There've been a lot of rumours flying around for what feels like a long time concerning some unconfirmed-but-likely Sony stuff, and Jeff Grubb has just provided the latest word. Discussing PS5 Pro on his Game Mess Mornings show, the reliable Giant Bomb cohort has said the upgraded console is still heading our way before the year is out, and not only that, but we may get a State of Play in a matter of weeks.
You can hear what he has to say on these subjects in the video above. Responding to the story that PS5 Pro was an "open secret" among devs at Gamescom, Grubb claims it's still aiming for 2024. "Last I heard, [PS5 Pro] is still coming out this year," he says.
He quickly bounces off of that assertion, bringing up that he's heard "more recently" about a State of Play — "not a Showcase, a State of Play" — which will go live "by the end of September". He says he doesn't know whether PS5 Pro will feature in the State of Play, but, as he puts it, "Where else would it be?"
The PS5 Pro hasn't been officially acknowledged at all yet, but rumours and leaks about the enhanced machine have been circulating for quite a while. On top of that, word about some sort of PlayStation presentation has been building momentum, pretty much since the last State of Play back in May. Grubb is a well-connected and reliable source, so given that and all the smoke surrounding these two things, we're fairly confident he's right on both counts.
Still, it is just his word we're going on. For what it's worth, we've not heard anything ourselves on either of these topics, but they do line up rather nicely, so we'll see how it all shakes out.
Are you excited to learn more about PS5 Pro and the next State of Play? Tell us in the comments section below.
[source youtu.be, via resetera.com]
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The definitive way to enjoy Concord
An Absolute State of Play over PS Showcase....
Cant wait to be disappointed with the next state of play
The only time of the year when some real announcement could happen is in December, so let's see, with its 10 year anniversay too and all, how big this year's Game Awards will be...
I got dissapointed by Sony for 3 or 4 years in a row now. BUT there actually has to be the point they will eventually deliver. So.
Can you even imagine how it has to feel when all those unannounced exclusives eventually will be revealed..
Can't wait for a State of Play focused on the most unnecessary mid-gen console upgrade yet, instead of new games.
PS5 has pushed me to PC. Never thought I'd say that. It's not even been turned on in weeks, since psvr2 adapter arrived.
Would be very surprising if a State of Play rather than a showcase, surely they'd want the console to be announced alongside strong 1st party software lineup. State of Play gives the impression they're repeating May where Fairgame$ takes the role of Concord.
State Of Play not a showcase they could not be more out of touch if they tried. God I'm ride or die for Playstation but jesus this generation has been an embarrassment worst PS generation yet
I don't have any good reason to buy a PS5 pro.
@Grumblevolcano Yeah show Wolverine running on the Pro as the big reveal is surely a no brainer right?
Buying a PS4 Pro last gen was a huge mistake. I barely could tell the difference from my base model, and it gave me a bunch of issues. I will never buy this PS5 Pro.
...and with the gigantic shift with communication from Sony from the PS4 to the PS5 I won't even buy a PS6 till 3 to 4 years after launch. Everything will be cross gen anyways so what's the point in getting these consoles day one anymore. 🤷♂️
A Pro when the base console has barely been tested is a joke. An absolute joke. F**k off.
No Showcase this year is an absolute disaster, press S to spit on Jim Ryan's grave
@Grumblevolcano Since this is a mid gen refresh it’s a much tougher sell than the PS5. I can’t think anyone at Sony would think it’s a good idea to show it off with no big games. I agree with you.
If we get an State of Play instead of a Showcase this year my disappointment will be unmeasurable…
I’m just speculating but for me that’d mean the games we are all waiting for (Ghost of Tsushima 2, Naughty Dog’s or Santa Monica’s next game) are much further out and not coming in 2025.
@Slippship Modern gaming in general has pushed a lot of shall i say "mature gamers" back into retro gaming just for the simplicity, diversity of games and free from the scourge of constant monetization and greed of the industry.
Just let me preorder now.
Maybe we should slowly say goodbye to the idea that Sony only uses a showcase to announce big first party titles.
There is no reason why a Ghost of Tsushima 2 or the new IP from Santa Monica Studios cannot be announced on an SoP.
Otherwise I think Sony still only needs GTA VI to make the PS5 Pro worth it.
I have a weird feeling with this. Feels like they’re getting outlets to leak this to test the waters and then if enough people are against it, the leaks will magically move to ‘Sony have actually been working on a PS6 this whole time and will put proposed PS5 Pro tech into it’ and it won’t come out for another 2-3 years. If the idea of a PS5 Pro sounds positive to enough of the community for their liking then they’ll green light it.
I just don’t understand how this has been leaked for nearly a year now with no word from Sony at all.
@nessisonett if we're getting more and more games dropping far below 60. It's been more than tested.
People won't care if it's a State of Play or a showcase as long as the content is good.
But if Sony decide not to show a more extensive roadmap then we need to accept at this point that Sony are doing things differently this gen in terms what games there willing to show.
First half of this year they were focusing on Rise of the Ronin, Helldivers 2, Stellar Blade and Final fantasy 7 rebirth. The second...Concord, Astro Bot, Until Dawn and Lego Horizon. In other words, games that are just a few months out.
Sorry, but putting "Jeff Grubb" and "reliable" in the same sentence made it immediately impossible to take this article seriously.
@Jrs1 I have a PS5 since the official launch. It is a good console but I have been playing my PS3 again. Currently replaying MGS4. What a game!
Oh This old chestnut
I feel like the PS5 Pro is almost certainly happening this year, w/ some wiggle room on the name, maybe PS5+ 😝 but haven't seen much discussion on the price. PS5 is currently going for $500 and $450 (US) so are they going to release a Pro at $600, or is it going to be digital only and $550?
Either way seems like a big ask w/ the upcoming PS5 games line up. A launch alongside Wolverine makes sense, but that could till be 18 months or longer off at this point. I don't get it.
Will be interesting to see how they try to justify a pro version of the PS5. I'd prefer to see some games tbh.
@Jrs1 yup 51, had enough of a lot of rubbish released now. I stick with Elite Dangerous, racing games and older adventures.
Sonys way of communicating is annoying as f…
Just announce some games already
@DennisReynolds You would think but that Venom spin off is supposed to come out first in 2025 with Wolverine in 2026. With Insomniac waiting until just 3 months before Spider-Man 2's release date to finally show off gameplay I doubt we see Wolverine any time soon
I keep seeing people use Grubb but detective seeds has had this info for like 2 weeks by now
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@PloverNutter We were also meant to get a year of free Spider-Man 2 DLC this year and that never happened so who knows what's going on with them.
This is all a preview of PlayStation without Xbox competition. A terrible, terrible preview.
Last gen I bought both the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X, mainly due to getting a 4K TV and wanting devices to take advantage of it. Also with the PS4 Pro, allegedly it provided the better experience for PSVR.
This gen, I'm perfectly content with my PS5 and Series X as far as visual fidelity goes. The temptation will be there for sure, however I can't justify $600 - $700 US, especially in Canada where that's more like $800 - $940 in Snow Pesos...
@DennisReynolds Maybe after the leaks Insomniac pulled what my parents did with Christmas/birthday presents. "If you sneak a look at your presents early you get nothing for Christmas/birthday"
Maybe we'll finally get some good exclusives when it's out.
Awesome. I feel like we could really do with an upgraded console considering this gen is one where image quality is getting worse and worse for a lot of the big titles - UE5 ones in particular are struggling. If the focus is improving IQ through AI upscaling and improving ray tracing performance then it sounds like it's a winner.
As for the State of Play, there's got to be a few exclusive announcements, right? The first party studios are firing on all cylinders yet we've heard so very little
I think we'll get one the week before the Tokyo game show. They need to start showing what's in development.
A state of Play for the PS5 PRO make sense but for any big first party games they will be revealed at a proper showcase maybe later on in the year.
But of course people will still have high expectations for a SoP and over exaggerate.
@ColdHandGee I hear ya! I played it to death back in the day and recently picked up a copy 👍. Also I can see the next SOP being an absolute belter, law of averages n all that🤣
@sop their job here is to demonstrate why ANYONE needs one lol.
Let’s see how it goes.
But at this rate with games releases and the let downs.
Switch might be my most played console of 2024.
I know so far 2024 gaming hours across all three consoles will be lowest since they all started reporting it.
TFW you figure out the PS5 was just a Kickstarter prototype for backers while they design the real PS5. Real price of a real PS5 for early adopters? $1100+.
I'm the camp of, hang on, forget about pushing a new expensive console that provides an incremental upgrade, where are the new bleedin' games? Show me the games!
Seriously just announce that you have created better tools and are working closer with developers to get games out faster. We don't need a hardware refresh this generation, we need more games that aren't just upgraded ports. Games look good enough.
Sony you can keep your Ps5 pro, the only game that was worth it to me was Demon's Souls Remake. This gen has been a big let down.
I was getting worried that without the PS5 Pro, I wouldn’t be playing Lego Horizons at native 4K 60fps 🤣
@OldGamer999 If the rumors on no CPU upgrade are true, you still won't.
I hope it's true. I want a PS5 Pro immediately if not sooner.
Awesome, got funds set aside already! Hope it lives up to the rumors!
So a awful showcase in 2023 that was wisely agreed to be poor, slowing sales of ps5 and poor software sales of concord and slumping market with many companies downsizing and Sony's answer is to do a state of play to build hype? Sony should be building hype not throwing a bucket of cold water on a struggling firepit
I will buy a PS5 Pro because my PS5 is 4 years old soon and buying a console once every 4 years is not a problem. I'm an avid gamer, this is a hobby I've spent 45 years enjoying, and the value for money buying consoles is never an issue for me because I've avoided Xbox since the Xbox One.
@riceNpea ditto but you raise me 5 years lol
As my ps4 has started ejecting discs randomly I’m all eyes for a pro.
So, a State of Play not a Showcase. I guess Sony just isn't doing Showcases anymore?
@Mikey856 that's when I started gaming, I'm older than that 😪
If it comes with the rumored native back compat for the entire playstation library, it's a day one purchase for me.
@Xbox_Dashboard when did that rumour start? Not heard that, not that it makes a difference for me.
Haven't booted up in months, why would I invest in something that has no decent upcoming games? Makes no sense.
@riceNpea The old one can be sent to the bedroom, that's what I'm doing with the old one when I get a Pro.
@XenonKnight my one has an annoying habit of dropping internet connection. Has done since day one. I think the first batch had a fault. That's why I've got a Portal now. It's ***** playing Monster Hunter Rise when I lose connection.
@EquiinoxGII you don't have to, it's not compulsory.
"Where else would it be?"
TGS 2024 maybe? Which starts exactly 1 month from now.
Since Sony plans to be there this year with a big arse booth - after 5 years of absence - seems strange that they would also plan a State of Play close to that date...
Anyway, we'll find out soon enough.
@NEStalgia
The CPU thing is a bit of a concern.
But then again the multi cores in the existing consoles are hardly used.
@OldGamer999 That's the thing, even with PC gaming. Computing has gone very multithreaded, but gaming has failed to evolve that way, with most engines hammering single cores most of the time. There's a bunch of 12+ core CPUs out there, but the best gaming CPUs are like 6 or 8 cores max, and less wouldn't even affect it much. Single thread performance still wins the day with gaming (which is why PS5 outperforms XSX so often XSX bet on development moving multithreaded more than it has.)
If the Pro doesn't have much of a CPU boost....it's a PS5.3 more than a 5.5. Seems like it's literally just a PS5 with a new GPU. More focused on higher native res than higher framerate, thus more GPU grunt without matching CPU grunt. Probably still won't match 4080's or 4090's but a worse CPU than your average 4070 rig.
Will be intersting to see the DF takes on it, because it sounds like a real mixed bag of a machine. Great box to play Concord on though.
My finger is over the pre-order button!
Send me link Sony
I can see going from one PRO to another PRO as I have yet to upgrade. My old PRO needs semi retirement along with my PS3, and 2025 brings games I want that are only current gen.
My hopes for a PS5 PRO: a stunningly beautifull generic all black rectangular box, 2TB SSD, and no more than 600 bucks.
@NoCode23 Do you think maybe we could get support for gen 5 m.2?
@NEStalgia
Well Sony needs to do something interesting soon, Astro Bot will hopefully be great, but that’s a little sip from the cup of what was produced on the PS4 from Sony Studios.
Some of their Studios have obviously been work on games but with no reveals yet, ND 4 years in and not a flash, just one for example.
The fact they are down about 5 million PS5 compared to PS4 in Europe same time line is not fantastic.
Surely they must have something planned and cooking to yell about and get the good ship PlayStation running on full steam with those top AAA single player studio games again.
A new last of us remake to go with it?
just show the pro already Sony pls
@NEStalgia @OldGamer999 agreed with NES. With no big bump to the CPU, we are going to just get prettier 30fps games. Which is likely for most titles. Which is still a decent box but not the problem solving solution to what is holding the gen back and that is we are still stuck to 30fps gaming while PC is 60 and above. Most games i play i am fine with 60fps. Shooters i would happily take 120 and some do that on Series X and PS5.
@HonestHick is that really true though? Admittedly, I've not bought a new PS5 game since Elden Ring, but I did borrow Spiderman 2 and Star Wars Survivor and every game I've played up to this point has at least had a performance mode that runs at 60fps. The only games I know of that are stuck at 30fps are Red Dead Redemption 2 and Bloodborne, and they're PS4 games.
It might be because I'm getting older and time is speeding up, but it feels like this generation has barely started or scratched the surface of what the console is capable of. I personally think Sony and other publishers should focus on improving games instead of chasing the diminishing returns of where tech has got to. If making games costs so much now, isn't it time everyone slowed down a bit and put time into making great games until costs become a bit more sustainable?
What the heck are Bluepoint and Housemarque working on?!
@OldGamer999 Despite how we may bash Xbox for wasting away on bad decisions, PlayStation is really the opposite side of the same coin. Both are drunk on subscription and mtx revenue and have thrown their existing market away in hopes of milking that deeper and forever. Both only care about recurring payments now.
@Slippship After reading so many comments like yours, I tried to make the switch recently.
PC is too expensive, it's def not for me. I hope consoles never die and we have to go full PC.
@HonestHick PC is expensive as hell, it's not for everyone.
@Vault_Mcfly Yes and no. Compared to a $500 console? Yes youre right. Compared to a $500 console + a $600+ pro + $70 games + monthly online subscription? You can get away cheaper with the PC. Depends what the comparison is. Sure a $1500 PC isn't very future proof, but you could have had a PS5 pro in 2020 for about the same total price. And played Xbox games too.... Oh wait you can do that on PS5 now too 😂
@HonestHick sad thing is the CPU is the cheapest part of a PC these days and that's what the consoles scrimp on. But with an apu they have a thermal and silicon footprint and they'll dedicate most of that to gpu because that's what's easier to market. Which I kind of get. But then making a pro that mostly just bumps low performance GPU, is like throwing a 4070 on a 10th Gen i3.
@Old-Red most of the PS5 titles running 60fps are cross gen games. Spider-man 2 is a PS4 title, so it hit’s 60 on the PS5 much easier. Not saying the PS5 can’t run 60fps, it can and it does. Same with the Series X. But certain titles just don’t have enough CPU power to do it. We don’t know what the limitations of the PS5 truly is behind the scenes cause we haven’t seen much new PS5 only software yet. So the Pro will be a nice spec bump and of course make sure Sony has the best place to play GTA 6. I just wouldn’t expect GTA 6 to hit 60fps with that CPU.
@Vault_Mcfly Yeah PC is for sure expensive, the rig i want is $3K just for the tower and i would still need a high end monitor and good chair, so that investment would hit the pockets for sure. I have always been a console gamer, own all 3 and always have. I do NOT want consoles to go away ever, i don’t think they will, they will continue to change over time of course, but i think they will always be around. As for if PC gaming is for me, i don’t even know for sure. But I’d love to give it a try.
@NEStalgia Haha thats all very true. Here is a great GPU but the frames per second still stink. I don’t know we have to see what their upscaling tech can do. That could help a little i suppose.
@NEStalgia You pay for the full setup, a decent GPU is about 800$ or more and that's just one part of the whole.
I paid $500 for my PS5 in 2021, I don't see any problems to pay $600 now for a Pro, but I would for a GPU. The subscriptions are not expensive if you pay annually. Just play about 2 - 3 big games in the service and your subscription is paid, and you'll probably play more than 2 or 3 games in a year.
"Where else would it be?"
In its own announcement video with details on how certain games benefit.
@Vault_Mcfly don't forget mother board, ram, ssd, case, copy of windows 11, cpu and cpu fan heatsink, mouse, keyboard
@Pranwell Can I tell everyone I'm getting a PS5 Pro?
I moved from a PS3 to the OG PS4, and with the right games it blew me away. I moved from a PS4 to a PS4 Pro, and with the right games it blew me away. I moved from a PS4 Pro to a PS5, and with the right games it blew me away.
… do you get where I’m going with this? 😼
@Vault_Mcfly Well, we're comparing against the early adopter that also buys a pro here. So we're looking at $1100 or more for the full PS5 experience. But that's only for 800gb storage at once so one likely adds (the same) SSD to the PS5 they'd add to the PC, so $1250 or so? Vs $1400-1600 can get a decent PC. Ignoring subscriptions etc. Is not a wildly different price proposition. It just feels like it because the ps feels like it's paid in installments.
It's just what I needed for the next My Name Is Mayo at 120 fps.
Is ray tracing the future? this tech tanks performance so a machine to handle that and 4k is a must have surely? unless some are ok at 30 fps? FSR3 also needed? even the mighty RTX 4090 gets wrecked in some games according to owners of said hardware.
@ColdHandGee My PS3 is my main system again. Such a great lineup of games, graphics that still hold up today and a real sense of fun compared to PS5.
I just wish that the DualShock 4 worked flawlessly with it.
@__jamiie This is why I am using my dualsense on my PS3. I only wished the PS button worked. But the dualsense is nice to use!
@Vault_Mcfly yes mate, I have a nice system that says 100% on pc checker. Made only possible by a surprise.work bonus and the wife told me to spoil myself. It was nearly a new set of Ping clubs before I realised that psvr2 was coming to pc and mine was over a decade old gtx 1060. I paid 1500 quid which is far too much but the results are just what I'd hoped for and more. It's ridiculous but will last the ps5, pro and 6 most likely.
We'll have to wait another 3-4 years for Ubisoft to patch Assassin's Creed: Syndicate to run on the PS5 Pro without graphical glitches.
A year ago I was super excited to throw my money at a PS5 Pro. That’s when I was busy getting the Platinum in FF16.
Now I’m so wary of new games being like Concord or Suicide Squad that I don’t even buy them until I see enough reviews. Everything I have been playing lately is 4 to 6 years old at the newest.
I can’t wait, really hope it’s out this year. Preorder money at the ready.
Dolby Vision support for 4K Blu-rays or no buy.
@HonestHick I'm sure the upscaling is good, but, I really doubt Sony's home brew AI is going to be better than what Nvidia, the leader in AI everything, is doing. I assume the only reason Sony's doing their own is as a workaround for AMD's less than optimal upscaling, but it's also a little awkward that Sony, very much not an AI company, thinks its own internal system can best the two titans and all the experience they have with it. It'll be interesting to see because from the outside it's a weird approach.
It'll also be interesting to see what the real performance is. Thing is, it's still AMD silicon. And an APU at that. While AMD's discrete silicon still can't match equivalent Nvida across the board. It can sometimes best NV at a similar tier in pure raster performance, as long as RT is off. Their RT is still behind. They don't have ANY dies competing with 4090, their 7900xtx mostly competes with 4080 but typically performs a bit worse. And they already said they don't intend to compete with 4090, it's not profitable. I doubt PS5 Pro gets a 7900xtx equivalent, matching the top tier AMD GPU cards. And Sony putting a focus on the scaling tells us it's not either as the 7900xtx's strength is raw 4k raster performance. And AMD fans tend to get suuuuuper excited by the next AMD card all the time to finally be some performance monster, and then it always disappoints. So we're still talking a 1440p level GPU with better scaling tied with a lousy CPU. For probably close to the running price of the actual equivalent GPU. Seems like a weird system. Maybe they're packing tons of value into it somehow, but economically I can't see them giving "too much value" right now. If it works out that it's "less blurry visuals with the same poor performance" it feels more like an "ok, we admit it, PS5 sucks, here's what you really thought you bought in 2020" moment more than a high value upgrade. I could be wrong, maybe it's a powerhouse GPU. But if we're focusing on scaling, it's not going to be this 4080+esque monster people seem to be expecting.
@ColdHandGee I'm doing the same, but playing FFXIII
Last week I just opened it to clean it and repasted it! Like New.
@NEStalgia if i buy a gaming PC it will be Nvidia. AMD is just ok and all but not my favorite. I wish the consoles would use Nvidia but thats another topic. I tell tell you easily why Sony is using their own upscaling tech. Two words, Cocky & Cheap. Cocky cause deep in Sony’s lab’s they still think they are top class engineers. They still think their Magic proprietary tech is ahead of the competition and the cheap part speaks for itself. They don’t want to pay for other’s tech. They didn’t want to do it with Dolby even tho MS did do a deal with them, it was largely stated Sony was making its own sound and not using Dolby vision. Maybe this is a bad take from me but it’s the one thing i don’t like about Sony products anymore and why i don’t own any outside of the PS5.
I think the GPU for a console will be a monster but the CPU will let it down and the more i think about this console the less and less excited i am for it then i was when the rumors started about it. Normally i like Pro consoles you know that. Even if the gains are slim. I still get them. I am not sure. I am not using my PS5 much this year. Again the controller alone makes it were i only play the exclusives on it and those have not been around much, unless we want to all play Concord together, i kid i kid.
@HonestHick AMD accounts for less than 10% of GPUs on Steam...it's basically worse than Xbox lol.
But it has big fans, and it DOES do some things better. If you NEED more VRAM it's AMD. If you need raw raster performance it's AMD. IF you don't care too much about RT AMD is viable and has some benefits. If you're just trying to match console, AMD is fine. And if you care more about native res than upscaling, it's AMD. Nvidia tends to be worse per dollar on raw native res raster renders, but their RT is way ahead, and their scaling is way ahead. If AMD would lower their price they could OWN PC gaming though. Their problem is they match Nvidia's absurd pricing, with a slightly worse product. If they cut costs, Nvidia would be screwed.
LOL yeah, cocky is more like it. Cheap probably isn't it because AMD's is free for them. Designing their own AI hardware and software for it had to cost far more than necessary or beneficial, like the Cell processor all over again. Or the expensive "Cernydrive" SSD that exists ONLY to beat real nvme4 to market before it was ready using available NVME chips. (Going back to the consoles released too soon, Sony had to reinvent the wheel the standards boards already invented just to put theirs on the market a few months before the standard was ready. Then marketed it as a revolution.)
WDIIH Syndrome (We didn't invent it here) is status quo for both Sony and MS. That's the one good thing Nadella did was put an end to that it seems. But you're spot on about the Sony magic proprietary tech. Whatever the standard is they invent their own and declare it better. Sometimes it is, but it comes at a cost of being...not standard. if they want theirs to be standard they have to invent it first, not copy. Like Compact Disc.
Sony's always been like that though, and it's what's hurt them in the market since the idea of "standards" happened in the 90s. They were king in the 80's when marketing determined the better brand.
IDK if the GPU will be that monstrous, regardless of the CPU. If the focus is on upscaling, not native 4k, if the price isn't exhorbitant, and, frankly, if it's AMD (it is) there's a ceiling it can reach, and we're probably not looking at a rival to the "true 4k cards" which basically consists only of 4080, 4090, 7900xtx alone, all $1000+ cards. Could it rival a 4700? Maybe. 4700TiS? Maybe. And those are pretty monstrous, but I can't imagine AMD throwing a 7900xt equivalent (not to be confused with xtx, two very different dies), into an APU and calling it a day. The problem with these high end cards is the die itself is exhorbitant. The reason EVGA got out of their Nvidia business was largely that they couldn't make money. It's been said that Nvidia charges almost the MSRP cost of the whole card just for the chip to the OEMs such that between cost of the chip, and the cost of building the board, the OEMs make less than 3% margin on the card, and often actually lose money. It's practically charity. That's why they upsell the "OC" versions with super heatsinks, that's the only margin they get. They make MSRP models in small batches to say they have them, then only stock the few $100 more models to make margin. AMD can do it cheaper, of course, without the NV to OEM tax. But we're still talking a world where those high end chips that costs so much don't cost THAT much less to actually mfr. Sony's stuck with that reality for now. Their costs won't be THAT much different from our costs, really. Say a 7900xtx chip (retail $1k) wholesales at $600 to Asus, XTX etc, even $500. No way Sony can get their custom APU version that much less than that. So it can't be that tier of chip. Plus the cost of their own AI, plus the cost of the rest of the machine and distribution. And they won't take a loss.
We'll see what DF says, when/if it launches (STILL not convinced Sony's launching it. Probably a cash in for GTA then they forget about it again. Seems to be their way now.)
The best thing about the Edge controller is it only lets you play Concord for 2.5 hours before forcing it to end.
@Andy22385 @nessisonett I'd argue the majority of the best looking games for PS5 can hit 60fps - GOW, LOU, Horizon, Spider-Man, COD campaigns etc Developers are letting gamers down, not the hardware. If they're pushing for the latest graphical techniques but can't hit 60 fps then those should probably be left to PC development only. Just my opinion.
@NEStalgia AMD is normally better bang for the buck for sure. But Nvidia while mostly overpriced has a lot of advantages i like. I would want the 4090 or soon to be 5090 even tho they cost stupid amounts of cash, but man would Gears of War E Day ever look sweet on that rig.
Yeah i am concerned and interested in PS5 Pro, i do think the GPU will be capable. As we know consoles optimize very well and the power on paper is never the story with consoles. Heck i am still surprised at what dev’s are getting out the the Tegra 1 on switch. I mean on paper that thing shouldn’t be able to run anything at this point. So i think but i am not sure, that the GPU in the Pro will be able to hold its own. But again that CPU is going to bottle neck most of it to low frames per second for higher intense games. Unless there is a way around that that me and you don’t know. Then i think we will still see lot’s of 30fps games on it. Which at that point along with the controller and Ui suck for me. I might just pass. I’ll just pick up the next gen Xbox and Xbox handheld and wait on the PS6 and see how much larger they make the touch pad so the controller is even wider.
@16BitHero you're right they do. But we're moving to UE5 now and those aren't doing
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