In a dramatic twist that we frankly never saw coming, the UK's Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) has blocked Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard after months of investigations and deliberations.
Microsoft's industry-shaking $69 billion buyout of the colossal publisher has, predictably, been the subject of much discussion. Following on from reports in March that the CMA was no longer concerned about Microsoft's deal — essentially saying that it wouldn't have a negative impact on the industry — this block comes as a huge surprise. In fact, analysts were fully expecting the CMA to give the Xbox maker the greenlight today.
But here we are, with the CMA dealing a significant blow to Microsoft's plans. The Redmond-based company will, of course, appeal against the decision — but for a move that was supposed to go quite smoothly up until just minutes ago (at the time of writing this article), this is a real setback for Microsoft.
Here's the official ruling from the CMA, in tweet form:
Indeed, it looks like the block has been made on behalf of concerns over cloud gaming — another twist we didn't see coming. The CMA's report says: "Microsoft’s solution had significant shortcomings and would require regulatory oversight by CMA." It continues: "Cloud gaming needs a free, competitive market to drive innovation and choice."
The CMA essentially argues that Microsoft already has a strong hold on the cloud gaming space, and that the Activision Blizzard buyout would push its position too far, damaging potential competition and industry growth.
"Allowing Microsoft to take such a strong position in the cloud gaming market just as it begins to grow rapidly would risk undermining the innovation that is crucial to the development of these opportunities," it writes.
The tech giant's acquisition is also being scrutinised by the US Federal Trade Commission and the EU's European Commission — neither of which has come to a definitive ruling yet. It'll be interesting to see whether the UK's stance affects the thinking of these other organisations.
Naturally, this is all positive news for PlayStation, as Sony has been battling against the acquisition since its initial announcement, trying to persuade the likes of the CMA that the buyout would be unhealthy for the industry, and for consumers.
Did you see this coming? Pick your jaw off the floor in the comments section below.
[source gov.uk, via eurogamer.net]
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So the deal is just dead if the appeal doesn’t work out?
Shocked, purely because they have blocked it solely on cloud gaming, something that is still so nascent.
Going to be really interesting to see what happens next, seems like they will appeal it to CAT
Absolutely seismic and unexpected news!
I thought you cant fight an CMA decision? Not sure tho. Anyway, unexpected. Especially after the NY Post article yesterday
It can be fought to some degree, although it will delay the deal:
https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/1651184442776469505
Personally chuffed that Bobby Kotick and his bully brigade don’t get their golden parachute
Competition is good. Exclusivity is always bad.
Wow, I didn't see that one coming!
Depending on how the inevitable appeal goes Microsoft may have to decide whether the deal is worth it. They must be spending so much money trying to push this through.
Holy....well definitely didn't see that coming. Guess this story continues!🤣
This is absolutely wonderful news. Microsoft buying up publishers in order to paper over the cracks of its own mismanagement shouldn't be tolerated anyway. Activision games will remain multiplatform and that's great for the consumer.
The news itself isn't as interesting as the fact that a bunch of sites were proven wrong. Most of news outlets have been reporting that "CMA is most likely to approve the deal" since last week.
Wonder who their source was and how much MS paid for it.
Wow just wow, very surprised
CMA, for the players.
Added some quotes from the CMA's report. Absolutely crazy that all of this is happening due to cloud gaming concerns.
Excellent cover image!
Wow.
Now if the European body and the FTC also block this deal then this acquisition is pretty much dead in the water.
But on a personally level I hope its not as then Microsoft will go and buy someone else who's games I actually care about.
@CielloArc It wasn't just games sites too, it was newspapers like the Financial Times etc. Very, very surprising news today!
Great news for gamers across all platforms, finally CMA did something right. Platform holders , or anyone else really shouldn't be able to acquire third party independent publishers .
but...but...this site and many others were 'confident' that the acquisition wouldn't be blocked - it was being posted as news as recently as last night. and now look at the back pedalling. You just can't trust MSM.
However, having said that.. 🤣🤣🤣
Woah, I seriously thought they were going to accept. I still think they will in the long run but the Cloud stuff is really interesting. It mustn't be just Sony trying to block the deal if it's the Cloud side of things that made them reject it.
We did it guys! Good work CMA! Sony must be so happy.
Absolutely fantastic news 🥳
Eat that Spencer... slap!!!
One in your eye Kotick....poke!!!
Well done UK
Jim always get’s his way remember that😂 lol.
@Gamer_Guy We were just reporting on what outlets like the Financial Times were saying! No one expected this today!
@ShogunRok Well thinking about it with call of duty and the rest of Activisions and Bethesda's huge games they could dominate the streaming market, who else could offer content of that size and popularity in the streaming market?
CMA were dead on in terms of the streaming issues raised.
Definitely did not see this coming
Hey, Bobby...
I just want to play Starfield. 😭
Great news, Microsoft already own like 20 franchises with zenimax studio etc. I would reckon if activision weren't such a crap company, pushing out lootboxes and microtransactions not including all the lawsuits for secual harassment etc they wouldn't be selling
Oof..😂 oh god those xbox fans are gonna have a meltdown
WILL THIS SAGA EVER END?
I did not see this coming. All recent signs seemed to point to the UK's Competition and Markets Authority approving Microsoft's takeover. Blizzard is my favorite developer, so I am pleased it seems they will remain free, at least for now.
I was so looking forward to the end of this whole conversation. Now we may have another year plus of this.
Some experts already predicting the appeal will be successful, as the CMA have been 'irrational'
I just want off this merry go round and I am so bored of it all. Can't believe we have many more months of this
The sly threats to the UK about job growth and reassessing their business there are not a great look for Microsoft and Activision.
Will they say the same if and when it's blocked in the states?
Just take the L and use the money to create great new studios or aquire smaller devs and nurture them
Lol, who hates streaming now?
I can’t see the EU validating the deal now that the UK has given a negative opinion on it. And if both the UK and the EU block the deal, surely it won’t go through in the US either. The Microsoft appeal will probably take some time to be reviewed by authorities, so it’s gonna drag on and on for at least 4 or 6 more months now. But after months of deliberation it seems highly unlikely the decision will be overturned. I wonder what it means for the Xbox Showcase coming next month, considering Microsoft said yesterday it wanted to close the deal this week.
Sony should celebrate by finally giving us a showcase for crying out loud lol
It sounds like those 10 year deals that were being offered didn't go far enough and were possibly still giving MS too much control over things.
How bout that 🤔
Here's hoping the American regulators follow suit.
@Sakai At this point I'm taking nothing the experts say seriously as they all seemed to think it was a sure thing the deal would be approved no problem. Although it does seem like arguing that the ruling is irrational seems to be the only real grounds for appeal for this.
I hope that everyone that starts throwing abuse towards Sony remembers that the reason this deal has been blocked is because of the Cloud aspects and nothing to do with Sonys complaints throughout. I really expected this to go through, so this is one hell of a surprise. I guess Microsoft will appeal the decision, so it’s going to be another year of this…
Very unexpected. There goes any hopes of the new Indiana Jones coming to PS5. Pretty sure it wouldn't have anyway, but this ensures it. Oh well. Good news for CoD fans on Playstation.
I think now is the the time we start to believe this is a conspiratorial scheme by both sides to get gaming ultra mainstream coverage in perpetuity.
It's going to end with a Kojima game being announced.
Seems that the saga continues. I am very bored of all this, I just wanted it to end.
Personally Activision suck anyway. For me personally most things on Xbox don't interest me at all. That's why I don't own one.
@Kevw2006 This anti-expert thing is such a backwards, Daily Mail mentality. It's like saying you'd rather get medical advice from a 5 year old than a doctor. The reason everyone, not just those most in the know, thought they'd be okay with the acquisition is because they themselves said they'd “reached the provisional conclusion that, overall, the transaction will not result in a substantial lessening of competition in relation to console gaming in the UK.” How else would anyone interpret that?
Jesus, this deal has had more twist and turns.
@Kevw2006 I'm tired of all of it. The experts, the mud slinging all of it. I play games for fun, and this topic has sucked all the energy out gaming for well over a year. I was hoping today was the beginning of the end. Not the start of a new beginning. The prospect of another year of this, is the sadest part of all of it. I'm just over the whole topic and couldn't really care how it ends. It's just boring now
That was very surprising. Just as things were looking like it would be fully approved.
@Uncharted2007 It was never going to come to PlayStation anyway. Besides, this decision surprisingly has nothing to do with Sony.
The verdict was fair tbh. One should not do whatever they want just because they are rich
WHOA!!! Definitely did not see that coming.
Time to sell my Xbox then, I've pretty much only kept it on the assumption that one day this deal would go through
@Acquiescence Agreed although i'm still in the belief that this deal will eventually go through somehow. MS been trying to play the little guy role when they're not and have plenty of resources at there disposal to get where they want to go but instead want to take the easy/lazy route because of their own incompetency over the years. They shouldn't be rewarded for that.
I guess I’m confused as to why Activision-Blizzard has anything to do with could gaming. Is it because the COD franchise is likely to be the biggest innovator in the cloud gaming area? How is cloud gaming tied to ABK?
Hope Lulu Cheng Meservey is enjoying the news today after all her online mockery of Sony
*edit, i note she is now implying that Activision will review their growth strategy in the UK on Twitter. Activision Execs are panicking)
Honestly they will make a movie of this one day. Will be interesting to see how far Microsoft fight this. I guess they will wait for the EU and US to pass judgment first.
I hope Sony is shoring up dev / publisher support elsewhere though. Microsoft wont take kindly to this, even if the judgment doesnt link to the console business specifically
I know Playstation is the market leader, but i also wouldnt be surprised to see Microsoft and Activision working more closely together in future now, like in the 360 days. That relationship with Sony is irreparably damaged.
@get2sammyb I had hopes that somewhere in the contract for using the IP it was delegated to be released on all capable platforms. That's my last hope for it, but I sincerely doubt that clause was added.
@Total_Weirdo There's never been anything stopping Activision putting Call of Duty on Switch anyway. It's so weird how that's been a "selling point" of the acquisition.
Call of Duty was even on Wii U I think!
@Th3solution presumably CMA is concerned Microsoft will make COD exclusive to Microsoft cloud services and thus try to push competitors like GOG, Steam, Epic out of the market. Thats all i have though, dont know if that is actually the issue
I'm just eating my popcorn while watching this funny console wars. 😆🍿
@Uncharted2007 Well that's a fair point, if it's in the contract then it's still possible I guess. And nothing that's happened here will change that if it's in the contract.
I doubt it will be though!
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@Th3solution I think it has more to do with MS and their position in cloud gaming. Looking at Nintendo and Sony I don’t think either one has an actual service for cloud gaming like Xbox does. Nintendo has cloud games sure, but you still need the Switch, and sure you can stream some games through PS+ with Sony but you still need a PS4/5 or PC, but MS doesn’t even require you need an Xbox or a PC for cloud gaming, just an activate GP Ultimate sub and then you can play their games with just a phone and some TVs even have it available(though it’s not a lot). Currently as it is in terms MS, Sony and Nintendo, MS is the only one of the three that has the level of cloud gaming that they do and it’s likely ABK would be used to strengthen their position in cloud gaming by making future games exclusive to the platform(outside of deals MS has had signed in regards to COD)
@Total_Weirdo will it fit on a switch? The install sizes have been mental the past few games. Like they got rid of the guy who knew how to compress things XD
Genuine question btw i have very little knowledge on Nintendo consoles
Holy cow Batman
WOW! Did not see that coming.
At all.
Can we please stop with the 'Xbots' phrasing? Obviously feel free to share your opinion on the news, but we don't need to use this type of terminology. It's a bit childish!
Thanks everyone!
I don't think Microsoft will buy another publisher if this deal falls through, @UltimateOtaku91. This deal was never about exclusivity per se, it was all about Game Pass and bringing in new subscribers and players for the Xbox. Microsoft almost threw in the towel last generation. Without this acquisition, I think there is a strong possibility that Game Pass will begin to fail. Games are already skipping the Xbox in favour of the PlayStation this generation because of the dominance of Sony's console. The current split is roughly 70% PlayStation / 30% Xbox. The PlayStation is growing exponentially, whereas the Xbox is not. Without this deal, Microsoft may just look at the market and decide they just cannot compete. Even if they were to make a dozen superb games over the next 5 years, would it be enough to turn around the difference in install-bases? I don't think so. I think that Microsoft will pull the plug on the finances, and that this will be the last generation for the Xbox. Many on here will celebrate that, but the truth is, Microsoft is hated by many because it is the market leader and gets to set the industry standard as a result. With Xbox out of business, that puts Sony in the lead, and anyone that thinks that without Xbox Sony's next console will cost £/$600 is deluded. The only reason that the PS5 cost £/$500 this generation was because Sony had to match the price of the Series X. I would think the PS6 will cost somewhere between £/$800 and £/$1000 next generation if there is no competition from the Xbox to keep the price down. And games will just cost around £/$100 because again, with no competition, Sony can set their own prices. Competition is vital for the market, and without that Sony can do what they want (and because of their current dominance, we've already seen Sony being the first in pushing up the prices of the market).
That Lulu Cheng person continues to spill vitriol on twitter (as one does). Now she threatens the UK.
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Crying Jim beats Lying Phil. You love to see it 😂.
Honestly though this makes sense. MS are already the global market leader in cloud gaming, so adding the second biggest publisher to their service would just give them a massive advantage that they don’t really need. Stadia already closed and I never hear about Luna, so who is their real competition? Theoretically an Apple cloud gaming service could take off quickly, but that service doesn’t actually exist yet.
Can Kotick go to jail now
@LilianaQuinn83 @Rob_230 Ok, I guess that makes some sense. I suppose if you can leverage the world’s most popular gaming franchise to build upon a new or future gaming technology that it could hinder competition. I guess that’s what they’re saying. It’s just an unexpected reason behind the decision, and one that Sony hadn’t been bringing up, that I know of.
Maybe Microsoft can make a CoD competitor, like they said Sony should do. Create a new IP and competition!
@Matroska All I'm saying is that until the appeal is all said and done and there is an official verdict I will take anything that the experts say with a pinch of salt. I don't think that is an unreasonable stance to take given that everyone seemed so sure the CMA would approve the deal and they now haven't.
The statement you quoted is correct but it is only part of the story as it was still well known that they were still looking into the cloud side of things. Given that MS signed a few 10 year deals relating to cloud gaming they must have had some concerns that it might be a problem.
I've also never read the daily mail on my life so have no idea what even goes on there.
😁 thats funny.microsoft try to be like the million dollar man ted dibiase and tell everyone that they got a price for Microsoft.no it doesn't work like that.microsoft cant never beat PlayStation.so they tried to buy a lot of publishers.and sony is still the leaders.and always got game of the year nominee.try harder x box😀.word up son
@Fiendish-Beaver nah, i don't believe Microsoft would pull the plug. And even if they did, another company would enter the market as there would be a clear opportunity for a competing platform. Dont sleep on the likes of Amazon or Tencent who have the capital to try such a move.
A moot point though because i dont see xbox going anywhere for the forseeable
@nessisonett A 3rd world hell hole of a jail would be good for him.
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Well done! I was convinced they didn’t understand the significant place we are in with the nascent streaming and subscription market, but it seems I underestimated them.
I’m sure that Microsoft’s influence in the data centre space would also have impacted the decision on streaming competitiveness.
Ah well no free COD.
@RonnieL It's best to stay far away from them for the next few weeks. They will attack anyone who owns a ps5.
NO!!!!
and nice jim ryan edit , u guys think this is funny ?!
@Americansamurai1 Next month in May we will get one.
Not a good day in xbox land, with console sales being down by 30% in worst financial results so far...
@XenonKnight hopefully, not holding my breath until it's announced. We had a lot of "insiders" who kept hyping a showcase last year too
Just wish they would have blocked them from buying out Bethesda.. I wake up every day looking forward to Fallout 5 just to remind myself I’ll never get it.. cuz I’m not buying a SuXbox
69 Billion towards some timed/permanent exclusives then 🤷♂️ really think this was a bad call and rejecting the deal will for sure hurt competition as opposed to helping it.
Also the immaturity here is… depressing.
@Bizzy Your better off ignoring the Xbox owners for a few weeks.
@WolfyTn I didn't like the zenimax buyout, but it wasn't at the same level as the abk buyout.
@JohnnyShoulder it’s a double edged sword , sony is getting cockier and it won’t be long before we’re just peasants to them .
no competition is bad
#InJimWeTrust
The correct decision for the wrong reason.
I want more games and more choice. I don’t want any large 3rd party games being munched up by Sony or Xbox.
This drama is far from over and “fans” and people on both sides have been embarrassing through all this
Amazing news for everyone here, fantastic that Sony will be able to maintain their 70/30 split of the premium home console market. Consumers win when Sony dominate... until they don't. There's a small possibility that Microsoft decide the home console market is no longer yielding sufficient returns and either close the Xbox division or sell it off. If that day happens Sony will inherit a monopoly and PlayStation consumers will get to enjoy all the benefits that come from having a singular entity controlling prices and output.
Whether people here like to admit it or not, most of Sony's consumer friendly decisions this generation have come as a result of Microsoft's actions and competition. Titles released on PC - Microsoft's doing, a subscription service offering similar features to gamepass - Microsoft's doing, crossplay - Microsoft's doing. Sony's market dominance means they were the first to increase game prices across the board, the first to increase hardware prices, the last to agree to crossplay, the last to give consumers the choice of EA access (which apparently didn't represent good value to players and Sony knew better than their player base).
You guys all celebrate Sony's continued dominance whilst completely oblivious to the long term implications this has for you as the consumer. When the Xbox 360 was wrecking the PS3 I was rooting for Sony to come back and kill it, which they did because they were getting hammered. As the consumer I benefitted hugely from this. I had an Xbox 360 and a PS3, but I wasn't cheering for the death of PlayStation and celebrating Microsoft's dominance. PS4 was amazing because of the Xbox 360, and Xbox one was abysmal because of the PS3.
Dominance is fine to a degree if the competition still believes there's something to fight for. You remove their ability to compete, they leave and you're left with a monopoly that will trash your hobby and wallet in a heartbeat.
Be careful what you wish for people.
Man, that Activision statement really shows what an irrational and disgusting company they are. Happy those C suite ars*s aren’t getting their payoff.
No offense to the Brits, but can a UK governing body actually stop 1 US based company from buying another? As far as I can tell MS is in the US state of Washington and Activision/Blizzard in the US state of California. Not saying it doesn’t throw a wrench in the works but can’t MS just buy them anyway, and be banned in the UK until they come crawling back begging MS to do business in the UK?
Better to ask forgiveness than permission.
I’ll go google, just wondering if anyone here was a corporate lawyer or something.🤷🏻♂️
Edit: So, I couldn’t find anything definitive about if the deal could just be done anyway, only some corporate bluster, but I did see this quote from Kotick, which seems like reason enough to block the deal b/c all these guys are liars.😝
“ “We’re confident in our case because the facts are on our side: this deal is good for competition,” he said.”
How the F’K can anything involving king of the illegal monopolies M$ be good for competition?🙄
There was a tiny voice in the back of my mind wondering if cloud gaming might be what trips this deal up, but I never expected it to actually go down this way.
I was fully expecting the deal to go through today. I was getting excited too because I figured with this out of the way we'll finally get some news from PlayStation.
On the other hand, if the deal is being shot down over cloud concerns, surely then PlayStation can just stay out of the conversation now and go about their business again?
@Neither_scene
You realise MS control 70% of the streaming market right? I didn’t. But apparently through Xbox and Azure they do.
I had a feeling cloud gaming could be a big obstacle. MS seem to dominate that area while Sony have terrible money hatting practices on exclusive games. I actually think both of these Billion dollar corporations are as bad as each other to be honest. There is no cause for celebration as Sony are equally as bad.
The future over the next 10-15 years looks like:
Sony's 70/30 spilt dominance gets bigger over MS.
MS stop making consoles and focus on cloud and subscription services
Sony's next console sells less as more people move away from expensive console gaming to cheaper more accessible cloud and mobile gaming - with tech that allows console level games on mobiles and TV's.
Sony winds down the PS division and focuses on media and streaming - unless they start building up their cloud tech ASAP (or just buy out another cloud platform like before).
After reading everything these last few days on the Internet & getting convinced(by the power of Microsoft and it's hardcore fans online) that this deal would be approved by the UK I am SHOCKED it hasn't The only thing now is I dread what Microsoft could do now :-/ Hopefully they will say enough is enough and leave gaming forever(I doubt that will happen tho) + I am SHOCKED the UK had the balls to do this to?!?! + I reckon Microsoft will still get Activision anyway in the end :-/
Microsoft really laying into the UK about this. 'closed for business' , 'reassess growth plans', showing their true colours I guess.
@thefourfoldroot1 they do today - netflix owned 100% of their market in the beginning too. Much like netflix, cloud gaming is still very much in its infancy, current market share is certainly unlikely to represent market share in 10 years or so. Predicting the impact of the ActiBlizz on a market this immature seems pointless when the current market is so more relevant to the discussion.
We'll see how the appeal goes but for now this is great news.
It's still baffling to me how some people think a trillion dollar company with a history of monopolising other markets should be allowed to buy up some of the biggest publishers, studios, devs and ip's without scrutiny or restriction.
Funnily enough, one of the things that irked me the most about this acquisition process was MS going around announcing 10 year deals with people before it had even passed. The arrogance 🤣
@BusyOlf I can’t wait to watch the Netflix docuseries about all this.
@KaijuKaiser No proof at all.
Just a lot of assumptions based on rumours really.
I hope this means other big publishers like sega are off the table.
Interesting. Surprisingly, all those “10 year” deals appear to be a factor. 1) They showed that Microsoft recognized the issue, 2) they capped the length they would play nice to 10 years and 3) it would require the CMA to regulate and enforce. Blocking the deal was the easier solution.
Fascinating.
WTF.. never ending story.
Green light to adquisition and let the industry go through this insane and boring blockade.
@Neither_scene
When the biggest producer also effectively owns a large portion of the means of production for the nascent industry, there will be concerns.
I’m sure those concerns would be assuaged if MS broke apart their azure business, but there is obviously no way that will happen, it’s far, far more profitable than gaming.
Oh great now we gotta hear about this for another couple of months lmao
No surprise for me. This decision is just common sense in my opinion. Noone should be able to "buy success". Use the money to grow your own studios, don't play victim for 10 + years and then try to take a shortcut like M$ try in this case with Activision Blizzard. I hope EU come to same conclusion.
@thefourfoldroot1 I agree, but the fact that that as things stand, the UK CMA are the only authority to block the acquisition (US right to appeal seems likely to go through), the decision seems more like self motivated marker statement than an objective one. It will be interesting if the EU and US (right to appeal fails) follow suit and block, or if the UK are alone in their assessment (further lending credibility to the idea it is a decision influenced by non objective factors).
Mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I just wanted this thing to be over so it would stop dominating the news cycle and everyone could just get on with making games, but on the other hand this is really, really, really funny.
@Neither_scene
I don’t see how that can be the case. They have explained their reasoning very clearly. Others may agree or disagree. But if you were to ask me would I be more trusting of people supporting or opposing one of the richest companies in the world (with a history of lobbying) my instinctive reaction is I’d be less trusting of those supporting. Not that I think this has been done for any reason other than the one given.
Oh yay, this deal now gets to drag out even longer and we all get to hear more and more about it..
Also, I can't believe the amount of people on PureXbox thinking that Microsoft will pull Xbox out of the gaming market if the deal doesn't go through. Those are just panic statements. I do not see that happening. They've been just fine during the last 22 years without the deal.
People, why is hard to read the actual press release and make your conclusions from there?, you are like those YouTubers and media spreading so much misinformation and unfounded opinions from your gut: "Microsoft already accounts for an estimated 60-70% of global cloud gaming services and has other important strengths in cloud gaming from owning Xbox, the leading PC operating system (Windows) and a global cloud computing infrastructure (Azure and Xbox Cloud Gaming).
The deal would reinforce Microsoft’s advantage in the market by giving it control over important gaming content such as Call of Duty, Overwatch, and World of Warcraft. The evidence available to the CMA indicates that, absent the merger, Activision would start providing games via cloud platforms in the foreseeable future."
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/microsoft-activision-deal-prevented-to-protect-innovation-and-choice-in-cloud-gaming
@rjejr, I don't think the UK can block the acquisition outright (assuming the US approves it), it's just that Microsoft won't be able to operate in the UK (at least in terms of video games?).
Fascinating.
Given their comments, I assume that MS and ABK must have had advance notice of the decision. If not, then announcing an appeal before your lawyers have had a chance to review the decision is never a wise move. Keep your cards close until you're ready to play and all that.
I bet Ryan is popping champagne.
@RR529 I don't know the details, but pretty sure a company has to pull out of a country altogether if it doesn't want to play by that countries rules.
@thefourfoldroot1 I think it quite likely that it is partly a marker point against big multinational corporations given the fact that the power of such companies has been under scrutiny for several years. Meta's acquisitions of WhatsApp and Instagram went unchallenged and many feel this was a miss, large multinationals have also been under fire for tax evasion and other questionable practices in the UK. This decision sends a message that the CMA is active and does act against large multinational corporations rather than if they were, again, to do nothing. It is in the CMAs personal interest to block this acquisition and justify their existence having received criticism in the past.
I mean i love my Xbox but god this is music to my hears. Hopefully this blow proves lethal to the deal.
I guess there was not enough booze at the last MS banquette with CMA attendees. For the appeal they will do better.
Hmm I didn't see this coming. Pure xbox explodes. Suddenly the British government is out of its mind and anti-consumer. Activision even wants to work aggressively with Microsoft to get the deal through What a joke! And it's not even because of Sony. .
its ironic that the reason the deal gets blocked is cloud gaming where Microsoft and Sony both partnered up to use Microsoft Azure to provide their cloud gaming services
@RR529
I thought the FTC was already against this takeover?
Positive news for "Playstation" is bad news for PlayStation's customers. No way around it. This battle will keep going for who knows how long, and PS will continue to tighten its chokehold on the industry and exploitation of its customers with detained competition. A good day for Sony's board room is always a bad day for Sony's customers. That would be everyone here.... PS players don't win as it delays having a meaningful competition for them to step up their game and improve customer image. XB players don't win because the platform continues to float in limbo waiting for this process to end, Nintendo players don't win as it holds back CoD work. Cloud players don't win because ABK games still stay off the cloud since current ABK doesn't want it there. ABK doesn't win because they're stuck with Bobby and the problematic managment already causing them to lose talent, even Tencent doesn't win because as a major shareholder in ABK they're trapped too. Sony corp wins, so I'm sure their shareholders are happy. Gamers of every stripe including PC lose because now years of this generation go by and it consists of mostly this deal tying up the industry in uncertainty.
If I knew how to insert the classic GTA SA CJ Gif I think I would at this point!😂
Jokes aside,I've found it ridiculous that Microsoft has been clearly pushing the $$ in "donations" to US Congress & getting them to wave the stars & stripes that little 2.3 trillion indie "Murican Microsoft" is being crushed by the Japanese Sony monopoly in cahoots with the FTC,when as we heard from the Redfall devs Microsoft's strategy in buying up entire AAA publishers has been to prevent future Playstation releases & the very "competition & freedom of choice" they claim to support!🙄
None of the "ten year deals" they've been touting as "supporting competition" are from Cloud based services that aren't trying to outdo/compete with XB,(& keeping in mind their dominance in the Windows PC space)...& Activision thought so little of the Nintendo market as not profitable that Bobby Kotick completely ignored the platform until his Microsoft bailout golden parachute was threatened & they needed an ally against Sony's pointing out how hypocritical Xbox & Phil Spencer have been since the Zenimax buyout & cancelling Playstation versions of future releases.
PS Premium is still a limited region service & its not being underwritten by a multi trillion dollar parent company that clearly does exercise its monopoly in the markets it controls, & clearly wants to buy its way to controlling the cloud gaming & console space.
I still fear they'll eventually win,with big lawyers & $$ in "donations",but it's nice to see their smug media campaign & influencers have egg on their face;for now at least!
@Americansamurai1 I don't think we'll get a showcase in May, rather news spread out like what happened in October. Something like 3rd party State of Play in May, Geoff gets the debut for Factions 2 and Spider-Man 2 gameplay in June alongside some PC ports, FFVII Rebirth focused State of Play in August, etc.
Wow, wasn’t expecting that!
As a player or both consoles, it’s a shame the deals not going through as Xbox are making gaming more affordable with game pass etc and this gen especially, Sony have really amped up the cost of games etc (although yes you get very good quality games)
If the deal had done through, lots of people could access activison games such as COD for less. I do wonder now, Microsoft will spend that $69 Billion. I’d expect smaller publishers to be targeted next, Capcom, Ubisoft, Sega etc
@Neither_scene
I don’t think passing it would in any way lead to the dissolving of a government department, nor blocking it lead to any enlargement or benefit of such. That’s a bit of a reach. Their stated logic is sound and so I have no reason to doubt their motives.
@stua12t
But there is nothing stopping MS putting the game on Gamepass regardless. Nobody has said they can’t do that.
I'm just happy Crash isn't locked on Microsoft 👍
@NEStalgia
Or, just maybe, all gamers win because they can still play all the games, and it’s just the ABK and MS shareholders who lose out? Which is fine by me.
@stua12t Japanese laws don’t allow for takeovers from overseas happening. It won’t happen
@Grumblevolcano with Sony nowadays I don't really know what they're going to do anymore
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@thefourfoldroot1 maybe they already tried and it was rejected,so they went all buyout...who knows
I am surprised how happy this decision has made me feel. I really did not see this coming at all what with all the "experts" saying it was a done deal. While it will inevitably eventually go through, any poke in the eye for M$ gets the thumbs up from me.
@thefourfoldroot1 it's not a reach to assume the people in positions of authority within the CMA could be under-fire for a perceived wrong decision. The CMA is still accountable. A failing government organisation obviously doesn't result in it being dissolved, but it does often result in job losses, particularly for those responsible in decision making.
Their decision making is sound, but there is still a level of subjectivity involved, hence why there have been differing views from other organisations. If the CMA are in the large minority with regard to their decision making, it is logical to assume the majority are correct.
Where's the "another L for Jim Ryan" guy?
I just assumed this would be passed so this is a big surprise.
Even if Cloud gaming never reaches that stature, there is enough of a concern there that
1) Microsoft owning Azure (one of the Big 3 in Cloud Services .
2) Game Pass (not one of, but absolutely the biggest subscription service)
3) Activision Blizzard studios and their IP/games in tandem with Xbox Games Studios
was something that the CMA, as a competitive markets ruling body, had to consider.
I guess they felt that having all 3 of those was a big issue for them and that the Microsoft proposed remedies wasn't enough.
@NEStalgia "PS players don't win as it delays having a meaningful competition for them to step up their game"
I couldn't disagree more. Playstation has dominated the competition for quite a while now (late ps3 days) and yet the stellar games keep on coming. With or without competition, Sony seems to be doing great in terms of producing well received games by gamers and critics alike. That's all I can ask for.
This is like Al Capone getting busted for Tax Evasion.
I guess the tactics worked? I can't wait to see what Colin and Co. say about it on Sacred Symbols.
@NEStalgia The decision had nothing to do with PlayStation and the threat of removing one of Sony's biggest revenue drivers (Call of Duty) would only have forced them to be more risk averse.
I'm not sure where this idea that Sony's sitting on its hands is coming from. It's constantly and consistently innovated in the sector (it released PSVR2 this year alone!) and PS5 is arguably its best console yet.
It shouldn't take an unprecedented, frankly unfathomable $69 billion buyout from a trillion dollar tech juggernaut to enable competition in the market.
Common Jim Ryan W. The right decision. Microsoft getting even more control of the industry is simply bad for everyone, without even getting in to how terribly they already manage their games.
I'm just happy knowing someone saw through Phil Spencer and Microsoft's underdog, unity, hero garbage they've been spewing out to "charm" everyone for the past few years.
Looks like its time for big bad Microsoft to open up their pockets, pump up the 47 studios they already own, start producing good exclusives and get in the fight if they want to compete with Sony & Nintendo. The buy everything and everyone strategy has been shut down.
@Neither_scene
Under fire for what decision? Maybe I don’t have all the facts, but what are you suggesting that this is an irrational face saving reaction against? I honestly haven’t heard anything.
Also, there is no minority or majority, each considers its own region only. As such, Japan, as an example, said there was no danger (because Xbox is nothing in Japan) whereas the U.K. has a different situation entirely.
Hopefully they slow their "pay to win" strategy now...ah, but who am I kidding?
Well damn… I was looking forward to this going through so that I could play Overwatch and Diablo on steam. :/
@Acquiescence
Don't be to happy soon. When the deal is over there is a chance that MS can get a deal in 2025 with Activision about CoD which can have consequences for Sony as Activision wants the deal with MS also. And Sony wasn't that nice to MS and Activision last months.
@Fiendish-Beaver Maybe MS is not not loved because of them being market leader but because of their EEE business strategy (for example they nearly locked down an open standard to IE6-html) ?
I doubt that the next console will be 800-1000$ (unless there will be a super-inflation). I think even evil sony understood that one needs a player base, and you won't get that if the entrance fee is far too high. On the other hand there is psvr2, and it still needs to be seen whether the VR entrance fee is lowered after the enthusiasts opted in, and once there are enough games to offset a loss of hardware sales.
@cassiel People do not wish to read it. I get it. If you are completely invested in one platform and wish for that to succeed then some news like this is a huge blow and people would rather let off steam than read why it went down. I cant blame them.
Much as some would wish to bash Sony - they lost their argument, and the deal has been scuppered due to another part of the business entirely. Not that it hurts to call out Sony, but they are not the reason this deal wont go through...
All eyes on Europe then, but lets face it, its looking pretty unlikely now whatever the misinformed gaming press call...
My own feelings on industry consolidation aside, I was hoping this deal might give the staff at acti/bilizzard some better management, so its disappointing from that angle. I also wanted diablo on GP, and that also looks unlikely now, damnabit!
I've got a feeling some well-fed UK lobbyists will be out of a job soon. Truly tragic.
@get2sammyb I didn't say the decision had anything to do with PS, however the comments continue to talk about it as a positive, and the article explicitly refers to it as "a positive for Playstation." Which may be true, but a "positive for Playstation" the company, is, at a time when they have a near monopoly status, and behave like it, in the market is under no uncertain terms a negative for Playstation's customers. Which is us.
Not accusing you, because you've written enough articles to be clear you actually do agree overall, but for many "woo my brand is on top" is somehow a good thing, when an unchecked business in control of a market without serious competition is not, in any way, a good thing for the customers of that product. It's the customers of the "winning" company that get the short end of the stick, not the benefits. That's the whole point of the balance of competition.
"Best console" I think depends on how you define it. Best hardware, I mean I'd hope the PS5 isn't worse hardware than a PS2. Most vibrant ecosystem with the most innovation? Compared to PS1, PS2, PSP, PS3? Not a chance. Compared to PS4? I'd give you that one, PS4 was astoundingly dull, least interesting PS ever, yes, even compared to PS5 and Vita. PS4 was more defined by having no competition and thus being all of gaming itself more than anything it did special. Which is exactly why I worry that's where we're headed again.
If PS didn't feel the need to compete and didn't fear a potentially ascendant Xbox or Meta, do you genuinely think PSVR2 would exist? Or PS5 would be $499 +(Whatever they added due to "inflation"...which itself is an example of my point)? Or PS Plus would have been revamped, or even PS Now would have stopped being a ridiculously expensive terrible service and instead become a huge cheap service? Or backward compatibility would exist on PS5 at all? Of course not! It's their fear of potentially strong competition keeping them in check at and the less threatening that competition becomes, the more they can back out on all of the above and more.
You're in this business, you know as well as anyone that gaming has a lag time of years. Any negatives seen through the industry are always about what we see years down the road, not what we see today. Right now Sony has pure dominance in console, and that looks set only to strengthen. That's not good for anyone here, not me, not you, not PSVR fans, not anybody.
Now, as for MS and cloud, the verdict is honestly awkward and nonsensical, but even if we humor it and say we don't want MS to hold in cloud the same position Sony holds in console now, which is a fair desire..... the reasoning is paper thin in their verdict, and the idea that cloud is a "market" at all is dubious, as it's a sales channel and distribution model for the overall games market, not a unique market of its own. That goes down a whole other topic, though.
@NEStalgia how does Sony have a near monopoly? Nintendo and pc are heavy hitters, and Xbox themselves are hardly tiny players.
I don't think there would be the time for another company to step in, @Rob_230. Development on the next generation of consoles has likely already started, and if Microsoft decide to throw in the towel, we are not likely to know anything about it until the next generation is upon us. That would mean that the next generation would just be Sony, at least to start with. Yes, another company may step in to take Microsoft's place, but that companies console would likely not be seen until probably 4 or 5 years into the next generation. By then, Sony will have set the bar for console and game pricing, and if they are the only choice, it won't be cheap...
Holy crap this was not the news I was expecting to wake up to but it’s welcome all the same
@stua12t How does gamepass help in making game development cheaper ? If not then either the game quality will go down or the subscription fee will increase. MS will not bleed money forever.
So the the only people who care about cloud gaming are the regulators at the cma.
@Titntin As per reading the comments, it seems that people ignore the business model in this "cloud gaming", the decision is based in the fact that any cloud game is under "pay for service" which applies for gamers and cloud service providers, i.e. I'm GeForce and I pay a fee for streaming MS games, and you gamer pay a fee for service and/or the game... the problem arise when MS establishes their own terms for service providers and gamers, and since they own 60-70% of the market by owning the content and the rights of service even in another streaming service provider, that is not good... Playstation is actually off this because you can use PS Remote Play fro playing your own games via internet using your very own infrastructure: your own console, own game, and own internet service. If Sony wants to stream MS content, they must pay another fee for that and that's a monopoly...
@rjejr
Can the UK block one American company buying another? No, they can't.
But what they can do is rule in the interest of their own consumers and if Microsoft defy that decision and buy ABK then Xbox products and services would be banned from sale in the UK. Then Microsoft lose that market to Sony completely.
It wouldn't be worth it because they'd lose more money than they'd make losing the entire UK market. So if the decision is final, then the deal isn't happening.
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@Balosi Nintendo, by choice, does not compete in the same market as Sony and Xbox. They opted out of direct competition against Sony after the GCN vs PS2, and after Sega went down trying, seeing that as a losing strategy. They're successful in the gaming space, but they're not in any way direct competition to Sony, they don't want to be, and they actively avoid being such by intent.
PC, is very much its own, very separate market. There's some overlap in terms of technology but in terms of the markets they occupy, it is, again, not a direct competition for the same market segment for the same products. With a much higher cost to entry and much more technical knowledge required to operate and maintain, the cross-section of market overlap is small, comprising primarily the enthusiast market, which is, itself a very small part of the PS and XB overall market.
Right now it's only PS and XB in that mainstream gaming space. And while XB as an entity is large, XB as a percentage of that market is regrettably small, and shrinking as a ratio. With Sony itself boasting of their >80% market share in EU, with a growing share in the US (Xbox's primary market), and Sony being present in many markets XB hasn't even entered yet, XB simply isn't applying effective competitive pressure on Sony right now, and is in a weakening position particularly due to this ABK merger.
There's valid arguments as to how that's their own fault, etc, etc. And that's not entirely wrong. But they're attempting to fix that with a strategy of this buyout, and being artificially denied that ability by awkwardly out of place verdicts like the arguments used in this verdict, even if others' don't think the deal would benefit their competitiveness, they do think so, and Sony did think so, and that alone applied competitive pressure to Sony.
The one thing that frustrates in these console wars is there's both among fans, and among the regulators themselves, it seems, there's too much of a leaden foot on an anti-MS, anti-big tech bias. Too much of it is simply a matter of dislike MS, often based on their past not their present, and/or too much disliking of any big company consolidating. I actually agree whole heartedly with the sentiment overall. But the specific market involved needs to be looked at correctly, and in this gaming market we have Sony in near total control of this large market segment with very weak competition, which is a very bad condition for a market to be in, and the argument presented by CMA is based on the idea of what-ifs in a cloud model presented as a totally new market, which is inaccurate, it's a competitive sales and distribution channel in the existing mass market model Sony and XB already occupy, and their rejection of offered remedies revolves around not inadequacy of the remedy but around not wanting to have to monitor it. Their whole verdict lacks any indication they understand anything about the market or either company's role in it despite all the investigation.
@GADG3Tx87 You raise an interesting chaos outcome there. If MS were to defy it, can you imagine UK banning Candy Crush? For the sheer amusement I wish to see this outcome.
@Tasuki You might actually want to read and understand the decision? Its nothing to do with sony. They lost their argument and the deal is blocked for cloud service issues.
You can have a tantum and stamp your feet about Sony, but this decision was nothing to do with Sony or the console side of the business, so your posturing seems particularly silly.
@nomither6 Would it not be better if MS would start developing great games rather than buying up the entire industry ?
@NEStalgia
Let's be fair. There is enough competition in the UK and gaming market in general for it not to make much of an impact. Sony already hold a major foothold there. But with Amazon, Google, Apple and now Netflix wanting a slice of that pie it won't be a huge loss for UK consumers.
It will for MS though. Not only do they lose out on a lot of money and growth of GamePass. But it could create a domino effect in Sony's favour.
Friends go where friends are. And friends exist in other countries too. Dominance in one can create, atleast potentially more customers in another if UK consumers have friends in say, the US. And their friends and so on.
A stretch I know. But either way it hurts Microsoft more than the UK.
@gaston Sorry if it’s not clear but I meant cheaper for gamers. Not developers. Also Game Pass is profitable.
@BusyOlf maybe Ubisoft then, I can definitely see them being a target if this does t go through.
@NEStalgia Nintendo create video games, they are in the same market. It's ridiculous to not count them just because they have a slightly different strategy.
Sony aren't even close to any sort of monopoly.
@GADG3Tx87 Tell that to Candy Crush players. I'm a Yank, but I can imagine the Mirror and Telegraph front pages if the UK wages war on Candy Crush lol.
Overall you're right, and I don't think that would happen anyway. But the sheer optics of a government banning the most popular mobile game might be worth it from the perspective of enjoying watching the world burn.
@cassiel MS and Sony aren't in different positions, both offer remote play, both own content, both stream content. Pricing and release calendars differ, but both are in the same businesses. I'm not sure how an argument of IP ownership and ownership of a streaming platform works against MS and for Sony. The same licensing issues apply to both. Additionally Sony is already engaged in the pay for service business in the film, television and music industries while MS has no presence there.
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@Balosi No, Nintendo absolutely made a decision to not compete in the same market as Sony. Iwata spoke much on the topic at the time of the Wii's launch.
That's a slippery slope, though. If we're going to argue that direct competition is no longer in need of protection because other segments of the overall market exists for totally different participants, and that the existence of, say, Zynga, which also competes in the games market, and therefore is competition, then you're also undoing the CMA's entire claim in their verdict, as MS, too, clearly has tons of competition from all angles even with ABK. The entire rationale for blocking this is that direct competition in each segment of the market must be preserved. If you're going to make the argument that that isn't the case by claiming Nintendo represents competition for Sony, then that is also a claim that there is no grounds to block this deal on account of cloud, as then all console, mobile, and PC is also competition as direct cloud competitors are not necessary.
@NEStalgia
Weeeell, Candy Crush is a mobile game. So there is always APK's. It wouldn't be difficult for UK customers to access that game if they really wanted to.
But if Microsoft lost that market can you imagine how much money they'd lose without CoD players? The game is huge there. Then there will be the lack of growth of GamePass which leaves the US as their only major market. (I say major because it's their biggest where the UK is their second biggest)
Edit. For the sake of it I'm not condoning or encouraging piracy of any kind here to make that clear to moderators. It's simply an example of what potentially could happen.
@GADG3Tx87 Now UK consumers can choose freedom from the government blocking Candy Crush by using alternative means of obtaining it by going around the government rules like a Chinese back door. A true Candy Crush Saga indeed!
It's all a hypothetical and entirely unlikely scenario, I'm just sort of roleplaying it out, because it's interesting. So the UK government goes to war and blocks CoD from console players, blocks Candy Crush from mobile players. Yeah MS loses money which is why they wouln't do it, but.....the optics on government would interesting even by US standards! Most of the public wouldn't really know or care about the politics and business concerns of the verdict, they would know only that the Isle of Brexit is the only country on Earth other than China and North Korea to ban Call of Duty, and the only one to ban Candy Crush. It wouldn't really happen, but....there's the little devil on my shoulder that wants to watch this unfold. Might even hit the Mirror paywall for that saga.
@NEStalgia Wrong, you do not understand the business model of cloud gaming, Sony do not stream the service from their servers to you, the way PS Remote Play works is that you've got a PS5 with a game, and you in your tablet connected to internet, you can play that game remotely... in fact, it's just streaming from a PS5, the console it's working at that moment, even the telly is on, which is creepy for some people... with MS, I can play game using my tablet connect to internet but the game resides in a server somewhere, that's the difference. I do not need an Xbox if I use my Xbox that ain't no cloud gaming at all... do not mix the models
@NEStalgia
😂.
The weird thing is (I'm in the UK) if that madness happened and Xbox disappeared from the UK it would feel like the PS2 era here again before Xbox even existed. 😂.
After all this time it would feel so weird. I'd feel like I stepped back in time 22 years ago.
Edit.
Thinking back to 2001 I just had a very nostalgic flashback.
The scalpers we know today? Also existed back then, just without the internet. I've just remembered when the PS2 first arrived at the port of Dover 2000 of them went missing overnight and were being sold on the black market for 2k a piece 😂.
Sony were furious!! I remember it.
@darkswabber
Yes, when it's a global takeover I.E it affects multiple.markets. All regulators have to sign off on it not just the one in your home country.
@Mega-Gazz real exclusivity is fine. If a dev is bought, invested in and release a new game that’s fine. Like Sony do for Playstation. Microsoft simply want to buy devs and simply turn their successful 3rd party games exclusive. Altho they have offered a 10 year deal for COD.
Sony are in a good position. The PS5 is now selling like crazy despite lacking many games. It’s cloud and streaming service is poor so that’s why the block was wanted. But PlayStation isn’t really bothered about cloud is it?
This was never about COD ever. The idea that Sony only makes money due to COD was an incredible lie.
I think the deal would made no difference to anything and would have given more gamers the chance to play more games.
Mainly playing Nintendo as I prefer handheld gaming means the deal doesn’t really affect me but I play on many platforms.
This whole deal has been embarrassing really.
It never needed any of this fuss. It would never have affected Sony’s profits at all,
As for Xbox, this is bad news but they will still recover and move on.
Jim Ryan has played a blinder and manipulated the situation well.
The way I see it is, now the deal is blocked, it won't really change (as we will still be able to buy Activision games in general) rather then them going exclusively to Xbox.
@TheArtfulDodger You have made an argument and then totally destroyed your own argument. Ten year deal…., and beyond. The ten year deal keeps COD everywhere for at least 10 years. And it would have been longer. The focus on COD has been a huge lie from Jim Ryan. PlayStation could survive without it but they don’t need to. Look at PS5 sales. I have one and hardly use it. I would have been better keeping my PS4 for a few years longer really.
Games being on more platforms is brilliant imho.
Today actually makes that reality disappear. No COD on Nintendo. Not that will really matter to Nintendo that much.
In reality, I wouldn’t be surprised if once this finally all falls through that Sony try to buy Activision/Blizzatd and it goes through.
@Kidfried There will be assumptions of course. I’m not really talking conspiracy theories. It’s all the brutal side of business. You have good cop Phil and bad cop Jim but they both want the same thing which is to dominate the market.
I didn’t believe that the deal would give Xbox any major power. PS5 is selling like crazy just because of the PlayStation brand. Sony know that. I’m just saying that the whole thing has been blown out of all proportion.
Do you really believe that without COD, PlayStation would die or be unable to make profits as Ryan said? It wouldn’t but it was never going to be without COD. That just was not going to happen.
I just take a common sense approach that more games on more systems is good for gamers.
It really is as simple as that.
@cassiel I think you're confused. Both Xbox and playstation support remote play from their consoles for games you own.
Both Xbox and playstation also support playing on a tablet or phone, streamed from their servers via subscription cloud service (game pass ultimate, ps plus premium.). Ps plus premium unfortunately does not currently support PS5 games specifically being streamed which is a limitation of their service, it supports PS3 and PS4 games being streamed for now.
But both producers support both remote play and have cloud streaming services. They're both in both markets.
This is pure humour on my part to say this but back when the deal was first announced Aaron Greenburg posted a profile pic on Twitter of him and Crash doing the 'X' symbol with their arms, mocking the competition.
Maybe I should make a meme of Crash pointing at him and laughing just for fun. 😂
(I won't but it would be funny)
I'm just glad that these platform holders might start to think twice about publisher consolidation.
@NEStalgia Yes, they do support remote play... but I'm talking about "cloud gaming" which is the reason why the merger was denying , not about Xbox or Playstation games... here:
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/02/26/what-is-cloud-gaming/
I do not need a console for cloud gaming, Playstation do not stream the games from a remote server, they've never done it.
@BaldBelper78 Sony couldn’t afford to buy them. The 10 year deal only covers COD, wat about other games? I think it’ll still go through.
My argument was real exclusives like The Last of Us, Uncharted, Ghost of Tsushima, Forza, Halo, etc are fine. Buying games like COD an makin them exclusive isn’t. 10 years isn’t that long, about 1 gen. Will Microsoft renew the deal? We don’t know? They said Bethesda games wouldn’t be exclusive yet binned PS5 Redfall an Starfield an made them exclusive.
@NEStalgia They do both have cloud and remote play but Sony’s shocking at times. Xbox cloud runs off Series X architecture and they have a huge set up for it. Sony less so. You need the cloud service to run off the architecture of the console. They will always make performance better.
Stadia failed but because of the massive breadth of Google servers it ran like a console. Performance wise it was slick. Mind you, there was hardly anyone on so that helped!!!
Xbox will go cloud only soon enough.
They don’t sell enough consoles. Full stop. You could pay £240 for an Xbox Series S but if you just want to play at home and have decent internet you may as well but an Xbox One S and use it as a streaming box. Xbox is never going to move ahead of PlayStation.
@stua12t But somebody has to pay the bill if it is not cheaper for the developer, it cannot be cheaper for the gamer, unless subscription services pull in more people (up to now there are no signs of that).
I will never forget the UK saving the gaming industry. They may have just singlehandedly stopped a period of insane industry consolidation and Microsoft buying their way to the top.
@Th3solution i posted this elsewhere but will just copy it here. All credit @themightyant for the logic in it
Microsoft argued that sony own 60 to 70 percent of the console market so wouldnt be affected. In essence saying MS would not be disspraportinate in that market and are unlikely to impact it with this deal. The CMA agreed.
The catch being MS own 60-70% of the cloud gaming market. So by their own logic, it wouldnt be beneficial to upcoming companies to allow them to further that share.
Cloud streaming is still in a fledgling stage. By allowing MS to own such a large amount of massive IP's it effectively hindered any smaller companies even having a chance. While MS offered 10 years parity, its likely that cloud gaming will take a little longer to fully be in a position it needs to be 'the norm'. At that point MS already own all the cards.
Like you say, games will be made available to all. But only guaranteed for 10 years and after that they will only be available to all through Microsoft. Thats the sticking point.
@Balosi @RR529 @GADG3Tx87 "would be banned from sale in the UK"
If MS products are banned from sale in the UK it will be fun watching the UK become the 1st country to become fully dependent on Linux and Apple w/o Windows and whatever other servers and cloud services the UK govt and corps rely on from MS. UK would become the poster child for "cutting off your nose to spite your face" if they banned MS. And I'm pretty sure if they ban Xbox then that's what happens next.
I mean heck I'm all for it, but I think it costs the UK more than it costs MS and the UK comes crawling back on all 4s if the US and EU approve the deal. So I'm betting the CMA KNOWS the EU and US aren't going to approve it, so they're just getting on board in a show of solidarity, they aren't the hero.
Thanks for the replies everyone. 👍
Edit: Don't see how the UK govt continues this w/o MS? Seems like a big deal.🤷♂️
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@Weebleman Besides, it's a lot different from owning 60-70% of the console market since you pay one time for the game and console and cloud gaming is a service that you pay every month or every year
@thefourfoldroot1 I'm not saying it's irrational face saving, I'm saying that it's clearly an incredibly close decision that could be swayed one way or another, hence the amount of time it's taken to arrive at. Subjectivity is clearly a part of that process and blowback would definitely be a consideration at this point. There's no real negativity surrounding the prevention of a multinational mega corporation from completing a large merger Vs the blowback from allowing that merger to happen. Blocking it prevents anyone from being able to say, actually the merger was great and there were no competition issues as speculated and as can be seen 15 years down the line. Preventing something happening is a guaranteed win with regards to outcome because you're preventing being proven wrong. Surely the CMA should just block every acquisition they are required to investigate on the grounds that nothing can be guaranteed?
I'm fully aware that individual governments are appraising the deal with regards to their region, but from my understanding it's the cloud gaming aspect of this deal that appears to be the stumbling point, not PlayStation Vs Xbox. I would think that the cloud gaming landscapes between developed countries are far more similar than the physical market shares of Xbox and PlayStation consoles. Japan (your example) has one of the best internet infrastructures in the world and we've been told that Microsoft has something of a stranglehold on cloud gaming. Surely it should be even less likely that Japan would greenlight this deal given that their infrastructure is ideally suited to Microsoft's cloud product? Especially in a country where traditional console gaming has been in decline and portable gaming via mobile or switch has shown tremendous growth?
@rjejr
We're talking about gaming here. Note how I said "Xbox Products and Services" not "Microsoft Products and Services". Xbox is owned by Microsoft but it's a division that operates independently from Microsoft's computer software division.
So no, it would be a ban purely on Xbox because that's what's been rejected. It wouldn't affect the UK that much. Windows and other Microsoft products and services would be unaffected in the UK market.
@gaston but it is profitable… https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/xbox-game-pass-is-profitable-accounts-for-15-percent-of-content-and-services-revenue#
@NEStalgia I don't agree with the "Nintendo does not compete with PS" mindset, and I dont think Sony or Microsoft agree.
Nintendo simply knows innovation helps them sell, so they keep innovating (we will see if the next console innovates or finally decides to simply iterate)
If these companies didnt see Nintendo as a competitor, we would not have seen this behavior in the past:
Wii gets "countered" (after years of R&D) by Sony with Move motion controllers, and by Microsoft with Kinect .
Wii U gets "countered" (in a rush) by Sony with Second Screen mobile aps, and by Microsoft with Project Glass.
Now the Wii mobile hybrid device is king, and we been hearing the rumors of an inevitable PlayStation handheld intended to stream your PS games, again, to compete with Nintendo's mobility.
Nintendo also keeps signing timed exclusivity deals like they did with Monster Hunter Rise, why would they do such a thing if they didn't see the other consoles as competitors?
Nintendo is not seen as a competitor because they are not competing in power, but they are competing for your gaming time and money.
@NEStalgia
This is something Microsoft could get ahead of by creating an independent entity in the UK, and hand them, in perpetuity, all rights for streaming licensing, with the power to sub-license to other third parties.
This would remove any arguments of monitoring behavior, since this entity would be entirely on its own.
Creating such an entity and spinning off streaming in the region is entirely different from the high demands of spinning off all Call of Duty development that was originally proposed, and it's something Microsoft could very easily do and afford.
Finally some sense.
Of course the merger would hurt the consumer. We all know Microsoft and how they do things.
My only hope was that they are terrible at managing studios and ruin it.
Anyways, hope the other regions follow suit soon and end this monopolistic atempt madness.
@cassiel Yes, playstation does. That's the main seelling point of plus premium over plus extra. Ps Now was actually the first major cloud streaming service other than onlive which they bought and is part of Now. You absolutely can stream ps games without a ps console, just like xb, but, right now, it's limited by not having PS5 games able to stream, just PS3 and 4. I THINK they said eventually it will have ps5 streaming, but not yet.
@stua12t Well, we have MS' word for it, but no insight into how they reached that conclusion. Do they, for instance, include the foregone sales of full priced game releases? Or is it just a calculation based on "we made X in gamepass subscriptions, and spent Y on acquiring licences to put games on gamepass. X exceeds Y therefore we are profitable"?
@BaldBelper78
Sony doesn’t have the capital to buy Activision-Blizzard.
The only major third party publisher they could possibly afford is Square-Enix. Maybe Capcom. But even that is doubtful.
@Tharsman Nintendo isn't competing with Sony, they very specifically go the opposite direction. Then they hit success and Sony, Ms and a bunch of other companies try to copy them and duplicate that success. Then Nintendo moves away from that competition and just moves into a new niche not facing competition. That was Iwatas "blue ocean" strategy. Maybe in the future they'll choose direct competition again with different leaders but that so far has been their position.
@Kidfried I was already lamenting the loss of any potential Sekiro sequel. My favourite of the Souls-likes so far.
But at least we'd always have Bloodborne... right PlayStation... right... please?
@NEStalgia And it does only in PC, not in your tablet, Mac or phone as Geforce Now, I can play the PC version of The Last of Us with all bells and whistles in my iPad Pro with Geforce Now, not worrying for a capable rig... and reading the reasons for that decision, I think is the best for everyone. Cloud gaming cannot be monopolised by MS or Sony or anyone...
@Kidfried Nonsense. Xbox making more games available on more systems is good news. Sony are the kings of exclusivity and apart from baseball hold as much as they can back for PlayStation owners.
I love PS but their argument over all of this has been incredibly hypocritical.
@TheArtfulDodger COD was never going to go exclusive. Timed maybe. Xbox ultimately want GamePass on as many systems as they can get it and they will push for that in the next 10 years .
They will stop making consoles soon enough.
They want the brand everywhere.
Sony want to strangle the industry.
I am afraid that is the reality.
@Sakai no one is forcing you to follow the drama dude, don't you have some other things to do if your bored?
@GADG3Tx87 Is the "division" of MS called "Personal Computing" buying ABK or is MS buying ABK? I'm pretty sure the gaming division in MS does not have $69B to buy ABK. 🤷♂️
https://www.ign.com/articles/xbox-gaming-and-hardware-revenue-down-slightly-amid-lack-of-big-releases
Therefore, I think it only logical if the company MS buys the company ABK and the UK doesn't agree to MS, not Xbox, MS, buying ABK then ALL of MS's business, including Windows, would be banned in the UK. B/c MS is buying ABK, Xbox isn't buying anything.
And, even if somehow MS wasn't banned from doing business in the UK after they were told MS couldn't buy ABK but they bought them anyway, I'm pretty sure MS would tell off the UK and simply pull all of their business out of there just the same out of spite.
@rjejr
Again that wouldn't be the case. Just because Xbox gets its funding from the corporation doesn't mean it's not a division within Microsoft that can be excluded.
That is indeed how it would work.
Both divisions operate with different product markets. Phil Spencer wouldn't have been leading the charge here if it was Microsoft as a whole. It would be Satya Nadella, the chairman of Microsoft Corporation. Not Phil Spencer, CEO of Xbox.
Slow news day?
@rjejr IDK if your plan is viable, but I don't care, I like your plan, I just want to see the fallout beyond gaming from such a thing. "Mega corp takes on major government, major government impotent to do anything about it" "Brexit's war on Candy Crush" "Elon Musk Tweets about Candy Crush Freedom, may ban UK from space flight".....I just want to live in the new world this would produce even just to see what the third world war looks like.
@BaldBelper78 " Xbox is never going to move ahead of PlayStation."
From your lips to the CMA's ears, apparently. Except they have ear plugs.
@cassiel Sure, they're not supporting it on mobile for whatever reasons they want to not do so, but they absolutely do support cloud play from their servers without buying a PS console. It happens to be on PC right now, yes. But the conversation is about cloud streaming of games, not which platforms a particular cloud streaming vendor has streaming clients available for. Sony may or may not be planning to support cloud streaming on the rumored handheld RP device, and if so...well...good luck trying to hardware vendor lock cloud services, but that's their own strategy in the market, either way, they're in the cloud streaming market, same as MS, regardless of if their offering is available on all the same platforms.
GeForce now, though is rather different as you're just renting a PC to stream from, but purchasing all your own games via perpetual licenses. Yes not all publishers support it (ABK currently does not.) But I think that's a whole separate wing of the concept because you're still buying games on Steam/EGS just like if cloud didn't exist at all and it was a local PC.
Technically I think cloud content (including TV/music) probably needs a regulation set applied to it in terms of how content is made available and what defines competing entities, but of course nuiance in the digital age is beyond government comprehension for at least another 50 years.
@gaston it would be better if $ony had competition; I want 6th gen and 7th gen back when there was a reason to have all 3 consoles because it was variety . M$ deal is a good wake-up call to sony to start investing in other genres besides interactive third person movies and reviving their dormant IPs & making the ps5 not feel like the biggest useless waste of money since a PS4 is still just as relevant today if not, more , than a ps5
I knew my country would screw everything up.
@Jireland92 ahhh America ain’t that bad mate, don’t be so hard on yourself
@rjejr
Companies don’t do things out of spite.
The one example I can think of who tried to do that was Commodore under Jack Tramiel. And in the end his financial backers fired him from his own company because of behavior like that.
Companies do whatever makes them money.
@stua12t
I dunno man. Every time I see the math behind Gamepass I always think of how the Soviets did math.
@NEStalgia Okay. Xbox is not going to outsell PlayStation. PS5 is already outselling PS4 at the same stage of sales. Bearing in mind it wasn’t readily available for such a long time , that’s incredible sales.
Xbox is going to be a cloud only platform. That is the business model .
@kyleforrester87 You're on fire today.
@BaldBelper78 Oh I don't disagree Xb wont outsell PS, that's a given, that's kind of the point though.
I somewhat disagree about XB going cloud-only specifically though. Someday maybe, but not any time in the near future. The overwhelming majority of their revenue still comes from traditional software and accessory sales, not subscriptions, so they're a long way from that happening unless something dramatically changes, and killing the ABK deal slows that down more. That's a mix of console and PC, mind you, but it still represents the majority of their revenue.
@NEStalgia I some ways, Nintendo must be sat watching and just smiling and thinking ‘whatever’
The CMA have proven themselves to know very little about the games industry throughout this entire saga and therefore hardly capable of making the right decision.
@NEStalgia I hope not!
As long as sony is no longer involved in this, I could careless if this continues to drag on or not. I just want to know what sony studios is working on.
Goodness me. So our big Jim is a beneficiary by proxy. Who knows, this might be a better outcome for him.
Also, have to say I love that image of Jim Ryan. XD
@FenIsMightier I think, on this side of the fan bases people would be fine with Tencent if it means PS still gets whatever it got before. There's a lot of griping about "consolidation" but what people really mean around these parts is more about "leave PS alone." Which is logical, but it's a shame some people's concerns about consolidation aren't genuine enough to carry over to Tencent and others.
No way ABK remains ABK if this fails. Their stock value crash if this fails, and the exodus of talent is already underway due to present leadership will not lead to a stable ship. A leadership crisis amidst a value collapse while already shopping for buyers, and being told by governments anyone that can afford them isn't allowed to buy them is a terrible situation. Plus Tencent is already a major shareholder, Instead of selling during a value crash it's easy to believe they'll just offer other shareholders double value to buy the rest. At what the value is likely to become it'll be well under 70b. And then, beyond gaming that would present a new problem because governments would then be confronted with trying to block the same deal again against an even bigger cloud player, which then has China diplomacy concerns atop it all, yet passing sale to China after blocking the sale to US will then have new implications.
We'll still be talking about the implications of this when the PS7 is launching.
@AdamNovice
You know its going through in US. We like money and so does our regulators. Microsoft has a alot of money to burn to get it through out of pride.
@GADG3Tx87 "That is indeed how it would work."
So what are you then, a CEO, lawyer, govt official? If you are going to use the word "indeed" then you need to have some credentials to back it up.
This Satya Nadella? The one buying ABK?
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-talks-proposed-activision-blizzard-buyout/1100-6511324/
Read down the page a bit and you'll see MICRSOFT PRESIDENT Brad Smith talking about the deal, not Spencer.
Have you considered the possibility that you are just wrong? 🤷♂️
@OrtadragoonX "Companies don’t do things out of spite."
Have you even heard of Elon Musk? How about Disney?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/politics/disney-desantis-reedy-creek-power/index.html
@NEStalgia "I just want to live in the new world this would produce even just to see what the third world war looks like."
See above. 😂
@rjejr Rockets blowing up while not aimed at something does not count as a war. Unless you're in Russia.
@rjejr
My man, if you want to believe that, that's up to you. The fact is the UK said no. And they're highly unlikely to change their mind.
Do you think the UK didn't already consider all of this prior to their decision? This deal isn't happening. But if this is how you wish to torment yourself, more power to you I say.
@KIERONOO
Sega would be complicated because of Japanese protectionist policies.
You can become majority shareholder as a foreign entity, but it’s difficult to outright buy a Japanese company.
Kind of like the complex relationship Ford and Mazda had back in the 80s and 90s. Ford owned a controlling share (I think as high as 80% at one point) but had they tried to buy Mazda outright everyone was pretty sure the Japanese government would have intervened.
I have no idea how SNK got purchased by that Saudi prince. The Japanese government must have determined that it wasn’t a critical business to the overall Japanese economy and allowed it for that reason.
@FenIsMightier
Exactly. Tencent, Amazon, Apple, and Google have the money for Activision.
@rjejr
Elon Musk is a unique individual who owns the vast majority of stocks in his companies. He can do that without repercussions.
As for Disney, that’s a political fight. Not a business fight.
@Kidfried Sure there will be more exclusives but Sony has plenty it doesn’t allow to go anywhere else at all. Nintendo doesn’t really come into it as the ten year deal wouldn’t have mattered much anyway to them. Sure, we may have for COD mobile on Switch or a naff port a few times but I doubt Nintendo are sat there worried about this news. They are happy to let Sony and Xbox play their playground games.
The idea that this deal would have killed Sony - Jim Ryan said PlayStation only makes a profit because of COD - is absolute nonsense. Pure and utter fabrication.
More exclusives yes but also it would still have meant many more cross platform games.
But the reason for the deal being blocked in the UK is due to cloud gaming. Something that was pretty much not mentioned throughout.
The reason for blocking the deal is bizarre and seems to have come at the very last minute.
Quality exclusives breed competition. But we are not in the 1980’s and 1990’s days of Nintendo Vs Sega fanboys. There are still some but most gamers enjoy gaming no matter what system or systems they play on.
The odd game you will miss if you only have one system but nowadays you will miss very few.
When every console does well, gamers win. The only company I see wanting to be the best and stop the others is Sony.
@ShogunRok When you think about it, cloud gaming and subscription services are intertwined. The real threat here is Game Pass.
Microsoft has been playing an unfair game (pardon the pun) by sustaining an unsustainable business model, hoping that it would weaken competitors with shallower pockets in the long run. Bringing COD to GP would be another major blow in that sense.
Sure, they offered Sony to put COD on PS+, but that is such a cynical proposition as Sony cannot withstand the short-term loss in revenue.
At the end of the day, the subscription model the way Microsoft envisioned is only viable if it's close to a monopoly. This has always been the endgame, and I'm glad some regulatory bodies are seeing right through it.
@DiggleDog Whatever console side you're on there's no denying the dude's a s***ehouse rat.
I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories but the whole cloud gaming argument seems ridiculous considering the number of non Microsoft cloud gaming platforms were included in this deal.
I'm also quite surprised by the number of 'Prime Gaming' adverts I've been receiving from Amazon EVERYWHERE on my phone today. Weird.
@nomither6 microsoft is the one treating their fanbase like peasants, just go and see E3 2014 and watch both sony and xbox conference, people have a really short span memory XD
@LordBakemono that’s old news . $ony told us to get 2 jobs and work overtime to afford a ps3 , so ?
i’m talking about right now
@Weebleman Thanks. I think it makes a little more sense with that perspective. The logic is still a couple steps removed from concrete reality so I’m not sure I completely agree with the CMA’s thought process, but I’m far from an expert in this realm. Cloud gaming is still a somewhat nebulous concept to me.
There’s a legitimate question of whether ABK will try to sell to Tencent (or whatever they are calling themselves now). Since that entity isn’t a cloud gaming powerhouse, apparently there would be nothing stopping that from happening? I think most gamers no matter which is their preferred console would absolutely not prefer that outcome
A week ago the UK CMA were pretty happy with the deal. Don’t moaned as they usually do but it seemed to be inevitable it would be rubber stamped.
It then gets blocked due to concerns over cloud gaming / something that was pretty much not mentioned before.
It’s just odd for it to have been blocked based on such an odd issue. Xbox could rule cloud gaming and it wouldn’t make a jot of difference to Sony. It’s not what they are bothered about.
Remember that if Call of Duty ever suck on PlayStation now, it's all Activision's fault and not Microsoft. Microsoft didn't get to marry them yet.
I hope this is officially dead. After Bethesda, MS has MORE than enough.
Also, Taketwo, EA, ABK, and Epic should all be off the table for any platform holder.
@get2sammyb
Doesn't it? One of their biggest claim was not just streaming, but the fact that the deals Microsoft signed with other streaming services did not cover streaming from multi-game subscription plans. How many plans exist in the market right now?
Game Pass Ultimate, PlayStation Now Premium and? We could mention Amazon Luna, but that is not on the UK, and Google Stadia is dead of its own demerits.
Cloud gaming as the reason hmm. Maybe against Amazon Luna? Otherwise Sony with their Cloud or a Switch Cloud COD version even though they said native maybe both are an option? Or it's just Warzone? I'm just assuming I don't know. Either way I'd be fine with Spyro/Pitfall the rest I don't care for.
Either way Microsoft did make deals with other cloud gaming options didn't they? Ones we don't hear about much but that do exist out there. I mean while yes Microsoft is big and we have seen Windows issues in the past before. There is many other publishers AA or AAA western studios out there for sure.
If it were individual studios then a parent company and their studios then yeah the scale is different for sure. Then again Microsoft has some small games and releases just not big impactful ones because they take so long to make which is understandable with engine changes or just making the games.
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Yes! A government doing it’s freaking job regulating the economy. Great news, I had a feeling it might not go through, and hope this keeps up. MS shouldn’t be allowed to buy any more publishers in the industry. Frankly, even Bethesda was a sketchy deal.
Never really occurred to me before but why is a UK government institution given the ability to determine if one American corporation buys another?
Will they get kicked out of the UK if they just went ahead with the purchase?
Stevie Wonder saw that one coming...
This is an unfortunate turn of events, just when I thought the drama was finally over...
@Total_Weirdo not to worry mate! You said on Tuesday something to the effect of “sony have ten years to make a cod alternative with their AAA studios”…. By that logic surely with Microsoft’s superior resources and number of studios they can knock one out in 3-5 years. You will be playing “Duty is Calling” on gamepass by 2027 absolutely no doubt in my mind.
@Kidfried It’s Pentiment, not Pentinence, and it was an Obsidian passion project that MS signed off on them making after Obsidian was acquired. It wouldn’t exist in any form if not for the Obsidian buyout and wouldn’t be on Switch or PS in any world regardless.
@nomither6 Not sure how much of a wake up call that would be. Sony would be forced to create COD competitor (which they are probably trying anyways). But that would not force sony to create innovative games. An amazing, innovative hellblade or ever wild would be a much better wake up call.
@stua12t If people claim that they save money by subscribing to GP, then they apparently spend less on games, thus developers get less money and consequently have less money to develop games. The quality has to go down. Unless, the subscription model is so much more attractive compared to full price game purchases that the player base grows in the GP model but not in the conventional model. But, there is no indication that that is the case. It is possible that GP is profitable, because there are mostly lower quality titles on the service than what people would typically purchase or because developers sold their games for a bargain price to MS. But it is hard to believe that GP is profitable and that many high, quality exclusive AAA games appear on the service soon. Somebody has to pay for the development. So, if people pay less then there are either fewer games or lower quality games. Or people do not pay less but just think that they pay less. Or only the people who play a lot of games pay less but the typical people actually pay more.
I'm here just to watch the funny arguments of console wars.
@NEStalgia In mother Russia rockets are aimed at, mother Russia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65344370
@OrtadragoonX "Not a business fight"
So, Disney isn't a business and this lawsuit about how they are allowed to run their business is simply about politics and not at all about their business?
Relevant line from the lawsuit: "now threatens Disney’s business operations"
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/disney-sues-ron-desantis-over-reedy-creek-control-rcna81587
@GADG3Tx87 "torment yourself"
Well I was asking a question if anybody KNEW the answer but talking to you does feel like tormenting myself so I'll stop that now.
@BaldBelper78 A bunch of 'experts' saying that the CMA were expected to approve the deal based on little to no evidence doesn't mean they were ever actually going to approve it. The only thing we knew for sure was that they had dropped the console side of things but we're still looking at the cloud aspect. The very fact that they dropped one but were still looking into the other suggests to me that they had concerns about that part all along and this isn't just a sudden change of heart.
Cloud gaming was always listed as a concern, why do you think MS were throwing around 10 year deals to other cloud platforms like sweets, they must have known it was a potential deal breaker the fact they put so much work into it.
@LightningLeader I’d rather never play a video game again than have GamePass.. f*** SuXbox
@Kevw2006 Maybe. Still seems strange but cloud will never replace consoles across the board. Xbox know they are never catching PlayStation so may as well go to cloud only which I expect they will.
They have even signed another 10 year cloud deal today.
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