Update: In a rapidly developing update in this snowballing story, Microsoft president Brad Smith has revealed that his company have agreed to a “stay of litigation” with UK regulator, the CMA. An appeal hearing with the CAT had been scheduled to get underway on 28th July, but it sounds like the two parties will now return to the table in an attempt to hammer out some kind of compromise.
Smith said: “After today’s court decision in the US, our focus now turns back to the UK. While we ultimately disagree with the CMA's concerns, we are considering how the transaction might be modified in order to address those concerns in a way that is acceptable to the CMA.”
He added: “In order to prioritise work on these proposals, Microsoft and Activision have agreed with the CMA that a stay of the litigation in the UK would be in the public interest and the parties have made a joint submission to the Competition Appeal Tribunal to this effect.”
Original Article: The seemingly never-ending saga involving Microsoft’s proposed $69 billion buyout of Activision Blizzard has taken another twist today, as the trillion dollar titan has overcome US regulator the Federal Trade Commission in court, after the antitrust organisation had sought a preliminary injunction to prevent the acquisition from closing.
Over five days of testimony, Judge Jacqueline Scott Corley listened to arguments from both Microsoft and the FTC, and ultimately ruled in favour of allowing the Redmond firm to complete the deal ahead of its 18th July deadline. However, Microsoft still faces significant hurdles in the UK, where the Competition and Markets Authority has blocked the deal.
A statement from Judge Corley said:
Microsoft’s acquisition of Activision has been described as the largest in tech history. It deserves scrutiny. That scrutiny has paid off: Microsoft has committed in writing, in public, and in court to keep Call of Duty on PlayStation for 10 years on parity with Xbox. It made an agreement with Nintendo to bring Call of Duty to Switch. And it entered several agreements to for the first time bring Activision’s content to several cloud gaming services. This Court’s responsibility in this case is narrow. It is to decide if, notwithstanding these current circumstances, the merger should be halted – perhaps even terminated – pending resolution of the FTC administrative action. For the reasons explained, the Court finds the FTC has not shown a likelihood it will prevail on its claim this particular vertical merger in this specific industry may substantially lessen competition. To the contrary, the record evidence points to more consumer access to Call of Duty and other Activision content. The motion for a preliminary injunction is therefore DENIED.
Meanwhile, Xbox boss Phil Spencer commented on Twitter that the “evidence showed the Activision Blizzard deal is good for the industry”. He added that Microsoft’s commitment to “bringing more games to more people on more devices has only grown”:
The Xbox maker will now need to determine whether it closes the deal without the CMA’s permission or if it can negotiate some form of remedy with the British regulator. Microsoft has appealed to the Competition Appeal Tribunal in a bid to get the CMA to reconsider, and a hearing will get underway on 28th July – after the aforementioned deadline.
The FTC does have three days to appeal the above decision, but commentators have noted it didn’t exercise that right when it attempted to block Meta’s acquisition of VR developer Within. There’s still a lot of mileage left in this story, then, but with the FTC faltering and the European Commission already giving the deal the greenlight, a lot of pressure is now being placed on the UK’s regulator.
[source theverge.com]
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Sweet, about time...
They will get it though the UK in one form or another. Whether that’s a remedy agreement or bypassing the UK will remain to be seen.
But I’m sure glad this is nearly done and we can all move on.
Good, hopefully they settle up quickly with the UK regulator and everyone can move in from this boring acquisition...until Sony predictably retaliate with a Japanese publisher and the fan wars start again
I wonder how much money was wasted just delaying the inevitable?
Assume the delay in verdict was to basically put all parties in a room to reach concessions? Either way, can this thing just come to a head already.
@Anthony_Daniels @IAmAshCohen17 I don't really understand this mindset of "finally it'll all be over".
If this deal goes through, you're looking at the beginning, not the end.
Big rich company wins in court and in other news water is wet. They won't care about UK we all know that, so this is finally over, RIP making "news" about everything Spencer takes from his ass LOL.
Just as we get news of more layoffs at Microsoft…
Either which way though, it’s about time. Hopefully Xbox can be more respectful to Activision’s historical catalog than the company themselves currently are. I would love to see Pitfall on modern platforms, for instance.
Hope the uk keeps it blocked tbh
I think they reached the correct decision. The question now is does xbox work with the CMA on a solution or around the CMA on a solution.
This FTC case was the biggest hurdle by far. It is basically smooth seas ahead and is just a matter of which path they take around the UK decision.
@get2sammyb because we don't care. This is a PS site not a "MS does whatever with things that used to be on PS site"
And so they should - the Argument was extremely weak and even if ABK games 'never' come to Playstation, its not as if Sony can't 'compete' with their OWN 'exclusives'. Not only that, there are literally hundreds of Studios making games, lots of Publishers too so Sony will still get AMAZING games as well.
It was NEVER going to monopolise gaming or impact on Sony, Nintendo, Steam, Epic, EA, Ubisoft, TenCent, Embracer etc etc etc competing for gamers money and their 'time' playing their games...
Currently, the UK is the 'only' blockers of this deal where over 40 other regions have agreed this deal poses NO threat to Competition and wouldn't give MS the monopoly or ability to 'control' gaming. They cleared it with regards to 'hardware' and stated clearly that the deal poses no threat to Sony, their concerns related to 'Cloud' - which they got completely wrong...
When you have pockets as deep as Microsoft, no regulators will stop you. Money talks.
Entirely unsurprising decision. The writers and users of this site have put forward more effective arguments against the deal than the FTC did. By spending half the time arguing that the Switch doesn't count and the other half about Call of Duty (something even the CMA said doesn't matter) this outcome was all but to be expected.
I’m not surprised. I just want this over so we don’t have to hear about this anymore.
What will Microsoft need to buy next to be able to “compete” against Nintendo and Sony
Good for the industry. Hopefully it forces Sony to finally a buy a publisher or two as well. Or Sony is not allowed to compete?
@GymratAmarillo To be fair, you don't have to click the article if you're not interested in its contents.
Not surprising at all. The FTC's arguments were mostly laughably lousy and they clearly did not have the right people consulting them on how the video game industry works.
I just wish it could be finalized one way or the other so I know whether to bother keeping my Series X or sell it
@Bamila I must admit, from the limited understanding I've gleaned from covering this entire episode, I don't really understand the point in the regulators.
It doesn't seem like they have any authority or even willpower to prevent these giant trillion dollar megacorps from becoming even bigger, so what's the point?
Companies like Apple, Amazon, Disney, Microsoft, et al are already far, far, far too big in my opinion. But alas!
@get2sammyb the CMA and FTC were in on protecting Sony and not the consumer the whole time. The CMA don’t have a case any better than the FTC did if court is in play. Also i posted about this the other day, Jim Ryan in court was asked if Sony bought ABK would he make COD exclusive and he told the judge he didn’t want to answer the question. She told him he don’t get to choose what questions to answer and he pleaded the 5th. Now I appreciate him not lying and saying no he wouldn’t. But the way he wouldn’t answer shows Sony would have kept COD and not brought it to more places nor keep it on Xbox and yet the FTC still was there defending Sony and not the consumer. The FTC is in a lot of legal trouble at the moment and this case was just a waste of their time. They had no proof of why this deal wouldn’t be better for the industry than worse.
@get2sammyb and to be fair you don't need to trash on PS at every "chance" you have only because you didn't like somethig and to play the impartial part but here we are. This is Sony now, right? 😂 😂
'It's not done yet'? This is so done. Bobby is probly sprinting to Phil's office right now with pen in hand. I'd like Warcraft on my Xbox tomorrow plz. Kkthx.
@Anthony_Daniels which is exactly what will happen. Sony has been very quiet about potential acquisitions due to this debacle, and I’m just glad to be moving on from it. I want a healthier PlayStation, and that means it needs more competition. Bring it.
@Krysus Well, it's not, is it? We still need to await the outcome of the CMA stuff. But yes, it's a step closer.
I look forward to seeing how Sony responds to the likelihood of COD being day 1 gamepass in a few years. If you sub to either console's service they are about to get much better.
@MidnightDragonDX MS now own the biggest gaming publisher in the industry, you'll hear about this for the rest of your gaming life my friend
Finally, PlayStation can now unleash all of their huge third party deals that were made behind the scenes.
@DeathlySW - The more reliable outcome for this from Sony: They greenlit more 5 live service games to see if they can finally find their own Fortnite.
Remember when everyone thought COD sucked? Good times.
@Anthony_Daniels Sony will definitely look at securing Square Enix somehow.
It might not be an acquisition. They bought shares in Kadokawa and FromSoftware. I would expect the same thing to happen with SE.
People just don't understand the ramifications of a company like Microsoft buying up a company like Activision. Well, everyone will find out soon enough. They'll find out too late...but they'll find out all the same.
@MaajorVit Just to clarify: the acquisition has not closed yet. I understand people like to speak in definitives and obviously it's now looking more likely today than it did yesterday, but it's important we deal with the facts:
The deal has not yet closed.
@Gunnerzaurus how i am wrong that Sony owns 80% of the high end market in video game sales and didn’t lose COD in this deal. All this does for MS is brings COD revenue into their wallets and allows them to put it on GP. This ain’t going to stop PS5, PS6 and PS7 from being a juggernaut and having good games.
Sucks for gaming and gamers. But the fact that many gamers are ok with this is baffling. They clearly don't understand economics.
The US was never going to be the major roadblock to this deal.
Good to see some people aren't blinded by Jim Ryan's b.s.
I'm having chips for dinner tonight
Well that's gaming ruined.
@get2sammyb altering the verdict there is a 5 day period in which Ms can’t close. So 5 day’s from now would be the soonest MS could close it.
@Ralizah 41 countries approved the deal. How many other road blocks are there to get in the way. The US actually went to court. Lost cause they had no case.
@get2sammyb
It is the end, It's the end of Microsofts attempts to buy Activision which has gone on long enough.
No need to read anything more into my comment, only a fool thinks consolidation is good for the industry. Microsoft are looking to monopolize video game software because they failed miserably at hardware. They'll aim to control the majority of big game content for their games pass brand and cloud streaming.
In another 10 years they'll try to gobble up ea
@Cutmastavictory it's just people being fanboys. But that's gaming now messed up. Bad times.
@HonestHick Yeah, exactly! Just wanted to be clear because I think some people were misunderstanding the news today!
@GymratAmarillo well said. I had to block the other Xbox site they run. Too many fanboys. Now it's leaking over to this site.
@get2sammyb hi Sammy, I know it's not nearly as big of a game as Call of Duty but when MLB the show went on game pass did it make much difference in the sales on playstation do you know?
@GymratAmarillo he's been like that for a long time.
It would not suprise me if after this, the FTC dropped their trial in August, as no matter what, they need a federal judge to side with them. And that's not going to happen based on this judgement.
The FTC does not have the power to block or divest, a federal court does.
It's a really bad day for the FTC, especially as they failed on every one of their points. It's also a really bad day for the CMA, who now have no support from any regulator or judge around the world.
@HonestHick Microsoft was always expected to win here. Our courts are very pro-big business.
I'm curious to see how they handle their issues with the UK.
What a disaster. Don't worry, guys. Microsoft said they are the feisty, permanently-in-third-place, super-mistreated underdogs! I'm sure nothing bad will come of them trying to buy up everything in the market.
@Gunnerzaurus i am a follow the good games gamer. I own al 3 and could care less what company or brand is tied to the box. I don’t like Sony or MS as a company. But they have great games and so i own their consoles. In 5, 10, 20 years i will follow the great games to whatever company owns them or to the cloud.
What has gone largely unreported,especially by the pro xbot twitter cheer squad is the Judge's son works for Microsoft. This was disclosed by her pre-trial,but she justified not recusing herself on the tenuous basis "he didn't work in the gaming division".
Doesn't really matter if he did or didn't,the fact that her son's career could be impacted with a negative decision,(keeping in mind this is the same Microsoft that jettisoned thousands of jobs last year),should've been grounds enough. She limited the FTC's line of questioning more than once like if IP's like Diablo would go exclusive.
Not shocked by the decision, but like the U.S Supreme Court's increasingly politicised decisions their system seems riddled with conflicts of interests. 🙄🤔
Am I surprised,no. Do I think Microsoft will continue their buying spree of 3rd party AAA's purely to keep them off Playstation,sadly yes. The Xbots will be cheering this right through to when they find they can only subscribe to their games, rather than buy them. A sad day for gaming.
@Razrye888 Jeeez let's not get dramatic.
@Ralizah i would look into the legal trouble the FTC is in at the moment to see they are not doing their job correctly and the leader is in serious legal troubles for other cases not this one. The only reason the UK CMA declined the deal was cloud gaming. They said they approved the deal on the console side remember. So that gives them and MS some ways to work an agreement. A lot of people forget to mention that on here when they use the CMA as their answer. I want to be clear about this one more time the CMA APPROVED the ABK deal on CONSOLES, just not cloud.
I'm interested to see what Sony does under pressure, but I sure as all hope they aren't putting all their eggs in their games as service hand basket. I don't care about 90% ATK games, I don't care about 90% of games as service, but I do care about how the video game console I support through purchases chooses which games come next.
They might appeal, saw somewhere where it said that the son of the judge works for Microsoft so could be a conflict of interest. I just want this to be over so I don't have to hear about it anymore.
@Darylb88 Surely not just chips? Got to be a main dish with those chips.
CMA and xbox have both just now asked the CAT tribunal to pause litigation on the appeal of the CMA block after hearing the ftc ruling. It appears they are renegotiating now. This whole thing might be official soon.
The UK and Microsoft will sort a deal
https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/11/23791149/microsoft-activision-blizzard-uk-regulators-cma-appeal
@Americansamurai1 they knew about that before the trial started ,it's not like it just came out she asked if anyone has a problem with her son working for Microsoft and the ftc said no ....before the trial
Well seeing as I don't play any of this companies games Activision blizzard I mean outside of a few older cod campaigns this really doesn't effect me
Now what I would really like to know is who there looking to buy next cuz we know there not stopping and what the courts response to it would be cuz that would most likely be another case
Wonder how much they paid her off?
Looks like the CMA are backing down already and have asked for a stay of litigation to try and settle this without the CAT.
"In a further development today, Microsoft president Brad Smith has said the FTC's decision has prompted it and the CMA to agree that a "stay of litigation" is now "in the public interest" - sparking further hope for Microsoft of a breakthrough on these shores.
"After today's court decision in the US, our focus now turns back to the UK," Smith said today in a statement shared to Eurogamer. "While we ultimately disagree with the CMA's concerns, we are considering how the transaction might be modified in order to address those concerns in a way that is acceptable to the CMA.
In order to prioritise work on these proposals, Microsoft and Activision have agreed with the CMA that a stay of the litigation in the UK would be in the public interest and the parties have made a joint submission to the Competition Appeal Tribunal to this effect."
CMA are going to agree to remedies and it will be a big win for the UK regulator. This is what the FTC should have done the whole time but unfortunately ideology got in the way, and now they look stupid.
Probably worth an update to the article
This has been an ugly affair, and i personally haven't enjoyed seeing all these industry secrets spilling out in to the public as all it has achieved has been to flame console wars.
I think both Sony and Microsoft have looked awful during this process. It will be interesting to see how this impacts future partnerships, Activision notwithstanding.
Sony will have to bring their A game now. Genuinely wouldn't be surprised to see another showcase this year
@Robocod will this stop Sony buyinh third party aaas to stop them releasing on Xbox ? No it's the same for all companies they have exclusives
And as for
"The Xbots will be cheering this right through to when they find they can only subscribe to their games, rather than buy them. A sad day for gaming"
Like a company is going to stop selling games and say no thank you we don't want your money we would prefer much else money by subscribing to game pass ,don't talk foil hat rubbish
@20Powerplay94
I believe Activision is already in talk to buy Sega.
Added an update to the article!
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The beginning of the downfall of the games industry as we know it. With Microsoft, predictably, at the forefront.
I honestly don't find any positive response sincere other than the motivation "My cheap Gamepass". It will cause much more negativity for the industry itself. Also really annoyed that Micky just got rid of their incompetentiness with bullying the industry itself. Don't know how Sony will recover from this. I really don't want to be in a future where all we get is AA games...
@TrickyDicky99 They're using PC (and TV shows/movies, eventually phones etc) to reach new audiences.
I'm fairly confident they don't regret this regardless of the outcome here.
@Martsmall There are actually 2 Xbox Game Studios games that are Game Pass exclusive (as in you can't buy the games). Iron Brigade and The Cave, they got delisted from digital stores years ago and then reappeared this year as Game Pass exclusive.
@Martsmall Try buying Extraction from Netflix or WandaVision from Disney. "Renting" games is the future MS want not buying them.
@Grumblevolcano they got delisted yes yes they were for sale and they are not owned by Microsoft
@MaajorVit Well, I mean it won’t be the dominating story every day at least. XD
How long till xbox does another hike for gamepass price when the deal closes?
@WallyWest they were made for netflix /Disney to bring in subs ,they don't put everything they make out on blu ray it's different
@Sekijo but you can still get office on disc if you prefer to buy
@Scottyy Why do you think all future games will be AA?
@Martsmall Double Fine developed both of those games and they were acquired by Microsoft in 2019.
This is good news as now that money won't go towards buying developers/publishers that make games I actually care about.
Now come on Sony whip out the cheque book for Square Enix, From Software, Capcom or CD Project Red, before Microsoft buys up everyone and ruins the gaming market.
@Sekijo like any company is going to say yes have our game for game pass but not sell the game it's stupid to think they would
And do you think Microsoft would keep.their games on GP and.not sell them ? They would lose loads of money take starfield for example you can play starfield on gp or buy and even pay for dlc /play it early like diablo did ,you think Microsoft doesn't at like to make money ?
Ouch, always thought when Microsoft entered the game industry, how long would it be before they got the cheque book out. It's been a good 20 years, the next will be interesting.
So the gloves will be off, who's next to be bought and by whom - Square Enix, Capcom, Sega, Konami, From Software, Take 2, EA, Ubisoft .
As for the 69 Billion to buy Activision, who's going to pay that back with only 25 million on game pass, that works out at 2,800 each without any interest on top!
Maybe this could double the subs to 50 million but you still need an extra 10 per month at least for the next 10 years, plus recover the cost of COD being free - now up an extra 15-20 per month ???
@Splat Remember the Internet is not a real place. Doesn't matter how many people on Internet trashed on Cod annually. Millions of people who are not participating on the internet with gaming related stuff bought it. Hence CoD has sold 15-25 million copies every single year.
@Martsmall you realise they could do this clever thing called, "putting the price up" or "further paywalls for day one exclusives"
And also, you say about Microsoft office on disc. Let's think about Microsoft embedded in PCs for a second. Good luck getting one that doesn't come without it that isn't Apple...
It's clear MS want Gamepass on every possible device, and from that point on, they control the market and can paywall the s*** out of it
@Magic_Knight it's the mobile games that make the money they dwarf what console game sales there is and next year when the mobiles are opened up for stores ,microsoft already has lots of big mobile earners
Sony should maybe think about signing that 10 year deal with Microsoft now, otherwise MS won’t be obligated to keep CoD on PlayStation for the next 10 years….👀
@ED_209 With what money? It the biggest they did was Bungie an that was developer for $3 billion, so where do you think they are gonna get the money to buy a publisher?
@Scottyy Don't write Sony off.
Regardless of the outcome of this case the PlayStation brand is in a ridiculously strong position right now. Sales numbers are crazy and brand recognition is increasing all the time.
CoD will be on PlayStation for at least 10 more years after this so the income from that franchise isn't going to vanish overnight. It's an unfathomably big IP, but even if it is pulled a decade from now it won't be the end of PlayStation.
The objective now will be to replace as much of the income CoD generates as possible through various other means.
It hasn't been proven yet if this deal is good or bad for the industry or for gamers, but you can bet Sony will up their game now.
As someone who doesn't play anything by ABK (bounced off of Diablo again), I'm pretty excited to see what Sony do after all of this to maintain their dominance.
That's if the deal goes through of course.
@UltimateOtaku91 oh man capcom would be a big get. As far as in games I like anyway 😂
I'm not sure they will just buy out a bigger company. Microsoft is hiking the prices. Just focus on the first party studios sony already has, making absolute awesome games. Microsoft has been sleeping this gen so far. They need to spend because who is their mascot anyway these days. Meanwhile spiderman 2 🤟
@Martsmall and soon games will made for Gamepass only as its the next logical move.
A dark day for video games.
Next Xbox will target the leaked list and buy another, and another until they dominate the market.
@Ravix hang on a minute paywall is so bad Sony does it with support,they also paywall Thier cloud games ,Sony raise prices its good ,in sure if they raise prices then I will judge whether it's worth it like every product ..you have a choice
I could easily install one of the Linux distros and have been doing for a hell.of alot of years, never brought office at all and if I installed win 11 right now od have a choice whether to get 365 or not
I guess Sony is focus to buy a publisher now after this.
@MaccaMUFC
Sony doesn't need to sign anything. Read the judge's statement: "Microsoft has committed in writing, in public, and in court to keep Call of Duty on PlayStation for 10 years on parity with Xbox".
@KaijuKaiser if that happens, then I will find a new hobby. Will never be held to ransom. Simple.
@Martsmall but the price of the pcs and laptops is directly affected by MS being in them, with no competition for manufacturers, is it not? They have to pay MS, as they are the one operating system, because they forced it to be that way.
I agree, Sony should be more competitive digitally, and we can all see why they are not, because of no competition for online marketplaces. This is a sign of the future, of MS has no competition for cloud/gamepass 'the future of gaming'
@MaccaMUFC they did swear under oath not to make call of duty exclusive. I don't think sony signs anything. I believe it is clear that call of duty never was planned to be exclusive, they want the 70% cut of all those playstation sales. I don't think Sony needs to worry about that. The biggest issue will be quality parity if Jim Ryan was honest when he said they will not give information about their next consoles for them to develop cod.
Sad day for gaming.
Not only will Bethesda RPG's be losing audience, so will CoD. The market will shrink to appease Microsoft appalling management. Absolutely terrible.
Only one game affects me, but i will have to look into stopping WoW too.
What absolute shambles of an industry where someone can come in with out of the market money and completely disrupt it. We go from bad to worse. Microsoft has been cancer in this industry bringing nothing in and just taking away from consumers.
For me, the worst is Phil lying to our faces saying these things are gonna reach more customers, which is an outright lie.
Never Phil. Never again will i give MS another cent after you screwed me with the 360. You can buy the whole market off and i will happily game on my old consoles. I renounce a market where you call the shots. My money will go elsewhere.
I’m glad USA corruption is on display for the rest of the world to see.
@KaijuKaiser Well I try not to think about them buying an Japanese developers especially not any time soon die to this deal and the scrutiny they faced, there has to be a point where these governing bodies say that's enough, now go see what you can do with your £70 billion purchases before saying you need even more to compete.
Seriously though I won't be forced into their ecosystem, I won't give money to a corporation using their unrivalled finances to put sony out of business. I can go without playing certain games and if they ever did run Sony out of business then I'd be a Nintendo only gamer.
@4kgk2 Of course it is, they are looking after their own.
@Magic_Knight
That's why the whole thing never made sense. Microsoft is just doing their usual thing of consolidating power until they can wield it however they like and squeeze out competition. Unfortunately, the CMA was the only regulator that saw past the empty ten-year deals, but it seems they are going to cave under pressure.
Glad it worked out that way. Industry needs a strong Xbox in it i think. If it was just Sony and Nintendo calling all the shots....don't get me wrong though, don't think it'd be great if it was just MS and Nintendo either
@Ravix no I've never purchased a ready to made pc ,and ppl aren't forced to do that ,any computer ship could build a better system for a better price , yet again choice
@WallyWest All these new ABK games will definitely be sold to gamepass users with "5 days early access". It's just a con to get more money from their gamepass subscribers as they know just being on gamepass isn't enough to make it sustainable. The bigger the game the bigger the loss for it being on a subscription service.
Wonder who is next for Microsoft if or when this officially goes through. Doubt they'll be able to buy anyone as big as ActivisionBlizzKing for another 5 or 7 years from now. It's 2028 breaking news Microsoft are attempting to buy EA, Ubisoft, Sega or Konami. There will also be quite a few smaller acquisitions along the way to help fill GamePass even more. A monopoly takes time and the more they buy over time the more evident that will become. Its evident to me already that those Xbox employees emails about putting PlayStation out of business are already becoming true, just not right now but it's very clear that this is still their aim with all their acquisitions recently over the last few years. Obviously no one can predict the future but if this carries on there will be a lack of good 3rd party games on a PlayStation console in the future. It's also evident and clear to me why 3rd party games like FF7, FF16 and Rise of the Ronin have become PlayStation exclusives and don't be surprised if PS attempt to get more 3rd party exclusives to try and counterreact in some way. Another counterreact would be Sony attempting to gobble up a chunky sized 3rd party company of their own, they have been saving for their own acquisition to happen but who that will be or how big of a company Sony will be able to afford is anyone's guess
@pharos_haven - Sony was in the fight to buy FOX with money that nobody knows where it would come from. Sony definitely has they ways to make big moves, the question is whether they really want it or not.
High possibility that Sony believes that things will not change that much, even with MS buying two of the biggest publishers of the industry.
@MaccaMUFC But Microsoft pledged they would regardless of a signed contract, so I expect Sony to call their bluff.
@Beerheadgamer82 theres no one as big as ABK, its literally 2x the value as the next biggest players. With all honesty, embracer is the best fit for xbox. A ton of teams and ip, that can just make a ton of content for gamepass even if it is all 70 and below titles
I think it is safe to say Microsoft has paid people off to make sure this goes through. And I've always felt Phil Spencer is scum of the earth and a liar.
As for Sony, I truly think they should acquire Square Enix, because I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft out of greed, spite and nastiness won't try to get them next. Now does SE have incentive to become exclusive to Xbox? Not at all, but I'd like to rule out the possibility completely.
@ED_209 people forget that companies can get loans for funding. sadly it could also leave the door for an amazon or someone to jump in with Sony in order for them to get the funds to grow bigger
@jmac1686 absolutely they would. They know that xbox is only like 1% of players for japan games and that would force players to pay xbox attention
ABK today, tomorrow, the world. Sad that we're going to a possible future where games could potentially be under monopoly regime.
with this, Sony is likely going to step up their acquisition games and the cycle never ends until only the indie devs are left.
@WallyWest her or the 40 countries that approved the deal with no restrictions?
@Martsmall "Tin foil hat"...says the troll who only ever pops up to fly the pro Microsoft Gamer Phil flag in every post judging from your post history!
You push the narrative of Sony buying developers & "blocking" games that Microsoft extensively pushed the narrative of as the poor uncompetitive 2.3 trillion indie company.😷😂
And yet as unearthed during trial, Phil Spencer "we're not about taking games away from other platforms",immediately went about & cancelled multiformat Zenimax Bethesda releases the moment the ink dried!
You somehow assert buying individual developers is worse than entire long established 3rd party AAA publishers & IP's going exclusive? Especially from a monopoly like they enjoy elsewhere? Probably missed you that Microsoft got fined for privacy breaches regarding children's Microsoft account by the FTC,(albeit pocket money fine for them). The same Microsoft that tries to strongarm you into a Microsoft account just to login to Windows or install it?
Microsoft projects exactly the narrative its been pushing. But keep cheering on the multi trillion monopoly thats phasing out buying MS Office, controls the Windows Market,Azure/Cloud, & A.I.,what could go wrong?!😂
@Somebody
I'm fairly sure Jim was referring to dev kits of next-gen consoles before launch. So when PS6 launches, it likely won't get a native version that year, and will run the PS5 version in a backwards compatible mode. However, once the consoles are on the market, they would likely allow them to obtain dev kits. After all, Bethesda teams currently have PS5 dev kits and likewise Bungie and PlayStation's San Diego Studio have Xbox dev kits. The question Sony needs to ask is is it worth having inferior versions of Activision's games for that period of time. It's a tough decision to make.
@Rmg0731 And why would Square Enix give up their entire Playstation playerbase for a smaller playerbase with Xbox? It makes zero sense to abandon Playstation players and the franchises that have become synonymous with the brand for Xbox.
@pharos_haven In May they raised their acquisition budget to 13 billion USD I believe.
Square-Enix is worth a little over 6billion.
There's also the option to invest in companies rather than buying them outright, which is something Sony has been doing a lot of in the last few years.
There are plenty of ways forward.
@Nem Good. Enjoy having a closed mind. I certainly will enjoy all of Bethesda's games and well as Activision. I will also enjoy playing PS and Nintendo exclusives. Sony's power needed to be checked and this is it. Remember, being a Sony fan is not a religion. Be a gamer fan.
@Martsmall are you aware of the general populace, and regular consumers that make up the billions of electronics purchases, right? You are in the absolute minority of people, so you can't just pass it off as "well, I do this so everyone can, so whatever"
But I get from this chat you can't see things from other people's perspectives.
I fully understand that is an option. It doesn't make it the absolute. The sheer percentage of people that buy personal electronics who want it to work 'out of the box' must be pushing 99% of the market.
@Rmg0731 aware there's not many expensive as Activision is, I meant as big of a company when it comes to IP. EA and Ubisoft won't be as expensive as ActiBlizzKing will be but they both have so many IP, same with Sega and Konami
@get2sammyb Beginning of what?
@Ashina only the Sony deals will keep the games on their platform and not come to Nintendo, Microsoft or cloud. Jim Ryan wouldn’t even tell the judge if he would have kept COD exclusive if Sony was buying ABK. I have no horse in this race. I own all 3 consoles and would buy a 4th console if they had great games. I follow the games. But Sony is over 70% market share leader in the high end console space and they sign deals to keep games to them. Which is fine, but then it’s not time to cry about deals MS makes to grow their market share and keep the games on all platforms and even bring it to new ones. Arguing that just makes it seem like players care more about companies than games.
This is a bad day for gaming. MS successfully convinced a judge that they are a trillion dollar victim. Now, the question is, what will MS buy next now that they have free reign? But, at least, now Sony can stop holding back and announce they are acquiring Square Enix (and maybe Capcom too).
@get2sammyb Yeah, this is not a good precedent to set at all.
@xDD90x that's what I was referring to, the decision to make ps6 games less optimized by withholding the new systems. It sounds like Jim Ryan already made that decision but who knows, he was blowing smoke throughout the whole block attempt.
@jmac1686 And yet, despite all Bethesda games selling better on PS4, they abandoned PS for Xbox.
@UltimateOtaku91 What makes you thing Microsoft is going to stop buying publishers.
The end is nigh! The world is doomed.
Although to me it feels that this was inevitable and good for competition. It’s good for everybody Sony gets a shakeup for once in more than a decade.
So for months, majority of people here have been condemning Microsofts buyout, now Sony have lost this part, you act like you wanted this happen...
@get2sammyb While what you said is true, it's also somewhat the responsibility of the site to be honest in what its content is about. "Push Square. Playstation news and reviews! Also Xbox sometimes, I guess, if it's topical and will get clicks. Maybe Nintendo too I dunno it's early."
Was it ever in doubt that money would trump consumer protections?
@Robocod first of all I'm troll ??? I don't defend all PT does at all and I look at it's business for all companies , and for the taking away games from Sony ,u do know they were trying to take it away from Xbox but that's ok it's business, and a whole lot of gamers will b playing acti/Xbox games so yes they have added more to a lot more players like Nintendo ...but I guess that doesn't count as adding players cause the took away games from Sony ? Which is what Sony does and it's business ,they are both into making money
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To be fair it’s about time they had something decent on gamepass
@Ravix I've never said ppl don't do that at all that is thier choice to make what other ppl do is THIER choice ,not mine to make
@KaijuKaiser Even Nintendo rely heavily on third party exclusives, especially from Square Enix, Capcom and Sega. So at some point Nintendo will be forced to defend their territory if they come sniffing for Japanese publishers. But I agree it seems Microsoft are allowed to just do what they want, say what they want and buy what they want without any competition, there's obviously money going around behind the scenes they've got the money and power to do so. The FTC didn't stand a chance but credit to them as they were doing their job correctly.
@HonestHick My god you are a broken record yes we know you have all 3 consoles and are "completely impartial" to a console though is shows otherwise.
@theSpectre exclusivity decisions probably come down more to the game style than specific sales figures.
It certainly makes more sense to make a single player game exclusive than an online game. I would guess whatever zenimax online has coming next is multiplat, the rumored quake might be multiplat again too. Elder scrolls 6 would sell really well on playstation but it makes more sense as an exclusive single player experience. Call of duty needs that massive player base just to function, the more players the better it will be for everyone. It also has countless battle passes and dlc to sell as well.
I am genuinely confused by Sony's decision to get exclusivity for live service games that already have a low survival rate with multiplat.
Also to everyone that says they have all console and don’t have a horse in the race. You still have a favourite one that you game on most. I have both ps5 and a series s but never touch the series s because I prefer the ps. Just sick of people being fanboys but claiming they aren’t because they have all consoles
@pharos_haven Because there's only so much they can buy without it becoming market consolidation. They were under heavy scrutiny over this deal and they have already been found out to be liars over the Bethesda deal.
@cburg You can still be a gamer fan and not like what another system offers. Owning all systems doesn't magically make you part of some hierarchy that you don't prefer one system over another.
If I were Microsoft, as soon as Sony's CoD marketing deal with Activision ends, I would go all out promoting Xbox and Game Pass as the new home of CoD in an attempt to lure PS players over to Xbox with the goal to get most players to switch platforms by the launch of next-gen. Then as soon as this has been achieved and the 10 year commitment has ended, I would pull CoD from PlayStation. As for the other IP, such as Crash, Diablo, Overwatch, Tony Hawk, etc., those titles would be Xbox exclusive from the start, just like we've already seen with Bethesda titles and Hellblade from Ninja Theory. I mean, this has to be their strategy, right?
@KaijuKaiser that’s my worry. Ms don’t care about us gamers all they care about is money. They will keep buying up the industry until Sony decide it’s not worth competing. Then it will just be ms and Nintendo. then ms will just release the same crap every year at a higher price. And everybody who says this is a good thing will have to accept it. It’s in ms dna.
@xDD90x trust me ms will do this
@UltimateOtaku91 I still don't think that will stop them, it took between 2 years to buy 2 large publishers. I say give it another 2 and will be all here again arguing about it once again using daddies money to buy something because they are still in '3rd place"
@jmac1686 not saying i want that. Quite the opposite, but if xbox says we will pay 2-3x the value as they have never made any profit on xbox. More just a fear
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@HonestHick Let's not pretend that neither MS nor Nintendo does the same practice. Sony is being painted evil for this because as you said, they share the majority of the console market but all parties have done exclusivity deals several times.
Good on you if you own all 3 (not that I was asking) but my point is that both Sony and MS could end up owning all major companies in the future, locking all games in their own ecosystem and that's a future I'm not looking forward to.
I've already stated this in several articles in this site but I don't want for Sony to buy out Square Enix like many are suggesting since that will end any games coming out to Nintendo consoles. You can say the same for MS, while I don't care for anything ABK (nothing in their game libraries particularly interest me), I'm sure a lot of PS owners are dreading the news now. I get that MS is trying to grow their own market, good on them but what's stopping them from buying another major game company just so they could "grow" their share again? What's stopping them from taking away another franchise from their competitors?
You can celebrate this if you want but I doubt you'll be celebrating the moment MS or Sony owns all major franchises. Oh, right, you own all three consoles and have no horse in this race so I guess this won't bother you.
@Ashina Indy Devs are making the most interesting games anyway, so long may they prosper
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@IAmAshCohen17
Why does this ever need to be done? Let the rich corpos fight with each other until they are all bankrupt...lol...
Xbox making huge moves the last few years which makes for an improved showcase for them this year with their billions on acquisitions spent. Meanwhile the recent overdue PS showcase was massively disappointing and can't afford anyone like Bethesda and ActiBlizzKing. Yet the latest PS console is almost back to every 2 PS consoles sold Xbox sells 1 or most likely 3 to 2 or something like that just like it was between PS4 and One and of course the Switch continues to do huge numbers almost everywhere. Xbox clearly playing the very long game right now and it might just pay off next gen to become genuine market leaders and not just for a brief moment either, I mean longtime market leaders after spending their ways to the top by leaving the crappy 3rd party scraps for everyone else. Many of the best current 3rd party games might only be available on Xbox in the future, oh you only game on PS well tough, you'll have to get an Xbox if you want the best games because we bought them all. It's a genuine possibility
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Can't wait to see what Microsoft can buy next!
At this point SEGA is too small, they need to think bigger!
Maybe Tencent?
@4kgk2 Nice ignorance
My biggest hope at this point in this deal is if it closes that the Playstation and Nintendo communities stay on those consoles and Xbox doesn't grow at all. Then you have MS struggling to maintain all those studios and not getting the return they were expecting and eventually this all backfires on them in the end, lol. Because the only way this deal becomes profitable is if they start pulling people to Game Pass from Playstation and Nintendo. I for one would rather not play at all than to support a greedy company like MS.
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@Ken_Kaniff that would be hilarious if that happened
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@Ashina “What's stopping them from taking away another franchise from their competitors?” May i ask you to show me a statement of what games from ABK Sony has lost? Until they day comes that isn’t a factual statement, hence those questions were asked in the court of law. Jim Ryan was asked if Sony bought ABK would COD be PS exclusive and he refused to answer the judges question. While I appreciated him for not lying and just saying no. It shows the ruthlessness Sony would and does use to be a market leader and your darned right i want Nintendo and Microsoft to use some of that same fight to strengthen their brand. I mean again i follow the games if Sony and Microsoft own all the games then i continue to buy into their ecosystems to support a hobby that is fun to me. That simple. I don’t care who has the games as long as they are there to be enjoyed.
In my opinion the most important tidbit from the judges formal decision.
"Sony opposes the merger; its opposition is understandable. Before the merger Sony paid for exclusive marketing rights but restricted xbox's ability to do the same. After the merger, the combined firm presumably will not agree to such restrictions. Before the merger, a consumer had to buy a playstation or an xbox. After the merger, consumers can utilize the cloud to play on the device of choice, including, it is intended the nintendo switch. Perhaps bad for Sony but good for call of duty gamers and future gamers."
To paraphrase
The deal only hurts the market leader and no one else(actually helps a lot of independent competitors). A block would only help the market leader and no one else.
Just a reminder to keep the discussions here civil, no need to flame each other
https://www.pushsquare.com/rules
@ED_209 I hope not. After that first showcase I have no faith in their live services. That Horizon one sounds like it could be good, but time will tell. The ones they showed during that presentation were all subpar to borderline “kill it before it comes out”. Even Marathon isn’t looking great given how bad Bungies infrastructure has been.
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@Somebody Jim Ryan himself testified (via prerecorded deposition) that he didn’t think it was for bad for competition at all. It hurts Sony, that’s it.
@get2sammyb
"It doesn't seem like they have any authority or even willpower to prevent these giant trillion dollar megacorps from becoming even bigger, so what's the point?"
Regulators don't exist to prevent companies from becoming larger, at least not in the US. They exists to protect consumers.
A lot of the defenses from MS in this case has been about its "verticality", it increases the size of MS but it does not in a field where they already have a drastic lead, desktop operating systems, for example.
I could never see MS being allowed to acquire Apple, for example. Nor ATT acquiring Verizon. I also see it very unlikely that MS would be allowed to acquire another platform holder (Nintendo or Sony) as all those things lessen competition.
While I think it's the wrong decision that they won and no will doubt create monopoly within the already expensive world of gaming. I kind of hoping it will give sony the kick they need and start to bring back great games, socom, resistance, killzone. Also sony will need to create and make bonds with third party developers even more now.
@Sekijo the acquired studios usually have their best talent leave.
@TheCollector316 I'm not looking to brag, so hopefully this does not come across that way, but I think we had an exchange a bit ago and I did tell you this was going to happen.
@Martsmall haven't paid attention enough to care tbh.
It seems incredibly short-sighted for a court to be like, "Welp, they said they'd share COD for ten years . . ."
Everybody knows the winds can change quickly from one generation to the next.
@HonestHick It's fair that you can establish a pattern of behavior. Starfield was supposed to be on PS5. Microsoft bought Zenimax and now Starfield is exclusive to Xbox.
After the 10-year obligation is up, Microsoft will be incentivized to do whatever it wants with COD, whatever that may be, like for example if they want to take a hostile posture toward the industry, and smoother their rivals despite losing sales by removing COD from other platforms.
That's kind of been their MO.
@Somebody
“ Before the merger, a consumer had to buy a playstation or an xbox. After the merger, consumers can utilize the cloud to play on the device of choice, ”
In other words, we concede that cloud is going to be increasingly dominant but conveniently do not factor in MS’s dominant position in this sector into our decision.
Don't care about Activision games but think this will lead to the game industry becoming like the movie industry where everything is owned by 4-5 major players
@UltimateOtaku91
"This is good news as now that money won't go towards buying developers/publishers that make games I actually care about."
For better or worse (depending what side of the fence someone reading this sits on) MS still has plenty of money to buy most other publishers. I think only the likes of EA and 2K are off-limit due to their size, but am certain most publishers anyone here cares about are within their reach, so long they are willing to sell.
If you like the deal, great. But if that's the reason you like the deal going through, you might be disappointed next year when they announce they are buying X or Y.
@thefourfoldroot1 I don't agree that this is a concession that cloud will be increasingly dominant or that MS is particularly dominant in that segment.
It is simply saying that instead of 2 options on where to play this game you will now have many options.
@MaccaMUFC "Sony should maybe think about signing that 10 year deal with Microsoft now, otherwise MS won’t be obligated to keep CoD on PlayStation for the next 10 years…"
Upper MS management basically stated that ABK needs to start making money day one. This means they can't make practically anything exclusive. Maybe Phill would had considered making CoD exclusive and take losses, but Natia and the board were clear that is not a risk they can take. Once this goes through, immediate revenue increase is expected.
CoD is not gong to leave PlayStation. It makes too much money there.
This deal is just as good as the deal with Ticketmaster we all know it's going to destroy the competition by outspending it.
@Dragonsbane If they don't give that deal I think the deal won't even go through.
@Sekijo Shhh you know it's true and calling people names won't change the truth.
@Snake_V5 Microsoft buying up the industry this will be the Ticketmaster of the gaming industry.
@Somebody
It is a tacit admission that cloud is significant and will become more so (which is obvious and MS have said this in the past); and it is an inarguable fact that MS are dominant in data centre facility through their azure servers, which Sony even have to use (while MS let them). Unless one of only a couple of other players come into the industry in future, MS are dominant. These aren’t opinions. They just decided that it wasn’t important somehow 🤷♂️
@TrickyDicky99 How will you make money with two games costing half a billion without microtransactions and extra income.
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@Dusk_Actual lmao you just cutting to the chase I see
@thefourfoldroot1 it is simply saying the decision allows more than the current 2 options to play a game. It implies nothing about the future dominance of any of those options.
@kcarnes9051 Starifield was suppose to be on PS5 and Xbox. But Sony tried to buy timed deal on it, so MS one upped them and bought the whole studio. Not sure either side was fair to each other in that one. I can’t and refuse to worry about 10 years in tech. That is like 40 years of normal life. Tech moves so fast. We could all be downloading games to our TV’s, consoles could still be around or not, like it’s to hard to know what will be happening in the industry. Or if COD will even be the biggest selling game. Just glad the deal is over and now we can all get back to focusing on the games. 2023 has been a great year so far and we still have many games left to release. 2024 is shaping up to be massive as well. It will be nice to come to gaming sites and talk games and not the ABK deal.
@HonestHick that was just an excuse that MS used...
@LazyLombax what's happening in November?
@Therabidraccoon considering how much those games sold, I doubt they will.
@Beerheadgamer82 thankfully they won't be able to buy God of War, Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of Us, Uncharted, etc, so I think some of the best games will still be available on Sony consoles (and PC) no matter what company MS buy next.
Good for the industry my ass!
@naruball excused or tired of losing out to, however it worked for them i suppose. As for god of war and all those games you mentioned, those games are not the cash cow Sony wants. Court showed it cost $200 plus million dollars to make Horizon forbidden west without marketing and shipping the game cost included. Let’s just say all the copies they sold was full price and not bundled or a sale. That is less than 80 million in profit. Still decent sure. But COD makes Sony 800 million a year. Shooters, online games, live service games make so much more money and that is way Sony is going after them with PS5 and as much as i like their single player games. Those are 30 hour games and then done. I would love some online games on my PS5 i can play longer and invest more into over the life cycle of the game. I think this direction will help Sony fair more than producing single player games nearing $250 million in dev cost alone. It leaves little profit and if the game tanks that would hurt them bad. So we will be seeing the same proven franchises over and over in the single player space. I think Sony has a good plan and i will continue to support them and Xbox for years to come, ABK aside. 😊
@HonestHick there’s a whole lot more at play there than just Starfield. Let’s be honest. And the difference between buying a whole studio and all the related properties verses timed exclusivity is a massive chasm. Timed exclusivity deals are sustainable. A trend of consolidation of the industry on this scaled when paired with the ABK is not.
Refusing to to take into account 10 years from now is seriously mindbogglingly short sighted. “La La La la.” That’s what you’re doing with your fingers in your ears. Cool position to hold.
Your point about downloading everything to our TV as opposed to console is exactly the crux of the issue. If everything is GamePass and streaming directly to screens then Microsoft controls everything, and you have to go to game pass to get it because all of the IP has been bought up.
You don’t see the movie/tv streaming companies sharing properties all that often, do you?
That’s what Microsoft wants—to be the Netflix of gaming with loftier goals. And when they have the option to pull all their IP from other platforms because they see it as an advantage to dominate the industry then they will.
@HonestHick Agreed it worked out for them. As for God of War etc, I was responding to a comment about players needing to buy an xbox in the future to play all the good games. I was just saying that as a gamer I'm happy that Sony makes some of the best games around. But you're right, definitely not the most profitable.
@kcarnes9051 you make some good points, i don’t disagree completely. I did just see the TV industry merger a lot and Disney buy up everything tho. No FTC case on that. So is it against the law for MS to aim to be a Netflix? It might upset some on this forum. I may or may not agree with it completely, but they are entitled to invest loads of their money into the games market, it ain’t stopping me or you anytime soon from stop playing great games on PS or Nintendo. If Nintendo does that well without much 3rd party. Sony will be more than fine if for some reason MS pulls COD, which they won’t, it makes too much money on all 3.
@naruball i ain’t selling off my PS5. I love me some Last of us and God of War. I just know i ain’t giving much money to them on that purchase. I do have SF6 on PS5 and play to buy all the DLC. So that game will have legs and make good money. Fact remains Xbox is here to stay and will be a competitive platform with GP and heavy exclusives. It’s a win win for the industry and gamers. Sony and MS will be competing for our time and money and i love it. Neither one can get lazy. 😊
The FTC's arguments were shambolic. They didn't even do a basic amount of research on the industry and just picked a bunch of irrelevent console war talking points.
😂😂😂😂😂 just get a Xbox
@HonestHick Microsoft has already proven that they’re willing to operate at a lose with GamePass in an attempt to dominate the market. They’re achieving that in the streaming-as-a service sphere. Which is the goal. If they’re willing to operate at a loss with GamePass, there’s no reason to assume they wouldn’t be willing to do the same with COD to cut out the rest of the market when the opportunity is ripe.
Using the “but they got away with it and thus so should someone else” is a bad faith argument. If you had greater awareness you’d know concerns have been made over Disney’s acquisitions. Just because the FTC didn’t cause a stink about it doesn’t mean there isn’t an argument there for concerns.
And let’s be real. Disney’s buyout of LucasFilm was in the neighborhood of 6 billion, and 4 billion for Marvel. Microsoft’s buyout of ABK? 68 billion.
Not even in the same conversation really in terms of scale.
The Disney / Fox merger was the big one, and it did indeed attract regulatory attention, and Fox had to shed certain sports assists. Was it enough? Debatable. But don’t act like these things aren’t being looked at.
@Splat Given the overall purchase was 69 billion lol, probably about the price of a cheeseburger for Microsoft haha
CMA agreement is in place apparently. "Microsoft and CMA have agreed on a small divestiture to address the regulators concerns. Any divestiture would be related to cloud gaming in the UK." CNBC David Faber
@LazyLombax haha. I know, I know. I was just kidding, being European and all.
@Jamesblob couldn't agree more with the last point. I laugh every time I read it. Same with "There's no such thing as bad publicity". So incredibly naive.
@theSpectre ZeniMax was for sale as they were struggling to make a profit. Same thing goes for Obsidian Entertainment. Activision needed a distraction from all it's internal *****. I can't see any profitable publishers losing out on the huge market share of PS for instant cash from MS. But maybe I don't know enough
Guys...just go PC. Dont worry about these things. In the end all the big corps will buyout the smaller things because ppl have the illusion that these companies care.
They want money and I am sure Jim and Phil hammered a deal out that we dont get to see and all this was theatrical.
Well there goes the video game industry. Lets Microsoft just buy all the companies. People here think this is a good thing just dont follow history. So every one that thinks this is a great deal then please sell your PS5 and run with open hands to Microsoft . If i was Sony i would either buy up any companies they can and keep them only on Sony's system or just dont bother with PS6 and just call it quits cause its clear the Microsoft can just go buy up every 3rd party company and take their games off Sony and you clowns jump for joy over it.
@SlipperyFish When these companies are acquired they cede control of their operations to the parent company. That happened with Zenimax as we saw from, Spencer's email, that all future Zenimax titles will be exclusive and Zenimax was blindsided by that. MS may have commitments for 10 years for Call of Duty, but it doesn't have them for other Activision titles and I think it's very naive to believe MS isn't playing the exclusive game here.
@Snick27 This is the grim reality we're facing now. I hope Sony snatches up some publishers because if they don't MS will definitely make plays for Ubisoft, EA, Take-Two, Square Enix, Sega, Capcom, and more.
@Somebody Well, Spencer already stated in an email in 2021 that all future Zenimax games will be exclusive so I think that argument is moot. Not to mention, look at Final Fantasy XIV. That game is doing just fine as a PS console exclusive (which is MS own fault).
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When Microsoft is the only guy left in this battle and own everything thing game related and they decide to charge $100 per game and everything is digital and you really dont own anything and gamepass will be $30 a month and not including the new games cause hey they can do that. You will own nothing and love it.
Yawn. So bored of this crap.
@kcarnes9051 not here to say the fox merger wasn’t looked at but it didn’t spend weeks in court was my take. Not to mention the FTC was trying to protect Sony, the market leader on a game they are not losing. That never felt right and there’s a reason for that. The courts deemed it no evidence. Even the CMA whom took Sony’s feelings into consideration said they approve the deal on the console side but not the cloud. the FTC case showed cloud to be a non factor, so the CMA will be bending the knee as people call it very soon. As for GP at a loss, all new streaming services start at a lose. Some like Apple Music aim to break even as it keeps people in the ecosystem. Netflix wasn’t a profitable monster in the beginning until they started to buy and own exclusive content in the service. This is MS’s play with ABK and others, owning the content in the long run will make the service more and more profitable or break even territory. But will lead in engagement hours and customers in the ecosystem. Then this helps MS with the PC side with Blizzard but the biggest play of all is having king so they can break into mobile. Once they get that storefront up and live that will make more money than any console title. Mobile is a profit machine if you have the right games and owning candy crush is about as good of a start as one can hope for. This is a strong move to strength the 3 key area’s they want to engage players in. Nothing with that to me seem’s bad for anyone and even Jim Ryan didn’t have much of a argument against it when he had the chance to speak and not show up in court. A move i seen as we don’t want no more of our business practices in the open and kind of gave up. Something i was a little surprised at in the end.
@Snick27 Nintendo is never leaving the battle. They own Japan and print money. MS will be in last place in console sales, but move into number one in money earned. Thats a victory they or any one could live with. But the big 3 are here to stay. 😊
@theSpectre zenimax games and final fantasy make sense as exclusives since they are mostly single player isolated experiences. I imagine the next mmo from zenimax online is on as many platforms as possible.
Call of duty and overwatch do not make sense as exclusives.
But people on here spent the last 6 months telling me how it wasn't going to go through. Oops.
FTC is a joke now under Lina Khan. Can't believe more people couldn't see that. UK is a just a US puppet as well at this point.
@Powerplay94 no chance will Microsoft ever get sega. will eat my shoes if it happens.
@Snick27 Nobody gave a ***** back then because gaming was nowhere near as mainstream and as money-spinning as it is now. Things have changed.
@theSpectre I've already said i'll eat my shoes if i'm wrong, but Microsoft will never own any of the major Japanese publishers, it just won't happen. The day it does is the universe folds in on itself and returns to the tiny pinprick it came from
Regardless of what people think about Microsoft buying ABK. If someone can tell me with straight face that FTC should got PI after their embarrassing performance during trial, then they should probably listen to the whole trial again.
If judge needs to alert FTC lawyers that she is not there to protect Sony but consumers because they were constantly blabbing about how this deal will hurt Sony, then there is no help for those people.
@Powerplay94
Haha dream on. Sega doesn't want to be taken over at all. And certainly not by MS Sony or Nintendo.
@theSpectre I wasn't on about exclusives here, rather than all the people saying who they'll buy next, without much regard to wether those publishers/developers actually put themselves up for sale or not. The same goes for those arguing Sony will by Square Enix, Capcom, etc. And I wouldn't be happy if Sony did, I'm fully against the Bethesda and Activision acquisitions, why would I be ok with Sony doing it? Developer acquisitions like Obsidian make perfect sense, even though it's probably the biggest loss to me, I can't really argue against it at all.
I wouldn't be surprised if major Sony meetings are being called for as I type this.
In the short - term, nothing much will change but the precedent has been set. Microsoft is going to try buy Sony out of the gaming market and with how deep their pockets are, I am waiting for the inevitable acquisition of SEGA or something similar.
An American court in favor of an American company that also likes to pay people to vote in their favor. Didn't see that coming at all.
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@cburg No dude. I don't need an open mind to be taken advantage of.
I've done this dance before. Perhaps you are too young to have lived through it.
Microsoft will 100% screw you over. Maybe later when that becomes obvious even for you, you will remember the "close minded" guy that told you this would happen.
The main difference being i care and you don't. This will in no way lead to better things and both Bethesda and ABK will be run to the ground in the next 10 years
@HonestHick "It’s a win win for the industry and gamers."
Gonna have to disagree on this part. As a gamer, I now know that I'll have access to fewer games than I used to. Even if Sony buys a studio or a publisher, I won't have access to more games (just made exclusive which makes no difference to me), so I don't see it as a win. And I don't feel like owning more than one console, so... Anyway. We'll see.
@SlipperyFish I'm completely against all of these publisher acquisitions as well (I don't mind developer acquisitions). What I'm saying is that MS opened the floodgates and started this. Now Sony will have to respond in a big way to stop MS from getting everything. They need to make a play for a publisher (or multiple) like Square Enix, Capcom, EA, Take-Two, or CDPR.
@__Seraph It'll definitely be harder for them, but money talks. The problem with a Japanese publisher for Xbox is that Xbox is virtually non-existent in Japan so there is very little incentive for a Japanese company to be acquired by MS.
@naruball many gamers on GeForce now and Nintendo Switch are happy to be getting ABK games they otherwise wouldn’t be. Thats the one area that stinks for gamers right now, if they only want to own one console it’s becoming a real issue deciding which games they want to play or leave behind. Sony still has lot’s of great first party. But if they go down a live service hole and it’s not what certain gamers want and Xbox is throwing out RPG’s and single player content. That could be an issue. I am happy for ABK employees to be under MS HR and benefits over the way they were treated by Bobby. Again i really believe this is good for gamers more than bad. Especially if we start to see teams pulled away from yearly COD and going back to working on their passion projects. I really hope that happens as was mentioned. But i understand your concerns 😊
@Nem No use arguing with irrational people.
@theSpectre I don't think Sony has to react at all by acquisitions. That's even if any publisher wants to be acquired by Sony at all. Sony shouldn't retaliate. If they simply focus on delivering amazing 1st party titles, they won't be going anyway. Any further acquisitions from MS will be under heavy scrutiny
@get2sammyb
If Sony have hard times in the long run; there won't be a lot to get excited from blockbuster front for me. So I am afraid of Micky being succesfull in terms of these acquisitions and cornering Sony to only focus on online stuff and then to feed Gamepass Micky focusing on AA instead of more big budget titles.
@Shepherd_Tallon
Yeah, you are not half wrong. There is always a possibility Micky ***** this up just like all the other studios they bought.
@Scottyy We're a long long long way away from that, fortunately.
@Trollmaster what are you talking about?
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