 0:7 with merger challenges in front of federal judge.
Good! Enjoy the L, Sony. This has been a pathetic joke of a lawsuit this entire time.
Also, fire Jim Ryan. Useless, petty exec.
@cburg "PlayStation has better quality and more exclusives than Xbox. I would say many more exclusives but not necessarily better quality"
Really? So name me a game or games that are on the level on Xbox as these on PlayStation,
God of War,
Uncharted,
Ghost of Tsushima
Horizon
The Last of Us.
How can you even say not necessarily better quality when everyone knows that's what Sony and PlayStation is known for? Quality.
"Sony’s campaign to protect its dominance by blocking our merger can't overcome the facts..."
So in a few years Xbox could be the dominant one.
Lots of Xbox owners on here chuckling. You won’t be when your game pass subscription starts to rocket. MS will not want its gaming division making losses forever, and GP is a loss making subscription service as it stands. MS are gambling on getting enough subscribers signed up before they start ramping up the price. Doesn’t matter how much people think they can write off losses and shrug their shoulders, eventually the CEO of MS wants a return on his 69b dollar asset and his gaming division overall.
Also, somebody on here has said they will stump up the cash for this outright. No. Companies don’t blow 70% of their cash reserves on a purchase, especially when their cash reserves have been falling for the past few years (Google it). And before you ask, I know they won’t because I work in finance for a multinational company. So this will be serviced by debt to some extent. And debt has become very expensive in the last 12 months. The days of cheap game pass are numbered.
I could be wrong, but with the mountains MS has had to climb with regulators on this buyout. I dont believe they will be able to buy another publisher and it go through. This I believe will be the end of there major buyouts.
@Fiendish-Beaver Microsoft actually couldn’t outbid Sony for timed exclusives. Think about it, Playstation has a far bigger user base than Xbox. Hogwarts for instance, 80% of console sales were on Playstation. A dev is gonna choose Sony over Microsoft every time as they know their game will sell millions more on Playstation. Microsoft would have to cover the difference to win the bid which wouldn’t be economically viable.
@Fiendish-Beaver
Well for one thing once this has been approved then there is absolutely nothing stopping M$ from buying up all the studios and publishers it wants. There's nothing left that will cost more than the $69 billion they're spending on this (which is why i think they put the price so high) and now they will have set a precedence with this purchase.
And then:
This will just be a repeat of the practices they used in the 80's and early 90's to remove all competition from the OS and corporate space. They'll be undercutting Nintendo and Sony on cost soon until they are forced out of the market and then they will put their prices up. Their bean counters are just eyeing up another juicy market they can strip for profit.
Sony are bad enough from a corporate perspective, but at least they get games, they back the creative process. M$ are just terrible at games, they always have been and that will never change. The studios they buy will be crushed under red tape and deadlines and the games will suffer as a result e.g. Halo
And everything will be locked behind a games for hire scheme, can't afford your subscription anymore? All your games are inaccessible? Tough luck, you wanted this.
This is just one of those defining moments where we as species display, with great alacrity, our ability to walk, with eyes wide open, into the worst possible outcome. And 50% of us even cheer it on.
@Ken_Kaniff there is def only so much they can buy. Monopolising an industry isn’t allowed.
@Ken_Kaniff
Well, if they have managed to convince the regulators that it’s OK because console sales and games on multiple devices are all that matter, then there is nothing now blocking them from further purchases. They will for the moment still be lower in console sales and they’ll be pushing everything out on sub services, especially games pass.
The only thing that could stop them continuing to buy everything up in the short term (they will be the market leader in console sales next gen because of this, should they release another console) is the investigation into how it impacts the subscription market and whether they risk a monopoly. But, of course, that’s why they have made deals for games with other failing sub services.
They’ll buy them eventually of course. Or just drive them out of business with their purchased games catalogue. Classic Microsoft
@SplooshDmg Wuuuuuuut? I would honestly be less shocked if Shu Yoshida joined the thread to celebrate Xbox than seeing you here again!
@Snake_V5 If you're judging when the platform is at its best by when it's making the most money and sales volume, you're rooting for the wrong team, you should be on Team Apple.
You've been through many PS gens. Can you say PS is at it's best under Jim ,and with Jim's future plans, unironically, with a straight face? Sure it's making the most quarterly business gains. Is the platform the best platform it can be for the current moment in time? With the best forward (for the players, not for the investors) strategy? Or is it a protectionist, safe platform that's closed ranks to keep the status quo from changing?
That's not the PlayStation Ken Kutaragi built. Even if he did mess it up in his own time, too.
@KaijuKaiser You really best summarized it when you compared it to Nintendo. That's the problem. Nintendo is, and has always been a blood sucking entity. Their business practices have always been at the low bar for ethics and symbiosis with their vendors and customers, both, and Hiroshi Yamuchi was a shark and a tyrant who set the tone of the company. They slightly softened under Iwata's leadership, and now are back to their old ways. Sony built its entire PS brand on being the opposite of Nintendo, but Jim has been copying Nintendo almost in lock-step, and chasing revenue maximization over and seeing how far they can push a market before the market cracks, leaning into Sony's "up-market" brand for a platform that was built on being a big-tent, etc. etc.
Jim's leadership is built on making the most return on each sale today, not built on making a lasting, long term strategy. That's great for his bonuses, and it's great for monthly "hooray Sony made more money again!" articles on Push Square and WSJ, and is in-line with standard American corporate strategy. But it's one worthy of criticism for the long haul, and as a customer today.
PS was a better brand before Jim, and whether or not Microsoft is "buying" a consumer friendly image or not by losing money, it's Jim's strategy that builds the marketplace for them do do so. It's Jim's strategy that made them so dependent on CoD to begin with.
Largely it's Jim's lack of vision and real strategy that keeps him in lock step with the expectations of Ken Yoshida (formerly of Sony Finance), of pushing these quarterly gains initiatives, and gives the lack of foresight to say "no, chasing the short term gains now risks the long-term stability of the product's place in the market." If MS can become dominant, even by buying dominance, it's because Jim handed them the opportunity to do so, exactly as Don handed Sony the opportunity in 2013.
All ABK games including COD day one on game pass! Thanks in advance to all Sony fans for buying a copy of cod to help finance this & make this come true! You are the best!
@cburg Playstation exclusives are on another level to Xbox exclusives. In the last 10 years how many times has an Xbox exclusive won GOTY? How many Xbox exclusives get an overall average review score of 10/10? How many Xbox exclusives have sold 20+ million copies? Xbox has Forza an Gears which are great but old. Halo which i’m not a fan of but i know a lot like it. Wat else??? Sea of Thieves, not bad. Playstation has TLOU 1 an 2, Uncharted 1-4, Lost Legacy, God of War, GoW Ragnarok, Ghost of Tsushima, GT7, Days Gone, Ratchet an Clank, Horizon, Spiderman, Miles, etc. There is no comparison. I have both PS5 an Series X, PS+ an Game Pass. PS def has the better games 💯!!
@YonkoBuggyTheClown MS have had way more 3rd party deals these past 3 Gens then Sony has. Sony hasn't bullied anyone and if anything MS the Trillion Dollar company is the one bullying and they have even admitted in killing games sales by putting games on Gamepass.
@WallyWest Please buy cod & other ABK titles so we can continue getting all those games day one on game pass. Thanks in advance!
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@dogtanian69 There's only one thing that has made the deal possible and that is daddy Microsoft's endless sums of money. If Xbox was its own identity and had to fund these deals through its own means it wouldn't be remotely able to make such a large purchase.
@sjbsixpack Well said.
@dogtanian69 Or i could just play them through Gamepass on my SS as that's only way i would bother playing CoD nowadays.
@BeerIsAwesome Yeah i have a Samsung and only have 2 HDMI slots, its a pain when you have 3 consoles.
@BeerIsAwesome
Most Samsung top models do have 4 HDMI 2:1 ports the same as the LG C2 for example.
Yes lower model’s don’t always have 4 of them.
@dogtanian69 Thanks.
Microsoft can buy up all the developers that they want. They'll still never make anything as good as Sony's exclusives.
@NEStalgia Oh, I wouldn't miss this one for anything. I mean, I like my PS5, it's fine. But I like the utter madness MS is stirring up WAY MORE.
@Kevw2006 TBH if XBox was it own identity. We wouldn’t even be talking about them. Much less know what an “X-box” is right now. The brand would have died before the original Xbox ever released.
I'm more interested in what Sony will do to counter this deal
#WeStandWithJim✊🏻
Disgraceful that this acquisition is being allowed to go through, just like it's disgraceful the Bethesda deal happened. And yes I'd be saying the same if it was Sony or Nintendo doing this. Hell I've even expressed concerns over Tencent and Embracer owning or getting their hands in as much as they have and those latter two will obviously keep stuff multiplat.
I love it!!! You know Jim Ryan is pissing and moaning like the little bitch he is. Good to see that they didn't fall for his b.s. Any day that Jim Ryan is crying is a good day in my book.
I’ve said for a while now that Microsoft will offer these games in a traditional manner but it will get to the point to where they won’t sell them, you will only be able to play them on a subscription service that’s 25$ or higher a month, and when it comes to other competitors like Sony, the only way they will be able to have the games is if they allow GamePass on their consoles.
Microsoft will eventually strong arm everyone.
Finally. Let this crap end.
Well the regulators are right. CoD might just not be a force to reckon with in future, everybody move along.
Jeez, this comment thread is a mess. As for what I think on the topic, I personally don't really care about Xbox owning ActiBlizz. COD stopped being my favorite FPS a long time ago.
My worries lie with Crash and Spyro being Xbox exclusives since those are the only games i like from Activision.
They might have to wait 10 years but I'll be amazed if CoD doesn't end up exclusive eventually and assuming CoD is still as relevant as it is now a lot of people will swap from PS to Xbox.
Sony have already tried and failed multiple times to compete with CoD.
Can't fault Microsoft though, they needed more 1st party games and can afford to just buy publishers. Kinda annoying that they didn't spend the money to fund new teams and create new IP though.
And all this talk of letting people play wherever they want or on more devices is hilarious. Starfield and others would have been available to more users if they'd remained multiplatform.
@tallythwack This is what I've been thinking this whole time. What will Sony's reaction be?
I'm very eager to see what they show us next from their stable. And they'll really have to produce something very special in the live service space now so they don't need to rely on the likes of CoD and FIFA anymore.
Good Sony will buy square enix they’re in protect they’re invest mode now.
@4kgk2 would rather them buy R*.. that would stab them in the throat for sure!
@WolfyTn Microsoft can’t buy take two that official put them in monopoly territory.
@Allfather Please stop crying.
You are absolutely right, @get2sammyb. I am making a lot of assumptions, but that does not mean that I am wrong. And you are right, Microsoft could just waltz up and outbid Sony for an exclusive, but it would still then be exclusive to the Xbox, and the PlayStation would still miss out, and the PlayStation gamers would have just as much reason to be unhappy with the situation.
We have to assume that Sony have paid for many different exclusive games from Square Enix, for example, and yes, I know there is a history there, but had Microsoft outbid Sony, and grabbed all the Final Fantasy games for themselves, PlayStation gamers would feel right aggrieved.
You are correct that Microsoft have gone nuclear, but the games would be just as gone if they had individually bought exclusive rights to each and every game in development, and I often see people saying that Microsoft could buy exclusivity too, but if they did that, PlayStation gamers would be just as unhappy, and rightly so.
I have never argued that what Microsoft is doing is a good thing, only attempting to say that it's just possible that they have made these acquisitions in response to the tactics employed by Sony. However, people seem to assume that because I am questioning why it is that this acquisition is happening, that I am in fact advocating for Microsoft, which I am not. And it's kind of sad, truth be told...
@Jaz007 The CMA have proven to be absolutely clueless during this entire process. They know nothing about the games industry and were clearly swayed by Sony's "poor me" rhetoric.
@KaijuKaiser Yes, I’ve said the same thing every time people get riled up about this because it’s true, it’s just business between companies but some people genuinely believe that MS bought ABK just to screw with PS users as if it was a personal vendetta lol.
While CoD is indeed a relevant revenue stream it’s not as important as Sony made it seem, and come on, it’s Sony we’re talking about not some indie developer, they have some of the most talented studios in the entire world and owners of one of the best FPS studio in the whole industry, I’m really looking forward to the competition Sony will eventually create, and yes I know they’ll not get to CoD levels of success right away but with the talent they have and proper support it’s definitely possible to get there over time, and who knows what will happen in 10 years, maybe MS screws the franchise and it stops being as relevant as it’s today, literally everything can happen.
Times have moved on, @cuttlefishjones, I honestly do not believe that Microsoft have this intention in mind. In all honesty, with the dominance of Sony right now, if this deal had fallen through, if anyone had been foreclosed, it would probably have been the Xbox. Whilst Microsoft have the funds to buy what they want, had this dela not gone through, I'm not so sure that they would have been up for the fight because they would not be a position to compete...
I genuinely hope that because of Sony's ridiculous posturing, whining and crying, that Xbox do actually make CoD exclusive. I couldn't care less about seeing it on my PS5/Switch/Switch 2 but it would be amazing to see that smarmy, greasy grin wiped off Jim Ryan's very punchable face.
@Porco Grow up.
Some of these comments are absolutely hilarious. I get some are upset with today's news, and some do feel very strongly about it, but it just seems a bit crazy to me
All this talk about Call of Duty, I hope they take the majority off that and let them go and make other games. Have the main 3 on COD, (IW, Treyarch, Sledgehammer) and have the others go and do other bits. The back catalog and IP of Activision is so rich I'm hoping we get some bits brought back. Starcraft. Spyro. Personally, I'd love a new Guitar Hero.
I don't think they will be able to do anything in terms of major publishers after, although I guess they will definitely continue to expand with smaller studios.
I would argue if Sony continue to put out the games they do, they will be quite alright.
Wonder what this means for diablo 4 and beyond if it goes through
I obviously have not read this whole comment thread but... about the constant "CoD killer"... there already is one... it's called Fortnite. Just because it's not an FPS, does not mean it isn't competing for a very similar audience.
@sjbsixpack When the word quality was mentioned I must have misunderstood to mean graphics, etc. In terms of overall games, sales and popularity Sony is ahead by miles. I finally got a PS5 last year as I missed the entire PS4 generation so I am catching up. I think PS has great games but I like Xbox games just as much, only PS has more of them.
@Mikey856 ...CoD has had its day ?? Have you been living under a rock ? Its been the best selling game for Sony for the last 3 years. Losing CoD would be a major major loss for them
Sony must be embarrassed by all the crying
@Ohdear
For someone that works in finance, you don't seem to have a good grasp on equity and how bad it is to keep so much cash at hand during a period of high inflation.
@johnny30 The deal will take 6-12 months to even close fully and integrate the companies, if not more, and Diablo 4 will be well established on PS by then. I don't think D4 will be at all affected from the PS perspective, Diablo 5 though would be relatively unlikely, but not impossible as it's also a very online oriented game.
@johnny30
It wont mean anything for Diablo 4, even if the acquisition closes before launch, it takes months for restructuring to actually happen, so I doubt it will even launch of Game Pass, even in such a situation.
All this means for D4 is that eventually it will hit Game Pass, likely by the end of the year for sure.
Diablo 5 is likely another 10 years away, though, and that I expect to be PC and XBox only.
@NEStalgia ahh ok, I've noticed diablo 4 does seem more like an mmo;, from playing the beta last weekend
@Tharsman if that's the case I may abandon playstation and focus on my gaming pc ; in another ten years
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@atb_93 The $69Billion will get paid back by Sony customers buying cod & the ABK titles. Every $69.99 spent by Sony customers is another chunk of that money paid back & yet another day one game pass cod release for xbox players to enjoy. Your kindness is appreciated.
@johnny30 what about all other PlayStation first party games? Even if they make it to PC, they seem set to have a 12 month gap, and not all games are likely to be ported.
@MacRider I can't wait to play all the crash/spyro games on game pass! Thanks for reminding me of those great titles.
@Saitama117 According to Sony themselves, they rely on income from cod to make these single player, cut scene heavy games exclusive. Microsoft will soon ve getting that revenue. Without that revenue, I wonder what will happen? Time will tell.
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@Fiendish-Beaver @Snake_V5 Well fortunately for all of us game pass subscribers the deal looks as if it will go through. Your concerns were duly noted though & I'll think of you momentarily when I'm playing my ABK games day one on game pass.
@BeerIsAwesome
I get what you mean, but Sony should make the effort with their top end TVs by now especially in 2023. And the extra price they charge.
That’s why I got an LG C2 65inch last year and not a Sony tv.
I need 2 HDMI 2:1 and earc for sound system.
Then when switch 2 pops up maybe 3 HDMI 2:1.
It wouldn’t be so bad if one of the two HDMI 2:1 on the Sony TV wasn’t the earc port as well.
Just stupid and being tight, that’s what they are.
Glad Samsung and LG have taken their market share or most of it anyway. Sony deserves it.
You thought they would have leant a few years ago with the whole low latency Dolby vision thing on their blu rays players, but no Sony never do learn, apart from a bit in the gaming market.
@KingPev have you seen what Cod USED to sell? Player counts have declined enormously already for MW2
@WallyWest There’s a clear winner here - gamepass subscribers
@__jamiie Doesn't take away them being amazing though being honest.
@dogtanian69 All those mediocre games yeah.
If you're an adult and you want to play games on every console then you own every console. You make financial compromises in life to do/possess what you enjoy and short of a decent PC rig, gaming is very affordable, especially with the subscription models or if you're patient enough to wait for games to go on sale. It's also naive to think either of these companies are looking out for gamers. At all. Profit is the name of the game, end of story.
@YonkoBuggyTheClown melt😂
@EVIL-C … There was no lawsuit?
@Snake_V5 I specifically said they were good games.
@Snake_V5 The FTC will follow the all the other regulators & approve the deal. Sorry snake. It's not been a good day for you has it?
@__jamiie Sorry, my mistake.
@cburg quality wise as in visuals an performance there is zero difference for me. I know a lot say Series X is more powerful or X games runs better on PS5 but i don’t see it. They are pretty much identical to my eyes. Playstation exclusives are def the best games around tho imo.
@sjbsixpack True and sometimes games look and run better on PlayStation.
@Snake_V5
PS Plus has better quality Games than Game Pass.
-Thats subjective & gamepass is much cheaper, available also on PC, and includes day 1 releases.
PlayStation has better quality and more exclusives than Xbox.
-Elaborate on quality please, because the PS5 is weaker than the series X and has no more affordable alternative like the series S; Series X has more features than the PS5, BC across 4 generations, modding, PC intergration; & those exclusives existed before Jim Ryan took over and started ruining the brand. The ps3 generation brought the exclusives that carried the PS4 generation with only PS4 providing Horizon and the PS5 providing NOTHING.
PlayStation is more popular than Xbox.
-McDonalds is the most popular burger joint and fast food chain, but anyone with some sense knows theres tons of better places; popularity=/=quality. And PS success came long before Dim Ryan.
PlayStation has sold more than Xbox.
PlayStation has bigger install base than Xbox.
Because of previous merits and generations that was established. Any empty-suit could be in charge of a successful brand and hide behind the shadows of its success and be looked at as ''doing something good'' .
@Shepherd_Tallon @WolfyTn Microsoft, Google, Amazon or Apple would simply outbid them. Sony are a billion dollar company but to compete with the big boys, you need TRILLIONS of dollars.
@thefourfoldroot1 Imo, there is no way they get another publisher buyout to go through. Like I said I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. Only one of those regulators have to block it for it not to go through, and after this I don't see all three being on board for a third publisher. Either way I'll never support MS. I'll go down with Sony and just play Nintendo the rest of my life before I support there sleazy business tactics.
@dogtanian69 Good thing I have a gaming pc to fall back on, that way we can both have fun! 😉
@__jamiie The CMA have proven to be absolutely clueless during this entire process. They know nothing about the games industry and were clearly swayed by Microsoft's "plucky underdog" rhetoric.
The sad thing is that despite PS5 dominating Xbox, Microsoft triumphs over Sony, and if Sony loses money on Call of Duty sales on their console it could impact the budgets that fund future projects.
With the regulators approving this deal, it means Sony can pretty much acquires any developers and publishers they want and the regulators won't be able to lift a finger because they will already have approved this. If they tried to block an acquisition from Sony, they'd just look like hypocrites.
Good luck Micro$oft in wining the console market in Europe and Japan. CoD has had its day isn’t it time for something else to come long and gash into their user base?
@Zeke68 Sony only has $5 Billion left to spend it said, which one of those studios is selling for $5billion? Take Two will make $1 Billion a day for 3 weeks when GTA 6 releases.
@WallyWest what samsung tv do you have?
@GigaGaia that's not how M&A works at all
@nomither6 a typical fanboy response.
Playstation make the best games, this is fact! You could argue it’s subjective but the quality of the games is so big it isn’t really subjective. It clear as crystal.
Playstation has far better pads. PS5 pads are next gen, Series pads, whilst great, are the same as last gen pads.
Playstation loads games about double the speed of the Series X.
Playstation has far more games available. PS+ also has more games than Game Pass.
You say the Series X is more powerful? Not really. Ok it has about 1.5 more teraflops. However this is tiny! Your eyes can’t see a difference in 1.5 teraflops. For example the Series S is about 4.5 teraflops yet it still looks fantastic.
Lots of games run better on PS5, check out Digital Foundry’s numerous comparisons to see this.
PS5 has about 5 or 6 PS5 exclusives, Series X has none!! Unless ya count Flight Sim which is a PC game.
@sjbsixpack you lost me at fanboy
@nomither6 fanboy - a person who treats video games like sports teams. You support your team, you defend them regardless, you hate your biggest rivals and slag them off, you wouldn’t be seen dead wearing a rival teams shirt regardless if it was a nice shirt. Fanboy.
@get2sammyb I don't think I said "it's good that cod will be unavailable on playstation system" though? I said "it's good sony can't make exclusive cod deals anymore".
Also vr in general is kind of losing hype, unlike psvr1 people already understand there's not much money will be made in vr so there's no hope of a big AAA games for it anymore.
@Sabconth I don't know about killzone but I remember resistance is pretty successful, not selling as good as cod of course.
@sjbsixpack brand loyalty is for suckers like you , i criticize something whenever i don’t like it , & i don’t care what it is . show me a person who has 1 single shoe brand , tv & electronics brand , clothing brand , car brand , cleaning brand , food brand , etc in their house
i’ll wait 🤡
Someone just got bribed, I reckon. UK couldn't regulate the temperature of a bath without getting some kind of kickback.
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Thank god this all might be finally be over even if I'm not a fan of huge take overs. What this whole sorry saga has shown me though is...
1) how petty and slimy big corps can be.
2) How after all this time that console wars are still a big thing which actually makes gamers look really bad!
It's honestly been embarrassing to read what has been said by some on this site and sister sites by certain individuals and when gaming can be such a beautiful thing that can bring people together, it can also be a thing that causes anger and resentment.
Such a shame to see. I also include myself in my disappointment of being swept up in the madness.
@nomither6 where have i stated i have brand loyalty? You’re getting all confused.
@nomither6 all i did was corrected your inaccurate post. It’s ok to be wrong. As you were. 🤡 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Personally, keep COD, just don't take Diablo lol. Although if you do, Diablo on pc it is. Won't buy Xbox, if it weren't for GP that console would be dead.
Also, COD is like FIFA. You've played one you've played them all. Different "skins" that's all. Old school COD used to be fun though.
Honestly, it’s flabbergasting, it’s bad enough people that claim to be real gamers claim this won’t hurt competition, how can anyone say the biggest 3rd party franchise being owned by one of Xbox or Sony is a good thing for gamers?!??
I’d be against it if it was Sony just as I am for Xbox.
Ridiculous decision but this is a Tory run UK. Stupid is common place.
@sjbsixpack brand loyalty and fanboyism go hand-in-hand, and youre the one butthurt over someone criticizing your favorite toy, but im the fanboy ? im an objective person and play no sides.
@Bleachedsmiles I’m a GPU subscriber and I haven’t won. Same as the Bethesda deal. I get a load of old games “free” but Bethesda and Activision will release less games to fit in a GPU calendar meaning less of the games I love.
Before we could see a Forza game, COD and Fallout all release same month and now that just won’t happen. IPs will become pretty much dormant as the back catalog is leaned on: MS and Sony have plenty of dormant IPs they can use and don’t adding another 30 from Activision and Bethesda has made that worse especially when you’ll get 4/5 big game a year MAX from Xbox and we all know they have all now put GaaS elements in their major AAA games to try and hook people into GPU for longer.
I’d rather pay for games and get proper campaigns and more of them.
@Dezzy70 I get it, I totally forgot eArc even if I use it myself - thought it was on port 3 but you right, Sony should have at least 2 2.1 + 1 eArc port.
But if you connect your Switch the last 2 ports supports everything but vrr and allm so I don't see the problem. They even support full HDR through Dolby Vision on my TV. Switch - does it even have vrr and allm?
Edit - those two last ports only have about 60-70% of the bandwidth, but switch don't need full 2.1 and in honesty does even xbox use it apart from bragging on the box itself? I know not a single PS5 game use it this far so I'm sceptical the others do use it fully tbh.
@Stocksy whole lot of stupid written their friend.
First, having games not all come out in the same month isn’t a bad thing - long as they actually come out. It’s beneficial for the gamer. Importantly it’s beneficial for the developer.
Second, back catalogues are created because…? If you said too many games coming out at a particular time then you are ‘getting it’.
MS plan for gamepass is one big release per calendar month…that’s their goal. Resulting in a steady consistent stream of Xbox content - adding value to a service that ultimately will just contain Xbox content…which will in turn remove barriers for gamepass being on more platforms…such as playstation.
Third, adding more devs hasn’t made current dormant IPs any more dormant. If anything it will allow more chances of those IP being resurrected. We’re already seeing this is the case with newer MS Xbox studios - currently working on new Perfect dark and fable games
Fourth, Unfortunately GAAS games are going to be unavoidable. And have no relation to this ABK deal going through. Sony currently have a reported 10 GAAS games in development…without having made such a giant acquisition.
Lastly, you can pay for games if you choose…regardless of gamepass. It’s up to you.
@Zeke68
With me series x through HDMI 2:1 I get full VRR, Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos and 120fps.
Yes most of it is gimmick being honest but it’s nice to have the above at 60fps with Dolby Vison and Atmos even if some of it isn’t true and sort of fake. Gears 6 and Hive busters are true Dolby Vision and Atmos at 60 fps though.
But then again I play Switch the most lately at good old 1080P 60FPS maximum 😂
@nomither6 you weren’t criticising, you were pointing out why your fav toy is the best an posting false info. I don’t really have a fav toy, i’d say PS5 an Series X are pretty identical. Only diff really is Playstation devs make the best games. Hence why i do prefer Playstation. That could easily change, if Xbox started releasing mind blowing, story driven games i’d say they are equal or maybe even Xbox has the better games.
@Sabconth Kill Zone and Resistance were pretty good. I liked them better than COD.
@sjbsixpack “ you weren’t criticising, you were pointing out why your fav toy is the best”
ok whatever karen , please stop replying to me . i can’t take another dumb reply
@Tharsman oh I know all that, but the point is you don’t burn 70% of your cash reserves on one transaction. And by the time the transaction goes through, inflation will have dropped to reasonable levels. So wind your neck in dude.
@BeerIsAwesome
I think my point i I would have gone Sony OLED last year had it had the four HDMI 2:1 ports.
Or even 2 with the earc on one of the other two none HDMI 2:1 ports as a compromise.
Yes they lost the sale for being years behind or tight, to LG in this case.
That’s why they third now or lower in the TV market they just do daft things other at Sony TV HQ.
@Ohdear you do if it’s impactful enough and if investors are extremely upset at how much money you have losing value and potential in the bank. It’s not like ABK is a gamble, they make ridiculous profits every year, and have a huge foothold on mobile, a gigantic growth opportunity for MS.
MS almost acquired Discord for 40 billion, they are desperate to get rid of that money and convert it into growth.
Funny enough, had the Discord deal gone through, they would have had not enough money to afford ABK.
@Loamy I don't disagree . "Big tech" companies became too big and there is no rewind button + in the game industry Sony's acting like one of them imo. In the gaming space MS is small compared to others and they need to compete (they don't stand any chance in Japan imo). ABK doesn't make them suddenly the number one in the industry. They still need to prove themselves in a way Sony already did, like in SP experiences.
Buying ABK doesn't mean succes instantly, so I'm very curious what will happen long term. There will be exclusives but a lot of them will stay multiplat, I'm sure.
Maybe I'm naive but MS as Xbox is doing something different. Gamers can be very loud if they aren't happy (the always online thing in Redfall).
The landscape will change, no doubt but I'm more curious of what Embracer Group and Tencent are doing between now and 5-10 years. Will there be another competitor on the market?
Will Apple make another console?
Google tried and failed but what if they had 3 new succesful IP's like a Halo, GOW, ... etc.?
What is next after ABK for MS but also for Sony who has to adapt?
Spending a lot of money is one thing, being succesful another.
Nintendo is also coming with something new (maybe it will feel like just an upgrade maybe they add something unexpected?)
Because at the end of the day, games are lucrative, hence making movies, series, ... about those games. Interesting times!
Having work with the CMA in the past I can say they never change their guidance, ever. The only way this happened was some info they placed a high weight on was shown to be fabricated. Most info is expected to be manipulated to be very beneficial to the submitting party and the does not change anything. The have basically stated they have been completely lied to by a interested party, I'm presuming that's Sony but that's no more than a presumption. It's hard to state just how rare this is and just how badly that leaves the party that lied in future interactions. I did message a contact I have in the CMA and got a instant "DON'T ASK" response so who knows but I'm smelling some very burnt bridges
@__jamiie wow it was a joke lighten up. Why you so bitter with such a pathetic jab at me. It's not my fault you can't take a joke or move on. No need to be so bitter towards me and turn it into some fanboy nonsense especially when it's just a light hearted joke, it wasn't aimed at you. If you are offended by it I'm not gonna apologise for it when it's just a joke
@nomither6 really hurts being called out for posting false info doesn’t it? Fanboys are so touchy!!
In an interesting twist, which I’m sure will be brought up to regulators, Microsoft is now threatening to block AI competitors from utilizing Bing for results…because they’re pro-consumer and all.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-25/microsoft-threatens-to-restrict-bing-data-from-rival-ai-search-tools#xj4y7vzkg
I think you are probably right, @sjbsixpack, which means two things, to my mind, firstly, Sony being so dominant and snapping up so many third-party exclusives, is why Microsoft have taken the nuclear option of buying publishers. That way, Sony are unable to obtain exclusive rights. And secondly, perhaps Sony are at this moment simply too dominant, and as a consequence, if the likes of Microsoft could not compete (or viably outbid) Sony, then no one can, and to a great extent, I think that is why the ABK deal was always going to go through...
I thank you for your concern, @dogtanian69, but it really isn't necessary as I've been a Game Pass subscriber for a few years now...
@Fiendish-Beaver i don’t agree with timed exclusives, it should be stopped imo. I’m all for exclusive games made by Sony or Microsoft devs, that’s a good thing imo. Wat should happen is proper exclusives, TLOU, God of War, Uncharted, Halo, Forza, etc are fine.
Timed exclusives should be stopped.
If Microsoft or Sony acquire a dev that has an already huge, multi platform game, like CoD that game must come to both systems indefinitely. If Microsoft owned Activision releases a new ip in a couple of years or so then Microsoft have the right to make that exclusive if they wish.
That’s how i think things should be.
@BleedingDreamer same bro. I say get Bungie on a Killzone reboot. Destiny 2 has nearly as many weekly concurrent players as MW2. Destiny 2 is years old
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@Toypop
Where did I say anything about Sony?
Frankly, I find it morbidly fascinating that a trillion dollar company lacks the capability to develop and release quality games and feels the only way for its gaming segment to survive is to buy up developers that have consistently been multi platform and make their games exclusive.
Sony will keep making great games. Microsoft can’t stop that.
One single game making all this hooplah and it's not even a game I've been into for almost 10 years. What are they on now, COD 28? Nobody knows less about gaming than a government stooge. Just relax.
@nomither6 i agree but don’t be so hard on ya self, it doesn’t upset me that you post false stuff an get arsy when someone puts ya straight. Please don’t block me, i’ll be devastated, i don’t know how i’ll go on in life never reading your inaccurate posts any more. I’ll be so upset and i’ll miss ya!! 🤦♂️🤦♂️😂😂😂😂
@tselliot I've never been into COD games at all, military/war simulators just aren't my thing.
@sjbsixpack read my initial post again #239 , and tell me what i said that was false , and tell me how any of what i said was indicative of being a fanboy; im about to put you in your place before i block you .
Ok, Playstation has no affordable alternative. Yes it does, the digital PS5 is £100 less than the disc version. PS5 is weaker than Series X, that’s kinda both right an wrong. Xbox has slightly more teraflops, however lots of games perform better on PS5. This isn’t my opinion, Digital Foundry have shown this numerous times in their vids. Also about 1.5 teraflops difference is nothing. The Series S is about 4.5 teraflops yet it’s visually stunning an not a million miles behind the Series X or PS5. Series X has more features, i’m not sure what ya mean here??? Quick resume? I know the PS5 has far superior pads. Whilst it’s a great pad the Series X pad is the same as the Xbox One pad. PS4 exclusives only brought Horizon, WHAT??? PS4 had absolutely loads of exclusives that scored 10/10 across the board! The Last of Us 2, God of War, Uncharted 4, Spiderman, Miles, Ghost of Tsushima, Days Gone, Detroit, etc. Your popularity thing is just silly. Xbox would overtake Playstation in no time if more people deemed it the better console. Playstation 2 is the biggest selling console ever, you saying PS5 is the biggest selling console of the two because of PS2’s success??? I have absolutely no problem you preferring the Xbox, that’s fine. Opinions differ, just don’t feel you have to hate Playstation too, that’s silly. That’s fanboyish. Love them both, you’ll have far more fun!!
@sjbsixpack "Playstation has no affordable alternative. Yes it does, the digital PS5 is £100 less than the disc version."
"PS5 is weaker than Series X, that’s kinda both right an wrong."
"Xbox has slightly more teraflops, however lots of games perform better on PS5. "
"This isn’t my opinion, Digital Foundry have shown this numerous times in their vids. Also about 1.5 teraflops difference is nothing."
"The Series S is about 4.5 teraflops yet it’s visually stunning an not a million miles behind the Series X or PS5."
"Series X has more features, i’m not sure what ya mean here???"
"I know the PS5 has far superior pads. Whilst it’s a great pad the Series X pad is the same as the Xbox One pad."
@sjbsixpack "PS4 exclusives only brought Horizon, WHAT??? PS4 had absolutely loads of exclusives that scored 10/10 across the board! The Last of Us 2, God of War, Uncharted 4, Spiderman, Miles, Ghost of Tsushima, Days Gone, Detroit, etc."
"Your popularity thing is just silly. Xbox would overtake Playstation in no time if more people deemed it the better console."
"Playstation 2 is the biggest selling console ever, you saying PS5 is the biggest selling console of the two because of PS2’s success???"
"I have absolutely no problem you preferring the Xbox, that’s fine."
"Opinions differ, just don’t feel you have to hate Playstation"
@nomither6 so it matters to you that one has a higher number, in spite of performance? Sounds like brand loyalty to me.
The digital PS5 rrp is £100 less than the disc, just because stores near you rip people off doesn’t change this. An yeah the Series S is a bargain price but you are gettin less for ya money. The only difference in the PS5 disc an digital is the disc drive, it has has the same power an same memory. The pads are different an feal different to use, some folk may well prefer the Xbox pad, i had to get used to the sticks not being side by side but i’m good with it now. But even if ya prefer the Xbox pad there is no denying the PS pads are true next gen. Sony invented a NEW pad, Microsoft didn’t.
@nomither6 and wat you said about games is hilarious!!? 😂😂
So Halo 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Gears 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Forza 2, 3, 4, 5, Motorsport aren’t exclusives? Wat does that leave Xbox??? An Days Gone apparently released with lots of bugs, i didn’t play it until about 9 pm on release, by then the bugs had gone so i never saw. Now everyone raves about it, it’s a fantastic game!!
‘Buy your Dreams’ ‘Pay has no limits’
This is Capitalism in its purest form.
The one with the most $ will win.
@thefourfoldroot1 “Maybe they will make MS put COD on plus for as long as it is on Gamepass. Day and date. At a reasonable price to Sony.”
This is where Sony’s massive market share hurts them. A “reasonable price” is a dollar amount that would recoup the money lost from sales. That’s how it works for Gamepass. Bigger games cost more money, because they would make more money selling the games. Because PS has such a massive number of players, it would cost more for Sony to get this on their subscription service.
Anyone expect different from corrupt US govt? MS was even using its bought Redmond politicians to lobby in congress for this merger to happen. It was pretty much done once the european slaves approved it,
US govt is so bad this days it makes Donald "grab 'em by the p*ssy" Trump seem like a white knight coming to the rescue. X.....D
@arsmolinarc
This is the U.K. regulator. The FTC has so far sued to stop it.
@Hypoman
Of course it’s Capitalism. Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, ABK, EA, all of them only exist to make money.
Following on from this, Microsoft completely got rid of the £1/$1 Game Pass Ultimate trial/upgrade deal that cropped up a lot over the past 4 years. You used to be able to upgrade up to 3 years of Gold to Ultimate or just try out Ultimate for a month for £1/$1 but that is no more.
It's been obvious for awhile now but this is proof that Game Pass will get more expensive because of this acquisition. The next stages will probably be Microsoft ditching Gold resulting in having to have Ultimate to play games that aren't FTP online and a general price increase to Game Pass.
@Mikey856 I think Sony bought Bungie for that reason. The next franchise that Bungie develops will be a Playstation exclusive. Bungie is the best at first person shooters.
@BleedingDreamer I really hope so. I think it could do wonders for certain franchises
@get2sammyb I meant court case. The legal matter currently going over the purchase of Activision-Blizzard by Microsoft.
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