With the PlayStation 5, Sony is sticking to what it knows. Alongside the announcement of its upcoming next-gen games reveal event, boss Jim Ryan conducted an interview with Games Industry.biz, where he stressed that it’s “time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5”. The insinuation here is that we’re going to see true exclusive titles next week, which take full advantage of its new hardware.
Of course, throughout the history of console launches there has always been software designed to take advantage of the new box. Microsoft’s approach with Xbox Series X is causing some debate, however, because it has committed to releasing its titles on both its next-gen platform and its current one – at least for the first year or two. That means that games like Halo: Infinite will launch on Xbox Series X, Xbox One X, and even Xbox One S.
“We have always said that we believe in generations,” Ryan said. “We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features. We are thinking that it is time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5.”
Sony, to be clear, is not abandoning the PS4 at all – it knows it will continue to be a cash cow for the company for years to come. “If you say in broad brush figures that we have a community of 100 million PS4 owners right now, and in the first couple of years… I don't know, somewhere between 15 and 25 million might migrate to PS5, that still leaves a huge number of people with PS4s,” he continued. “We have always felt that we had a responsibility to serve that community.”
So, what are the advantages of Sony’s generational approach, then? Well, there’s been a lot of talk about the PS5’s ultra-fast SSD, and that’s something developers wouldn’t really be able to leverage if they still had to design their games around the significantly slower PS4 hard drive. Imagine a hypothetical sequel to Horizon Zero Dawn: the SSD could allow for flying mounts, but if Guerrilla Games had to support the PS4 as well, it might have to remove that feature.
It also provides incentive to upgrade: why bother buying a new console if you can play all of its games on the one you’ve already got? Outspoken Xbox executive Aaron Greenberg took to Twitter to respond to the latest batch of PS5 reports: “Xbox believes in generations,” he said. “Generations of games that play on the latest hardware taking advantage of next-gen innovation offering more choice, value, and variety than any console launch ever.”
The proof will, as always, be in the pudding. Microsoft clearly believes that it can effectively demonstrate a generational jump, despite all of its Xbox Series X launch software being designed to run on the Xbox One X and Xbox One S as well. Sony, meanwhile, hopes to give its community “a little bit of a jolt” with titles it believes are only possible on new hardware. Bluepoint Games, one of the teams working on a PS5 exclusive project, had this to say: “It’s time to leave our old gaming limitations behind us.”
Which approach do you prefer? Do you think Sony should be designing all of its PS5 games with PS4 in mind, or do you reckon next-gen hardware is wasted when saddled with the restrictions of old consoles? Demonstrate a generational jump in the comments section below.
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“Generations of games that play on the latest hardware taking advantage of next-gen innovation offering more choice, value, and variety than any console launch ever.” yeah well if you are going to put your games on current gen and next gen than it will just limit that next gen advancement. might want to rethink that quote.
people buy a new console to play the new games on it.
if sony decided to release all future PS exclusives for the next 2 years or so on both the ps4 and ps5 than why would people bother getting the ps5 while they could save 100's of dollars by just getting the current gen version?
the point of releasing a new console is to sell it,and not have it sit on shelves for the first 2 years.
not to mention that keeping those games on both generations can limit game development for longer than needed.
Gotta keep moving forward and pushing boundaries and limitations. The only way to take full advantage of the features of the PS5 is to solely focus on it. If some other dev wants to take a PS5 game and port it down that’s an option, but I hope Sony focuses on the PS5 once it launches.
Not sure yet I will have to wait to see what they announce this coming Thursday. So far i am inclined to making the jump to Xbox. Their game pass it’s just too good To resist . Also being able to play a huge catalogue of Xbox 360 and Xbox One games Is a huge plus.
Again, PS will have to do something huge to keep me as a their user.
Well of course. People who disagree either dont understand what it means or dont want to buy a PS5
It's a tricky balancing act between pushing forward and not abandoning your old console's player base overnight. I'm more on Sony's side here, as I think if they commit to next gen exclusives they'll be far more impressive and catch people's attention a lot more than the half-step Xbox seems to be doing. It'll be interesting to see if this sways people to switch to xbox/playstation though.
For me it's not really a generational leap if it's the same games just dialed up a bit. If we want true advances in game design then they shouldn't hamper themselves to having to work on several year old tech.
@BranJ0 agree.
they are doing it great in the way that they are not leaving the ps4 behind with allowing all third party games to be cross gen,but also give reason to get a ps5 by making exclusives only for that system. it keeps it friendly with third party devs but makes sure that their first party devs can move past current gen limits and helps the media improve.
No. I want my PS5 games to also run on my Amiga 1200.
Sony definitely has the right idea on this. I get what Microsoft is trying to do, especially as this current gen started with X2 versions of almost every game in 2014. So in that sense, they're just making it easier. However it's still important to have the top draw exclusive showcase games. This is the area I expect to be the PS5 to have the advantage over Xbox for sure.
If you think every ps5 exclusive is going to be only for ps5 than like biggie smalls say.you dead wrong.word up son
I wanted to just say: 'yes' in answer to the question, but Push Square apparently doesn't accept simple answers to simple questions (I got a prompt asking me to say something more...Seriously?). To me this is a yes-no question. I may elaborate, but it should not be obligatory.
I'm not interested in playing past generation games on new hardware. Whatever resources Sony is using to enable backwards compatibility, I'd prefer they'd focus on making the new hardware as cutting edge as possible. I understand the convenience of being able to play older titles on one machine, but the hype surrounding that possibility doesn't resonate with me.
yes, too often third party games take years to take full advantage of the hardware, maybe not this gen maybe it will. They can always try and make a rubbish version for previous gen down the line.
maybe you will even eventually be able to access ps5 games on PS4 through ps now, no idea if that's possible but you would assume it is
@playstation1995 I understand what you're saying but the label of "PS5 exclusives" literally means its only available on that console. Just semantics.
@BearsEatBeets you will find that SSD in PS5 is a generational leap
Sony are completely right. Only reason Microsoft are doing differently is that all the studios they acquired are unlikely to have had sufficient time to make next gen titles in time for the launch window. Creating games that have to be able to run on a launch xbox one - which was already creaking soon after launch - will surely hold back the next generation and not take advantage of the technological advances that both machines have under the hood
@David187 Exactly. Why have an expensive and innovative piece of hardware if you don't make full use of it.
Absolutely agree with SONY, no point hobbling yourselves by tying development to past gen, it's nuts.
People want to see new things and have new experiences exactly, not recycling the same old thing until stagnation.
I'm massively impressed how they have stuck with VR, it just shows how they are prepared to take a risk in the name of pushing the envelope.
Until it was brought up yesterday, if I heard you didn't need a new console to play next generation games I'd call you crazy.
It's literally been this way since the NES and I never expected any different.
So, the fact that PS5 games are only on PS5 feels normal to me and as a result I do not care for what Microsoft is doing or the abuse going around from their fanbase.
@Arugula 100% Agree! If you want to play Last gen game keep your last gen console. The new hardware should be for new games.
@IronMike
You may want to direct your question to Harry Potter.
Magic is his area of expertise.
"Imagine a hypothetical sequel to Horizon Zero Dawn: the SSD could allow for flying mounts, but if Guerrilla Games had to support the PS4 as well, it might have to remove that feature"
Really? C'mon man, a game is a game, changing mechanics and features just to suit a platform is never a good idea. You are effectivly changing the experience from one console to another, but still trying to sell the same game. That would never work in a million years.
I dont even know why this is a topic? Its brand new hardware with brand new features, of course there are going to be games that will be designed for this console only. If that wasnt the case, why would you upgrade?
I love Push Square but this post really is grasping at straws for something to talk about.
Are you annoyed that The Order 1886 wasnt avilable on PS3 when the PS4 launched? Of course not lol. So Stupid lol
@3Above True, but you have to consider this is the PS5. FIVE being the key word here. By that logic i would need to keep 5 consoles under my TV, its getting kinda cramped.
Ok that was a hypothetical, and the reality is games and hardware have to move on, but at least 1 or 2 generations of back compatibility should be considered when designing a console just to ease the transition.
Now dont get me wrong, when designing a console, next gen should always be a priority, back compatibility should NEVER come at the expense of reducing the power of functionality of a new machine, but it SHOULD be taken into account. This is exactly what we are seeing with the PS5. The full extent of backwards compatibility is still unknown, until i see it in black and white on the Playstation Blog i think we all just have to be patient
I'll give credit where its due on the work M$ has done getting some OG Xbox & a number of 360 gen games up & running & available again to enjoy....However, they increasingly seem very vocal pushing it for XBSX like Disney marketed their Star Wars or their live action Reboots of animation movies with heavy nostalgia sugar hits but leaving you feeling unsatisfied afterwards!
Is that to prop up their mostly average first party live service offerings from this gen?
Yes I hope most of my ps4 catalogue will be playable,but I'm far more interested in ps5 exclusives showing gameplay that wasn't possible this gen & as sure as heck don't want new stuff being held back to old gen limitations. Onwards & upwards thanks!
Uhm, what's there to agree. Yes, that is the point of a new generation.
Absolutely agree with them. I don't buy new hardware to play old games. That's why backwards-compatibility has never been an issue for me.
I don't want new games gimped so that they run on old hardware, and if - for example - Guerrilla had to ensure that Horizon 2 ran on PS4, that's exactly what we'd get, whether intentionally by design, or by 'accident' as a result of them having to split their focus.
Of course, I mean that's the reason I"ll buy expensive new-gen machine, I don't want to buy it then only used it for playing old games. Give me exclusive that's not possible on last gen, just like the first time I bought ps1, ps2, ps3, and ps4.
I can see both approaches. Designing games to only run on one system is a clear incentive for people to buy that system. On the other hand, people buy new phones and/or upgrade their PCs all the time, even when it isn't strictly necessary, so I could definitely see a lot of people buying XSeX primarily for the visual and performance upgrades to their games.
I think Sony's approach works primarily because of their continued emphasis on exclusivity. Games designed for one system can be optimized to run as well as possible on that hardware, whereas third party games, or first-party games going to multiple consoles, HAVE to be designed with the weakest possible system in mind, which could theoretically hold back the game design if, say, a certain bit of level design or action setpiece doesn't work on aged hardware.
@jdv95 Exactly! Now all they've got to do is make sure the quality of those games are good, and it should be a home run!
Sammy, as a gamer from the 70s and one who is a bit fed up of repetitive modern games copying each other and hardware restrictions.... not to mention loot boxes and service games.... I always agree that all new consoles need to have games for that new console otherwise there is little reason to buy.
Having back compatible is fine but nowhere near essential. I have a large collection of PS4 games and I don't need to play them on PS5... Buy a PS4 if people do...
New hardware excitement needs new and ground breaking games. Sony I am sure will deliver quality games on PS5.
Let's not forget TLOU2 and Ghost...plus Sony had showed incredible support on PS4.
Game design should never be hampered by the previous generation, if they happen to be able to run on the previous gen then great but take advantage of the new hardware first and foremost
I think Sony is making the right choice. If new games were playable on all consoles it would make the PlayStation 5 seem more like an upgrade (similar to the jump from PlayStation 4 to PlayStation 4 Pro) rather than a new generation.
@rockman29 nicely put, couldn't agree more
Although I like Microsoft's approach and their desire to be pro consumer and do something different, ultimately I think it's best to leave last gen behind at some point. Making games for both gens hinder the potential of the games on current gen. There's a lot more to a game than it's graphics. Next gen will open a lot of possibilities on the design and AI perspective that are simply not possible on current gen.
Sony have the right idea I do not like Microsoft’s approach to next gen. Next gen should always mean games only on that new gaming console. Backwards compatibility for previous gen is ok for games already in a players portfolio but that’s as far as I would take it. I love my PS4 pro and love my Xbox One X consoles, both look amazing in 4K. If I’m buying a next gen console I want it to be a next gen feeling.. a feeling that I can only play this game on the newest console. I have an Xbox One X and won’t be upgrading due to the fact it’s a pretty solid console and all Microsoft’s game I can play on it so it’s a no brainer I’ll be upgrading to the PS5 and can’t wait for Thursday at 9pm (UK time) for the showing off next gen games
Leave the old hardware behind as quick as possible. It's especially true this gen with how bad the PS4/Xbox One hardware was even 7 years ago.
Personally I believe brand new hardware should only be for games for next gen only. Otherwise it will hold it back and hence that's why Microsoft is not really a next gen gaming machine if they build it also for previous gen. Well done Sony.
Personally i think that the ps5 should be all about ps5 exclusives but if developers wish to make ps4 versions as well then what harm can it do? If the ps5 is backwards compatable and supports the pro enhanced versions then i really cant wait to go through my back catalogue again as i deliberatly put off upgrading to the ps4 pro for this reason..whatever the ps5 ends up being i'm sure its going to blow minds..
Put it this way, if it was the other way round I’d be strongly considering buying an Xbox
PES2020& Ni-Oh 2.
Feels like I’m at the final boss in Ni-Oh 2 & it sure is HARD. Hopefully I’ll beat it over the weekend.
Im glad, based on the poll, my fellow gamers have some sense. I sometimes wonder if Xbox even cares to sell an XsX. I have a funny feeling that when Sony announces HZD2 or Spidey 2 as a PS5 exclusive ready for launch the sales numbers will be obnoxious. And Xbox will lag far behind again.
Defenately on Sony's side of the fence on this one. Absolutely no interest in playing anything that is on ps5 on a lower spec console. I dont want games that have had to be dialled down to find a happy medium and accommodate for both systems. A true next gen system should be making full use of that raw power and super fast SSD wherever it can and doing things the ps4 simply could not dream to do without removing features (and possible gameplay elements) from a console that could pull of said things with no trouble just to get it to run on old tech.
I owned an Xbox X(last Microsoft console i will ever own) and was completely underwhelmed by it. Too many sacrifices made to accommodate 360 and xbox one owners... Like they will do this gen too.
@ApostateMage
Lmfao...very good
@ApostateMage
Lmfao...very good...but what about the Atari 2600
@Jimmy_G_Buckets I had to check twice to see if I’d written your response. That’s exactly how I feel!
I think the question lies in what is so necessary on the technical side that it will be fundamentally damaging to a core aspect of the game to turn it down a little? Like, do good graphics or draw distance or particle effects make a game? I'd suggest not so, for a couple reasons. Firstly, the best games that most of us have played have probably been good because of the gameplay. Who still plays Crash Bandicoot or GTA SA for example? Silent Hill? Are those games good graphically today? No, they're good because they're fun. Secondly, do people really only pick up games that look good? What about indie titles? Is Binding of Isaac some graphical or technical masterpiece? No, it's basically old Zelda, but it's still a damn good game, arguably the best rogue like around.
So I understand concerns about how they'll have to scale down the technical stuff, but I'd argue that unless in very specific circumstances it really doesn't matter anyway.
it would be nice but i guess it all depends how well Sony can keep the supply up with demand of the ps5 and how long people have to wait to get a hold of the console.
@BearsEatBeets yep 👍👍
Isn't this argument an off-shoot of Nintendo argument? Like graphics don't matter. Switch is evidence of that. I hear fans say it all the time that the game experience is what sells consoles... not the graphics.
Ultimately there's new hardware that will be taken advantage of. I'm excited to see that hardware used, but I don't need games day 1 that maximize the hardware. Just give me good games. I look at my currently installed library of games and I'm not even joking when I say that close to 1/2 of them are remasters or OG from last gen. On Xbox I just finished a play through of the original Gears of War trilogy and loved it. I'm currently playing Castlevania Lords of Shadow. Also love it.
But as a current gen owner, would I be upset if exclusives came out for the new consoles? Not at all. So I think this might be a point in favor of dual console owners like myself purchasing a PS5 first because Halo Infinite will play just fine on current hardware, but we'll need a PS5 to play God of War 2 (for example).
Brand new games built with brand new hardware in mind, or a game built for old hardware with a few bells and whistles for new hardware?
I don't bet in the Grand National, but I'm certain which is the better horse to back in this race.
A cut off point has to happen eventually for games to get better, it may as well just happen at the start of a new generation.
Hell yeah I do. I’ve been this way since I was a kid. When I got a SNES I didn’t want the games to be of NES caliber. So again, YES, FREAKING YES.
I owned a 360 but haven’t owned a Xbox since but if I did and I heard that their newest system is going to be held back by the Xboxone I would be annoyed. Hell, I’m annoyed now. I want game to grow and move forward.
Also, I hate the newest argument from some people that by making games exclusive to new systems is anti-consumer. You people are freaking wanting to hinder the growth of games!
I have saved, budgeted, and I’ve mostly been able to buy what I desire. Some people don’t do so well, but that is freaking life. I didn’t grow up with much but that drove my ambitions as an adult.
I’m not buying a PS5 to play PS4 games. BC is nice but not mandatory for me.
Not only are the XBSX games on XB1, they're also on PC. I think they know they can't compete with Sony and Nintendo so they're focusing on selling software in any way possible, yet are still pretending the Xbox brand is more than just a series of budget pre-made PCs.
I want the PS5, for the first year, to mainly play & concentrate on mobile phone style Indie games. I realise that this will never happen, you only have to remember the PS4's first year... Oh, hang on a minute...
I do believe in generations, they are need it in closed platforms.
New games should be designed focusing 100% on new hardware without self impose limits for legacy hardware. That's why i am also pro exclusives (real exclusives) even when some people find it anti-consumer (It's not).
Right now Santa Monica should be focus GoW5 on PS5 and only PS5, make graphics API, Engines, Inputs, etc drain every single bit of PS5 architecture, without mind how your engine will do in 50 different PC configurations, that's 3º party devs work...
BUT there's also a need for user to be able to run legacy software on new hardware. Those are 2 different things that does not exclude each other. Specially since they are keeping the same architecture and media format of current-gen.
Sony's business plan is similar to what Nintendo did to sell its consoles. Software sells hardware. I was the biggest Nintendo fan ever but now I believe Sony are doing a far better job than Nintendo ever did. Sony have tweaked Nintendo's business plan and improved it massively with 3rd party developers always on board, generous game discounts on older games, superb hardware and all the time their software is getting better than previous generation and not being afraid to try new things and ideas. And last but not least - delivering software on a regular basis.
But yeah exclusives need to push hardware. It gives people a reason to buy a new console.
@gollumb82 well it’d be a pretty boring comment section if people just responded yes or no
@thefirst Fully agree. I never mentioned Sony's previous systems as the topic was PS5 so the PS4 is Sony's current system but yes, PS1,2 and 3 were very well supported right to the end.
I've chatted to a Dev friend of mine and he says the power and efficiency of the PS5 is a major strength and finds it funny how people are thinking that T-flops at a higher level will mean a better console... (Series X)...
Either way, if Sony keep delivering big titles it wont matter. Games are what counts. Its why Nintendo generally do so well. If MS can pull out some big games then Sony may have a harder battle next time out but even still. For me, Sony seems to deliver the games i enjoy the most.
It will be nice to find out more information on June 4th.
Its not as black and white as that - I doubt the first year or two games will be built purely with next gen hardware in mind and could be scaled down - they wouldn't have had time to see what the hardware enables them to do and build a game around that and so we will have to wait for a few years after Devs have had a Dev kit in their hands and understand exactly what that can offer.
Sony are in a different position to MS - they need to sell consoles to sell games and so it makes sense to release 'new' games on PS5 only - even if they could be scaled down to entice people to upgrade sooner. MS on the other hand need their games to work for PC and xCloud streaming to get them to buy games and/or subscriptions. If their games can be scaled down - as they will be in the first year or two, it makes more sense to do so.
There is no 'right' way for BOTH - there is a right way to suit the company better. It seems that BOTH are doing what suits them best and that approach is different because they are different. MS can't ignore their PC users and not support xCloud so it makes no sense to keep games that can be scaled down purely for their next console and limit sales of those games too. Just like it makes sense for Sony to make their PS5 more enticing to encourage people to buy into that platform so they have a bigger audience to buy new games - inc those that can't/won't scale down.
MS will have Series X console exclusives - Scorn for example (it could be scaled down but the Devs don't want to release a 30fps version) and the Medium so its not as if next gen exclusives won't be available - its about doing what's best for the company and Sony have decided that its best for them to make 1st party games Exclusive regardless of whether they could scale down or not.
I don't care either way because I will upgrade to play the best versions of games whether they would be released on OLD tech as well or not
@Belekai I see what you're saying. Right now I actually have 3 Consoles under my tv lol (PS2 PS3 and PS4) But I RARELY turn my PS3 or PS2 on. Now its POSSIBLE that the PS5 will have Software emulation backwards compatibility for PS1-3 and hardware BC for PS4 like Mark Cerny talked about.
But really I think most people only regularly play 1 previous gen as in PS5 and PS4. I dont think that many ppl still want to play PS3 games now.
Why doesn't 'the internet'(YAWN) question what Microsoft do??? :-/ It seems whatever they do is ok but if SONY does it differently then 'the internet'(YAWN) go mad. SONY are doing what they do every Gen so I don't get why this is a bad thing now!?!? Hmm, oh well.
“ why bother buying a new console if you can play all of its games on the one you’ve already got? ”
Why did anyone buy a PS4 Pro?
Why did anyone buy an XBox one X?
Why did anyone buy a New Nintendo 3DS?
Why does anyone upgrade their PCs when they can just run almost all games at lower settings?
I dare put money on the table right now that the most played PS5 game of the first year will be Last or Us 2
Realistically speaking, with a tiny install base, you can't expect heavy hitters being ps5 exclusive. They'd lose a ton of money if The Last of Us 2 was only available on ps5.
I don’t mind that Sony plans to stop making PS4 games and make their first party games PS5 exclusives, that’s fine.
However, we all know eventually they will start doing PS5 optimized versions of games like Last of Us 2 and GoT. I want to know those optimizations will come for free for current owners just as they already do for PS4 Pro owners (not talking about boost mode, talking about Dev designed optimizations.)
We also know most third party tend to spend a year or two cross-targeting generations. Some game’s basically never stop doing so (look at Just Dance still supporting the Wii.) MS is trying to do their best to make their consumers feel they don’t have to stop investing on the current generation until they can afford the new hardware. Their investment will be supported and rewarded with free upgrades (so long it’s not a damned EA title.) getting that assurance from Sony come Tuesday would also be nice.
That said: I hope they talking about taking advantage of the SSD and not about forcing heart beat monitoring and the use of that creepy always on mic on the game controller.
@AJDarkstar “ If not for BC and smart delivery, I wouldn’t bother getting a series X for a while.”
But it does sound you DO see the value on getting an XSX to play optimized versions of those games, though.
@Carl-G
Because people are manipulated by idiots like this one from Windows Central :
https://twitter.com/JezCorden/status/1266524165458341889?s=19
@AJDarkstar I honestly think people are overplaying this whole “series x won’t have exclusives” move. I am seriously expecting Halo Infinite to run at 720 with half the draw distance on a One S, maybe 30fps/1080p tops on a Series X.
I bet playing Series X games on a OneX or OneS will be akin to playing a docked/undocked Switch version of Witcher 3.
I understand that cash strapped bit, although if I was cash strapped I would get neither. Hell, I might still get neither for up to 12 months if both launch above the 500 mark, not due to money availability but because I refuse to spend that much on a console.
If I was to release a next gen console and I didn't had anything in development for it because I didn't care this gen and these studios I just bought don't have a large enough, technically advanced team that would be able to build AAA game for next gen yet, I would say I would support the current gen for at least another year and I would sell it as being wonderful but in fact I was spitting in the face of early adapters and clearly don't understand that my own game developers are there to showcase my new console.
So yeah, just like every new console ever build (up until now) there where exclusive games to showcase the new system and those games couldn't run on the old hardware.
@Tielo the two biggest Nintendo Switch launch window game’s (Mario Kart 8 and Zelda Breath of the Wild) were also available for the Wii U.
The biggest Wii launch title, Zelda Twilight Princess was also available for the Game Cube.
Neither these cross-gen title availability hurt their respective console launches one bit, and I saw plenty of people similarly claim that it would. In fact, those consoles became the fastest selling Nintendo home consoles of all time.
My PS5 will be exclusively for PS5 games! I will keep my Ps4 Pro hooked up for the first year or 2. After that I will pack it away with my PS1,PS2 and PS3. Because the PS5 has a very limited SSD space. Around that time I am sure I will have built a backlog of PS5 games. I will not have the time to continue playing PS4 games.
Stupid strategy imo. I predict they'll lose many Xbox one owners with the sense to realise that if they buy PS5 instead of series X they can go on playing Xbox exclusives and enjoy all Sony will offer too.
Really stupid.
@3Above Im 99% sure that Mark Cerny has confirmed this. The PS5 will be back compatible with PS4 games. Its not a hardware solution per sey, that just ups the cost of the machine.
Im pretty sure he said that the way the variable frequency chip works, it can essentially "upscale" or "downscale" its performance depending on what it needs to do. So, in this case lowering its own specs to match that of a PS4. I guess its technically both hardware and software back compat, but without the need for extra hardware.
As for the PS1, 2 and 3, its certainly possible to do it through software, from a marketing standpoint you would be taking away Microsofts only benifit over the PS5. I could see sony doing it for that reason alone. But if im 100% honest, i dont think it will happen, it would be nice if it did, but we have to be realistic here.
The only thing I'm certain of is that I love games regardless of the system. But that I also I own better systems and games than everyone here. I love them.
Of course...otherwise the industry is essentially held back for 2 years, having to wait for the masses to make the transition.
Yes I agree. Don't want PS4 holding back my ps5
@Belekai it’s them just having a dig at Xbox. Xbox have said it’ll have no exclusives for 2 years that all games will work on Xbox1 and the new one. So push square are doing a fanboy thing to “prove” Xbox are wrong.
I'd argue at this stage, they absolutely cant afford to do anything else. They need to show us what new experiences the hardware can create to convince folk to buy. Microsoft have shown how they can make older games look and run better and I dont sony will compete with that. They need to start with a strong first party reason to buy ps5, like switch had botw, odyssey and splatoon 2 very early in console life cycle and was a key reason for that consoles momentum. Cant see Microsoft launching a killer app for 18-24 months at least. If sony can, they win the next gen, simple.
so basically sony doing what’s always been done since newer consoles being released obviously there’s going to be new gen exclusiveonly, however there’s nothing wrong if you want to play previous gen on new gen. this article is pointless
@Menchi I had a brilliant fun this generation i dont feel like you in that way. The games where brilliant i have so many great games still left to play even if its not 60FPS and 1080p. I bought my PS4 for the games not the performance and the consoles where quite cheap this generation.
@Tharsman Sure, games on an older system should be playable on the new system. The Last of Us 2 will plays on the PS5, that is not the point. Building exclusive games on the PS5 shouldn't take 7 year old hardware in account, the developers shouldn't be forced to not use all the advantages the new system has to run on the old system.
@Stocksy Yeah true. I Think that given this gen has been sony's best yet, it would be foolish not to incorporate some kind of back compat. I mean, they already have the audience/fan base, this is how you keep it i guess.
@Mythologue Your assumption that this is all about graphics and draw distance is... incorrect, to say the least.
@Tielo MS isn’t forcing anyone, though. Third parties are welcome to make their games only for XSX/PS5. Those titles would likely still be held back by PC, since most third party games need to run on mediocre PCs that tend to be slower than launch PS4s, though.
All MS has said is they will make their first party games available for XBOne through Christmas 2021.
@ShadowWolf712 Feel free to enlighten me.
@Tharsman I have no idea what you try to say. Sure third party can make games for whatever they want, that is on all systems. Again, that is not the point.
Do do force their own studios to make their game run on pc, Xbox One, Xbox One X, Xbox Series X and maybe even their cheaper Xbox Series S or whatever that is going to be called. If you are going to tell me that doesn't take any extra work you know nothing about game development because that is a ton of work.
But that is all beside the point. The point is they don't make games exclusively using the XSX full feature set and I find that not a very good for early adapters of the new system.
I hate MS with a passion but I want them to do great on XSX because I think competition is good. I think this will not help the attachment rate of the SXS and they could fall behind because of their stupid decisions.
@Tielo know nothing about game dev? 🙄
Anyways, truth is it usually takes about 3 years to make a really good triple A game, unless it’s an iterative sequel like the yearly sport titles or yearly IPs, and even those yearly IPs tend to have 2 or 3 teams working on the 3-year ahead titles.
The earliest dev kit have been out there for both consoles maybe for a year tops. True next gen games won’t be realistically showing up until precisely the window MS is aiming for ending support for this gen.
Most game’s developed during the first couple of years of a new console gen tend to start their development for the previous gen, and have those projects migrated near the last year, usually adding some visual upgrades at the 11th hour. It is why so many third party game’s end up still supporting the previous generation for a coupe years.
This is why, in retrospect, almost every launch game ever has always aged relatively poorly, making them all look just like slightly upgraded prev gen games.
@IronMike
Yes but you would need between 50/60000 tapes to load a game.
1.32 mbit for one 90 minutes tape.
😂 😂
Buying XSX right now would feels like buying a sports car only to be told by the dealer that you won't be able to drive it at more than 60mph for the next 2 years. 😂 😂 😂
@Belekai Yeah Mark Cerny said that logic was added to make the Zen 2 chips Behave like PS4 and PS4 Pro and to lower clock speeds like you said. Considering PS4 can already emulate some PS2 games it should be a Problem on PS5. The real question is can properly emulate PS3 games. IF they can that would be amazing! But yea we have to be realistic.
100% agree with sony here. i just hope i agree with sony with regards to its backwards compatibility plans as well... which is still very much an unknown right now.
@Tharsman i believe guerilla has been working on a horizon sequel for 2 years already... meaning, it is pretty likely we will see the ps5 sequel in 2021 at some point. bluepoint is rumoured to be releasing a ps5 exclusive in the launch window that will be a very good showcase for the console. there is a very good chance sony has other 1st part games aimed for 2021 as well. cerny made it clear that the dev tools are even easier and more efficient on ps5 compared to other console generations and should help to get devs up and running faster. so i have to disagree — i don't think it will take two full years before we see top tier ps5 exclusives released.
@3Above Very true. That stupid cell processor in the PS3 is still coming back to bite us in the proverbial. I know that PS3 emulation is avilable on PC, and for the most part it works ok, but given the developers didnt have access to the source code, its quite impressive.
As sony have the original source/micro code, it would be relativly easy for them to make an emulator. The only down side is your not using variable frequency to match the PS3, quite the opposite, you would be using all of those 16 cores to brute force a software solution, kinda like trying to swat a fly with a bulldozer heh.
On thinking about it, it would actually take more processing power to make PS3 games run on a PS5 than PS4 Pro games, which is crazy now i think about it lol. The PS4 wouldnt have had the raw grunt to do somthing like that, which is probably why we never got back compat with it.
So yeah, its possible, realativly easy with the new chipset, but i guess its a case of wether they think its cost effective.
Yes, as long as it's not the weird bendy armed bad art design that is usually the case with games at the start of a generation. That really irks me, environment looks great but character design always looks 2 generations old. I don't know if developers get told to tone things down and pace things out across a consoles lifespan or not, but normally the first few games look pretty bad.
Aside from PSP and the Vita, I still haven't upgraded from the PS1 XD
I upgraded my PS4 to a PS4 pro and have regretted it ever since. It's nice to have better graphics but nowhere near worth the money I spent doing it. If I owned an Xbox one s there's no way I'd upgrade. Totally pointless, we all know launch versions of consoles have technical problems/cooling issues. Without exclusive amazing experiences, why would you bother?
@Belekai Yes the Cell was such a double edged sword. Its impressive what you could do when properly optimized so much so that they designing a Navi chip to handle audio the way a Cell SPU would. But it's so different that you have to brut force emulation. Which unless the max clocks on CPU and GPU can do that while not reaching those heat/power constraints PS3 emulation will be off the cards.
I love Microsoft's approach to BC for the Series X but new exclusive games are what sell me new hardware, so if Sony is pushing on this then I'll likely get a ps5 first when I jump into the new twins in 2023 or so.
The way I see it is: Better graphics, faster loading and more storage are just the natural advances we always see with computer technology. It's expected. PS1 was truly viable and affordable CD gaming. PS2 added DVD support and online play. PS3 went to blue ray and added an internal hard drive rather than memory cards. PS4 added VR. What is PS5 bringing to the table?
I don't care about specs and numbered generations. Two things matter:
1. The games themselves. This is always most important. I don't care if the games are technically impressive. Are they fun? Are they interesting? Do I see them and want to play them? Do the stories draw me in?
2. What new features does the system have? The inside of the console can be made of fruit cake for all I care. What does it do?
I understand the concept of exclusivity but don't relate to it. I buy hardware not for the exclusive games but for the ability to play these games on it; if I don't get this ability due to oft-discussed factors (as is the case with the majority of home consoles nowadays), the games practically as locked out for me as if I didn't have the console at all. But as long as I get this ability, I give zero hoots about where else they are also released. Like I said before, PlayStation can have BotW, SMO and all the other such stuff for all I care.
So in this case, my take on the new games to be announced is more about PS5 features to be revealed. An estimatedly home console through and through, it can only put me in the relative market with its streaming options (Vita would be a confident yes but is extremely unlikely, laptops and mobiles would be a vague and reluctant maybe); if it doesn't, I will naturally be biased towards the idea of having them be cross-gen and appear on PS4 for as long as possible.
I'd say the idea of generations is one of the main features that separates consoles from PC. When you buy a console, you do so with the understanding that basically all games released for that platform (even if there's a 'pro' variant a few years later) will run on that launch console until it reaches the end of life. Then, when the company announces the next gen, you buy the new one with the same expectation.
This in mind, I don't really get what Xbox is going for here. What's the point of investing millions into R&D on a shiny new box, if you don't intend on using any of its distinct advantages in a meaningful way? I'm not interested in a Series X, but even if I were, what would be the point of me buying one in November when I could buy a One for cheaper and play the exact same games, just at lower performance?
Yeah, graphics and performance are lovely, but I'm more interested in the hardware allowing for more ambitious and better designed games than prettier ones. Same reason I never bought a PS4 Pro; the upgrades are notable, but not enough for me to shell out another few hundred bucks to play the same games I already can.
@SwitchVogel I always figured they were essentially aiming for a high quality, relatively low-cost, easy to use gaming PC for the living room. And if that's the case it makes sense for them to start pushing for digital delivery and cross-generational support with a device that features mostly multi-platfrom titles. I get it, and to an extent agree with it, but like many PS fans I prefer the generational approach and platform exclusives. For me PlayStation delivers cinematic, story-focused gaming better than any other platform and as long as they do that I'll probably have one under my TV.
@Arugula Fits what I want, new first party titles taking advantage of all the new features. Big catalogue of PS4 titles I can finished while I wait on more PS5 only titles. Gives developers a head start and helps sell PS5s 😎
@__jamiie
"But that I also I own better systems and games than everyone here"
What kind of an idiot of a comment is that?
Sarcasm mate. Pointing out that certain people are oblivious to their opinions not being fact.
@3Above Im running a 2700X, a second gen Zen processor. I dont have any issue running a PS3 emulator. Given the PS5 is an 8 core-16 thread third gen Zen soc, it should be able to handle it just fine with room to spare, especially if the emulator is optimized by the original architects.
Im 100% certain they can do it, hell even PSNow runs PS3 games on sonys own in house emulator. Its just a case of weather they believe it to be worth the hassle
@Belekai o really hope they do. Given what Xbox Back Compat did this gen I would think they would find it irresistible to be able to say PS5 plays EVERY PLAYSTATION GENERATION
@3Above Yeah man, wouldnt that be somthing? We can always hope
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