Yes, there’s some ongoing ambiguity in Microsoft’s wording, but many PlayStation fans probably find themselves trapped in the first stage of grief: denial. Phil Spencer and his cohorts could probably still be a little clearer, but the writing is on the wall: once Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo release, outside of ongoing service games like Fallout 76 and The Elder Scrolls Online, a Bethesda game will not release on a PlayStation platform again.
It’s a disruptive and hugely disappointing development, which threatens to upset the industry’s status quo. While there’s nothing overtly surprising about the move – Bethesda was a publisher pumping out commercial clangers on the regular – it means that the PlayStation 5’s overall software slate is destined to be weaker overall. You may have your own opinions on the Fallout, DOOM, and The Elder Scrolls franchises – but they’re unquestionably major franchises to lose.
But which is the biggest loss to Sony’s next-gen console overall? Between the likes of Wolfenstein and Dishonored, Bethesda’s stable is large and varied – and it’s even expanding with the upcoming Indiana Jones. Which absent brand is going to hurt PlayStation the most, and what can the Japanese giant do to plug the gaps left behind? Navigate your way to acceptance in the comments section, and let us know the biggest miss in the poll below.
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If I only played on PlayStation, I'd be really pissed losing out on Elder Scrolls. Oblivion and Skyrim were major things in my circle of friends during middle and high school. I have a lot of fond memories with that series.
Though I'm not all that enamored by this current iteration of Doom, I am a life long fan of the series so I understand things could change. For this reason I picked Doom.
Not too worried about any of the rest.
Whatever happens, it’s such a shame. I can’t be without future Fallout and Elder Scrolls games so looks like I’ll be getting a Series X in a few years!
I think that the people saying 'none of them' aren't being truthful.
@__jamiie
None of them! 😅
Elder Scrolls is huge, even if you don’t like it you have to realise it not being on PlayStation is a pretty big deal.
@RBMango I agree, and I voted for Elder Scrolls too, its cultural relevance is so big that it will be something Playstation will miss.
But at the same time, the quality of Elder Scrolls had been going down since Morrowind with every iteration (not saying Skyrim was bad, it was really great, but didn't come close to Morrowind in term of immersion, RPG mechanics and stroytelling), so who knows how the next one will be. I'm betting on Elder Scrolls 6 and ESO 2 being the same game!
If the Indiana Jones game turns out great, then that’s probably the one I’ll miss the most. I’ve never had much interest in Bethesda franchises, but I get why they’re a big deal.
If I'm honest I'm more disappointed about Obsidian and any future Outer Worlds or Avowed. Whilst I loved Doom (2016) I wasn't that keen on Eternal and play far more classic Doom and it'll be many years before any Elder Scrolls or Fallout. If they turn out good (and exclusive) I have a PC anyway and will probably get a Series X at some point
Whatever kind of games you like, this is a big blow to Sony. I'll admit not having played any Bethesda game that I really loved the last generation, but I'm the outlier here. This is huge, and their catalogue will be sorely missed by a lot of player, and will influence their decision to go Microsoft or Sony.
What will be Sony's answer? They can continue only so much with their current exclusive track records, and at one point, Game Pass and its ever growing library is going to be hard to compete with...
Elder Scrolls is a big loss - if the PS loses it. Remember that game is over 2 years away and a lot of PS5s and XBoxes will be sold in that time. If the PS5 'does a PS4' and outstrips the X Series, a catastrophic lack of revenue will make MS think again. Either that or they'll launch Elder Scrolls for Kinect 2...
@__jamiie I've never played any of the games listed above, so I can't say. I may have played Starfield, or a new ES, but if they look as janky as the average Bethesda game, it's not a big loss for me personally.
Only Indiana jones. To be honest I don't think there will be any future games in at least 5 of those franchises.
Why are Starfield and Indiana Jones up there? None of those games have been release yet. They aren't even established game franchises. We also know so little about those games too to even care....
@__jamiie Why? There are actually people out there (not fanboys) that do not like those games....
Elder scrolls and thats it, the rest are the kind of games I won't miss
One of my biggest gaming regrets was buying an xbox one. It seems if Arkane games are going to be exclusive to xbox, I’ll have to try my luck again...
I JUST REALISED WE AREN'T GETTING THE INDIANA JONES GAME WHYYY 😭😭😭😭
I will miss the One who has no bugs
Honestly, Elder Scrolls, Fallout and DOOM are all huge losses.
@rpg2000 I just find it hard to believe that the number would be that high. Objectively, there are some amazing game franchises on that list.
I'm sorry but we don't know if any of those franchises will skip PS5 because once again Phil Spencer is incapable of giving a straight answer. At no point has he said "Bethesda's most iconic IPs will be exclusive to Xbox and PC" he's had plenty of chances to do so and hasn't.
Honestly PS your milking this story to death now.
@Octane If you haven't played any of them then fair enough. But it is a list of generally good games.
@__jamiie
None of them because i own both systems
@Olmaz I have some major concerns about ES6 considering what Betheada is like now. I'd be a lot more confident if they hadn't made Fallout 76 and that awful Blades mobile game.
@__jamiie a lot of salty fans out there man.
@TrueAssassin86x Apologies. I was assuming it was mainly people who wouldn't have access to them moving forward that would be picking that option.
@TrueAssassin86x yeah man but the question is which will PS5 miss? Not which will you miss. I don’t think a lot are even reading the article or the actual question 😒 Even if you don’t like any of them you have to admit something like elder scrolls not being on PS5 is a negative.
@__jamiie I voted none of them. Cus I've got both.
Not one developer has ever held my attention, or in fact the entire gaming community’s attention like Bethesda have. Not even GTA can retain players without an online component, and you have single player games in Fallout 3 & Skyrim still being played to death after a decade. That’s a big deal if they’re not on PlayStation and it is the sole reason why I knew I had to have a series x, many others will do the same. Absolute power move by Microsoft to be honest.
@__jamiie honestly, none of them. And I have an XSX with GPU so they're not going anywhere for me - they just don't interest me! Nonetheless, I recognise I am maybe in the minority and it will undoubtedly be a blow to Sony
Only a vaguely similar topic, I'm really hoping that Sony push Insomniac into giving us a sequel to Sunset Overdrive. It was never going to happen on Xbox but Sony purchasing them has given me new hope.
I picked Fallout, tho it was a tough choice. Wolfenstein and Doom are great shooters and Dishonored was fun. Although I liked Rage and Prey I dont remember many people playing them so I dont think they'll be getting sequels. If Bethesda can bring back thier A game with Microsofts backing and produce some great titles then il invest in a series X down the line.
I voted DOOM.
However I see Starfield got a mention in the list.
Have I missed something, as all I've heard about this title is the name only.
Are there any previews, videos, reveals, screenshots about it out there?
Everyone's very excited about what at the moment is a bit of vapourware.
@Razrye888 Yes I didn't think my reasoning for people giving that answer through.
Surprised Fallout is so low in the poll!
@get2sammyb 3 and New Vegas are classics. 4 is very good but I think 76 tarnished the series for a lot of people.
@__jamiie even if you’ve got both the question is which will PS5 miss, not which will you miss which is why I agreed with you those saying none aren’t being honest. The question isn’t about the individual it’s about the PlayStation ecosystem 😅
Dishonored and Prey belong to the very top of my list of my the most favourite games ever. I am gonna have to buy pc because of this abomination from Microsoft. Buying developer and then exclude platform is not very pro-players.
When was the last time they made a Quake game?!
The only bethesda games that I like are doom and elder scrolls.
@Fenbops Very true. Surely then the answer has to be all of them equally? 😂
By the time the next Elder Scrolls game comes out we'll be in the 1 console future so no biggie.
Just Fallout, but not to bitter since the last game was trash
And I’m not a big fan of Doom but their soundtrack was lit
The only real loss for me as a horror fan is whatever Tango Gameworks develops. But I’d be willing to bet Shinji Mikami jumps ship before long. You can buy up studios, but you can’t force the talent to stay.
I know the age of FPS games is past, but have to wonder whether there is scope for Insomniac to revive the resistance ip. With Doom, Wolfenstein and Halo now exclusive to Xbox, and Killzone seemingly on a break, is there a gap for a new sci fi shooter on Playstation? Id be delighted to see it return.
Elder scrolls is the biggie here. We dont know enough about Starfield yet (but presumably Sony saw enough of it to try and secure exclusivity), and Fallout is a series on the decline (unless Obsidian make a New Vegas sequel). Doom is a massive IP but after Eternal i do wonder if it will go on a little break. Quake has been nowhere to be seen for years and i wouldnt be surprised if Microsoft revive the ip - it would perform very well on gamepass.
Indiana Jones is gutting. I was pretty hyped for that. Of course, contractually, Disney may have demanded that it appears on multiple platforms - but we know that with Spiderman, they are open to exclusivity. With that said, when was the last good indiana jones game? Lego indy on PS2? I see Microsoft pitching that as a rival to Uncharted.
I think Dishonored will be done if Deathloop is successful. And at least we still get ghostwire tokyo.
So Elder Scrolls (pending Starfield potentially being great) is the big one. But my concern is more what comes next. There is an increasingly small pool of developers out there, and if the likes of Square Enix, Sega or Capcom fell to Microsoft id be devastated.
Does make me wonder if Sony will break the bank to get exclusivity on GTA 6
@get2sammyb the last two fallouts haven't been the best tbh and Vegas was done by obsidian so thats probably why it won't be missed
I'll miss Wolfenstein and Doom (if they even plan to make more of those). I voted Wolfenstein.
Doom and elder scrolls...
Dishonored, that is all. Arkane are a great developer and I wish them the best.
This is an absolutely impossible question because we do not know what Bethesda games will release on PlayStation and which won’t. All that was said is that games will be exclusive to Gamepass compatible systems unless they have a legacy or community on other platforms. Which could include any and all of those you listed in the case of PlayStation (I mean, I remember playing Doom on PS1 long before I got my Xbox and Xbox 360 for example).
However, if we are to run with the more “exciting” story that everything is going to be held back from PlayStation systems, then I’d say Elder scrolls. I haven’t loved one since they introduced level scaling after Morrowind, but the potential is huge and Sony themselves have nothing like it really.
Doom and wolfenstein. Though the doom dlc looks like it’s wrapping up the plot nicely. Wolfenstein Youngblood sucked but the previous titles were ace.
Not sure why people are expecting a sequel to prey, whilst it was a great game I’m under the impression it’s sale figures underperformed.
Put aside your feelings on recent entries or whether you even cared about them at all but PlayStation potentially being barred for good on getting stuff like Elder Scrolls VI, Fallout 5 and the next DOOM & Wolfenstein games is a massive blow to the console's library
I will miss Fallout the most, but clearly TES is the biggest loss.
Dishonored by far .... one of my fave series.
Dishonored for me.i love those games.word ☝ up son
@Voltan me too. I loved wolfenstien.
Only one I really liked was Evil Within, and to be honest, RE has eclipsed it now anyway. I prefered Doom 3 and Wolfenstein Tides of War to these modern ones. Indiana Jones, what was the last good one, Lego? I guess the PSP version of Staff of Kings was OK.
This poll is a little funky, asking what "Playstation" will miss the most, rather than what WE as Playstation PLAYERS will miss the most. I think Playstation will miss The Elder Scrolls/Fallout the most, simply based on revenue, but for me personally, I'll miss Wolfenstein the most.
None tbh. The Evil Within 2 was excellent though.
@playstation1995 Actually, I agree, Dishonored was really good too!
For me it's Fallout, Elder Scrolls and Evil Within. Either way, looks like I'm getting both consoles eventually this gen. Never had an Xbox before but I'm too dummy for Pc. And I just don't like gaming on Pc lol.
@TheFrenchiestFry I'm inclined to agree. Which is why I'm still somewhat in denial that established franchises will be excluded from the PlayStation ecosystem.
Seems like it's basically cutting into your profits. I mean surely Microsoft isn't expecting every PS owner to run out and buy an Xbox over this right?
Idk we'll see. I do know it's hard to ignore how carefully Phil Spencer seems to word all his statements regarding future releases. I imagine that's intentional.
DOOM VR A OH wait 😂
I think if all of them go probably DOOM would be the biggest loss as it's the franchise that deviates the most from Sony's 1st party focus of AAA open world experiences.
As far as I'm concerned, none of them.
I played Fallout 3 on PS3 and enjoyed it, even though it was a bit of a half-assed mess. I picked up New Vegas when I owned a 360 for a while, but found it so similar to 3 that I really couldn't be bothered and didn't play more than a few hours.
I had the original Dishonored on PS3 and that was okay (still got it, actually), but I never bothered with the second game.
Doom... I enjoyed the original way back on PC and on PS1, but I can't say I'm a huge fan of the series. I got whatever version it was that they released on the original Xbox, but never completed it.
Never had any interest in the other games they make, as I'm not that big of an RPG fan. And to be fair, a lot of their recent output has been so laughably bug-ridden that my own personal nickname for them is Bugtester Notworks.
So this their acquisition by MS makes very little difference to me personally. In the not-impossible-but-highly-unlikely event they produce anything I want in the future, I have a PC... which from what I've read in the past is arguably the best place to lay their games anyway.
@RBMango At some point in the not so far future, I'll be getting a PS5. By the time TES 6 comes out, hopefully I'll also have a decent PC to play it
The only studio I care about with this acquisition is Tango Gameworks because of Shinji Mikami (the father of Resident Evil). I like The Evil Within games and the games he makes. If ever in the future he makes say The Evil Within 3, most likely it's an Xbox exclusive and not coming to PlayStation. All the other studios I'm not really bothered about.
@Ristar24. Oh yeahhhh.dishonored is amazing.word up son
I am genuinely gutted that no new elder scrolls or fallout are gonna be on playstation its a sad day for gaming in general when one massive publisher like Bethesda is under one roof!
@playstation1995 Thanks for the reminder, I need to get around to the sequel at some point, I really enjoyed the first!
Fallout 3 and New Vegas were massive games for me so I had to pick that. But there are some huge IPs on this list.
I still don't think this is the hammer blow it's made out to be for the PS5 though. I think we could be looking at a next gen Xbox launching with a remastered Elder Scrolls VI and a tailor-made Fallout 5. I know I keep saying it but I think Microsoft are looking quite far ahead with this move.
Honestly if that means Microsoft will have enough leverage over Sony to make them backtrack over their stern approach to exclusives I'm for missing some games on PlayStation for the next few years.
I guess I will have to play those on Stadia or something if that thing won't fold.
The only series I would miss is Elder Scrolls but considering Skyrim came out almost 10 years ago and the next installment is nowhere to be seen I don't think I will be missing many elder scrolls games anyway. I got my xbox series x but I seriously can never be bothered playing it... gamepass is great for a lot of people but I just don't think it's the model for me which is crap considering I've bought 3 years of it XD
I own quit a few of of the games but, the only one I ever played to the end is the Wolfenstein games. Anyone can buy a Xbox or PC to play them! It's not like they are just gone. I have a very able PC but I wont bother.
Gotta be honest, as a huge fan of the movies I was so on board for the idea of a Bethesda-helmed Indiana Jones game. Now, with how unlikely it is to come to PS5, not so much...
Fallout for me. Loved Fallout 3 and 4. So I will be annoyed not to get Fallout 5.
However, not annoyed enough to buy an X-Box. I'll just switch to something else on PS5 to get my RPG fix.
I’m a die-hard ESO player. I like the ES world but as long as ESO remains I’m content.
Don’t understand why everyone is so hyped for Indiana Jones. Has there been gameplay I’ve missed? I have no idea what type of game it is going to be. Maybe another point and click?
Star field is another one I can’t understand why it will be on the list. No one knows if it’s any good? Elder scrolls, fallout and doom are probably the only ones that will be missed as they are established franchises but how do you miss games that haven’t even been played by anyone ever?
@Ristar24. No problem playa.thres 3 dishonored games.i doubt there will be another one.but sony need to buy bluepoint games already and from software and square enix.they got a great relationship with sony.word up son
TRASHBOX aka WAITBOX just become the most pointless console ever
@marty8370
PrayStation?
@playstation1995 Yep, Bluepoint have done amazing work, no doubt. My PS4 has given up at the moment so probably waiting to get a PS5 before I get around to any more new games. Enjoying the PS3 for the moment!
@AdamNovice I could not agree more.
I love this site, but this feels like clickbait. Unlike what the article says, I'm not in denial and regardless of the future I could see myself purchasing a Series X later on in its life cycle.
Major franchises could very well be exclusive to Xbox, but I don't think anyone has the answer to that, not even Microsoft.
Gamepass did get more valuable though!
I voted for the elder scrolls although I've never played it.
So I think that series will be the biggest blow to ps as a whole if its gone.
Personally speaking I'm not too bothered, I'll buy deathloop if it reviews well and ghost wire also looks good.
At the end of the day if we're that bothered as consumers, we'd buy into the ms ecology.
I don't really want to, I don't have time for two main machines but it is an option nonetheless and we all like games don't we?
It sucks though but it's still very very vague, and some of the games listed are nothing more than titles!
Have to say that Obsidian was the bigger loss than Bethesda in terms of western RPG output.
GAMES SELL BETTER ON PLAYSTATION PERIOD
@marty8370 Chill dicklicker, put that tongue away. You ain't getting any closer to a Sony sponsorship with your fanboyism in all caps
Well seeing as the next game in the series of Doom,Elder Scrolls,Dishonoured etc etc won't be out for years yet anyway I don't think we will miss any of them.
@__jamiie Tbf, I've read the question wrong, I thought it said "Which Bethesda game will YOU miss most on PS5?" and in that case it's none
@mariomaster96 Yeah I misread other people's reading of it too. 😂 PS5 will miss them all if they're good games moving forward. They're never going to be to everyone's taste but a good game will always be a good game. There are tons of games that aren't my cup of tea and I will never play. But I can appreciate that they're well made and a good example of what they are.
I doubt I'll miss any game developed to be free Day One on GamePass. Thing about the 1st party games that MS dumped on GamePass, none of them were of any consequence to the Industry. Sony and Nintendo 1st party games are made to be AAA because they need to command actual sales, not to be simply given away. I highly doubt that any game developed for release on GamePass will be anything more than a work-in-progress from worn-out franchises that had very limited sales potential anyway. I feel sorry for Bethesda developers who are now realizing that their company will lose 90% of their software sales and will never even cover their development costs due to all their new games being given away for free on PC and Xbox.
If there was an all of them choice, I would've voted that😂
And this is why I have always been a multi system gamer.
TES and Fallout are big ones, I've spent 1000's of hours in those worlds, but also Dishonoured, Doom and Wolfenstein. But the fact is, with everything coming to GamePass I won't miss anything and I like the game pass model. End of last gen, my PS4 pro gathered dust. Only used for the great PS exclusives with its rocket engine fans. I never saw this gen going that way but since Demod souls I've only bought Cyberpunk (pc) and played game pass and EA play games. Never mind what else happens we know PS will roll out its own 9/10 exclusives along the way. But I do wonder will I be willing to pay £60 a pop by then?
I still stand by my previous comment here. Sony and Microsoft are poles apart in their goals. Sony want to sell as many machines as possible that are solely tied to their ecosystem. Microsoft doesn't care how many machines they sell at all but they want their ecosystem on as many platforms as possible. They're aiming to get Game Pass on everything that has a WiFi connection and some kind of storage. PlayStation and Nintendo gamers that want to play Zenimax/Bethesda games don't have to buy an Xbox. They can have an Android phone. Soon to be an Apple phone. Tablet. Laptop. PC. Anyone claiming that Microsoft is halving their potential revenue by not producing games for PS5, really doesn't understand that they aren't playing the same game as Sony and Nintendo anymore.
I voted elder scrolls but Skyrim bored me to tears and I have up on it.
I mean I appreciated how amazing the world was etc but damn I couldn’t face one more dungeon of repetitiveness after 20 or so hours...
Anyway time for Sony to buy square lol
@Ristar24. I got my ps4 pro for more than 4 years and it still looks brand new.i got more than 40 games i need to finish.so im enjoying my ps4 pro.sony need to stop playing around and buy new studios already.word up son
Can't choose, my top 3 in no order are Fallout, ES and Dishonored. It's a huge blow if these games become exclusive. Just going to hope I'm rich enough to buy both consoles if they become exclusive 😊
Can't vote for two. I will miss Fallout and the Elder Scrolls.
I won't miss any of them, I'll just buy a series X in a couple of years with game pass.
TES and Fallout. That is the next regular single player version of those 2 series. However when will i miss them? 2021, 2022, 2023....? Then too Bethesda needs to start releasing any good/great games for those without a system to play them on to feel like they are missing something.
That's why I hate exclusivity, it only benefits the seller and the victims are the buyers.. I've always been against Playstation exclusivity even though I have all their consoles but I felt the unfairness for Xbox owners.
Thank God it's Bethesda though.
Fallout. These bar stewards are actually gonna make me buy an Xbox. Something I never planned to do.
None of them??? Denial!!!
@playstation1995 My PS4 I'd had since 2014 just went wrong after 8.03, keeps going into safe mode...Its difficult to find a new Pro and PS5 is impossible. I could get one used, but may just wait. I think its possible Games like Dishonored and Evil Within may still be on PlayStation if they make sequels, hopefully.
The one I'll miss most isn't on there. My choice is a little moist; some will even say it's Wet.
I might have been interested in trying the next Starfield and Elder Scrolls games assuming they got amazing reviews but I literally have zero current investment in any of these series.
Most of them fill that 'I'd probably like them if I tried them but never got around to it' space.
Tried Dishonored, didn't like it. Tried a multiplayer beta for Doom and didn't like it but think I might if I tried the singleplayer... I was given Skyrim for the 360 but never actually played it since it sounded like a massive time investment and I was busy playing other stuff.
@__jamiie spot on. To be honest, give it a year or so and i am convinced Xbox will will be on smart tv's, or releasing some kind of chromecast device you can plug in to your tv. You will be able to pick up a controller and go. Its just a matter of time. The potential market they will be able to tap into is huge
It's not my favourite (at all) but The Elder Scrolls does have a lot of fans. So that one is obviously the one Sony will miss most
Nobody is asking the real question...
Does Soulja Boy’s gaming console count as a legacy machine for Bethesda!?! I’d hate to see those guys miss out on future games
Objectively, the only answer here is Elder Scrolls. Personally, I'll miss playing DOOM on PS5 but it what it is, just have to get a Series X when it's available in stores again.
@GamerDad66 I doubt the developers will care along as Microsoft's bottomless bank accounts continues to write their paycheck, and Microsoft doesn't interfere too much.
Annoyed I can't add Indians Jones platinum to my list but I'll just get an Xbox Fridge when they are a bit cheaper, to play it. Same with Fallout 5 and New Vegas 2.
@2cents 🤣🤣🤣
@Spanky Wet will never get a sequel sadly
@TooBarFoo Base.com and the game collection pretty much guarantee you won't have to pay 60 quid a game.
@TheFrenchiestFry not really, Sony will probably buy out Rockstar or someone. And that means no Gta6 on Xbox Fridge or Xbox Mini Fridge. Don't forget Rockstar games all started on a ps platform. Gta is very much a ps franchise.
Elder scrolls is the only thing I will miss playing on console, everything else I'll either never play or less likely to get on PC.
Fallout and Elder are the ones I'll miss but good old Xbox and having their games on PC as well means that I'll still be able to play those games in the future.
Shame they will still use that old engine for their upcoming sequels :
Deathloop if the sequel is xbox and Pc
@NemesisSam30 This is what I'm thinking too. 1 Mill in GTA Online and free refresh nex Gen update only for PlayStation
Obviously, the answer is Elder Scrolls. Personally, I'll miss anything single-player by Bethesda, Oblivion, Arkane, or id. These are HUGE losses, and to act like they aren't is to act very ostrich-like, with your head buried in sand. The loss of these studios means I'm definitely getting a new X-box, and it may even mean I get one before a PS5.
EDIT: @get2sammyb What's the name of your Xbox sister site again? I'll be bookmarking it for the future.
For me the bethesda main games will continue releasing in ps5, maybe with temporary exclusivity but still.
Doom & the evil within are my picks from that list although I did enjoy fallout 3 & tes oblivion didn't feel the same about fallout 4 or Skyrim though
For me it’s:
1. Fallout
2. Dishonored
3. Wolfenstein
....
4. Everything else.
The good news is I have an Xbox so I won’t really miss them. I’m just annoyed I won’t be able to get the platinum trophy to add to my list lol.
@deathaxe
"Given that this week we've seen windows 10 update break printers (again) and MS exchange server being hacked by the chinese so tens of thousands of email servers have been compromised I can't see MS being any mark of quality."
Seriously? Someone forgot about the PSN Hack which compromised +70 million PS accounts = 1 of the largest data security breaches in history.
@__jamiie Im truthful about it as I've tried the games but I didn't care for them enough to miss them. Elder Scrolls aren't the type of RPGs that I like to play. If prey was like its 2006 predecessor and not whatever it was they attempted to do maybe I'd care more. Last fallout I played was 3 and didn't even finish with it because I got bored. At the end of the day people like what they like and it sucks for those that do like these types of games.
Just Wolfenstein & Doom, both are normally day one purchases for me and Wolfenstein the most, really disappointed if we can't finish the trilogy even if I could never get the platinum trophy (looking at you Mein Leben). Sony just need to pull their finger out and make new Resistance and Killzone games!!!!
@__jamiie I guess the people who won’t miss them on ps5 have both consoles. I’m lucky and have both, but would much rather have the games on ps5 with the extra dual sense features.
Loved Skyrim put in over 400hrs on it but that was on PS3 .Doom , Dishonored and Evil Within , Wolfenstein great series but all games i picked up for less than 10 bucks on PSN sales will miss them but i can live without them
Arkane as a whole is the big loss for me. Bethesda can keep their "false Fallout". Every gamer knows the classic franchise died with Project Van Buren.
@Mostik with Killzone 2 "feels". YES, PLEASE.
The loss here is the potential. If in the future some of the franchises produce great content. Sony can do a lot in 2 years to counter Microsoft. Guess we'll have to wait and see 🤔
Fallout: New Vegas was one of my favourite all time games but Bethesda didn't make that one, and most of the writers behind it at Obsidian have left too, so it doesn't leave me with much to miss.
I've never played an Elder Scrolls game, but I'm open to starting one day. And I've never played an Arkane game but I appreciate how quirky they are - so probably one of those.
Gotta be The Elder Scrolls, Skyrim is probably my most played game of all time.
I have never played a Fallout game but I reckon I would've enjoyed this series. Too late now.
For me I will miss elder Scrolls the most, will also miss fallout but didn't enjoy 4 as much as 3 and New Vegas. Think I will wait and see to get an Xbox to play them. I wouldn't mind waiting a year or two if they did come to playstation, but buying a Xbox just for two games is going to be hard to justify really.
As we don't know what franchises, particularly the existing ones, will be released on Playstation and which 'could' be exclusive. Its clear that ESO and Fallout 76 will continue to be supported on Playstation so that may mean those two franchises continue to release on Playstation.
We know games like Doom, Wolfenstein, Elder Scrolls and Fallout all started on PC's first and/or have more connection to Xbox. Doom 3 for example released on Xbox first and it wasn't until the BFG remaster released that Playstation owners got to play that game.
That being said, games released in the past 10yrs have released on both PS and XB simultaneously - even if one had marketing and/or other bonuses.
Its far too early to know what will happen with the 'new' IP's we know about - ie Starfield and Indiana Jones. Both were announced before the 'deal' was completed and we don't know if there are any contractual reasons to stop MS making these Exclusive. LucasArts may not of agreed to Machine Games making Indiana if it was exclusive to MS, although Disney were OK for Insomniac and Crystal Dynamics to keep Spider-Man on Playstation only. We don't know what 'contractual agreements' are in place...
I don't think MS would stop a Wolfenstein 3 coming to PS if its the 3rd of a trilogy. They may keep a Wolfenstein if its not a direct continuation.
You can read into the statement either optimistically or pessimistically. Read that ALL games will be Exclusive bar the games that are Contracted (Deathloop, Ghostwire) or already on-going (Elder Scrolls Online, Fallout 76). The fact that all these franchises started on PC and/or have more association with Xbox meaning that PS will miss out OR read into it that because all these franchises have released on Playstation for the last 10yrs or more so its more likely that Playstation will only miss out on any 'new' IP's that may be created after MS took over. Even be optimistic that Starfield and Indiana may have some Contractual reason to release on PS too...
I expect somewhere between these two extremes will end up being the case...
The last game of theirs I really enjoyed was Wolfenstein New Order, but the series has gone down hill since then. I have both systems, and 20 of their games dropped on gamepass yesterday and I haven't installed a single one. I believe this is a blow to Sony, but we have yet to see the quality of all these studios under MS. Are they given time to breath or forced out to keep gamepass relevant. Time will tell. I'm still very excited for the games Sony has coming out for the PS5.
Plus i think a lot of people don't realise that they are trying to have the gamepass app on new TVs by the end of this year. As the streaming quality gets better, all you'll need is a controller, app on your TV and an active subscription and you'll be away. MS don't care if you have their box under your TV, they just want your subscription.
5% miss something without seeing a second of gameplay have a word with yourself lol
New LG oled with x-cloud built in, just sub and buy a controller. I can see where they're going with this.
Its just Netflix with games.
Savvy.
Makes a change for MS Imo
First, you can't lose something that hasn't been announced yet. The current games are staying. Second, nobody said "forever exclusives". It could be Deathloop style exclusives. There are monetary reasons to sell, when you make a game for way north of $100 million (think next Elder Scrolls) and then have to put it out on a subscription service. This isn't and won't be sustainable, unless half of the world subscribes to your service.
So, no. Nobody will miss anything, because there will be nothing to miss.
@Fenbops true
@Darth_Stofi as a PC gamer I say exclusives are anti consumer in general but Xbox has to respond to Sony and they hold up and promote exclusives so this is their answer to that
Is it time to move on yet?
I still find it hard to believe ms wont publish elder scrolls and fallout on ps thats a hell of a lot of money theyre giving up on,however shouldnt really be an issue for anyone its not like playstation users are banned from buying an xbox,and besides I thought phil Spencer didn't like console exclusivity 😂😂 pants on fire
I have had a good think about this and I will honestly not miss any. Time will tell I guess on how it will all pan out but with everything in life, game developers always move on, studios will close.
Getting the Xbox so I don’t miss out on this, it pays to not be a loyalist
So have I miss remembered when bethesda n xbox announced any announced games would still be on Sony and es6 has been announced?? apart from that dishonored is my pick but that's done and dusted for now (though dishonored 3 announcement would be awesome 😁😇)
I guess I'm in the minority here, but I really dont get how the bethesda purchase become such a big del. I know they used to be up there with the big boys but havent they gotten a lot of crap not long ago about having buggy games or something? Also the only titles that would suck to see go exclusive is doom and skyrim. I dont even play skyrim but I get how popular it is. Also its not the end of the world. An xbox is $300-$400. Wont take too long to put a little bit of money away for one if it comes down to it.
I won't miss any Bethesda game, but only because I was very luck and was able to get Both a PS5 and an Xbox Series X on launch.
I can't believe how hard they are to get for actual RRP now because of the scalpers.
@ronb44 They've always had buggy games when it comes to their big two (Fallout and Skyrim).
The only thing saving them is they actually facilitate modding. Then again, that saves the actual developers having to fix their own broken games as the community does it far better.
Look at Fallout 76. They are just adding Perk Loadouts, but the modding community added it about a year ago for PC.
@viktorcode They currently have over 18 million subscribers ..
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-01-27-xbox-game-pass-grows-to-18-million-subscribers#:~:text=Like%20and%20subscribe.&text=Microsoft%20has%20announced%20a%20new,last%20mentioned%20in%20September%202020. ..
At an average of around £12 each per month, that equals roughly £2.5 billion per year.
@Serialsid What worries me was when Microsoft said..
'As we shared previously, it’s vitally important that Bethesda continues making games the way it always has.'
Which to me means buggy and on old game engines.
@Vyns it will be very interesting to see the quality of the games from all these studios they've bought, not just Bethesda. One thing I will say with Sony is that their games don't release until they are ready(mostly 🙂). Whereas MS have to start delivering games and regulary at some point to keep gamepass the great value it is.
Also your other post, ive never paid £12 a month for gamepass, always get deals from different retailers online. And they are probably counting the people who do the £1 offer. Be interesting to know the amount that are subscribing monthly.
@Vyns The big question what profit, if any, they are making on it? For the whole 2020 Microsoft was expanding the service aggressively, even offering subscription for as low as $1. That's what you do when you need to grow numbers now in hopes of payoff some time in the future.
Consider that a hit game brings in profit in tens of millions. Having that opportunity next to what they are making will always create a pressure to just go and take it now. After all, it is a publicly trading company, and they cannot afford their entertainment business wing to stop generating profits.
Game pass is a juggernaut that i dont think sony have depper enough pockets to compete with. Real game changer for xbox.
pritty sure it wont affect PS5 sales much, but will sure boost xbsx sales.
Am I the only one who gets physically ill from playing fallout 4? If I don't take a bunch of diphenhydramine I'm guaranteed to puke within 20 minutes
@sanderson72 it's also gonna be on PC which is bigger than both PS5 and series x combined so no, they don't have to put the game on PlayStation. Not sure why you guys always forget us we are the biggest gaming demographic in the world.
Rage series lol. It's the only games I've ever played from them so this deal isn't the end of the world for me at all.
Elders Scrolls. Doom is ok, Fallout has been falling off. TBH Besthesda hasn't been killing it and Microsoft hasn't shown to elevate studios yet (e.g rare). Its a hit but Sony will plug this gap with something. I dont expect a splashy move but they have something up the sleeve.
Elder Scrolls peaked at Morrowind IMO so none of them.
This. This right here is why I'm against exclusives. It hurts gamers and only gamers. Regardless of platform. Same with a lot of pc games I wish to come to console. It's a business, I understand it to a point.
The last two Wolfenstein games were garbage.
None of them. I have a PC and can play them all there.
Honestly, looking back, I have never finished a ZeniMax game, which says all I really need to say. They're great to start out, but generally so bloated and boring by about 20 hours in that I never really feel bad about moving on. So, no, I'm not going miss them coming to PlayStation.
@__jamiie I've never played a single Bethesda game, other than Skyrim and even that one I've only played for a few hours.
In general, I feel like there are so many amazing games released nowadays that I could live without any particular game. I could even stop buying games and my backlog would be more than enough for the rest of my life.
Sure, most people don't feel this way, but it's not wise to make assumptions about others.
@SeverinMadara how much do multiplatform games sell on PC compared to consoles, or specifically on ps4, though? And how much do publishers make out of each purchase?
Just because there are technically more PC users, it doesn't mean it's more profitable to release games on PC than on ps4.
Doom has the best engine but whatever it’s an arcade shooter, not my thing.
Elder scrolls always has had bad engines. When I was a PC gamer it was fun but I’ll pass on console.
Maybe Indiana Jones? Tomb Raider and uncharted fill those niches.
@RBMango maybe once upon a time but the engines have never been mature enough. They are good PC games because players fix them.
By the time any of their major games come out the graphics card market should be much better so if I advise most people to just get a decent PC if you want these games so much. It's such a better investment than an Xbox.
@Slippship Sony ONLY own the Movie rights to Spider-Man, not the rights to Spider-Man as they are owned by Marvel (who is owned by Disney). Insomniac/Sony had to negotiate with Marvel to use the Spider-Man licence but of course Marvel also wanted to use Spider-Man in their Marvel Avengers movies.
That’s why we can see Spider-Man appear in mobile games like Marvel Future Fight, multiplatform games like LEGO Marvel Super Heroes 2, and even console-exclusive games like Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3: The Black Order for the Nintendo Switch. If Sony had owned his video game rights, you can bet he’d only be appearing on PlayStation.
Until 2014, Activision had the rights to make Spider-Man games and Sony has had the Movie rights since 1985. Let’s recap real quick. Marvel offered to let Sony publish an exclusive game. Sony approached Insomniac Games, which picked Spider-Man out of the entire Marvel catalogue of superheroes. The game released in 2018 and in 2019, Insomniac joined Sony.
Keep in mind, throughout all this, Insomniac Games nor Sony never actually owned the exclusive rights to Spider-Man. It was all part of that initial partnership deal. Adding Insomniac to PlayStation’s Worldwide Studios didn’t suddenly give Sony exclusive video game rights for Spider-Man. Those presumably still belong to Marvel.
Some ppl are in serious denial around here. As to be expected from fanboys i guess.
In any case, i don't think Indiana Jones will miss PS as it's a Lucasarts IP and prob falls into the "future contractual" things Phil Spencer was refering to.
@Slippship My first impression of Spider-Man was that it feels very similar to an old Spider-Man game - just with minor improvements thanks primarily to hardware advancements.
Anyway, point is we don't know what the future holds, what contractual agreements are in place etc. What we do know is that MS will get 'every' game made by these studios and Sony won't. Indiana Jones may well be one of those games that are contractually obligated to release on Playstation but then no-one expected a license like Spider-Man to be an Exclusive either.
Sony at least did have a bargaining chip to play with Disney/Marvel - the Movie Licence to Spider-Man and Disney/Marvel did want to use Spider-Man in their Avengers movies.
Someone could have persuaded LucasArts to allow Indiana Jones exclusivity on Xbox citing Sony's Uncharted as a direct competitor. Its no secret that Phil Spencer is a big fan of the Uncharted series and I wouldn't be surprised if he negotiated a deal to create or at least get an Indiana Jones game for Xbox. He did get Rise of the Tomb Raider as an exclusive for a year for Xbox. That being said, 'officially' MS didn't take over until this week and the game was announced before this - although after MS had announced its intention to purchase.
We can speculate all day about what games may fall under 'Contractual Agreements' or 'Legacy' but until each game announces what platforms they are releasing on, we don't really know for sure which games will be Exclusive (timed or otherwise).
PS users will 'hope' that a lot of games fall under Legacy or Contractual Agreements so they don't miss out (or feel they need to buy into Game Pass or PC/Xbox) and Xbox gamers will hope that 'everything' is 'exclusive'.
I think that ES6 and a Fallout 5 would release on PS because ESO and Fallout 76 are continuing on PS but we shall just have to wait and see...
I'm not thrilled about it but I'd already planned to buy a gaming PC in the next few years anyway. Not to mention, TES6 isn't coming out for a while, and I'm not really interested in Starfield since space sci-fi isn't my jam. I'll miss Dishonored loads, but again that's a franchise that's been shelved for the time being at least so nbd.
Fallout and Elder Scrolls, obviously. I can live without a Wolfenstein, Doom or Dishonored. Not buying an Xbox for it though. Next to my PS's there has to sit a Nintendo system, because Zelda. Zelda>Elder Scroll
@ThomasHL Make it Skyrim! I hated Oblivion back in the day, tried Skyrim half a year ago for PSVR and fell in love!
I will take good Bethesda exclusive over a trash Bethesda multiple platform any time
It's the bugginess I'll miss the most.
@naruball depends on what store they are on and you can't keep track of PC sales as well as console sales because consoles only have one place to buy games digitally. PC has EGS steam GOG GreenManGaming Origins Uplay G2A humble bundle kinguin etc... you can't exactly pinpoint how many copies sell on a PC. You can exactly pinpoint how many copies sell on a console quite easily though.
@vapidwolf blame Playstation they pulled the punches with the exclusive games and Microsoft still isn't exclusive the games are on PC also. Console exclusivity isn't that big a deal to begin with unless you are one of those people who only play on console. I don't understand those types of people anyway but more power to you pal you need an XBOX for Bethesda games now get one or get over it is all I can say.
I will miss The elder scrolls and Fallout. But, these were originally PC only games. Their quality was dropping and i expect them to contract significantly on sales and relevance without releasing on Playstation.
I am sure someone else will step up to the plate in the lack of Bethesda. There are many studios out there wanting to leave their mark and Bethesda lost sales will be someone else's gains.
No matter what Microsoft does, i will never again fall for their bait and switch schemes. So, the franchises are now dead to me. Microsoft will run them down, once sales are much worse. Don't fall for the scheme. Don't buy their bait and switch game pass and you will force them to drop the games market and release these IP to everyone again.
@Slippship The question was which games will PS5 miss. Not you. There are people who love these games that won't be able to play them because they only have a PS5. Therefore your personal preference is irrelevant.
@naruball Read the question again. Which games will PS5 miss? Not you. Not your particular choice of games. There are people who loves these games that won't be able to play them. Therefore PS5 is missing out.
@__jamiie pop I am. Never played a Bethesda game. So yes, I will miss a grand total of none of them. I do get the importance of these titles being taken from the PlayStation library though.
@OMGitsLiamT What games will PS5 miss. Not you.
@Slippship You misunderstood the question, responded to my comment in a stroppy way and then got hissy because I pointed that it wasn't about the games that you'll personally miss. Calm down mate.
@__jamiie bit uncalled for. Lmao weren't even being a d*ck to you. Just answered your question...... 🤔 Such a strange human you are
@OMGitsLiamT Thank you.
Shame about Elder Scrolls VI, for me, but that's about it. I feel for all those who love their Bethesda games though: Brutal!
@Slippship Sorry, what names did I call you? I said you acted stroppy and hissy. I didn't call you any names. You've taken offence because you misread a question and decided that me pointing out your error was offensive. That's all on you. Congratulations on being 50 I guess. Because that really has a huge amount of relevance to this whole subject. I'm also a certain amount of years old! Yay!
Regardless of your individual game tastes, PS5 will miss all of the games listed. That's an inescapable fact because they won't be on PS5. Stop acting stroppy because you feel these games won't be missed. They will be by lots of other PS5 owners.
@NemesisSam30
GRAND THEFT AUTO Started out on
MICROSOFT DISK OPERATING SYSTEM
And MICROSOFT WINDOWS PC
Before PlayStation! SOURCE BELOW.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_(video_game)
@AdamNovice You appear to be in the denial phase that the article talks about. Phil was very clear in his latest clarification. Bethesda games will ONLY release on platforms where Gamespass is enabled. So unless Sony allows Gamespass on its systems the going forward you gotta say goodbye to the titles mentioned in this article
@MSXSPS Wikipedia is most definitely not a SOURCE. Anyone can edit Wikipedia.
@NemesisSam30
Here's the GTA fan page same date
https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_(1997_game)
@NemesisSam30
Here is another source showing PC first
http://en.m.wikigta.org/wiki/Release_dates
@NemesisSam30
According to Google GTA the first one released on the 21 of October 1997 for PC the same as the other 3 sources.
@NemesisSam30
I can't find anything saying it released first on PlayStation.
Everything says it released first on PC
I will not miss any of them as I have both consols good to have choices everyone 😁
There goes Indiana Jones. And I'm talking about exclusivity, but under Bethesda, the outlook doesn't sound great. I would have preferred Rockstar.
Dishonored and Prey, but mostly just Arkane, they're one of my favorite developers.
Of course I'll also miss Elder Scrolls, along with a bunch of Betjesda games.
If I ever want to play another Bethesda game, I guess I will have to sign up for Game Pass for PC for a month and play it. I'm fine with that. I would have preferred playing it on PS5 but I don't blame Microsoft. They are just playing the game too. And at least they are not locking it behind an Xbox purchase, because I am not going to spend money on both a PS5, Xbox SX, and PC.
I do hope Elder Scrolls can get back to its former glory, but I do also think it will take a few more flops before Microsoft Studios get to the level of Sony story-telling. Sony do have 100 years of experience in the movie and TV industry. Something to catch up to.
MS can keep'em all. I'm not worried and won't miss or loose sleep over any of this.
@Slippship Wow! I have truly been played! Grow up.
It's difficult to miss the games I like, Fallouts and Elder Scrolls, when they only release them every 10 years! By the time they release a new Elder Scrolls the PS6 and Xbox 360 2X will be out and i'll grab it for the Seres X when it's £100.
Just bought a Series X so... sad news anyway. MS can buy every developer out there so it's not something nice to see.
@SeverinMadara I've got a xbox one x, so xbox not needed pal,the games on game pass are 95 percent garbage,what annoys me is Phil Spencers total hypocrisy, ms will run these studios into the ground or have them making indie style releases ,the next elder scrolls game will more than likely be the last as we know it, before microsoft turns it into a online mp with cartoon graphics ,with a budget of 50p and a half eaten mars bar.
@Slippship everything didn't come out on everything though, c64 and spectrum had there exclusives too,for example forbidden forest and pendragon on c64 only ,also avalon and spellbound on the spectrum ,their where others also quite a few in fact,so exclusives have been around for decades.
@Slippship
@Slippship ... Microsoft owns Obisidian, Grounded is made by Obisidian, it has already been announced that if there is a sequel to The Outer Worlds it will be exclusive to Xbox. Avowed (TES-style open world RPG) was announced in 2020 as an Xbox exclusive ...
Microsoft also owns InXile, which just like Obisdian was founded by a former Interplay employee, the studios were literally founded by the creators of Fallout.
Currently there are only 4 studios known for making WRPGs that do not belong to one of the big 3 (more specifically Microsoft, they are the only ones to have studios creating RPGs, and no, HZD is not an RPG, it’s a long way to become an RPG) these would be:
BioWare - Has no focus on the open world, does not resemble the Bethesda style and Anthem only convinced the studio to stay in its comfort zone.
Larian - They don't resemble Bethesda, they focus on an almost isometric view, they would need a lot of time to adapt to the style created by Bethesda.
Spiders - small French AA studio, their games are more similar to BioWare's (2007-2009), they would need a lot of investment and time.
CD Projekt Red - If / When they recover from Cyberpunk 2077 they can make RPGs better than Bethesda, but they use a more closed world with a more pre-established character, without the aspect sand-box which is one of the most appreciated in Bethesda franchises, anyway it has always been a studio close to Microsoft and right now Sony is burning all possible bridges with them.
And yes you can create / adapt a studio to make open-world RPGs, that's what Microsoft did with Playground Games (bought in 2018, but have always been Microsoft's Second-party), but it took time, the rumors that Microsoft i was funding the creation of a satellite studio for Playground started in 2016/17, Fable’s announcement came in 2020 and the game will still take years to be released.
@vapidwolf if you weren't a fanboy for Sony Playstation and looked at things objectively you would admit this is a big acquisition. Whether you like the games are irrelevant a lot of people do. Trying to underplay this I doubt you have a gaming rig worth much also.
@Slippship I didn't really have to look, RPGs are my favorite genre.
BioWare has always been my favorite developer (until Mass Effect Andromeda). That's why I see a lot of potential in Spiders
InXile, Obisidian and Bethesda have a lot of history, all connected by the bankruptcy of Interplay (and consequently the subsidiary Black Isle Studios).
I don't think BioWare or CDPR can be bought (unlike Spiders or Larian), I just wanted to explain that Bethesda is unique in the market, the only one that comes close is Obisidian, other studies can be created / adapted to the sub-genre created by Bethesda, it would only take a long time.
@Slippship ME: Andromeda was not bad, It is fun, but the main story is very weak, the secondary quest are even worse, even the companions are not what I expected. If you’re comparing it to other BioWare games, they r not so well written, there is little variety, their romance story line is bad.
As I said it is a lot of fun, but it leaves a lot to be desired in the aspects that made BioWare games popular, a good story with good companions.
@SeverinMadara whether I like the games is irrelevant ha ha ha ha dont be a moron of course it isn't irrelevant ,whether I like something regardless of what it is ,is probably the most relevant thing in the universe,and the acquisition is a bad thing in my opinion the games quality will be reduced,and thats my opinion and the only one that matters 😁
@Slippship yeah outer worlds was great a bit short but great,but they have been working on that game for a while ,before ms got their grubby mitts on them,with regards to grounded its like they said have you any crap in the cupboard you can stick on gamepass,no mention of the game from obsidian then blam its on gamepass ,I love skyrim its a great game have it on xbox because of the mods and psvr ,microsoft will not give all these devs equal amounts of funding some will come off better than others, and the games will suffer and they will be forever developing crap for gamepass, but youre correct the ps is so popular another dev will pick up the torch for the games the ps will lose,hopefully Sony develop an elder scrolls type game themselves and I guarantee it'll be of much higher quality than what ms churns out.
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