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@Porco warped perspective? It’s a game man, no one in the general fandom talks about diddling kids. The people that do are regularly shunned and kicked out because we (as in the community) all know the difference between lewding a fictional exaggerated character and someone trying to be the next Jared Fogel. Trust me Senran Kagura fans do not like or accept pedophiles any more than your average person off the street.

@Porco I’ve been playing Senran for years and have at no point focused on any of the characters ages, this is true for the Senran community in general. The only people I see constantly talking about diddling kids is the people who don’t play Senran.

@Royalblues yeah no. Stay away from the games I enjoy and leave them be. Don’t like them? Don’t play them, it’s as simple as that. They don’t hurt anyone and all getting rid of them is going to do is piss off fans of the fan service game genre.

@Jriibz First, I’m defending Senran Kagura becuase its a game series I like and I don’t appreciate people who have never played them trying to convince others it promotes harm towards children. I’m not even sure where you got the idea I was a “gamergater.” I’m simply just a fan of a game series, nothing more nothing less.

Second, child erotism has never been a selling point for the series and you would know that if you had actually played any of these games. 3D boobs and butts are why the series was created and is it’s biggest selling point, not anyone’s age. If the next game had a 5 year time skip the fans would be fine with it becuase, like i said, age is not what they are playing for.

Thirdly, Fallout 76 is a shallow Fallout 4 asset flip that Bethesda should be ashamed of selling for $60-$200. It should have never released in the broken, buggy state it did. But hey that’s a completely different subject.

@Jriibz and I want to make it clear I am not putting you down for being a pre-teen, I just remember what it’s like being that age and it certainly explains you’re viewpoint.

@Jriibz it’s light hearted titilation, relax.
You also keep railing on about their ages, but I’d argue that their ages don’t matter. Why? Because their ages are not the focus of the series or gameplay. If the creators bumped up the ages of all the characters by 2 it would change absolutely nothing as it’s not what fans are focused on. Their focused on how cute their favorite character is, they’re focused on how cool someone’s particular fighting style is, hell a lot of us just like the stories that the games tell and if you actually played Senran you’d know what I’m talking about.

No one is being exploited, no one is being hurt. The fans are also upset because something they enjoy is being censored out of the blue for seemingly no reason.

The intimacy mode isn’t what makes Senran fun and you’d know that if you actually played the games. It’s a harmless mini game that’s been in all previous releases that is there if you want to use it, but it’s never been a requirement to enjoy the full package. People are upset that something they like is being needlessly changed, which is understandable.

What does people calling out Fallout 76 for being shallow have anything to do with a completely unrelated game being censored? I don’t see the correlation. Also why do you keep bringing up slapping crying children? What kind of have games have YOU been playing because that isn’t what Senran Kagura is about at all.

Wait wait so you’re a pre-teen? Oh my god this whole string of comments makes so much more sense now.

@Jriibz who’s are you referring to when you mention people who are angry? The fans? Non fans? Just looking for clarification.

Violence, like sexual themes, have been on blast on for years and they are related as I’ve seen the same arguments get used in regards to both. Sure Hitman punishes you when you get caught doing something and sure Senran doesn’t really punish you for doing stuff in the dressing room, but your not really rewarded for it either. It just kind of exists for you to screw around with if you want to. On that note what mind set by the way are referring too? That you can do what you want to someone without repercussion?

Please don’t ever assume such terrible things about an individual. Calling someone a child predator is not something you should be laying down so causally, especially when you don’t know who that person is or what they are like. For all you know they could have been a victim of very thing you are accusing them of.

@Jriibz how am I trying to straw man you? You said something, I read it, I then responded to it. What more do you want from me?

So I slapped the butt of a fictional anime 15 year old....why wouldn’t I be able to say that with a straight face? It’s a game, it’s not real and I know not it’s real so what do I care? Let me put it this way, it bothers me about as much as gunning down a crowd of people in Hitman bothers me. It’s fiction, it’s not real. You also seem to be under the impression that people play these games for the ages of the characters which really isn’t true. People play Senran becuase it’s a cute anime girl ninja beat ‘em up game where each character has there own appearance, personality and fighting style/weapon. The age as I’ve said isn’t what people are focusing on, like I’ve also said it’s just flavor text.

“It portrays how fun it is and provides points without showing any repercussions.”
Portrays how fun what is? Grabbing an anime girls butt? So what you’re saying is that by grabbing an anime girls butt in a game someone will be inspired to molest real life actual children?

@Jriibz “These things are illegal in UK but are a grey area in USA cause if the First Amendment.”
^I did read it, you said they were illegal. Not sure what part I misread exactly.

And so what you’re saying is that Senran hasn’t been banned because it follows the law? I’m honestly getting the feeling that if I told you their ages where 18+ (which most of the cast looks like) you’d still have an axe to grind.

Ok so explain to me how slapping the butt of an anime girl is glorifying molesting children becuase I’m honestly not seeing how one immediately leads to the other.

@Rudy_Manchego it’s just a very frustrating situation for fans of stuff like this sadly.

@Jriibz since when has Senran Kagura been illegal in the UK? Estival, Peach, and Reflextions (the most recent 3)all have a PEGI rating of 16 and are still for sale just like the US. I’m not really sure where you pulling that information from. And yeah it is protected by the first amendment, it’s not child pornography.

You keep bringing up how you believe Senran Kagura glorifies molesting children, but your not giving me any examples of HOW you see it glorifying it. The groping mini game? Listen I can see why it’d be weird to people who don’t play it, but it’s literally a mini game where you slap an incredibly busty anime girls butt or boobs. Is it a weird mode? Sure, but it’s just some dumb fun. It does not support going out into the REAL world and grabbing someone’s kid. Hell the Senran cast don’t even look their age, just look at Asuka, Yumi, Homura, or Miyabi and you’d see what I mean.

@Jriibz is child molestation legal in the United States? Can I buy child pornography or watch it without being arrested? The answer is no.

Did the ESRB rate this game? Yes, it is rated M for mature. Can I buy the games at GameStop? Yes, I bought Peach Beach Splash and Estival in person at a store. Does Walmart.com sell the manga of Senran Kagura? Yes, I’m fact I bought the first volume from their site.

What am I getting at? Child molestation is illegal in the United States. If something promotes it, encourages it, or displays child pornography it is banned and the creators are imprisoned. The fact that I can go to a store in the US (or through their online shops) and buy these kinds of games is all the evidence I need to know whether or not these products are promoting something as obscene as child molestation. Not to mention I’ve played the games myself, it’s your standard ecchi game romp. It does not promote going out and molestiing children.

@Jriibz so your arguement is that Senran Kagura glorifies child pornography? You’ve obviously never played the games then if that’s what you think they are about.

And I’m here arguing reality and fiction because there is a clear difference between a person in real life and an anime character.

@Rudy_Manchego no worries man, it’s all good. I just don’t think there is necessarily anything wrong with portraying characters as school girls, I think it’s just another cliche back drop that is used to ground a setting. Keep in mind I’ve been watching anime for quite some time and my brain has anime characters and real life people in two separate categories.

@Jriibz and why can’t they specify their ages? It’s fictional people in a fictional setting, i think it’s fair game to set the stage the way you want.

As far as otakus go I think you’re generalizing quite a bit. Yes I’m sure that there are otakus out there that are pedophiles, just like there are pedophiles sitting in all aspects of society (hello Jared and Kevin Spacey). I don’t its right to throw an entire group, otakus in this case, under the bus along with the bad eggs who have slipped in. Even amongst the hardcore lolicon community pedophiles are shamed and ridiculed as their is a clear difference between reality and fiction.

Yes I’ve heard of them getting arrested, but what were they arrested for? Having actual child pornography (something that actually harms children) not Senran Kagura and Highschool DxD.

@Rudy_Manchego alright I’m a bit confused, what do you mean by “why do they look and act like that?” Look and act like what exactly?

@Jriibz their ages are quite literally just the back drop for the setting as they are Shinobi students training to become full fledged Shinobi, but even then what’s focused on is the fact that they are Shinobi-in-training not their ages. And who exactly are you claiming is designed to look like a child? Mirai? She’s about the only one, maybe other than Ryōbi, that that doesn’t look like a 20 year old.

@Rudy_Manchego thing is though they are not underage children, they are video game characters. You can argue that they have set ages, but the thing is they do not look remotely realistic, nor do they sound it. These characters ages are literally background flavor to set the stage and nothing more.

@get2sammyb “slap the tits of sobbing teenagers”
^What game is this supposed to be? Senran? I can’t remember any part of the game where their bawling their eyes out about anything (other than when they are talking to their dead loved ones).

@MadAussieBloke There games man, pretty sure your family has nothing to fear from them. Unless your family is comprised of 2D people that is.

This whole situation just makes me sad. I understand not liking something, but outright wishing for it to disappear just because you don’t like it is not a mindset anyone should be in. The fan service games do not promote pedophilia and they do not harm anyone as the ESRB would have never greenlighted them if they did and the devs would have been jailed. Hell what makes me even sadder is that you can tell a good chunk of the people in comments have never even actually played Senran Kagura, but here they are acting like their experts on everything in them.

@MadAussieBloke ok?

@Jriibz as gamers we should be standing together regardless of whether or not we enjoy a particular game. Just makes me sad to see gamers throwing each other to wolves over game taste.

@Lando_ it’s linked though. A Japanese dev should be able to put “boob softening gel” in their game without being hassled as it’s just harmless fun.

@Flaming_Kaiser I say just let people play what they want to play, let them be the judge.

@JJ2 with how Sony is treating Japanese devs now I think the outrage is justified.

@Porco if you don’t like these kinds of games why not do the mature thing and just let the people that like them play them? I just don’t understand the “If I don’t like it, it shouldn’t exist period” arguement. Like you don’t like playing them, that’s cool dude, but many people do and it doesn’t hurt anyone.