Topic: Corona Virus Panic/Discussion Thread

@nessisonett extremely far fetched considering you're outside.

Edit: I live in a rural area. I have to drive miles to go walk down a street. Doesn't happen.

@kyleforrester87 they should be

@zupertramp because this one wasnt tested like other vaccines and was rushed out. Sure I had to get the normal vacc shots to attend college.

The point is this J&J issue is damaging their hopes of vaccinating everyone. Something is going on we're not told and this latest development will make more skeptical.

I’m not opposed to FDA/CDC being as cautious as possible and these things being studied and watched closely for safety, but I can’t help but think that we’d probably be appalled at the safety data when they gave everyone smallpox vaccines and polio vaccines first came out. Again, not saying we don’t need to be cautious and use modern science to the fullest, but now that we can gather mountains of data we are surely seeing issues that would have never been seen before. It’s probably a good thing, but you have to weigh the risk and benefit. How many people would have died from COVID (which also can cause blood clots I understand, even weeks after recovery) without the vaccine. People are dying everyday from COVID, actually. So at some point, we just need to accept that the vaccines may not be perfect and one in a million people who receive a vaccine may have a bad side effect. Sucks if you’re the one person, of course.
Anyway, not sure how I feel about it all, but I think it’s easy to be “Arm-chair quarterback” or “Monday morning quarterback” (the Americans out there will understand the reference) and judge from a distance. I always find it ironic how people who are anti-vaccine still benefit from those who actually take the chance and get the vaccine. Kinda like we all are the beneficiaries of all the folks who took the smallpox vaccine and polio vaccine back in the day.

@kyleforrester87 Keep in mind that there are also people who cannot get vaccinated due to medical reasons. They will be locked up inside until we all are vaccinated.

@Th3solution I don't get it either. People don't want to take the 1-in-a-million risk (assuming the cause of death are even caused by the vaccines), yet they don't seem to mind taking the 1-in-a-100 or 1000 risk that is associated with COVID, with the additional risk of spreading it to people who are much more vulnerable than you are.

@Octane if they are locked up then there isn’t much risk of them being breathed on. Anyway, as and when everyone has been offered a vaccine, I hope personal accountability comes to the forefront.

@Th3solution obviously wasn't alive for rollout of most vaccines but yeah, I can't imagine the adverse side effects that must have occurred. I would like to think we're better at it now than ever before.

That said, I really do understand your skepticism @Rondoooo9. Pharmaceutical companies are some of the least trustworthy in my opinion but as others have pointed out to me in the past, they're really under a microscope at the moment and the incentive (even just profit-wise) isn't really there to harm even a small percentage of the population.

So I suspect the JJ pause is out of an abundance of caution. I was under the impression a similar thing happened with the Astra-Zeneca vaccine in several European countries for the same reason, blood clots. Not sure what the status on that is now but it's my understanding the number of complications was/is much higher.

Even still, this vaccine isn't exactly compulsory in the states so I think if someone feels that strongly about it and that uncomfortable taking it, perhaps they shouldn't. Even with some of the most enforced vaccines there's usually some way to get an exemption.

Very true statements in all replies. At this point in the game the majority are either vaccinated or have already contacted it. Specifically in US. We're closer to the light at the tunnels end. Keep in mind your employer cannot force it upon you or even ask if you're vaccinated. Thats a lawsuit waiting to happen.

I am a pro vaccer. It works and the science is sound.

However I had the Astra Zeneca and felt like shi" for a week after the vaccine. No light symptoms here, banging headaches, no energy, temperature etc. Even now I'm not 100% and this was months ago. I have my second jab in May and am having second thoughts.

Corona whipped through my work, everyone was taken down bar me and a relatively new colleague in January. We had both had it last year. So I dunno man, it's a harder question to answer if you have autoimmune issues as the vaccines can really screw you up. I would say for under 30s not to have the vaccine as I don't think it's worth the risk especially when getting it for the majority of people in that age bracket won't be effected badly if at all.

@themcnoisy Even if you don't get the symptoms, you can still spread it. The more people can get it, the faster it can spread. Even if all the vulnerable people are vaccinated, it's just waiting for it to mutate into something that does bypass the vaccine to a degree that sends us back into lockdown.

Currently nursing my partner who had her second Pfizer jab today feeling very sorry for herself. Yet to be offered one, got this to look forward to...

@Octane I get that but I still feel terrible now. I'm due my next jab start of may so I had the Astra Zeneca jab what 9 weeks ago? I've got graves desease and pernicious anaemia, possibly having an effect with the jab. I dunno man I'm massively pro vaccination but something isn't right with that jab man. I'm concerned that people like me haven't been studied in enough numbers. I'm suffering from anxiety now after the jab, never had it to this degree before.

I know we should protect the elderly, again I was pro lockdown from day 1. But there is no point jabbing up kids who won't be effected by covid but could be effected by the jab. There should be a sensible cutoff when the gains are not there. Wouldn't want to put my kids in harm's way, and there is a risk.

@themcnoisy The AZ jab of them all does, anecdotally, seem to knock people the most and it’s generally younger people who have good immune response (in general I mean). However, anecdotally again, most people seem to be affected worst by one of the two shots and AZ seems more likely to.l be the first and Pfizer the second.

Sorry to hear you’ve had a pants time with it though but please do get the second one!

Kids are unlikely to get the AZ one anyway because of the minuscule risk of clot.

@themcnoisy A positive mindset is also important. I know it's difficult sometimes, but thinking about possible side effects all the time can cause anxiety, which may actually result in side effects, as it affects a lot of hormonal pathways, and can even downplay immune response. It's easier said than done, but it's worth keeping in mind!

@MatthewJP Sorry to hear that your partner has had a bad time responding to the jab. My parents had the same jab and reported almost no issues (a sore arm and that was about it), so hopefully you will a similar experience.

And I agree with @Octane, it is important not be all doom n gloom as difficult as it may be. Whether it is not paying attention to so much news, there are steps you can take to not have such a negative outlook.

My girlfriend was quite ill after her second vaccine. I haven't even had my first yet. Maybe they think I'm just going to brush it off if I ever catch it like some kind of mad antibody man. That could happen but safety first I say. Might as well get vaccinated.

Yes, this is the most frightening thing now. Unknown effects of these vaccines.

Yeah, I mean, that's a risk. But she was less ill than she would have been if she'd had covid so I guess that's the trade.