
Update []: In the aftermath of Windows Central reporter Jez Corden’s previous comments, more details are beginning to emerge about Microsoft’s next-gen strategy – and they couldn’t possibly deviate further than Sony’s.
According to a monstrous exclusive report by the scribe, the Redmond firm will partner with another manufacturer to release an Xbox branded handheld later this year. This will presumably be PC-based, and will be used to demo some of Windows’ new features.
It’s a dramatic departure from Sony’s approach with the breakaway success of the PS Portal. The Remote Play handheld streams games from the PS5, and is positioned more as an accessory. It’s been a best-seller right around the world.
Corden doesn’t specify who’s making the aforementioned Xbox branded handheld, although he does mention it may be able to run services like Steam. The ROG Ally X costs around $800 and the Lenovo Legion Go about $700, so expect something in that ballpark.
While the dedicated PC handheld market is proving popular among enthusiasts, the Steam Deck’s install base is estimated to be around a third of the PS Vita’s lifetime sales.
Corden continues that Microsoft is making its own handheld to launch alongside a new “console”, scheduled for release in 2027.
However, he implies that whatever Xbox is cooking up will be “closer to Windows than ever”, insinuating this may not be a traditional console, but effectively a pre-made PC instead. He once again implies that other platforms like Steam and the Epic Games Store may run on the device.
Exactly how this business model is going to work for Microsoft remains unclear, though. Consoles have certainly been getting more expensive lately, but they remain relatively affordable because manufacturers like Sony subsidise the costs in order to get you into their ecosystems. Exactly how the Redmond firm will achieve that on an open platform remains unclear.
One thing that is obvious is that the Team in Green is going in a totally different direction. We’d expect the PS6 to be a much more traditional console, with all of the advantages and disadvantages that come with that, although word is Sony may also have a true handheld of its own in the works as well.
Either way, when it comes to the traditional box, expect a subsidised price point, a defined technological target, and some innovative new features, like the haptic feedback and adaptive triggers that were introduced this generation, with the PS5.
Which strategy will work best? Well, that’s what we’re going to find out over the next five or so years.
Original Story: Recent comments from Windows Central's executive editor Jez Corden have sparked discussion about when Xbox's next-gen console will emerge, and more interestingly, what exactly it will be.
Speaking on an episode of the Xbox Two Podcast, Corden responds to rumours that Call of Duty studios already have access to next-gen Xbox devkits, and that the machine is being scheduled for release sometime in 2026.
He believes that this is "not accurate", and that the next Xbox's arrival is more likely to come in 2027.
Of more interest is how he talks about the form the new Xbox console will take. He calls it a "PC in essence but with a TV friendly shell", with a set of specifications not unlike a console.
In other words, instead of the console being a step removed from the world of PC, Corden is suggesting the next Xbox could be literally a PC under the hood — an affordable one with inflexible specs.
If that's true, what could it mean for PlayStation going forward?
Perhaps the most obvious point is that, if the next Xbox is simply a PC, you could theoretically play Sony's PC ports on it, like Marvel's Spider-Man, Helldivers 2, Ghost of Tsushima, and so on.
This would depend on whether you'd be able to access Steam or Epic Games Store on the device, and of course that's another question entirely. If it's just a PC, will you be able to import your existing collection of PC software, and will you have access to your libraries on third-party clients?
It's a very interesting possibility. Assuming Xbox players would be able to also access things like Steam and Epic, it might make PlayStation's closed-off ecosystem look comparably restrictive, even if some of its first-party games are PC-bound.
We suppose from Sony's perspective, expanding its audience via new hardware with no real extra effort might seem like a good deal. However, it likely wouldn't be that straightforward in reality; it all sounds like a legal nightmare waiting to happen.
We don't want to jump the shark, though — this is all just going off of Corden's word, after all. It's worth noting Xbox boss Phil Spencer has previously said he wants hardware to be the big differentiator in future, and this idea of it being a PC more than a console does sort of align with where the company is going.
Anyway, what do you think? Would you be interested in a next-gen Xbox that's a PC in all but name? Would such a device affect how you interact with PlayStation? Discuss in the comments section below.
[source windowscentral.com, via youtube.com, resetera.com]
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If Xbox games are coming over to PS then I'll just wait for the PS6, simply as that.
Edit: I will never take what Cordon says seriously in any shape or form.
They say this every time a new Xbox is coming, that it’s more a PC then it is a dedicated games console and that it will run on Windows 10 etc.
If it's more affordable than a PC with similar specs but can still run games from Steam/Windows store etc, while also having a TV friendly user interface... it actually sounds pretty darn good. We'll see if any of that is true, though.
Would other manufacturers be able to make an Xbox for under the TV too then? Like how Dell, Sony, Lenovo, etc, make PCs today?
Now that could be interesting, if Xbox effectively became a user friendly back-end that automatically scaled the experience in the background to run best on whatever version of an Xbox you have under your telly.
Admittedly, i’m not so knowledgeable about this all, but i don’t get it.
Arent PC games cheaper than on console?
If Steam will be accessible on Xbox, why would anyone buy their games from the Xbox store?
So they’d rather sell their games for cheaper through Steam and still give Valve their 30% cut, than sell it for a full $70 through their own store or through the PS store?
Maybe i’m way off, but i can’t figure out what their strategy would be if they integrate Steam on Xbox. Why not go full multiplat at that point? Whats the point of creating bespoke hardware if you’re only going to sell through 3rd party stores.
Also, aren’t consoles pretty much PCs anyways, internally? How would this be any different? Like, how could this console be cheaper than a similarly specced PC? And how would that be any different from how consoles are now?
PlayStation 6 will be the last "traditional console".
If Xbox is PC/console hybrid & handheld and Nintendo Switch 2 is for sure Handheld/docked console then that's it.
PS6 will be the only option now.
In my opinion: whatever they decided this themselves and/or by console/handheld/PC purchases. I know they [Microsoft] will regret it because they are not Nintendo.
Xbox's biggest problem is making people actually care. And with their games coming over to PS5 they have set the expectation that you don't need an Xbox.
@LogicStrikesAgain Why would there be issue to manufacture specific "old" PC for cheap at scale? Consoles are outdated by PC standarts long before those hit shelves. And still you can't build similar PC for same money. Because PC are built for so many seperated parts, while consoles are custom built in generic terms.
And how many people are really buying games on Xbox nowadays? GamePass is main thing for Xbox, isn't it?
The final XBox's power wil be eclipsed by it's sudden and inevitable failure. Years later people will still talk about what a shame it was that it failed because it was capable of so much. This is a certainty because people insist on making the same mistakes over and over again.
Console/PC hybrid sounds awful and makes my skin crawl.
a user friendly pc that plays like a console isnt that steam OS?. good idea if you can play steam games on a pc/console
solves the issue of not getting PlayStation games or an xbox port because almost every game comes out on PC
I see as great step for Xbox in general to salvage things and giving up any exclusivity. Playstation stays with regular console and many Exclusives. Xbox cancels old design console and creates custom PC/Console which runs Windows and gives option to use as regular PC- Xbox Store, GamePass, Steam. Still custom built in similar way as Consoles has been, and much cheaper than regular PC.
I think at this point it doesn't matter what Xbox do as there's not enough interest in them anymore.
@AdamNovice Of course you need an xbox. Everything is an xbox and you need at least 1 thing in your life to play games.
At that point they might as well just stick with publishing. I'm pretty sure Microsoft dug this hole for Xbox themselves by constantly muddling their own vision for it.
XBOX needs an identity of its own. Nintendo has its niche. Everyone knows what separates Nintendo from the pack. XBOX is too close to PlayStation in its identity and falls short of PS in every aspect. Beefing up your machine does nothing if you can't deliver a unique, worthwhile experience. There are games similar to Forza, Fable, and Gears on PlayStation. There are no games similar to God Of War, The Last Of Us, and Ratchet & Clank on XBOX.
I won't ever consider getting the next Xbox. PS6 is the way to go, where you can enjoy Multiplatform games, PS exclusives as well as Xbox's.
welcome back, ps3
Not all PlayStation games will be ported over to the PC or the Xbox, so it doesn’t exactly mean anything in the long run for PS players.
I haven’t gotten an Xbox series console yet but I guess there’s no point now that Microsoft is including the PS logo on their game showcases
Lots of prejudice in the comments again. Not surprising. People on Push Squared are so negative on anything that is not Sony.
Stephen Tailby, it might be time to stop making opinion articles based on rumors that don't have anything to do with Sony hardware or ecosystem. You're just pushing toxicity to the user base in the comments.
I swore the series x would be my last xbox but this could get me back
@Oram77 100% he is a fraud
@ButterySmooth30FPS the steam decks pretty sweet tbf
Next Xbox going to be a PC? Or maybe just an All In One PC?
@BusyOlf 360's were macs!
The first 360 dev environment was literally a Power Mac G5 that Microsoft put specific graphic cards in.
This is pretty much the same conversation than when it was launched the streaming service to play steam games on xbox using the browser.
What end up happening? All PS Studios games were blocked with the exception of Death Stranding for obvious reasons.
What is going to happen now? Sony most likely will talk to Valve so they block their games to be played on xbox even if xbox and the handheld has the Steam native app. That's all.
The thing Xbox has is game pass ultimate and I guess that is their thing that is different to Sony and Nintendo.
And of course with the lack of games to start with has I think stagnated sales.
However if you go from late 2024 with Indy and COD then Avowed, Atomfall, south of Midnight and Doom then the first half of 2025 looks pretty good.
I think the games just need a bit more AAA polish which I think Doom will definitely have and gears of war.
Then there is older games like FH5 etc on GPU.
No advertising consoles or game pass has obviously not helped them either.
I can never work out their true intentions, then they go on about a handheld and next gen home console. It baffles me sometimes 🤣
A TV-friendly PC is exactly what Xbox needs to do to stay competitive, in my opinion. A box that plays Steam, Epic, Xbox, GOG, and more, but you don't have to worry about drivers/spec tinkering.
If this is true, this could actually be the silver bullet that Microsoft needs and I'm all for it. Sony needs someone to keep them competitive and Xbox fans deserve a win.
@Lowdefal Is that true!? I'm a lifelong Mac user and I had no idea! Small world how they stole Halo and then stole their architecture, too 😂
Who cares? I'm a PlayStation fan first and foremost so I care as much about xbox consoles as I do gaming pc's...I'm all about the games.
It'd be pretty big if they did allow storefronts like steam/epic on it, but I personally can't see it happening. Though I'd have said the same about microsoft releasing games on playstation not too long ago so who knows.
Surely Microsoft would want to agree some sort of cut of the sales with them though. I can't see them releasing a box that most people are just going to use steam on without something to gain.
Doesn't really matter what the next Xbox is in relation to Sony. What Colin Moriarty said many years ago is true, PlayStation has had become like the apple of consoles.
It doesn't matter if the competition has better hardware, the crowds will always turn out for it now
MS made the right choice going multi plat
You are entirely correct, @LogicStrikesAgain. I posted this on the same topic on Pure Xbox earlier today:
What I will say though is all those believing that the Prime will also have Steam on it, I find difficult to accept, simply because if Microsoft take that step, then people will be completely disincentivised to buy games on the Xbox Store because games can be bought more cheaply on (or for) Steam than it is possible to buy games on the Xbox Store. Two examples right now are you can buy Split Fiction for for the Xbox on CDKeys for £34.99 whereas it is £31.99 for Steam. When it comes to first-party games, the Premium Edition of Avowed is £71.99 for the Xbox, and £63.99 for Steam.
Those two games are £44.99 (though you can get a 10% discount if you have Game Pass Ultimate) and £89.99 respectively on the actual Xbox Store, so you can see that not only will people wise up and buy through sites such as CDkeys, but why would you even buy the game on the Xbox at all when it is cheaper to buy it on Steam, where of course Valve and CdKeys will be taking a cut?
Essentially, if Microsoft do take this path and create what is to all intent and purpose a PC, then it would cost them billions in lost sales in software, and would be yet another massive act of self-harm. So yes, they would probably do this...
I am still of the belief that only about now are halfway into the life time of PS5 before the PS6 eventually comes.
Edit
Wow, a standalone handheld that takes over from where Series S let off is a great idea!
A premium PC-like console sounds awesome. It will be able to play everything, including your entire PS library in one way or another, I'd imagine. Will it also be compatible with PSVR2?
Some very exciting news, a real bombshell.
I choose to get PS6 in the future than getting next XBOX machine.
XBOX brand is dead in my country Indonesia.
consoles are already PCs “in essence” . They don’t have unique CPUs & GPUs anymore (i think?)
@Anthony_Daniels yea , and it’s unfortunate because M$ gave $ony some really good competition. The xbox one ruined xbox forever
@wildcat_kickz Yes, the 360 uses PowerPc, much like GameCube/Wii and of course Cell is a custom PPC too.
Before the actual finished hardware spec was available Microsoft bought a couple of pallets of G5’s in 2003 and used them for initial development. Even when the console was announced and had a retail design shown off the actual demos were run on those Macs.
A contractor took a photo of them being unloaded and posted them on his blog, before promptly getting fired.
When the proper devkits were created they wiped the machines and sold them to staff.
Ain't this what Xbox have been since, like, OG Xbox?
Hells, even their marketing team advertises every Xbox hardware release with something along the lines of "the power of PC in your living room".
@Deljo Haven't tried that one, but I have a Lenovo Legion Go for about a week. Too many bugs and weird little problems. Steam Deck seems like more of a streamlined experience, but not everything I might want to play from Steam is compatible.
The goal: A user friendly console with the power of PC to make PC-like gaming more accessible for the living room.
The reality: an expensive console with the reliability of Windows based gaming and a dwindling user base because everyone already bought a PlayStation to play your games
I'm all for it being a success because I like accessible gaming tech that pushes graphics and performance, but you have to think there is a strong possibility of it going t*ts up 😬
It will mean nothing for ps, it will still outsell whatever microsoft brings out , to late now for that dead console, no matter whether it's running off windows or the Infinity stones.
Another one of the most powerful consoles ever you people been doing this for a long time and ot hasn't worked yet 😅
@Fiendish-Beaver why is it so hard to believe that the next Xbox could have Steam. Making the Xbox OS open & fully licensed to OEMs could do to gaming what Android did to mobile.
So like a Steam Machine then? That didn’t work out too well, but it wasn’t a bad idea. Maybe the time is right to try again.
You are giving a report by Jez Corden (a notorious liar with very little evidence backing him up both historically and on this claim) way too much credit.
I’m all for it - especially if Microsoft makes a “Windows for Gaming” variant for any PC.
It would be great to have a PC-based (i.e not a closed architecture like a console) Windows that solely runs games.
The only “complexity” would be integration with Steam, GOG, Epic, and Microsoft Store (not that many would use that).
Updates would be relegated to driver updates and smaller OS stability/security improvements.
It would be a huge win for PC gamers as they have been hoping for better gaming support from Windows for years now.
Would be great to use darn-near 100% of resources towards games.
As long as its easy to use, easy to connect to a tv, has controllers as primary input devices, and has access to gamepass i dont really care whats under the hood.
For consoles i just want to hit a controller button to power on and go. No additional steps.
I really hope the next iteration of consoles just support mouse and keyboard right out of the gate. At this point allowing people to play with what ever they want to play with should just be a standard practice.
@GymratAmarillo Pretty much. If Sony wants to stop it from happening they can. They can also just require a key verification or account verification. PS titles aren't coming to Xbox unless Sony wants them to and i don't think they do.
Who cares the next xbox is already setting itself up for failure just because their strat is to go all in on games pass
@LogicStrikesAgain Yeah PC games are cheaper in general and that why myself and other have been highly sceptical of this PC / Console hybrid talk for a while. Steam would pretty quickly make their own store obselete and also introduce a whole host of issues that PC games have.
I am currently replaying the Borderlands games and Borderlands 2 on Steam is wonky until you edit some files as it falls over when the resolution is set to higher than is normally allows. The game is only 12 years old but its pretty common for PC games to require these sort of tweaks when they get older or windows get updated so I genuinely do not see how a Windows console would be in any way better than a traditional console.
I still doubt we would ever see a console that can just play windows versions, and if we do It will be a steam machine and not a Xbox
@GymratAmarillo Yup, I have never understood why people think Sony can't just stop a silly workaround if they want. If they don't want the games on the competition it will simply not happen.
@GymratAmarillo @Ilyn they aren’t quite the same situation. Cloud streaming requires the publisher to allow their games in, Sony didn’t want them in, so they were blocked. They were easily able to opt-out.
But there is currently no way to opt out of your Steam games running NATIVELY on just some specific PC hardware. If they are sold on Steam the game will run on any platform that runs Steam whether that’s a full PC a Steam Deck, RoG Ally… or yes potentially an Xbox PC (if it runs Steam) as long as it’s powerful enough.
Of course Sony could try to negotiate some sort of limit with Valve but it’s unlikely Valve would allow it, which would leave Sony with two choices:
1. don’t publish on Steam/PC at all (unlikely)
2. Try something dirty like trying to detect Xbox hardware and having code in the game to block it or run it poorly (probably against Steam’s ToS)
@themightyant
actually if you read the Destiny 2 Steam Guide, in the SteamDeck section says "Players who attempt to launch Destiny 2 on the Steam Deck through SteamOS or Proton will be unable to enter the game and will be returned to their game library after a short time. Players who are not accessing Destiny 2 through Windows and attempt to bypass the SteamOS/Proton incompatibility will be met with a game ban". This is important for the following reasons:
1.- This isn't just a "we apologize but the anticheat doesn't work on Linux based OS", Bungie intentionally decided for Destiny 2 to not run on SteamOS so technically they are opting to block the game in specific hardware.
2.- Bungie is threatening to ban you if you bypass the incompatibility so it isn't as dirty as it sounds or against the rules if Sony decides to do something similar.
3.-Connected with #2 Bungie as a publisher doesn't have any problem with Valve for their decision.
Obviously the scenario of this news is different because the xbox OS is basically Windows but there is already a precedent.
Now as a developer myself I think this is way more simple than how it sounds. Valve has to have some kind of indication assigned to know from where Steam is being used, making an internal difference for pc, steamdeck, rog, etc. This matters because data is very important for big companies. For xbox to have a native Steam app they have to work with Valve so Valve will also assign an indicator to the app on xbox. The only thing Valve needs to do is indicate that certain games can't be accessed from the Xbox's Steam app using the assigned indicator, that's it. This is business so obviously Valve is not going to do it just because they are the good guys, there has to be a negotiation but it shouldn't be hard and if they don't want to do it themselves then they can give that indicator to Sony so they block it from their software and as I said in the first part of my comment is not dirty or against the rules because it already is happening and Valve allows it lol.
@Drago201 I'm sure another generation of no exclusives is going to pay off for them this time.
@GymratAmarillo You are right that certain games that include anti-cheat or other Windows kernel based software can't be played on certain devices. Usually Linux / Steam OS / Proton, but CRUCIALLY this doesn't apply to Windows devices like ROG Ally... or Steam Deck running Windows. Xbox would reportedly be a Windows device.
To the best of my knowledge there aren't any games that specifically aren't able to run on a piece of hardware that runs Steam on Windows natively, which was my point.
(EDIT) While i'm sure it's technically possible for Valve to blacklist some hardware, it would open up a huge can of worms that isn't in their best interest. Valve play hardball and like to be as open as possible. Sony is pretty inconsequential to Valve, they have almost no bargaining power with them, it's Sony that wants to make money off Steam. Anything is possible but it seems unlikely to me Valve would kowtow to Sony on this.
Besides I think Sony wouldn't actually mind publishing on Xbox, several months/years later. The trouble they have is the optics of it. If they were to directly publish on Xbox many fans would complain, but if it's just Xbox is a PC, I think they would weather that storm and ultimately profit from it. It's the way much of the industry is heading anyway.
If this is the case, it should. At least be upgradable to a certain degree. Plug in modules of some sort. At least to give it a mid cycle upgrade instead of paying out ridiculous prices for the likes of PS pro.
@themightyant I think it will be closer to a PC, But at the same time still not a PC. If they had steam, which is not confirmed, then games would still require work. A flag would likely need to be enabled for compatibility, much like the deck does currently. So as I see it they could just stop short of that final step.
However I still don't think it will be a full PC under your TV because at that point Xbox brand has very little value. You would be better just going to a custom builder like Scan and getting a better machine for your living room, with a much better warrenty and the ability to upgrade in future.
If I was Sony I would stop porting games to steam or come up with their own PC launcher.
So I will be able to play not only my whole Xbox library, but also PC only games and PlayStation PC ports?
Sign me up...
@UltimateOtaku91 Please. It's not like PS PC ports are igniting world on fire in terms of popularity. And PC gamers clearly showed that they are unwilling to move from Steam. Everybody gets it now and even EA, Blizzard, Activision and Ubisoft came crawling back to Steam.
So if Sony will even entertain an idea to move away from Steam it would be wiser to just cancel PC ports entirely, because releasing them would not make any sense.
@UltimateOtaku91 Good luck with that one.
@Ilyn I believe the benefits they will offer over a normal Windows PC will include:
1. It will allow playing your old Xbox library AND PC games.
2. Convenience of consoles is important. It will have a friendly Console like UI, similar to Switch/Steam Deck and automate a lot of the more complex PC stuff, or hide it.
3. Fixed PC hardware (like Steam Deck) means you can download precompiled shaders and DEVS can optimise for that specific hardware, unlike normal PC which requires PLAYERS to optimise settings and wait to compile shaders etc.
4. They will make it as easy as possible to just pick up and play on whatever device you want to play on. Almost everything is an Xbox
All of those just make it more convenient than a PC, far more "Pick-up and Play", likely at a lower cost for a well balanced system.
Makes me wonder what exactly Sony have “won” with the console war.
The future may well be PC-based devices with fully open stores systems where users are free to access and purchase titles from Xbox, Steam, Epic etc store fronts.
Makes you wonder where this could leave the likes of Sony. Especially if bodies like the EU start clamping down harder on the likes of Sony and Apple whose devices actively block competition and rig against the consumer.
Sony may have won in a market/model that has no future. Their walled garden could be like AOL’s system in the early Internet days and going the same way…
@Cornpop76 Indeed. I think Microsoft it playing the long game here and are well placed to carve out their own tranche of the gaming pie.
But I also don't see Sony's market share significantly decreasing any time soon. I honestly think there is enough room for both to thrive and "win" in their own ways, just as Nintendo have done.
What most gamers don't understand is the real competition in gaming isn't each other, it's TikTok, YouTube, Netflix and anything else that significantly eats up your time.
@Cornpop76 I had that same thought for months now. Apple being forced to allow alternate storefronts, makes me think the EU might make Sony do the same too.
Man, i hope this is true. Would love a steam/xbox console. Don't think I'd have the need for a PS6 with its closed system then. And these days most games are coming to steam anyway.
If the next Xbox really runs Steam , EGS, Xbox games and PC ports of PlayStation games, then it ll make me consider getting 1 for sure. That would mean access to way more games and a lot cheaper, not only because of Steam prices but also with stuff like Humble Bundle and Prime Gaming.
If the next xbox it just going to be a PC u can't upgrade, then would just make more sense to stick a PC under the TV. At least then it's upgradable.
@Cornpop76 @11001100110zero The store front thing might happen, but not for a while I don't think. There is a world of difference between a mobile phone / pocket PC that is seen as a basic human right and a console which is a luxury entertainment system.
While it might seem pro-consumer it would open up a whole can of worms. Consoles would no longer be able to be subsidised by game sales and would likely cost a lot more and have to be sold at a profit. It's one of those "be careful what you wish for" things.
I think more likely they will have to reduce their cut from 30%, maybe to 15%, than allow other stores.
Windows on a console... no thank you.
@themightyant
RE your last comment - I 2nd your 'be careful what you wish for' - things like this have a habit of spectacularly backfiring on the people who think they want it!
You can only hope that Valve get SteamOS released in a platform agnostic version way before MS get into the market. Otherwise that'lll be another one dragged down by the sheer weight of corporate sludge.
Microsoft may finally achieve the ‘dream’ of the Nuon and create not a console but a chipset that can be integrated into a variety of 3rd party devices. This would mean you’d be able to buy an ‘Xbox’ from ASUS or some sort. I could see them allowing 3rd party store access as a Trojan horse to get Sony’s PC titles on Xbox platforms.
Unless it’s primarily a streaming platform a handheld Xbox will be terrible. Games will have to be properly ported over like they will on Switch 2 for ARM compatibility. Anyone launching an x86 handheld will have about 30 minutes of battery life.
I've been saying for years that Series X/S will be the last Xbox consoles as we know them. Not saying this report proves me right, but it doesn't prove me wrong either.
@Rich33 100% Rule of unintended consequences is strong!
Look at the number of Xbox only players who were gloating about ABK, Bethesda etc. and thought they were getting a lot of exclusives and securing Xbox, the console's, future. Now a lot are worried about that console as everything becomes an Xbox and it all goes multiplatform.
Xbox have always been good at backwards compatibility it's the only place you can play ssx3 in 4k and if they started releasing more older games I would probably get an Xbox but at the moment there is literally no reason to upgrade my Xbox One x
@Rich33 it will need an update every time you turn it on
Xbox as already committed to a next generation, and Jez confirmed that. And if true you can play Playstation games to on the device.
@Nalim The amount of free games I have gotten from Prime Gaming, Epic Store free titles, and the occasional Giveaway from GOG is insane.
Humble Bundle has been a great source of games as well. I got the entire Resident Evil franchise (except RE4 Remake) for like $30. I got the entire Dark Pictures Anthology for about the same price.
Throw in things like Green Man Gaming, CD Keys, and Fanatical, and there is no shortage of awesome deals for games on the PC side.
Closer to Windows than ever 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
If this isn't incredibly user friendly (casual) and ridiculously well priced, or incredibly powerful yet still small in form, then the market share will just decrease again, right? (Most of your Xbox userbase chose the cheap series S, remember) and people can still buy/build an actual PC however they want it, and people that are wanting a premium console experience are already on PlayStation.
It's going to have to be absolute perfection and take all of the negatives from PC gaming away to appeal to console users. And what happens to those who did choose the Series S? They aren't interested in premium options, so are you leaving them dead in the water?
look, the current xbox consoles are hitting their peak at just 30m units sold. i imagine that a future xbox console/pc hybrid will sell only half of that. this is a last ditch effort for microsoft and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. sure, give it a try, but how loyal do you think the casual xbox community is? they expect a "console" experience and when they realize this is clearly not that, there is going to be a lot of disappointment and yet more bad PR for the company. this appears to be a transitional phase for microsoft, before they pull out of hardware entirely and become a sega equivalent. until then, continue to waste your money releasing hardware nobody is going to buy, i suppose.
Okay, @cragis0001, I agree, the utopia of one console that does it all in a similar manner to a smart phone, is one we would all love to see. However, two things need to be remembered when thinking of this;
1. You can get a [em]dumb[/b] phone for £30 or less, that litterally only makes calls and sends texts. If you want a smart phone, you are looking at over £1000. So now translate that to a PC like console, and you can see that it will not be cheap.
2. Microsoft are in the business of making as much money as is possible. That is their quintessential philosophy in one. So, why would Microsoft want to only receive 70% of the money they make on every games they sell, and not 100%? Microsoft have taken that hit in selling their games on the PlayStation not as some sort of act of benevolence, but because they have had to due to some prior poor decision making. To have Steam on the Prime would be an incredible act of self-harm. People simply would not be buying games on the Xbox Store, but instead either on Steam directly, or via third-party companies such as CDKeys. When it comes to a company like CDKeys, I am uncertain who pays them for each game they sell, or how much they get paid. Microsoft undoubtedly pay CDKeys a percentage of each first-party game sold when that game is for the Xbox console. Whether Microsoft pay CDKeys for each first-party game sold when that game is to be played on Steam, I do not know, but if that is the case, then not only do they pay Steam 30% for the privilege of allowing their games to be played on Steam, but they would also be paying CDKeys for them having sold the game code too, and of course, CDKeys is selling that game at a reduced price, when compared to Microsoft's own store front. You are literally looking at a situation wherein Microsoft are receiving potentially close to just 50% of what they can achieve by selling the game directly on their store front.
So, if you take the Premium Edition of Avowed as an example; when sold directly on the Xbox Store, Microsoft receive £90.00 for each sale. However, when that game is sold via CDKeys, the game is being sold at a discounted £72.00, which is a 20% discount, but it then has to be remembered that Microsoft are paying something to CDKeys to sell the game. I have no idea how much that would be, but clearly, Microsoft is already receiving less than 80% of the amount they receive when selling the game directly via their own store front. So, in the case of Avowed they will be receiving less than £72.00 for a game they could have sold for £90.00.
It get's even worse though when it comes to Steam; when Microsoft sells a game directly on Steam, they pay Valve 30% for the privilege. So, for a game that sells for £90.00 on Steam, such as Avowed, Microsoft actually receive just £63.00. However, Avowed is selling for £64.00 for Steam on CDKeys. Truthfully, I don't know what happens next; do Steam take a 30% cut of that game from Microsoft, meaning that Microsoft receive just £45.00 for that game they could have received £90.00 for if sold directly on their store front? Or, do CDKeys get some money for selling the game at £64.00, meaning that regardless, Microsoft get less than £64.00 for that game?
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So, to sum up, @cragis0001, that is why I struggle to believe that Microsoft will include Steam on their new console. Microsoft were already selling their games on Steam, and so they have already accepted that loss of revenue, and when it came to selling their games on the PlayStation, 70% was an acceptable necessity. It was that, or sell so few copies of their games that they would struggle to be profitable enough to actually make them. However, the thing that needs to be remembered is that people buy their games on the Xbox have no choice, and so Microsoft receive that 100% of revenue. Put Steam on the Prime and you give people choice, and Microsoft will cease to receive that 100% of revenue. It is as simple as that...
@Porco By that point it doesn't even need to hit 20 mil.
Essentially, instalbase is important now, because when you will go too low, devs will stop porting games to your platform. Which is worry currently, because Xbox is closed ecosystem.
If next Xbox console is PC hybrid, you don't need huge instalbase, because devs will be essentially creating PC version of XYZ games and then maybe shipping it on Xbox Store and maybe adding achievements. So there will be practically no cost associated with creating Xbox version.
It's Microsoft Surface analogy. Microsoft creates Surface devices, but they are not only way to get into Windows ecosystem. Does Microsoft care about sales of Surface? Yes. Is it existential for them to be "best selling hardware?" Nope.
The device will be a Xbox using the windows kernel for it’s Xbox os like we have now. But it will be able to boot up full windows 11 and run Word, Excel and yes even Steam and Epic games store. Most gamers will use the Xbox store cause it will be the console like experience, the normal plug and play we are used too. This device has massive potential. It would be great for some students to have in a dorm. Hook it up to your TV and play COD. Then take it to your room and plug it into your monitor and do your homework. Hence it’s a console/PC hybrid in name and use.
I've been saying this for a while; that the next gen consoles are going to be optimized PCs.
Because really, that's still what they are now, except they are very limited on what you can actually do with them PC-wise.
I think the only way Xbox can make a major comeback is if their new console either is more powerful than the PS6, or if it can install Steam.
I see the Steam Deck as a console, no different from the Switch but it is ALSO a pc. I believe the next xbox will follow suit, and perhaps feature other things like individually upgradable graphics cards.
This is all about the details. Consoles already are 'essentially PCs'. The question is all about exactly what they do that is more PC like.
Running windows would be big. But even then how locked down is it? What's the interface like? Is this the only 'Xbox'? Are they going to do time exclusives?
There are variations of a "console for your TV" that I'd be very interested in. But if so I want access to Steam and mods, and it has to work well with a controller.
Not sure I understand why the headline says that PS6 may be the only high-end console. Why couldn’t a console that’s closer to Windows also be high-end? And MS is committed to backwards compatibility so it still will be operating as a console as well. It’s not going to be fully PC but it most definitely could and likely will be “high-end” so the headline is odd and misleading at best.
Please stop using that Sammy Barker lame console war graphic.
Do I can choose between a Sony console or a Microsoft console/PC 2in1 combo and somehow Sony is supposed to be the better deal? Steam deals alone would save you 1k per year if you're a serious gamer (probably closer to a couple hundred buy still)
First Xbox is basically a 'DellPCInABox' with a beefed up graphics card and a few extra ports.
Perhaps Microsoft are on to something here - why don't they just produce a line of PCs which are 'Xbox spec' and allow you to up the CPU & GPU if you want to (a Pro if you like) and make it all plug 'n' play?
And for those who aren't thinking about it, PS4, PS5 and no doubt PS6 will basically be a Unix-PC in a box. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but does make me lament the days of custom chips.
@Fiendish-Beaver I think the utopia of everything on one device is still a pipe dream. Smart phones are the example of they can do everything but they don't excel at any of it. You can have all the microsft office apps on there but aside from emails they are kind of impractical. You can high end game on them but without a controller you get the same problem. You can take photos but for the price of modern phones anyone who likes photos would be better off buying a dslr.
To me they are the handy jack of all trades to carry around, but like the saying master of none, and I feel a hybrid device would end up much the same. You might as well just buy a laptop and HDMI cable.
Xbox is over as a console maker. You can't even get one in most of Europe and the shops don't even list them for sale. Asia less said about Xbox the better. And USA, it's gonna follow in no Xbox consoles. It's just gonna be 3rd party handhelds with the Xbox game pass app
@themightyant
Lol - I was going to include that as an example but ran out of time! "Xbox has won the console wars!!... oh, thats not what we expected..."
Theres a reason we have phrases including cans of worms, and kicking hornet nests, and rocking of boats etc
@Dampsponge
Worse than that - 2 years after launch they stop supporting that version of Windows while telling you your device doesnt support the next version!
Everyone goes on about game / console preservation these days, well here is a real preservation killer!
Look at the amount of kids playing Roblox, Minecraft and fortnite the next generation of gamers don't really care for photo realistic games
If new xbox is able to run and play gog.com then I don't need anything else in my life.
Colour me excited
Just give me Switch 2, tyvm. 😁
@themightyant you know what is funny about the good ol "Valve doesn't need Sony, Sony needs Valve" argument often used to imply superiority?
That in 2022 Valve literally changed the way content drops in DOTA 2 through the year because the prize pool for The International was going too high and they gave away 38 million for the players in 2021. Why a company that makes billions every year (net income no revenue) cared so much about giving away 38 million when people literally buy stuff to contribute money for the TI players?
Because there is no such thing as "inconsequential" money for big companies LOL. Helldivers alone made around 100 million for Valve in 2024, when one of your sellers makes that kind of money for you if that seller wants to talk you listen, doesn't matter if you are the god and savior of the industry in the internet eyes, money is money.
GymratAmarillo wrote:
True… but only to a point. Valve would have to weight up potentially letting EVERY publisher decide what Steam hardware can be used for their games, that devalues Steam too much. I don’t believe they will do that for Sony, as it opens up a whole can of worms for them. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
At the end of the day I think Sony needs Valve, more than Valve needs Sony going forward, Valve will know this and be willing to stand their ground and say No.
@KoopaTheGamer it won't be more affordable. It will always be more affordable, better abd more interesting to build your own
It's a slightly disingenuous headline. Whatever the nuts and bolts of the next Xbox, it will still be a next gen console.
Especially as consoles now use mainly off the shelf parts compared to a few generations ago.
It's funny how all of these rumours about PC in a box and partnerships with Asus (and possibly others) regarding hardware are flying around now.
I said this exact thing would happen, on this very site, around a year or so ago. 😂
I wouldn't need this. Have a high-end PC for sim racing and other 4k/1440p gaming on triple OLED's. PlayStation consoles are for the couch/bed gaming.
@Fiendish-Beaver there is more to it though. As if the next Xbox is an all digital system. They will be under the same scrutiny as Apple & Google have recently fallen fowl to under the Digital Markets Act in the EU. Even Sony has had a few lawsuits over pricing & not selling game cards outside of its Playstation store.
That will be interesting for certain, @cragis0001. I think Microsoft will either provide a console with a disc-drive, have one that is attachable, or make it so that one can be connected, which would probably circumnavigate the all digital issue...
would be funny if it could install steam on it and play PlayStation titles, i wonder if sony would stop releasing their on games on steam if that happened
@Fiendish-Beaver I agree. Playstation making the disc drive modular was pure genius. 3rd party disc drive could be a possibility for the next Xbox or OEM.
@Fiendish-Beaver to be fair look at the price of the PS5 Pro. Console aren't getting cheaper either. Plus the latest 2025 Steam hardware survey shows the bulk of gamers still use mid to low end hardware. So their is a market to be had if they can hit the sweet spot in price with a relatively descent spec.
Microsoft's new philosophy of putting the games where the gamer is. Will bring in more money in the long run even if the bulk is 70%. I'm pretty sure the hybrid Xbox will be all digital. Hence opening of the eco system to rivals to avoid similar problems Amazon, Apple, Google & even Microsoft themselves have had with the EU's Digital Markets Act. Microsoft is looking at releasing a mobile store. They will soon allow purchased games via the Xbox & Windows store to be playable from the cloud on any online & Bluetooth device. So they'd get high revenue streams from those users. Which could off set revenue loss from rival stores on Xbox hardware.
I also asked people I know. If Xbox put Steam on the platform would they use it? Most weren't interested if it was an optional download. These were mostly younger people. A handful of people my age in their 40's said they'd definitely use it. Others said it depends what's already on the box when purchased. So I got a mixed result from those who I asked.
It's amazing with all of the new Xbox/Steam rumours over the last couple of days that this site has decided to go completely silent. Recently it seems most of the articles have been Xbox focussed.
Also no mention of the fact that none of the most played PS5 games in the US over the last month were from PlayStation studios. 🤔
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