
On 9th March, 2010, publisher and developer Square Enix released Final Fantasy XIII for Western audiences, and we can still recall the incredible hype behind it. Gorgeous, a stunning showpiece for what the famously difficult to develop for PS3 could achieve, it introduced us to Lightning, perhaps the most iconic protagonist the series' has produced since Cloud himself; the release divided the already fractious Final Fantasy fanbase like never before, with some hailing it as revolutionary and others decrying it as a major step backwards.
With the benefit of hindsight, it's easier to appreciate what Square was trying to achieve with Lightning and co's explicitly sci-fantasy adventure. The Paradigm System, which formed the game's visually impressive battle system, itself a return to something more traditional after the deviation that was Final Fantasy XII, was actually pretty darn good. Its soundtrack, too, was pretty stellar. We'd totally be down for a remake, as there is certainly something there.
Still, it's hard to get past FFXIII's disjointed narrative, the lack of exploration allowed by its more directed adventure, and ditching of essential elements like an overworld, towns, or even many NPCs to explore and interact with. We'll never forget the rallying cry of the game's staunchest defenders, that "it gets better after 20 hours", once the core crew comes together and the game world opens up. Add to that the explicit war crimes that were Vanille and Fang's alleged Australian accents in the English version; some atrocities can never be forgiven.
What are your memories of Final Fantasy XIII? Were you a fan, or an eternal hater? Would you like to see the Fabula Nova Crystallis series live again? Let us know in the comments section below.
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This game holds up visually - I still can't believe what it could get out of the PS3. And that battle music - it's the only reason I lasted playing for 10 hours before getting bored to tears.
Yeah I was really interested in playing FF13 and the only one I ever played just for a small bit was Lightning Returns(And I've heard lots of bad things about this one in particular compared to the first one) and I disliked it a lot due to turn based. Although my tastes have changed ever since I played Persona 5 so I am curious about this title.
I wonder how I’d feel about it now if I went back to it. I never finished it when it came out and was so put off by it I didn’t play a nother final fantasy until ff7r.
This game was almost the last final fantasy i ever played, owing to the complete lack of exploration or choice in the 'game'.
I was a devoted fan of the series through 12, but i don't buy FF games anymore.
The only fond memory I have of 13 is it got me into collecting play arts figures for a few months. 13-2 was great though.
It’s completely disjointed. There ARE some excellent moments and strong aspects, visually, musicly, some of the voice acting, etc.
But it’s also a mess of ideas, built on rocky foundations with a script that defies belief how it was ever greenlit. The liberal use of nonsense proper nouns made it incredibly difficult to enjoy - l’Cie, fal’Cie, Cie’th, Pulse fal’Cie, Coccon, Sanctum, Gran Pulse, Focus and on and on. Who in their right minds approved all this gibberish, which was inserted far too frequently? Then there was the extremely linear aspect of the game, lack of gameplay depth, towns or NPCs, and many other RPG staples missing.
But the biggest sin for me was making characters I didn’t love. Some weren’t bad, but I didn’t love any of them like I had in prior games.
Ultimately, while the game had some good moments it was at release a HUGE disappointment for many long term series fans.
Personally Final Fantasy was my #1 favourite game series at the time, I had played them all at that point and pre-ordered them without fail, but XIII killed most of that love for the series and stopped me pre-ordering games going forward, I found it that disappointing. It fundamentally changed what the FF games were, encouraging some of the worst aspects of previous games while leaving behind the best.
I hear XIII-2 and LR FFXIII were better but I never played them. Whether rightly or wrongly they always felt like a cash grab to try and gain back some of the massive investment in XIII. For years I’ve always said maybe one day I’ll play them all, but I doubt it, too many other better games to play.
But a trilogy remaster with useful time saving toggles to speed up the worst parts might tempt me. I would be interested to see how I feel 15+ years later and older.
Still waiting for that Trilogy Remaster for PS5/PS4 and Switch 2---like srsly Square do you guys not want money? Kidding aside, will grab this if and when they announce it... and it'd be cool if ever they add in some of the cut content and QOL like the "7th Ark" or hell bring in Fal'Cie Diabolos, his concept art looked cool(several iterations and one that had a flaming guitar to whack the party) and maybe have the equipped weapons displayed during the real time cut scenes..
Oh and that Lightning Good Smile Scale fig looked nice too!
I just want a full HD remaster complete with the little details that weren’t possible in the original version. Like how Lightning’s holster disappears at times. The game still holds up visually. I just want a little bit extra.
@Strikke See! You got the right idea there. Just add in a few things and it’d be an amazing buy!
It was the first final fantasy game i actually played on my own & loved it; never beat it though, it was just too long, but at least i made it to disc 3. I’m a sucker for aesthetics & the presentation of this game is so good and is beautiful af.
@IntrepidWombat The ps3 was powerful & ahead of its time. The ps3 era was one of the few & last times that consoles were actually more powerful than PCs for a while. God of war 3 came out around the same time as FF13 and was absolutely ground breaking; the cell processor is insane
FFXII has grown on me. I wasn't a fan at first, but for me it's the last "real" FF and better than XII. Lightning is a great character and the game has a good story. I also hope for a collection with all three parts even if Returns is not worth mentioning.
This game and I have a bit of history. First play my save corrupted around 42 hrs in. Started fresh and ran through the game and did post game and all trophies except when I realized I screwed up royally and could not obtain treasure hunter. Took a break and then did a new run and it was a whole new experience since I had gained a lot of insight and experience in how to play roles and switch them and use advanced combo switches and attacks to really elevate the combat and overall experience. Got my treasure hunter and platinum trophies and in total put in 330 hrs into the game. I think the 2nd playthrough gives a new experience because you become familiar with how the combat system plays and works which makes for an improved experience. They lowered the bar with the sequels imho, but this one I really appreciated out of them all
The end game in those trilogy was fantastic in my opinion,, the 3 games ina remaster packet...sign me up!!
@LavenderShroud Definitely! Here's to hoping they actually announce the Trilogy remasters.
I remember getting excited for this game and when I finally got it, I never get to finish it. I tried replaying XIII some time later and still couldn't find myself beating the game. I couldn't tell what it was that compelled me from finishing XIII
Several years later, I decided to pick this up again and I can finally understand why I just can't be bothered with this. It's the fact that I do not like the characters at all and that irks me from progressing the story. I just don't find them interesting and most of them annoys the hell out of me. I just can't bear their bantering.
I know lots of people are now warming up to XIII nowadays, but not me. I still can't find myself liking this. I'll give it that the game has good graphics that can still hold up even by today's standards and that the music is really good (that's one thing I love about Final Fantasy in general, the music) but that's all the credits I will give this game. For me, Final Fantasy is all about the characters and the story, something that this game failed to meet my expectations.
The best review of this game online is still the one by Noah Antwiler AKA The Spoony One.
He nitpicks a lot in it i won't deny that, but he nevertheless makes some excellent points. The repetitive dialogue, the fact that the story at points is incomprehensible, the ending that makes little sense when you actually think about it.
It's hate is well earned imo.
BTW, I've already seen it mentioned here so i have to refute the claim that Lightning is the female Cloud because it bugs me whenever I see it.
I don't remember Cloud punching Aerith in the face repeatedly for annoying him. I don't remember Cloud planning to abandon a child because he could not keep up.
Lightning is a horrible person. The fact that she gets better is irrelevant - the damage was done early and completely derailed Square's continuous attempts to make her the series mascot.
Sucks that I can’t play this on modern consoles because I skipped over PS3 when college/attempting to date (failed tho whadduppp)/sports/family/life got in the way. Would love a remaster or anything really so I can have my own opinion about it tbh
I never really clicked with XIII but XIII-2? Now that was a game!
I enjoyed the combat and I liked the characters but for me it has one of the worst Final Fantasy stories.
Divisive? I thought it was universally hated, and rightfully so.
In what part did it have a timer just remove that and its fine.
I don’t hate the game - it’s visually stellar and has one of the best combat systems in the whole series but it’s a too streamlined (kinda like FFXVI tbh) and lacks in side activities. Throw in a couple of little towns and some mini games and you basically have FFVII Remake.
Lightning Returns is a super interesting game, though. Too bad they couldn’t achieve what it did while keeping the visual fidelity of the original.
Perfect game ...until you hit open world. Then it somehow stopped to be fun. I don't know exactly why.
But true game killer was equip scaling. The better gear you have (even just equip and unequip), the stronger creatures are. So stick with your basic equip and everything will be fine.
Back then i was hype for XIII. When i got my hands on the game, i played it until chapter 10 but after that i just stop playing because i feel the story and characters wasn't interesting despite the graphics looks great, the music was nice, and the combat / battle system was quite fun.
So i put XIII on my backlog for years until August last year i gave it a second chance and finished it. My opinion for XIII story and characters kinda changed a bit. It has flaws but i get what Motomu Toriyama tried to achieved with a group of strangers tried to band together to fight the system / tradition and even "God" themself. If only Toriyama pace the story better and less of the annoying repeat of l'Cie this, fal'Cie that, Cocoon this, Pulse that.
I still think Vanille is the single worst voice actor I think I’ve ever heard. Like genuinely painful to listen to. I tried so hard to fight past it, but I couldn’t get past the final disc/part.
The other characters were okay, but none really grabbed my heart. I remember getting more into it the more I played, but every time Vanille popped up wanting to immediately switch off.
I don’t think I’ve ever had that reaction to a VO before or since.
I was halfway through this game when my Xbox 360 got the ‘red ring of death’ and I never completed it.
I still have the game and have been tempted to put it into my Series X and play it…
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Not a FF fan and never really had any urge to play them except for 6.
However, I always thought Lightning's design and that battle theme Light of something I can't remember (blinded by light!) were really, really good.
@breakneck Her being named lightning,having a similar hallway intro scenes with soldiers,and having the same stoich personality of Cloud before the twist,isn't a coincidence.
The only difference is that Cloud isn't a one dimensional character,and wasn't as big of an *****.
I quite enjoyed this one. I'll always remember battling in the Fifth Ark to the sounds of Will to Fight. I absolutely love that music track.
Loved XIII so much I went back and platinumed it a couple of years back.
Eh, it was fine. It obviously wasn't what people wanted it to be, and it embodies a certain "self-serious gravitas" that Square-Enix loved to bathe their games in at the time. Having characters drone on about high-concept sci-fi plot-maguffins will never sound more pretentious to me than the crew of FFXIII going on and on about "Fal'Cie" and "l'Cie" in this first entry into the "Fabula Nova Crystallis: Final Fantasy"-series.
I shelved it pretty quickly upon release. Went back 3-4 years later and finished it. Knowing what you're getting into was the key for me to see it through, and I enjoyed it for what it was.
Having said that, I recently started a replay of FFX (which I love, even if I hadn't played it in years), and maybe it's just me, but the "pretty 30-hour corridor"-design often argued as the bane of FFXIII feels like a logical endpoint to what FFX was already starting to do.
I love FF13, while I know it's not perfect, but for me, I really vibed with the game, it has one of the best OSTs in the franchise, the ATB combat is at it's peak in this game, plus Lightning is a great MC.
After finishing FFXIII and feeling pretty meh about it, I never played the two direct sequels. Over time I've actually become quite intrigued about giving it a go again and playing the whole trilogy. Such a shame that they don't have PS4/5 ports yet. If they would remaster the whole thing and sell it as a collection, I'd definitely be interested.
@CWill97 i mean, it technically can be played on modern consoles if you have a xbox
I really enjoyed FF13. It came at a time when online discourse was much less prevalent, so compared to today the amount of criticism, or rather the ubiquitous access to criticism, didn’t taint my experience. It also released at a time when there were a lot fewer games coming out and so I was more prone to stick with a game longer because I didn’t have a hundred games in my backlog like I do now. And FF13 is a game that benefits from pushing through the opening 20 hours.
So if the game came out in current circumstances, I’m not sure I would have played it and enjoyed it like I did. To an extent that’s what happened to me with FF15 — I never got around to playing it because the collective opinion online was fairly negative and I had a growing backlog by then and so it just never made it to the top of the list to play.
@nomither6 gaming consoles were never more powerful than PCs. Please list your sources.
I really enjoyed FFXIII when I played it back in the day. It was far better than FFXII which is one of the worst in the series imo. The battle system still holds up as a great adaptation of the ATB system, and i loved the mechanical take on the eidelons. I get that people felt it was linear but having replayed the earlier games it was no more linear, I think it just suffered for areas being corridors. The older games just did a better job of masking the corridors by putting you on a world map where each transition was point A to point B.
FFXIII-2 really lost me however, the charcters where simply not as interesting and the story got wierd. Mainly I missed Snow and felt it made no sense for him to hunt his fiance for an entire game and then just wander off without her for the sequel.
Would really like a remastered collection of all 3 games for current gen tho.
I recently scooped up the trilogy on Steam for a good bargain. I was a kid when it came out so I have nostalgia from a lot of its advertising, plus I want to play all the Final Fantasy games eventually. I've enjoyed flawed games before, and hope I can do the same here! The narrative and exploration seem to be the biggest hurdles to get over.
I have the trilogy on PS3, but picked them up again on XBox disc when I got my Series X last year to give them another shot via BC.
After playing through a good chunk of FF13, it just made me want a proper trilogy remaster for PS4/5. These games do deserve a little bit of the hate they get, but not all of it. I’d happily buy a trilogy remaster.
Besides the combat for the most part, the music and the graphics, I still don't have any real love or even fondness for FF13 overall. Personally, I still find the game to be one of the more dissapointing titles in the whole franchise.
I tried the two direct sequels before, and they both were somewhat of an improvement but it just wasn't enough to make me like the FF13 subseries in the end.
I enjoyed FFXIII far more than the original FFVII (lets include the remake as well), as well as the previous PS2 entries. Granted it was highly disappointing that it was so linear, but the visuals did help keep me somewhat interested in it. The story wasn't the worst I have seen at that time either. FFXIII-2 wasn't as good, but wasn't bad. -3's format I hated. I did give it a chance but it was a struggle to bother.
I do not mind when companies try to experiment and change things up to keep their games feeling a little fresh. They will always be hit or miss for people. Sometimes you find something that works surprisingly well, other times something hilariously unintentional that the devs play off of for future games. You just never know. But if you completely drop one way and adopt another permanently, you alienate part of the fanbase who preferred the older version. I know it may be much to ask for, but sometimes I wish for an option between the current battle system and the old tun based (example: Currently sick and find it hard to concentrate, so too much on the screen at once is too hard to follow, so wanting to still play a game but at my own pace would be preferred).
@djlard that’s so weird to hear as it’s usually stated that it finally gets good when the open world section hits. I’ve genuinely never heard someone else say that was the bad bit, but we all like different things. First time for anything
For me, who had been playing the series since the original launched in the US, it was the beginning of the end of them making games that I enjoyed. And that was after 12 was the absolute peak of JRPGs. Its unfortunate, because I want more games, but they just aren't making them the way I want them to be any more.
@CWill97
They're playable on Xbox thanks to retro compatibility if you have one.
FF13 and FF5 are the only mainline FF titles that I never completed.
FF5 because I got too busy with other games, and FF13 because after 15 or so hours, I just couldn’t do it anymore. I was so hyped for FF13 since the PS3 was dreadfully short on good content at the time.
The visuals and music were great. The gameplay, story, and characters couldn’t keep me interested.
Still my favorite FF.
I mainly remember it as the prequel to one of my favorite games: XIII-2.
I remember everyone on my friends list and my 3 or 4 real world friends constantly complaining about it, and I'm just there enjoying every moment, spending hours upon hours in it. I remember one of my friends saying the XBox version was superior because it came on 4 discs which made it similar to the PS1 Final Fantasy games.
I am of fan of 13. I stayed away from it for a year after release due to the negative press. But after a friend played it I bought and it become one of my favorite Final Fantasy games. I'm desperate for a Remaster!
FFXIII felt like a finely-crafted tech demo to an egregiously incomplete game.
This, a hundred percent. What really stuck out to me as well was the item upgrading system. You essentially get given a load of loot/components after battles, and you just blindly shove them into your gear, with no real way to know exactly what effect they'll have until you've done it.
The biggest dissapointment I ever had with a game. I made it to the point everyone was saying it "opened up" and was like....this is it? Most of the characters were obnoxious, the story was really hard to follow. It is a shame because the battle system was really cool and Lightnings design was awesome, but the sum of it's parts were just bad. I wouldn't want them to dedicate resources to a remake.
It was far from perfect obviously, but I still highly enjoyed it. I have yet to play the two sequels, but I would like to eventually. A shame in a way that it was even treated like the red headed stepchild of the series by Square Enix for so long, being the only game not to even get re-released on PS4.
@tangyzesty on release ps3 had a better CPU & was “maybe”outmatched with its GPU (that could be offset by the Cell’s 7 SPE’s) and definitely RAM.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_technical_specifications
I could be wrong about the Xbox360 but that also released in ‘05 , i still doubt PCs had a better GPU than the 360 in ‘05 . they were either evenly matched or underpowered.
this is a link to an article of that time period with the specs of pc at the time :
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1911
I think a remake would be fantastic. Keep the things that were amazing about this entry and implement what you've learned since. Sounds basic but that was the games problem to begin with. Development cycle was soooo long, things had become outdated before it even released.
God it’s bad. Keep meaning to go back and give it another go but it was just rubbish.
Was my first ever FF game and first ever JRPG. It got me into the series and genre. And now I only just prefer playing JRPGs haha.
Surprised they never remastered or ported it to ps5. I play the trilogy on the steam deck. I didnt think it was that bad since i platinumed mostly all the FF games released
I was dubious at first, but it did grow on me. Though a lifetime love of RPGs means I'm more likely to endure the 'boring' bits possibly.
As for divisive, I'd argue that the most recent one has been more that. There's two camps of people that love/hate it, unlike this one which everyone had slightly different opinions of.
The game has issues, but I still think it's a solid game overall.
A remaster that lets you manually reposition in combat, something 13-2 fixed, & lets you re-spec job points would go a long way to fixing the combat's issues.
FF 13 was the least favorite of mine due to difficult gameplay, very linear corridor world, terrible character parameter upgrade but I have some pro point from FF 13.
Storyline, Fal'cie / L'cie / Cieth concept, Final Boss design, OST.
I was massively let down by it, as a diehard fan since my first FF game on the SNES. I've since come around. The battle system is fast-paced, unique, and really opens up the more synergies you unlock. It's still quite beautiful, and the soundtrack is incredible. It's a masterpiece compared to FFXV (worst game in the series) and FFXVI ("Final May Fantasy").
@nessisonett better than XV and XVI. Give it another chance.
To this day final fantasy 13 is my least favorite game I’ve spent over an hour with
@Drnsnsr XV is only terrible in its back half where it’s literally on rails. The open world stuff is great. XVI was a huge disappointment.
@themightyant I also don't know why it happened. I liked that drive and pace it had until I hit open area. It suddenly slowed ... I don't know. Maybe in that time I got information about that monster scaling according to equip, so I lost interrest on grinding... In that time I had some legendaries already and beasts were somehow hard and fights started to be rather annoying... maybe that was the reason...
It was the downfall of Final Fantasy, the absolute worst, characters, story, locations, everything was terrible...and they made a Trilogy out of it...makes it even worse
these days, i think people would be more than happy to get another game with the same design philosophy as ff xiii (yes, with a better story to go along with it). by most metrics, it was certainly a lot better than xv and even xvi!
most divisive? xii (love it) and xvi are the most divisive, along with viii (also love it) perhaps. xv and x-2 are probably the most despised. xiii sits comortably in the middle of all those... ultimately non essential but featuring a fantasic battle system! seriously, the battle system was among the best the series has ever seen and its a shame that s-e has steered so far away from it over the past 10 years. i still need to finish xiii-2 and xiii-3 and look forward to it for the battle system alone.
FF13 was my very first FF game. I kept hearing about the franchise, but never tried playing one. When I saw some trailers for 13, I was super impressed. When I got around playing it, I realized, unfortunately, it wasn't for me. I prefer either action RPGs or turn based games. This in between thing doesn't do it for me. But I felt really bad for the developers for all the hate they were getting.
The only question is: where is the bloody FFXIII Trilogy Remaster?
Robbo78 The OST was good i'll give it that But yea everything you said i have to agree with.
Fantastic game despite it's flaws. The visuals felt like the last major leap in FF mainline series. The OST to this game/trilogy is one of my favorites of all FF and that's saying a lot.
I'm glad I was in the subset of people who enjoyed this one start to finish. My only regret was losing my game save to a failed hard drive before PS+ cloud storage was a thing. I was so close to a platinum
I think it's fair. It and Front Mission Evolved or others of the time by Square, Capcom (Lost Planet/other IPs), Konami/Capcom sort of always had in their own way 'tried' to appeal to the west and were hit and miss.
I don't mind them as it's interesting to see how they approach them in a fair way or the over the top way to appeal to the west I enjoy both. XD That and compared to Square's Valkyrie Elysium, the tactics remakes offloaded to Microids or others and Diofield. I was interested in them but besides Elysium being different but still my thing and better polish then Soleil's other games, and the tactics remakes varying.
But Square, Sega (Binary Domain, Vanquish), and others with 1 off shooters or other stuff was an interesting time.
I enjoyed enough of FF13, didn't do much with 13 2 and tried a bit of Lighting Returns. It's an interesting trilogy. I did find that while I got into FF13 to disk 2 (360 version but own PS3 version now) and wasn't against turn based combat like I am now (unless tactics games not traditional turn based). It was fair but it a good world, fair characters and really dull turn based combat even compared to FF Mystic Quest or the real time ones like Type 0, or fair other combat mechanics of other mainline/spin offs.
Or how Kingdom Hearts/Secret of Mana do it.
I think 13 is fair just the combat is too dull/grinding could happen but has the limits of enemy spawns or wasn't necessary till the disk 2 aka chapter 9 boss that is a major faulting point.
It's a fair game just very yeah... needed more in the combat department and was an ok story for what it was.
It looks good, the music is still good I like the ice one and the part with Vanille and Hope in the city lower levels I think. The other songs are good but those ones are just very calming and engaging to me with just the right amount to them.
Crazy it's been 15 years. I bought into the hype but when I played the game it just didn't click with me.
@Uromastryx im hoping one day they do a remaster
@SJR worse games have been remaster so there is hope, and I think it would be much better accepted now then original release, when it was release it was a big step away from the normal final fantasy combat etc the flow was different and maybe people just weren't ready l, however the story is crazy whack but had it have been less convoluted probably would have hit
I personally loved the game, considering I usually don't enjoy sci-fi games this was an achievement! I think that when you have a franchise as popular as Final Fantasy, it's impossible to please all players. I personally think the onus is actually on the gamer to take each game as it is and rather than condemn it for the things you don't like, praise the things you do like. I didn't enjoy that there was no overworld or that it was so linear, but the adventure I did get was really enjoyable and spoke to me of social inequalities we have had for decades and gave me somewhere I could fight against it where I'm powerless in reality. It was great to have a female protagonist for a change after the many male protagonists of previous games, and if an Australian accent is a deal breaker it really says more about the person than the game. It's ok to be disappointed if it didn't meet your expectations, but that doesn't make it a terrible game, just maybe not the best in the series for you, and that's ok
@Porco I'm in the minority that really loved 13-2 and 10-2 and 12, I suppose I'm just either easily pleased or less judgemental, maybe both. I like to take each game for what it is without expectations. I find that if I have expectations and they're not met it spoils the experience for me! I dunno, so far it's only unnecessary super hard difficulty (Elden Ring), guns (pick a modern game), and sports that don't appeal.
It was downhill from there, budget, legacy and name keeping FF afloat right now, question is only how long will it last
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