The reason I loved RDR1 was because of the story, the protagonist, and the unique (at the time) open world. All the online mumbo-jumbo was okay, but not what made it great. Here’s hoping that they focus on the narrative and keep a strong story as the backdrop or I’ll be disappointed, no matter how well fleshed out the open world and online integrated gameplay is.
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@Th3solution the story in RDR was ok overall, it had moments of greatness but was weak in areas and also pretty disjointed (which I expect RDR2 will be, too, give most open world games feel this way and GTA5 was pretty bad in that department).
What really kept me playing if I'm honest was the little things, like the great music, fun and engaging gunplay (I spent ages just shooting birds out the sky) and the beautiful night skies.
@kyleforrester87 The ending I guess is what escalated the story for me. I know that RDR is not the only game where the protagonist dies at the end, but the way Marston spent the game trying to clear himself of his dark past, protect his family, and was caught in a no-win situation made the impact of his demise so strong to me. I had really connected with Marston and I felt the ethical struggle within. When he dies defending his family it really left me speechless. Then the epilogue where you get to play as his son and gain revenge was just the exact closure I needed.
So my concern is that RDR2 seems to be just all about being an outlaw and creating havoc for mischief’s sake. The only motivation for killing and plundering is just because you’re a criminal. That doesn’t interest me at all. I hope I’m wrong though and that Arthur is actually a well developed character with some sort of moral compass at least. I’m all for creating chaos in a game and shooting things up, but I have to be able to relate to the character at least a little bit. Cuz, ya know, I’m not actually a jerk who will rob, steal, and plunder for no reason 😋
The trailer does allude to the fact your decisions affect the world, so hopefully I can be that “virtuous criminal” (how’s that for an oxymoron 😆) like Marston, Kiryu in Yakuza, ...Robin Hood, etc.
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@Kidfried The point I was making though was that some games, regardless of how little is known at the time, will automatically have a LOT of hype surrounding them. Death Stranding for example had a LOT of hype just because its Kojima and Last of Us 2 automatically had hype the moment it was actually revealed - again a long time before anyone had seen game-play, no idea of story etc. Its also no different from hype surrounding Elder Scrolls 6 either without knowing anything - just because its an Elder Scrolls game.
If there was an announcement for Agents of MAYHEM 2, I doubt very much that anyone would be excited and, if anyone was interested, I bet they will want to see game-play and find out what, if anything, was being done to improve the game from its original.
The team that made the original Red Dead Redemption (which wasn't the first game in the franchise anyway) may not be 'solely' making RDR2 as this is being made by ALL Rockstar Studios collaboratively. As I said, its also a follow up (even if its a prequel, not a sequel) to a Game of the Year winner, one of the generations best selling and for many, one of, if not their favourite game from that era.
I know Cowboy games are not everyone's favourite genre and RDR was limited a bit by the technology of the day. A lot has changed in 8yrs - not just hardware but also expectation from open-world games - things like side quests and activities not being 'fillers' but meaningful. Some people can't get into big open world games either because of time limitations for example or find that the less structured approach to story telling affects the flow. By that I mean its not a constant narrative progression like linear games and getting side-tracked by quests, activities doesn't help either for some people. I know I struggled to remember where I was in in the main story in some games - especially when my gaming time was more limited - it could be 'weeks' before I try and pick up the main story again in some games.
I do understand why some may not be 'hyped' and I can appreciate that not everyone will be interested in RDR2 but I totally understand why there was and is a lot of hype surrounding this - even before any real information or game-play was revealed. Its no different from people being hyped for Last of Us 2 when all we had was a reveal trailer. Its telling that the industry as a whole are fully expecting the game to be something 'special' and avoiding going up against it - even CoD, which always releases in the first week or two of November, moved their schedule forward to release before RDR2. I am not a fan of GTA (not anymore) but I would still expect their to be a LOT of hype surrounding GTA6. It would be easier to understand if people were questioning why Death Stranding had so much hype considering its a new IP and even now, its not exactly clear what the game is actually offering - its got hype purely because of having Kojima's name attached to it. Games like RDR2 have a legacy, its a follow up to a game of the year after all and is often in lists of the best games of the generation.
I admit that Game-play trailers are not always great in showing how things - other than visuals - have improved or what it offers that we haven't seen before. The information that has been provided alongside these though does make it seem like they are setting new benchmarks for open world games. Spider-Man may well have been 'good' and got hype because its 'Spider-Man' but the open world and game structure is very last gen - whether that's a criticism or not is down to the individual but its not pushing gaming forward or innovating. Again not a criticism unless you think that every game should innovate - even if what they do do, they do well. Gaming hype can be generated from the legacy of prior games (sequels to favourite games, game of the year winners, etc), from Development studios/developers (Naughty Dog, Kojima), characters (Spider-Man, Batman, Avengers) etc so any sequel to an award winning title, games from well loved/respected developers, games with iconic characters etc will have hype before any game-play or much information is revealed - whether it appeals to you or not.
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@Kidfried the title of the game still has Redemption in it, so I think the main story will consider that aspect and give us something worthy of Marstons arc, if not perhaps hitting the same highs I think (or hope) it can be at least more consistent.
@Kidfried@beemo Maybe the standard edition will have a cheap paper map instead of the "exclusive" one they announced for the special edition, that could be similar to the one included with Skyrim.
BTW, the very same map will be downloadable in few days and printing it on canvas or special paper would cost just few dollars...
@Kidfried Pushsquare should add a calendar next to Games colletcion in the profile section. The first week after the release date of a game we marked as "Want" should automatically go red!
@Kidfried I'm slowly boarding the Red Dead Redemption 2 hype train, and am currently debating with myself whether or not I should get it. It doesn't help that if I do I'm fairly busy for the next two weeks, including with my birthday. Sometimes you just can't help it!
@Tjuz My sentiments exactly. I told myself I was going to wait and that there were just too many unknowns. And here I sit, making plans in my brain about whether I should run by Best Buy tomorrow at 9 PM to be one of the first to procure the game, or just wait until Friday. Either way, I’ve been licking the pavement and eating food out of the trash to make myself ill so I can call in sick to work Friday. 😉
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I can confirm there is a map in the standard physical edition. Just saw it in someones you tube unboxing vid. That probably means the other editions will either have 2 maps,or a better map.
@Kidfried No, it’s the same here — there used to be a lot of midnight launches for the big releaes and places like GameStop would make a little event if it. Like they would have a midnight release and I remember a few times they would have like pizza and music playing, like a little party leading up for people as they waited for midnight to hit. They haven’t really done that in quite a while. Red Dead Redemption 2 is the first game in a long time that I can remember that is actually releasing at 9 PM at the major retailers. I think the Push Square article from a couple days ago mentioned Best Buy and Target as being involved in the 9PM Thursday release, but I see online that GameStop is doing it as well. I think because the game is such a huge release, and it’s going to be so popular here, and since Rockstar is a US company, and since there is already talk of early spoilers online, that they decided to let us have it a little earlier. But actually 9:00 PM here is like what, 4:00 AM in Europe? So it’s only a few hour head start for us. Heck, Japan and Australia would have it been able to play it a full 12-16 hours ahead of us because of their time zones. So in today’s day and age of immediate communication international exchange over the internet, they really needed to level the playing field here. Us getting it a 9 PM puts us closer in line with the earliest people from across the globe to be able to play it, so American streamers and YouTuber should be satisfied to not be at a disadvantage on the internet. So the “early access” is just actually more of well disguised equalizer. If I pick it up at 9 PM and start playing it immediately and post my thoughts on here than I won’t be that far ahead of you if you go when your shops open. And I don’t know about downloads. Not sure if the world gets access to the download at the exact same time.
As for midnight release parties, I just think they were not financially viable enough to keep doing. I’m sure it cost GameStop a lot of money to pay employees to work overtime and stay at work until 1:00 AM. So the 9:00 PM release makes sense there too since I think most stores close at 9 or 10, so they don’t have to stay open late. It’s not like the retailers don’t have the games already sitting in boxes in their stores for the last few days. 😄
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Think I’m going to be a bit late to the party.
Gave myself a week to beat the first game & I’m just 15 story missions in now.
It’s going to be hard to keep playing once RDR2 is in my hands though... .
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Help needed. Im at the point in the game where they are waiting for the train to 1st arrive.Arthur needs to put on a mask,but im pushing something wrong and it wont equip the mask.
I've only just got going with the game but the cinematic mode when travelling is a neat addition and adds to the ambience of the game. I'm not sure how much I'll use first person mode though; I completed single player in GTA5 with it (having played the campaign before on PS3) but still feel these are best in third person.
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