Topic: Corona Virus Panic/Discussion Thread

@Ralizah Well you are a world leader. In case numbers and deaths.

@nessisonett It's about to get vastly worse. People don't understand exponential growth, for some reason.

They'll understand when every state in the union is having to dig mass graves to deal with all of the bodies we'll be seeing soon.

@Ralizah Think of it this way, the worse Trump handles the pandemic, the less supporters he’ll have in a few months. Eventually, nobody can call it a hoax because anybody that lacks common sense will have popped their clogs before the US turned into the wasteland from Mad Max.

@Ralizah I'm actually a little hopeful our institutions are strong enough to withstand Trump. My fear now is isolated pockets of violence when reality hits MAGA country square in the face on Jan 20th.

Aside from that all I can say is amen to your post.

@zupertramp I don't think Trump's attacks on our institutions, in and of themselves, will amount to anything. Judges are throwing out his spurious lawsuits left and right. Staying in at this point is most likely a ploy to extract as much money as possible from his credulous followers, as they've been bombarded with emails begging for donations to help with legal fees to fight the "rigged" election. Of course, in the fine print, you discover that somewhere in the range of 40% of these so-called "election defense fund" donations are actually being used to pay off campaign debt. Par for the course for the most cartoonishly corrupt president ever to sit in the oval office.

btw, thanks for your service. As a vet, maybe you'll get a kick out of this story about one of Trump's poll watchers, who thinks something is very 'odd' about how many military ballots were voting for Biden. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the profound disrespect this president has shown for the men and women in our armed forces, of course.

https://www.businessinsider.com/military-veteran-vote-joe-bid...

@RogerRoger If we've discovered one thing about Americans this year, it's that, in the middle of the worst pandemic in a century, they'll find any excuse to go out in large numbers and stew in eachother's fumes. I live in a small town, and, during Halloween, the streets were literally lined with maskless people. It's nuts.

@nessisonett The only problem, for many, is if it doesn't hit them directly, they won't believe it. So basically we could see a million dead but because the vast majority still wouldn't know those people, anyone who didn't take it seriously probably still wouldn't.

Also this doesn't take into account our capacity for wholly untenable rationalizations. Like "Uncle Joe didn't die of Covid, the Clinton Foundation had him killed for speaking too much truth on Facebook." That kinda thing.

@zupertramp Yeah, I overheard a couple of guys on my bus saying that Covid was a hoax because they didn’t know anyone who have died of it. I’m fairly certain trying to explain the fallacy of that argument would have earned me a stabbing so I just ignored it. Neither of them wearing masks of course.

@nessisonett lol yeah like the way I don't actually personally know anyone who has died of cancer but like, what then, I should assume it's a hoax?

Also, I gotta mention, I've had Mario's voice looping in mind, paying respects to the fallen ever since you mentioned it. He won't stop lol.

@Ralizah I'm still astounded that the VFW demanded an apology after Trump downplayed brain injuriess as headaches but never got one and yet he still seemed to come out unscathed. (This after a long list of other instances of disrespect that would have buried other presidencies) So if it's true there was an increase in support for the Democratic candidate among the military rank and file, well, good for them.

@RogerRoger Yeah, we didn’t get any kids round our door either despite living in a cul-de-sac with quite a few families in an area not exactly known for its law and order. People seemed to listen.

Started chilling pretty bad last night around 8:00 & woke up this morning to a 101.6 fever, so I'm definitely going to be keeping an eye on my condition.

I haven't been coughing & don't have a stuffy nose, but I have a bit of a sinus headache, feel a bit fatigued (especially when I get up & start walking for a bit), and my tongue & lips feel ever so slightly numb.

@RR529 Get lots of rest, drink water, and try not to worry too much. If you have a pulse oximeter, be sure to use that occasionally. Vitamin D supplements might also help, if you have them.

Get well soon, and, if possible, keep us updated!

Here's hoping it's just the more uncommon symptoms of a cold or some other common bug. Like Ral says stay well rested and hydrated and try not to think about it too much.

I had to take some time off a few weeks back with it thankfully turning out to be just the flu @RR529 and hopefully it'll be something similar!

Get well soon!

I think we're screwed either way. The amount of people I've encountered who think vaccines are some kind of government scheme is mind-boggling. Today there was a guy preaching outside the supermarket about how vaccines will see artificial shortages, but since they've been saving ''our DNA'' for at least 10 years, this will all be fake, and ''they'' will inject you will all kinds of things, including chips and hormones.

@Octane I think it's fair and healthy to be skeptical about most things. But these nutters take it to another level, imo it's similar to religious street preachers. Waxing lyrical about nonesense.

There's another side to this though, governments have seemingly been acting against our best interests for years favouring Boomers. We all know family time is important, yet we are expected to work longer than the previous generations. We pay through the nose for university, it used to be funded. Getting a mortgage is now a life sacrifice. Old fogeys are camped in 5 bedroom houses whilst a family of 4 makes do with a 2 bedroom terrace. Triple locked government pensions at 60 and gold plated private pensions whilst our generation work for eternity and have to pay our own company pensions.

This has piqued with covid-19 and it's a controversial point, we are stopping the world to save old folk from covid now we know how coronavirus operates. The same people who have enacted these massively unfair social issues. I'm not condoning this demographic to death btw but I can absolutely understand why a huge majority of under 50s want off this boat. The lack of compassion for the elderly is understandable when real hurdles have been put in place by people who have had a more fruitful and less stressful life. They sit at home in their own home, a grand a month and private pension money rolling in. Joe Bloggs just redundant has to make do with Job seekers allowance and permathreatened eviction.

The argument for the second lockdown can be summarised, to save old people. The vaccine, to save old people. The mass damage to the economy, to save old people.

So when collateral damage occurs to someone not within this demographic, wherever that's something as stupid as not being able to go for a pint or go to the match up to more serious issues like being made redundant or having cancer treatment rescheduled, then absolutely people have more than enough reason to preach.

This is where the arguement gets lost and metamorphosised into a preacher talking about vaccines being chips. There is a real arguement to be had on the fairness of society and why younger people have again being asked to forfeit their own lives for generations seeing the twilight of theirs.

@themcnoisy Yeesh, I forgot you lot down south have to pay for Uni, there’s absolutely no way I could have gone otherwise. Makes me happy to live in a country with all those commie socialist policies that make the lazy left sit on their arses while the good old hard working pensioners have paid their dues 😉

@themcnoisy not gonna lie, I've never seen it put this way. over here the argument is simply "but my liberty." then you turn around and elucidate a fairly reasonable point. so thanks for that.

Thanks for the well wishes everyone.

Had a pretty scary "bowel movement" earlier this morning (I was suddenly drenched in sweat and felt like I could pass out at any moment), but things have started to get better since then. Checked my temperature as soon as I was done & it had dropped to 99.8, took a bit of a nap & felt well enough to play my game for a bit. Just checked my temp again and it's at 99.2.

I still feel a bit fatigued & have a slight headache, but it seems all a bit better. If I'm lucky maybe I just have a 24 hour stomach bug

Though just in case (and for future use if need be) I'm having Amazon overnight a pulse oximeter.

@themcnoisy Yeah, I'm aware of it. Once I'm done next year, I'll have a €100.000 debt. Try getting a mortgage with that..!

I don't it's necessarily to save the elderly though, hospitals are filling up. My mom has a non-emergency surgery planned, but it has been postponed for several months, because they can't handle it at the moment. Meanwhile, most elderly are dying in nursery homes over here. It's mostly about saving the healthy 40-70 year-olds a who do get seriously sick from it.

It's just kinda baffling how people can be this way. I've heard a person say he was skeptical about what's in a vaccine, while doing drugs pretty much every month. Like he's suddenly the expert of what goes into those XTC pills

It's good to be skeptical, but these things are regulated to no end in the EU. And the idea that the government wants to "poison" or "kill" its country's population is just too absurd to even begin to counter. These people have never taken a history or economy lesson, because even if you're running a malicious government, there are far more effective ways of doing so.

@nessisonett I knew I should've moved to Scotland. Unicorns, goblins and leprechauns. Or was that Ireland?