Sony’s hastily announced PS5 streaming handheld, currently codenamed Project Q, will feature all of the functionality of a traditional DualSense controller, a press release has confirmed. The device, which features an 8-inch LCD screen capable of outputting 1080p images at 60 frames-per-second, has been specifically designed to enable off-screen gameplay, so you can continue playing while your friends and family watch TV – or even when you’re upstairs in bed.
But it’ll be sacrificing none of the traditional PS5 experience in the process, as the device will include full haptic feedback and adaptive triggers, just like a traditional DualSense pad. The Japanese giant promises the device will “deliver crisp visuals and smooth gameplay”, but it’s important to reiterate that this peripheral won’t run any games natively – it’ll need to be connected to your console via Wi-Fi in order to work.
More information, according to the organisation, will be announced later in the year.
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@PlayStationGamer3919 It won't. It's Remote Play only.
If this was able to play PS4 games natively with remote play for PS5 then we could have had something here and probably a day one buy.
So can I play it anywhere as long as I have wifi, or do I have to be on the same wifi as my PS5?
It's a smart looking device but I just don't want to stream games
"the Japanese giant promises the device will “deliver crisp visuals and smooth gameplay""
Considering my internet: (X) Doubt
@billyredbeard It should work anywhere with Wi-Fi, although keep in mind that the further away you are the more latency you'll add.
Perfect. Excited to have to replace my handheld every 3 months for extreme stick drift.
This is dumb and pointless. Even on fiber you still have some latency issues thru wifi 6 in the best case scenario. At least the earbuds look OK. Especially if they work thru the PS5 natural Bluetooth with no dongle.
PS5 U is a non-starter for me.
But it’s wifi only right? Meaning I can play at home or while visiting family. If the former I can just connect my dualsense to my phone via Bluetooth. If the latter I’m likely not going to be gaming. These things generally can’t connect to hotel wifi.
So I get the benefit of a little more ergonomic convenience (can hold the screen closer to my face at the same time as the controller). Not really worth the £100-150 this is likely to cost.
Plus will it be locked to the crap official remote play app that keeps disconnecting? I understand there is a better third party one that can be downloaded to phones, but I doubt it can be used with this.
Overall, I’d get it for the convenience if connection is good and it’s no more than £80. Given the dualsense costs around 60 and this will have a screen and a smaller user base, I very much doubt that.
I just can't imagine this becoming a success. What's the point of a handheld if you have to be around your PS5 to use it? Unless you spend hours a day on the toilet that is.
@Krysus
Even the pulse headset needs a dongle on PS5.
I’ll probably buy it… and then never end up actually using it (much like the backbone I bought last year and is still boxed).
@Darude84
Honestly, I’d use it in bed when the wife and I are watching TV and / or she falls asleep and I don’t want to get up.
But I doubt it will be at a justifiable cost for that user case, especially if the connection is as bad as on my phone.
Even 200GB download space for one or two games would be nice 🤔 I wonder if there's a USB port on it somewhere, maybe someone will figure out how to hack it.
Doesn't look like it.
Still, it's a nice idea. All depends on that price though.
@Shepherd_Tallon
It has no way to run games natively.
@thefourfoldroot1 Ah yes, I can just use the television screen since I live alone, but I can see the point of that.
PlayStation is no longer Japanese.
Sony is, but not PlayStation.
Ever since the PS4, PlayStation moved their HQ to America.
@thefourfoldroot1 Yep, it's right there in the article. I need to go eat something.
I was hoping for a dedicated PS Plus handheld that let's me download my Plus or Purchased titles.
Ah well.
Just pre-ordered a RoG Ally and with Sony committed to releasing games on PC, I can play these 'locally' on the RoG Ally on the Go. Not only that, I can buy a dock to boost 'performance' and even Visual quality with an external GPU dock - an RTX4090 for example to 'dock' with my 4k TV and out-perform my Series X/PS5 hardware - at a huge cost of course.
Point is, being a handheld PC means I can play ANY PC game (inc Steam, Epic, Xbox etc games) on the Go and with its on 1080/120 VRR screen, (even able to use DS5 controller via Blutooth), I don't see the point in buying something to 'stream' only and 'locked' to PS only too...
If it’s using the same tech as the dualsense, what happens if the dreaded stick drift shows up? Since the whole device is one unit, that would not be good. I would only buy this if there was a way to replace the analogue sticks like the Edge, and also if it worked as a standalone handheld console as opposed to a steaming device from a PS5 in close proximity.
@Krysus
Couldn't really disagree more with the notion that it's "pointless".
Yes, probably not a wise move to be playing Destiny et al, but if you like turned based (and other less kinetic) games and don't want to play on the switch unless you have to, this is IDEAL.
I will be getting both the hardware and the FF Pixel remasters the moment it drops.
Slightly worried the price will be absurd though...
The PS Vita released in 2011 with an OLED screen. Whats the deal with using an LCD for this.
I can kind of see the appeal with the device - although its uses are fairly limited to me
Also it doesnt really solve the problem that i can't stream games from my PS5 if my kids are watching Disney plus which does make me question how much value i could get from it
The battery on this is gonna be "Moderately lower" than the Dualsense Edge then.
I also don't agree with the "useless" assessment. I think they probably know this has a very specific audience, and it's clearly not going to appeal to everyone.
But I do think there are people in some situations who will get use out of something like this. As long as they have the right expectations for it, I think it'll sell fine.
@Rob_230
Isn’t there a Disney Plus TV app you could use?
Can't even imagine any use to this device for me personally. I have no problem with TV access at home. During work trips I usually take a notebook with myself and I can play some game on it even via PS5 streaming with Dualsense connected. Steam Deck and Switch can play games offline and that's a big advantage. But this project Q can not do this.
I mean, PS Remote play is great inside my home using the local network.. However, trying connect from outside it is not so great. I think this has uses, but ultimately just isn't quite as useful as a full blown portable like a Switch.
I’ll stick with the Switch for my laying in bed fix.
My internet isn’t viable for remote play. I’ve tried it several times. But it does not work worth a crap.
I’ll be tempted if it’s around 100 bucks. Unfortunately my internet connection and wifi at home is not great so I’m not sure how it’ll run
So a DualSense with a screen... 40 minute battery life?
If only it had 5G.
Guess you can make darn near anything in TotK!
So wait you need to be around your ps5 to use this handheld? Yikes
The screen is not OLED which is disappointing, but at least the handheld will be expensive.
@get2sammyb I only did remote play on PS4 so like the old system will this need to be left in rest mode for remote play to work?
Haptics aside, I can’t see this behind any better than the Logitech G-Cloud.
At least with the G-Cloud i can play other native android games (including plenty of Square Enix games) and also jump into game pass and Xbox remote play.
This thing is being compared left and right to a Wii U, I would not be shocked if it ends up either being shelved or only released in Japan.
Oh btw: PS remote play sucks if you don’t have your PS hooked via good Ethernet.
Is this some sort of an out of the season April Fools joke?!
@Rob_230 Price. OLED is still expensive, and not worth it for cheap devices like this.
@Darude84 perfect device for families I can’t always get to my tv as it’s being used by kids or my partner now I’ll be able to play my PlayStation when I want
Probably at a steep price though will definitely be waiting for the price as I currently use a back bone .
I would be happier if they made a handheld that was dedicated to "retro" games running natively. Like, maybe it can download and play the whole classics catalog you get with PS+ Premium. I just can't get behind a handheld dedicated to game streaming
@Meehanuk_1987 Yes, I see the benefits now. Didn't think of this because I don't share my television with others.
@get2sammyb But there are always people 'in some situations' that will buy any old crap.
I use remote play a lot, and have fantastic results with it. Once I finally figured out you have to have an Ethernet connection and can’t rely on the WiFi. So I have quite a bit of experience with it.
With that said, this was a giant waste of resources. I can’t wrap my head around this idea. Remote play can already be done on literally any device. Tablets, smart phones, laptops. You can even connect your dualsense to your phone (or any device) via Bluetooth, which again, does the same function.
Definitely useful for me since my kids are always hogging the tv. Plus I don't want them watching while I play mortal kombat.
We had this with the Wii u didn't we?
Wii I never bothered with it's basically a GameCube add on.
@BAM Don't forget that you lose a ton of performance with an external gpu. It would be smarter to just have a pc and stream from it, like what this does.
Steam remote play works amazingly well with the SD.
I'm excited for this. I do a lot of gaming via Remote Play usually so my other half can watch TV, having full haptic support and a lightweight device for it seems perfect (the SteamDeck is a bit heavy).
I hope its cheap enough to justify the cost, and in the future if they really go more into cloud gaming that it works without going via the PS5.
@Darude84 you may be surprised to hear that some gamers have partners who like to watch other things on TV. Or they may want to play a game or two while in bed.
@Trajan I have a RTX3080ti Laptop and DLSS not only gives the 'best' PQ, it often means I get to play games at Higher PQ and Performance from a 'mobile' GPU. The 'downside' is that it feels like Work - being sat in front of a 'monitor' size screen and a Keyboard.
I don't 'need' an External GPU to get 'better' than Switch/Steam Deck on my 55" 4k TV, but an 'external' GPU (the RTX 4090 is a 'beast' - even if its not as 'performant' as the Desktop version) will give me DLSS, RT performance boosts and the ability to play at '4k'. It still 'beats' PS5 and Series X.
On top of that, I can play Spider-Man or God of War anywhere - not just where the wifi is good enough (let alone all the 'emulators' to play PS1,2,3 games, Nintendo, Sega etc games on the go or at '4k/60' minimum on my TV). The external GPU is a 'great' way to boost a 'small' form factor device, be able to chuck a LOT more power at it than 'Batteries' can so when its 'docked', it not only Competes with high end consoles, it can leave them behind. Then when the TV is in 'use' (I can't game on PS5/Series X then either), I can still use the RoG Ally, sat on the Sofa with the family as they watch TV etc...
Streaming is not the 'best' option. It may well be a 'decent' option, but its still limited on res/frame rates with Compression and Lag/Latency, limited to where your Wifi is strong enough etc - good enough when the alternative is 'nothing' but not as good as playing 'Local' on decent hardware...
This is a PC in its own right - its not 'limited' to just Playstation and the games you have on that Platform, it also has Game Pass for PC and Game Pass Cloud, Epic, Steam and all the 'emulation' to play Nintendo games too. Its not 'limited' to 'streaming' only or 1080/60.
Of course, it costs a LOT but the RoG Ally and a RTX4090 external GPU cost less than my RTX3080ti Laptop and can replace my Series X entirely (all games release on PC too anyway) and play games from Sony and 1000's of games not on PS5 too.
Its not 'smarter' if you don't enjoy the full Desktop type set-up (it feels too much like being at work) and/or don't have the 'room' to get a 'full' set-up - hence I went for the Laptop, but that still feels too 'work' like.
The point is that the RoG Ally is more like a Console and the 'eGPU' dock makes it a 4k Console on a TV - like with Switch. I could buy a 'standard' dock/charger that acts more like the 'Switch' Dock for 1080p gaming but the eGPU boosts things so much further and brings DLSS and RTX to what is an 'AMD' based handheld Console that offers much more flexibility and versatility than a 'desktop' does. You can't play that 'on the go' and I'd rather take my RoG Ally and eGPU on Holiday than a Laptop, Desktop, Series S/X or PS5...
This product is the strangest product I have ever seen. Sony already has android and ios apps for remote play. Their app is terrible. With enough sense you use PSPlay instead (which I fear they are now going to try to break on purpose because they have their own proprietary remote play device. If they break logins so I can't use PSPlay anymore I'll be furious.)
I'm the target market for sure, and yet there's no chance I'm buying one of these things. I just bought a Logitech G Cloud. It's overpriced at $300, but I can remote play PS (preferably with PS Play) I can play XCloud, I can remote play my XB, I can play Steamlink. I can play GeForce Now. I can play other cloud services. All on a nice Gamepad-lite 7" screen that looks pretty good, gets all day battery pretty much, and is just a nice package.
Sony now wants me to buy a dedicated proprietary handled, of which there's no chance it'll sell under $250, and if it's over $300 I'll laugh and laugh, that, from what we know does NOTHING but remote play from PS, probably your primary PS only, as far as they've said it doesn't even support PS Plus Prem cloud streaming (???) which makes no sense but it's probably an android device and they don't have an android app for cloud (and it would be absurd if they locked portable cloud play to their own proprietary handheld hardware, defeating the entire purpose of cloud.)
And to top it all off, while the idea of an extra inch on the screen sounds great, that thing is like an iPad in a vise. That doesn't look pleasant to hold at all.
I mean, my most favorite feature of PS Vita (of which I bought three!) was the remote play features which for its time was amazing. But this looks awful. Especially if it's not cheap.
And this is a Sony product with DS5 motors. How many hours battery time do we want to guess it runs? 2? 4? Can't be more than 5, or it wouldn't be a Sony.
@NinjaNicky "(20+ hours on a single charge) so it's definitely good enough to support a screen."
Huh? DS5 does not get 20 hours. DS5 gets 6-8 hours max. And that upper range is really for PS4 games not using the haptics. PS5 games with full haptics drain it faster. Love or hate their controllers PS controllers have had the worst battery life in the industry since PS3.
@Ralizah ROFL! Flying platforms have longer batteries than Sony controllers though.
@Rob_230 "stream games from my PS5 if my kids are watching Disney"
If you can afford this then you can probably afford $25 for a Roku stick for your kids to stream. Besides, you should NOT be using your PS5 for streaming TV, the electric usage is insane. You'd probably save money by buying a $25 Fire TV Stick.
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/10/as-energy-prices-soar-consider-an-alternative-to-video-streaming-on-ps5-ps4
As a Wii U owner who hated the limited range of the Gamepad - about 8' though the 3DS could be used as a controller in Smash about 25' - I could see a use for this, but, price really is an issue. If it's $200 I'd have to think about buying a used PS5, which could become available after the new discless model ships, and hook it up to another TV. I bought a 2nd PS3 for my bedroom tv when the slimmer slim piece of trash plastic shipped for $199.
@naruball a good 70% of my gaming time is when I wind down in bed 😂
Meh... I appreciate certain things have limited appeal, but PlayStation have really missed an opportunity here. I just don't see the point in it. I'll stick with my Vita and PSP for portable PlayStation gaming ta...
@pumpkin_head To each his own. I'm a little surprised at the streaming only aspect of this hardware. Seems very out of touch with the current market. I'll stick to my Steamdeck as my primary portable. This thing just seems totally superfluous.
@Rob_230 - no idea I got very excited when I saw this thinking absolute perfection, 8” of 4k oled remote play but then they go and do that.
@get2sammyb yea I’m not sure people understand the ability to have top spec games in the palm of your hand is an absolute joy, also it frees the TV up.
Would likely be the preferred method in japan as well they love their handhelds and all
@BAMozzy Seems like more work than just making a real PC, but you do you I guess.
Where this company goes?
Really I don't understand.
Something is wrong in the head of the CEO and I am sure he doesn't play any games or try at least.
Wrong direction uncle Jim.....
They are speaking for ps5 pro......for what?
To play games from the previous decade?
How many games until now we saw to push the limits of the ps5?
We can count them in one hand!
The showcase.......are they happy with the things they showed us?
I am still laughing!
Shame
@NinjaNicky What games are you playing? Even the official estimates on the battery (which are optimistic) don't weigh in anywhere near there. Even the Push review at launch didn't put it anywhere hear there. Something seems odd. I mean I can imagine a game that uses no rumble or anything might go longer, though 20h seems excessive even for that. It gets into Switch Pro Controller/XB Elite runtime territory which is the high water mark for controllers.
I'd say mine starts warning it's almost dead in a PS4 game (HZD specifically) after about 6-7 hours on a lazy Sunday. I get 4.5-6 on a PS5 game (Stray or GT7 for example.)
My Edge and VR Sense are even worse, maybe 4-5.5 hours no matter what before it just drops out totally.
Its' always been that way though, launch DS4 was even worse. DS3 wasn't great.
A portable ps4pro would sell alot, why can't Sony make one?
Not a product for me as I can't think of a situation when I'd use it, if it at least could run the PS classics natively then maybe. Plus let's be honest the battery life is likely to be pretty terrible with all the Dualsense features and now a screen and if I really cared about remote play, I can do it right now on my phone with a better screen than this has
If it uses a direct to console wifi connection (like the WiiU) I could be tempted. Otherwise my internet infrastructure here sucks, I never had good exeriences with remote play on phones in my own wifi.
Yeah... this is one of the most disappointing console generations I have ever seen in my life. Keep me posted if Sony releases literally anything other than Spider-Man over the next 2 years.
Well, back to TotK I go!
Why, Sony? Did anyone really ask for this?
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