It’s been a strange year for PlayStation, hasn’t it? Objectively, the organisation is arguably at the peak of its power right now: revenue is ridiculous, it’s raking in more award nominations than the rest of the industry combined, and the PS5 has been such a runaway success that it’s forced retailers to implement lottery systems and other innovative technologies just to deal with the demand. For the most engaged of fans, though – the kind of people who frequent sites like Push Square multiple times a day – it’s honestly been pretty drab for a long time.
In terms of daily traffic, we enjoyed record visits last year, but it certainly wasn’t the news cycle that kept us afloat. Sony, we’ve noticed, has been edging closer and closer to Nintendo-style public relations for a while; it operates secretly, in mysterious ways, and gives us very little to work with. It feels like ancient history now, but many of you will recall that the specifics of the PS5 – its core features and user interface – remained shrouded in secrecy until literal weeks before the console’s release. Tentpole titles, like Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, remain sealed behind closed doors.
To be fair to the organisation, earlier this year it opened up a bit: Jim Ryan scheduled a rare interview with GQ and casually rattled off half-a-dozen or so key announcements – including the existence of a next-gen PSVR headset. The consequence, for the hardcore fans, is that we probably won’t hear a peep from the executive again until late in the summer; a disappointing State of Play took place in February, and the PlayStation Blog has been somewhat subdued ever since. This is just the way things are with Sony in 2021.
It’s hard not to look over the fence and feel a few pangs of jealousy; while PlayStation has a comparatively loaded slate of upcoming software, Microsoft is making big moves that threaten to disrupt the status quo. We’ve seen it complete its acquisition of Bethesda, effectively dwarfing Sony’s first-party operations, while its Game Pass initiative – regardless of financial viability – is making games like Returnal look like daylight robbery in comparison. PS Plus, to Sony’s credit, is outstanding value right now – but as time moves forward, PlayStation is going to need to react.
Frankly, the Bethesda thing has changed the game, and while we don’t expect Sony to roll over and let its tummy be tickled, it’s going to need to invest. The strength of the Japanese giant’s first-party studios is not up for debate, and its pipeline continues to be among the best in the industry, but with Japan Studio shut down, Media Molecule seemingly tethered to the largely unpopular Dreams, and Sony San Diego making MLB The Show 21 for multiple platforms – the formerly unstoppable PlayStation Studios is beginning to look a little light.
It’s really hard to criticise a platform holder that’s been banging out Game of the Year nominees on an annual basis, but with blockbuster games taking more time to develop than ever before, can Insomniac Games, Guerrilla Games, Sony Santa Monica, Sony Bend Studio, Sucker Punch, and Naughty Dog carry the burden of first-party development alone? Ryan’s said that PlayStation is committed to organic growth, and we’ve seen all of its studios staff up significantly over the past few years, but there’s going to be a reckoning in a few years once Microsoft’s teams get up to speed.
Sony will, of course, continue to do what it’s always done, which is to make ground-breaking games. But it does feel like some things are going to have to change: the news cycle, at this point in time, is dominated by a very disruptive competitor, and we can’t help but feel like it needs to make a bit more noise of its own. Moreover, it’s going to have to work harder than ever before to justify the value of its internally developed games, because its competitor is going to be dwarfing its output later in the generation for a nominal monthly fee. That’s a problem.
The consequence of the Bethesda buyout means that PlayStation is probably going to spend more than ever on timed exclusives – we know that it was, at one point, trying to lock down Starfield – but it’s going to need to do more than that alone. It’s probably, at some point, going to need an answer to Game Pass, and while the platform holder’s first-party pipeline remains as impressive as ever, there’s an argument to be made that a once world-beating stable of studios now looks minuscule compared to the competition.
Most importantly of all, the time of Sony sitting on the sidelines is probably coming to an end. It’s going to need the energy of the PS3 era if it’s to overcome the noise being emitted by the Team in Green; these long periods of silence from the platform holder can’t continue for much longer. As PlayStation fans there’s still so much to be excited about, but is the platform holder really making the most of everything it has in its arsenal? Competition breeds excellence, of course – and it’s becoming increasingly clear that PS5 is not going to have an easy ride.
The gauntlet has, in many ways, been thrown; let’s hope that Sony is up to the challenge.
How do you feel about the state of play for PS5 now that 2021 is well underway? Do you feel that Sony’s messaging has been as strong as it could be? Let it all out in the comments section below.
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I agree that they will probably need to react and I'm curious to see what that reaction is. Seems like the PS Plus games lately are part of that (and it's pretty great) but is it enough if they don't want to lose ground?
PS4 had it easy due to MS' incompetence. Add to that it was a very slick piece of kit out of the blocks.
The PS5 is in an interesting state - you can't easily get hold of a console, all the big hitter exclusives are still missing in action - and the fact that the PS5 is in short supply is damaging Sony's ability to build a lead again.
The other possible thorn in Sony's side is the success of the PS4 - it's not going to go away any time soon and with the big titles lined up for the next 2 or 3 years, they have to give a justification to spend £450. Yes it'll look shinier but it's a big cost jump to play a PS4 emulator.
PS Plus and Now need to be combined into one PS Pass - even if sold at a small loss for the first year or two to get them ahead of the team in green. Sony just seem rather bullish and complacent but this time we haven't got a blundering MS.
I look at my backlog, my wishlist and my long ps+ sub, and I don't really have any issues, beyond not having enough time!
Sony are doing fine.
As much as people will grumble about Bethesda going to Microsoft, the points raised in this article are exactly why its good for everybody. Moves like this from competitors prevent Sony from resting on its laurels and forces their hand into new investments, strategies, offers, etc... that simply wouldn't have come along if they are allowed to sit atop the pile unchallenged.
If you own both consoles then theres some great things on the horizon. Even if you dont, competition only leads to better things in the long run from both sides.
@Weebleman While I agree, I hope they're going to engage their fans and involve them in the moves they make.
It's unbelievable to think Ratchet & Clank is coming out and they're so secretive about it. There's no energy coming from the company in terms of the way it communicates with fans, even if it's doing cool things and has cool stuff in the pipeline.
This article is honestly refreshing this is exactly how I feel. Because Sony never receives criticism I feel like they are slower to change or take risk. I can’t help but feel a bit jealous watching all Microsoft’s incredible recent moves.
far too many first party games are action adventure types, I'd love to see a new proper full blown RPG, a shooter and a fighting game
PS Now needs some attention it’s a bit stagnated at the moment. It was advertised start of 2020 as over 800 games. It’s now fallen to just under 700. They seem to have abandoned PS3 support for it. Perfect example Ratchet and Clank is coming out soon yet PS Now doesn’t even have the full future series trilogy available. Which directly lead into this game. Plus at least another 4/5 of the games. I just can’t understand how they don’t have all PS exclusive from at least PS3 gen now on a service called PlayStation “Now”.
PlayStation Plus they are doing well with.
They need to look at studios. Either grow them so can work simultaneously on 2 or more projects or look to bring some who closely work with PS into the family.
Weekly trailers or game news would help. Doesn't have to be a whole lot new, but even a couple of R&C screenshots can make a difference to keep people engaged. Though really, beyond R&C much is unknown, and that's the main issue right now. What's next? Horizon? When?
@get2sammyb I think with Ratchet & Clank, apart from the uber-fast spooling from hard drive features, I can't see how it's going to be a massive jump over the PS4 game. I'm sure that the haptic feedback will be used just like the tilt sensors in the PS3's Tools Of Destruction but will it also be gimmicky?
I was excited by the jump from PS3 to PS4 but as for the PS5 so far - I really can't justify it.
They really don't need to do some mega purchase like MS did, but instead probably just need to invest in a few more smaller studios that make really good solid games e.g. Housemark / Bluepoint / Remedy.
Then what would be really great would be if PS Plus or Now had this stream of smaller games from the 1st party studios that would then be exclusive to that / those services. I'm thinking along the lines of what Disney is doing with still churning out lots of big Avengers and Star Wars movies but then they've got these spinoffs available on their streaming service to get fans of the films hooked into that. Imagine if there were some DLC for the likes of Spider-Man or a smaller spin off to Horizon that was only available on the subscription service, that would give you a great reason to sign up if you enjoyed the main games.
You made a really good point. I thought I was just getting older and that’s why the news seemed less interesting, but i honestly question why I log into PS 4 times a day anymore. Sony just isn’t doing anything exciting and when there is news it’s a quick burst that lasts for a day or two.
Really good read this and I agree with pretty much all of it, the ball is now in Sony's court to see how they deal with things moving forward. As has been said above I really don't see why they can't combine PS+ with PS Now other than the financial implications of course. I have faith in their exclusives but the lack of news feels like they are resting on their laurels!
@get2sammyb ratchet and clank is still three months away. I’m not worried about Sony because even with Bethesda they still have the better studios. Seriously when was the last great game Bethesda made. Yeah I’ll miss Doom and Evil Within was a okay series of games but it’s not like MS all of sudden is better it’s about quality not quantity. MS hasn’t released a generally great game in years and with game pass it’s going to be like Netflix where sometimes there’s a hit show in a sea of mediocre crap. I’ll take Sony’s strategy over that any day.
It feels like PlayStation is my estranged girlfriend who I keep asking to work on communication but gives me the silent treatment and thinks it’s cute
I have no issues with the way things are. PS Plus has been fantastic and I have a backlog of games to get thru. I don’t see the value in gamepass right now as most games on it are old. I would like more transparency and more news from Sony but that’s just me wanting it. They do what they do and it works. Can’t wait for R&C and mostly Kena!!!
Yeah, i just said on another article that Sony is at risk of letting their market dominance slide. They have all but yielded Japan to Nintendo, and its hard not to look at the stable of studios Microsoft have purchased and not have pangs of jealousy. I have always been steadfast that i am a one console individual, but MS are making it more difficult - im not Bethesda's biggest fan, but Elder Scrolls 6 and Starfield are losses. As is whatever comes out of a nber if their studios in the future. And companies like Ninja Theory, Double Fine and Obsidian are a big loss.
Im not worried about Sony just yet. They still have the best first party studios in gaming in my opinion, and so long as that can be supplemented by titles like Yakuza, Final Fantasy and Persona, im happy (although SEGA getting closer to Microsoft worries me). But they absolutely need to reset the narrative, freshen up, expand and do something to reassure us of their long term strategy
Apart from Timed Exclusives, Sony also has an excellent relationship with second party studios that develop some exclusive games for playstation. Studios in the likes of Bluepoint, Supermassive games, Housemarque, Kojima Productions, Ember Lab, among others. I am pretty sure whichever earn Sonys Trust will end up soon as first party studio.
I have my PS5 and got it on launch day. That being said I feel like it's getting harder to justify owning a PlayStation.
I personally don't feel like Jim Ryan is the right guy to be running things over there. I feel like he has made some awful decisions, hear me out.
Moving the PlayStation HQ to California, claiming they are not moving away from their Japanese heritage or Japanese studios only to continue to ignore Japan and shut down Japan Studio.
I personally despise the physical design of the PS5, it's way too big.
But the biggest issues are moving their games to PC, no I don't mean that I'm being selfish but if you must port games why not just utilise PSNow on PC as opposed to a full Steam port? I think many PlayStation fans would prefer this move since it feels like owning the console is pointless if full ports will be a big thing in the future.
And as for the power move by Microsoft in acquiring ZeniMax PlayStation needs to respond in kind I feel with a move of their own because right now it feels like they're sitting on their hands.
Making a bid for Atlus, CapCom, or Konami would be a big move in my eyes to combat what Microsoft have done because make no mistake, this is not the last acquisition they will make and if they get their hands on any of the studio's I've named above I may have to move back to Xbox or PC.
I'm pretty sure they are aware of the situation and counteracting it as they see fit. We have pretty much seen a glimpse of it with the increased quality of the plus offering.
My prediction for their next move:
This is just my perspective of what they can do as a countermeasures. We already seen what they can do especially during the ps3 era so I'm pretty confident they will do the same now.
Three things I would change if I was in charge of PlayStation:
1. Have the big-wigs be much more recognizable and open to the public eye. We don't need to see documentaries on what they eat for breakfast and what limo service they use, but I really miss the days of people like Yoshida, Layden, House, Corsi, and others being seen on a pretty regular basis. Having human faces attached to these things works far better than a logo. I know he’s unpopular, but Jim Ryan should be out there more after being given a lesson in how not to put his foot in his mouth.
2. Bring back iconic franchises using modest budgets. Not everything needs to be these lavishly produced games that cost a fortune to make. Create a new PaRappa as a digital-only game. Bring back Siren as a fixed-camera survival horror game. Do something with Sly Cooper for crying out loud. Get talented second party studios to make games based on what you’ve got already. They have a treasure trove of franchises they’re doing jacks**t with.
3. This is technically two things, but whatever. Stop creating this air of mystique around your brand, and plan your showcases smarter. It was cute once upon a time for them to be quiet leading up to the next giant E3 conference or PlayStation Experience showcase. Back then, it was genuinely exciting because digital presentations hadn’t exploded as they have now. But now? Sony can talk whenever they want and nothing is stopping them. I would hold a big digital showcase every four months or so and focus almost exclusively on PS5 exclusives (actual exclusives, not the timed console labeling), big third-party announcements, and indie games that are extremely distinct. Hell, I would maybe make one of these showcases focus solely on Sony news. With E3 pretty much dead, these showcases need to feel like a big deal. But, in my opinion, they don’t, because their marketing strategy for them is all-over-the-place and lacking in bite. The June PS5 showcase was EXACTLY what I’d like to see from them every time.
Sony sitting on the sidelines? I don't understand why we have to be concerned about Sony's future. We don't worry about Nintendo and it has a very different business model to MS.
Sony is continuing to develop 1st party games that can't be rivalled on other platforms, much like Nintendo. Its spend a great deal of time and money developing its own VR devices making VR gaming cheap and viable to the mass-market. Its committed to designing consoles and controllers that bring new ideas to gamers, not just more of the same but with more grunt.
It would be nice if it expanded on PSNow, brought it to more countries so perhaps it could be merged with PSPlus (which has seen a resurgence to the excellent value for money it was during the PS3/early PS4 years)
MS have gone down a different path making a subscription model the centrepiece of all its thinking. Right now its aggressively building its user-base so it appears great value.
But its only going to benefit gamers longterm if we DON'T see subscriptions as something all platforms should offer as a primary choice, and lock those games to its platform.
Who really wants the fracture of gaming output akin to what we have seen happen to film and TV? Right now I pay for 7 or 8 different subs just to see the same content that used to be available on 1 or 2.
I'd hate to see Sony, Nintendo AND MS go down this route if they are going to do it by spending money on buying long-established, independant studios and denying access for all to those games behind a paywall.
So as far as I'm concerned Sony is doing fine. They are consistently bringing new IP to market, they R&D brand new technologies like VR and importantly support them. I think if they try to emulate what MS are doing just because on the surface it looks like they should then they're going to give MS the upper hand.
Sony should concentrate on what makes them different not on how to be more like MS. Sony don't have quite the billions MS do to buy their way out of their lack of investment on exclusive games.
In PSNow Sony have a ready made alternative anyway. Subjectively its catalogue is certainly not worse than MS' GamePass, I consider it better overall, so if they gave that more attention im sure they could rival GP in anyone's eyes.
It’s strange that the writer of this article believes Sony needs an answer to Gamepass while subsequently pointing out their lack of studios to fully flesh out such an endeavor. This subscription model works for Xbox because they have quantity over quality!
Look at PS+ collection, it demonstrates quality over quantity the exact opposite of Gamepass and doesn’t get respect or coverage it deserves <- not because the games are lacking but because there aren’t enough to choose from
@get2sammyb Playing devils advocate (because i agree with your article) but do we need to know much more about Ratchet? Its 3 months from release so will inevitably get a state of play after returnal releases - and we have seen probably more of that game than many others releasing this year already. I dunno. I feel like we know what we are getting from a R & C game at this point
As someone who can currently only afford only one gaming platform, including PC, i don't see myself investing in a PS5 for at least 3 years, unless something really big happens. The games that are about to come out, don't really justify the price for me, especially if they are going to be available on PC and perform much much better. Seems idiotic to invest 500+ euros on beta testing games.
@get2sammyb they definitely need to do more to keep the momentum going. In the build up to the console release the scrabble for information reached fever pitch and, in turn, benefitted them as it basically advertised itself due to that. Dripping a picture of the controller literally made sites go wild with articles and comments.
Its starting to feel like Sony assumes that will carry forward to everything but, for me at least, its starting to turn into frustration at the lack of, well, anything. Like you say, there's a major title due out very soon and yet theres nothing but silence. Its (arguably) the first major next gen only release since demon souls. You kinda think theyd make a bigger deal of it really.
Suppose all we can do is wait and see. Which, in turn, takes me back to that word again. Frustration.
I will never stop being befuddled by allegedly PlayStation oriented journos. They never fail to talk about the greatness of Game Pass (which it is, it's awesome, I am benefiting immensely) and in the same breath go to PS Plus as a comparison.
Same here, same on IGN.
Dudes, it's xbox live gold vs ps plus
And
Xbox game pass vs PS Now.
Sony doesn't need to fret - PS Now is insanely good. The only thing game pass has as an advantage is first party games day one (edit: ok, yes, it also includes xbox live gold). Otherwise PS Now is great (benefiting from that as well).
So yeah, Sony needs to include plus and first party games into Now to compete and they will never do that.
MS can afford to bleed money away. Sony can't.
Sony are in a really really good place right now, they’re reaping the benefits of a poor last gen showing from MS and their strong investment into exclusives.
I do think the landscape is changing though and not just with competition from Microsoft. You have companies like Tencent and Amazon investing in gaming heavily and while anything coming into fruition from them may be a few years off, I feel Microsoft has anticipated where the market could be and set themselves up very well with Gamepass for the future, where as Sony have not.
We’ll see how things play out, interesting times ahead.
Sony are like Nintendo and rely too much on existing franchises, I'm bored of gran turismo, Uncharted, god of war, ratchet and clank, little big planet, the last of us and souls spin offs.
Sony need to buy a couple more studios and create some new ips, maybe create a games that similar to elder scrolls or similar to fallout etc and actually make a couple good and fun multiplayer games. But mainly come up with some new ideas and some new games instead of 3rd person action games such as a open world Rpg or a multiplayer sandbox game. Last gen my favourite games were brand new ips such as astro bot, days gone, horizon zero dawn, ghost of tushima and death stranding (all new ips)
Sony can live without Bethesda quite easily without buying a big third party company, just create more games and more variety.
Finally sony need to sort out playstation now and merge it with plus and instead of giving people free games every month maybe they can add better and newer games to playstation now.
But ultimately sony shouldn't be worried at all, xbox screwed up last gen and that's still taking effect to this day, any casual who doesn't care about Bethesda will buy a ps5 due to reputation and brand name and quality, most parents will buy their kid a ps5 as they most likely had a ps4 last gen and obviously kids don't care about the kind of games Bethesda make.
In the last 18 months Sony have Aquired Insomniac Games and opened a studio in Malaysia.
Oh and released a new console.
There is bound to be a lul, games do take longer to develop and with studios switching to PS5 they cannot just throw out new games, obvioiusly they could have had some in development.
However at the start of PS4 we had a whole raft of remasters that made it appear as though the market was loaded.
This gen we simply don't need them as games are backward compatable so the market looks more barren.
Personally i think they are doing fine as long as they can maintain the good PS Plus offerings.
Good read though.
I remember when the playstation launched..it had few quality games..really all it had was wipeout,ridge racer and destruction derby...it took a long time before big,quality games released and its going to be the same for the ps5 i'm afraid but at least you can use all your ps4 games while we wait..not having bethesdas games is not a game changer and i'm happy that we wont have to buy half finished buggy games..well we still have a few studios to provide us with buggy half finished games so....no big loss! Sony need to address the pricing of games as the majority of their user base are probably in a bit of a pickle financially due to the pandemic etc...strange times indeed but the great games will be with us before we know it...ps just bought immortals fenix rising for £30 on amazon..
I don’t have a lot to say but this much is for sure... Microsoft have not spent the gargantuan amount of money the last two years to be the “other” console. There’s more coming and this mirrors their PC dominance in the 90’s with the if you can’t beat ‘em buy em’ mentality.
I truly don’t think Sony need to worry right now but they need to be prepared to react. We all chuckle about how Xbox basically has nothing for the series X right now but when they do the dam is going to break and it won’t stop flooding again. They are transparent, engaged and desperately want the market segment Sony has carved out in the last 5-7 years. Game Pass is already great and if they see that as a weakness for Sony when these first party games come out, they will make sure it metastasizes quickly.
I’m not worried yet but they definitely need to diversify and buy some more first parties they believe in and find something they think can stand up to game pass. If they can do that and have these studios working on something big now they will be ready to react in 3-4 years when Microsoft starts shooting.
I think Sony should buy Square Enix and BluePoint games
sony must fix 3rd party development laziness..i understand that every game that someone brings to your platform is important but will still see games with no HDR support in 2021 in PS5...mediocre dualsense support and nothing better than your competitors about loading times..don't get me started about 120hz support and 3d audio..even VRR is still missing.
Sony are Sony and things sometimes are similar in their TV market.
I am looking for new OLED Tv 2021 model.
The Sony top end A90J looks so far great, however.
Again only 2 HDMI 2:1 sockets and if you run a sound bar then EARC takes one of those up.
That leaves you just 1 HDMI 2:1 socket for both PS5 and Series X or what ever.
Sony TV competition from South Korea.
LG AND SAMSUNG top end TV 2021 4 HDMI 2:1 sockets.
Sony you really are ignorant sometimes.
So no Sony OLED for me, loss of sale for Sony.
Love or hate them that’s Sony TV division for you.
Probably why they are about 3rd in the TV sales market now. How that mighty Sony TV brand have fallen.
'The gauntlet has, in many ways, been thrown; let’s hope that Sony is up to the challenge.'
What challenge? I want them to focus on their customers, the PS gamers instead of trying to chase other markets. Let Ms do their thing and yes do the exclusive thingy brag on new gen console but for real.
@RogerRoger I enjoy reading Sammy's articles, but I had the same thought when reading this.
As a gamer I have nothing to complain about when it comes to being a PlayStation fan.
I just got a new console a few months ago, this is my wishlist (https://www.backloggery.com/games.php?user=shepherdirl&wish=1), and we've just had some murmurs about PSVR2.
As a PlayStation fan I'm pretty happy.
But if I had to write about this stuff every day I can imagine I'd be frustrated, and that's understandable too.
Saying all of that, I'm eager to see some kind of response from Sony. Moves with Kadokawa, or making Housemarque or Bluepoint part of the family would be awesome.
But if they were to make these moves simply because we want them to, or to give writers something to write about, that feels like the start of a bad road.
They're not sitting idle. They'll be watching everything and planning accordingly.
And regardless, it's all good for us. Competition among exclusive titles felt like it was going away. Now that competition is back with a bang.
They released the PS5 too early. They saw Microsoft releasing basically an even more powerful Xbox One and released their true next gen machine with functions missing and limited exclusive software amongst other things just to not lose out on possible sales to Microsoft.
Sony are doing just fine, come on besides game pass what are MS offering. And with this Pandemic going on, how the hell do you expect company's like Sony to be up to full strength. I have plenty of games to play, not enough time so I'm happy regardless with whats going on in the Sony camp
I have had all the Sony consoles.
But PS5 not for me currently series x.
Reasons.
2 friends and 1 son controllers returned for fixing drift.
Console big and not nice.
UI PS4 great PS5 back to basics and wait for updates.
Opening console for expanding ssd memory
Stand and bolt
Can’t load PS5 games on external sad for storage.
More noisy when laid horizontally 1 friend and son have this issue.
Bad quality of life design overall due to the above.
Definitely rushed console to me.
@Dr_ENT That's fair, it's important they continue to nurture and develop those relationships.
Tune in next week when we all love Sony again.
@ApostateMage
Facts. Lol
Sony is really boring now, all they do is being silent, silent, and more silent. It's like they're in the xbox 360 posisitions before kinect, being the default console for the gen so they didn't try as hard, $70 games, porting exclusive to pc, and didn't try expanding psnow as gamepass competitor.
While microsoft is like sony in the ps3 era, they know this generations is lost but they're preparing for the next 5 years by buying and expanding their 1st party titles.
Back in the ps4 era, I really think sony ps5 era will be like ps4 but better. Better and more exclusive, better psn with refund, better psnow that expanded worldwide 😕
@Dezzy70 in terms of TVs, I hear you. I've bought decent Sony televisions for decades, but as things stand I may have to go LG OLED next time.
Re sound bars, some of them have multiple HDMI inputs of their own so you could do it the other way round and run everything into it and then a single HDMI out to the TV . I do that with my Yamaha YSP 2700, which is an amazing bit of kit. Passes through 4K and HDR too, although admittedly not 2.1 signals.
Sony have dropped the ball on their TVs though right now. Real shame.
My two cents
-find away to make backwards compatibility stronger with (all legacy titles) not just Ps4 games.
there's so many games to play. i think it's okay if they're currently silent. esp with Covid still going on, i think it's a good idea to just take their time and continue to work on what they're working on in secret. we don't need Sony to overpromise and then underdeliver, or show something too early and then delay delay delay because that just makes the optics/perceptions worse.
i don't think Sony needs to be reactionary towards what MS is doing. playstation fans need to stop looking over to the other side, the grass isn't always "greener" (no pun intended...pun intended). why do people always have to compare...there's plenty of good things going on on the Playstation side of things.
Personally, I would like a bit more transparency and communication from Sony but I don't think they need to 'react' to MS's business model.
What you are missing is that at this point in time, Sony's Customers are predominantly just the Console users and whilst they are looking at releasing 'some' games on PC as extra revenue, so far, the games releasing on PC have been out for a while on PlayStation. MS's customers though are more than just the Console, its the PC and Mobile gamers too - anywhere where Game Pass can be accessed - which could soon also be just your TV.
As mentioned in the Article, Sony's Studio's have not only produced more games over the last gen, they have also been Critically Acclaimed games. Sony has a proven history and MS at the moment is 'potential'. Quantity of Studio's is 'irrelevant' too if some of those Studio's make games you are not interested in regardless of how good/bad those games are.
Look at all the Studio's MS acquired in the past couple of years - some with only a couple of 'indie' games in their portfolio and a couple with no history at all. One of the Zenimax Studio's only work on Mobile games which would not be of much interest to Sony. Most of these studio's, perhaps with the exception of ID Software and Ninja Theory have something to prove. All the other studio's have had a 'difficult' time with their last games. No doubt with the combined talent and financial power of MS and ALL the devs, the games will at least challenge Sony for GotY Awards but right now, its all 'potential'.
Whilst I don't need a Series X to play any of the MS studios games, I need a PS5 to play Sony's Exclusives - even if a few get released on PC after a few years or so. If you don't want a Xbox, you can still play all these games on a PC and/or Mobile.
I do think Sony though need to rethink their game pricing because I will NOT pay £70 for a Game. Its pushing me to either wait for the price to drop or buy used. With Game Pass, GwG and PS+ games, there is always something to play so I don't have to buy on day 1!!
@Dezzy70 I don’t disagree with any of your points about the PS5. The series X feels like a finished product compared to PS5 and it’s much better designed too I don’t care what anyone says.
Right now Xbox seems to have the momentum but we are many years away from seeing the likes of Starfield and TES 6. Games like Horizon Forbidden West and God of War Ragnorak will be released long before anything from MS/Bethesda.
It's not looking great long term though so Sony need to stop the complacency and makes some moves to add to their existing portfolio of studios.
Maybe they're happy to 'lose' though, maybe they want to simply develop software only. Maybe this is the last console Sony ever make.
@ShiningStar
Thank you for agreeing so many Sony fan people on hear never agree with anything even if it sounds sensible and is fact.
@Fenbops
Thank you for agreeing so many Sony fan people on hear never agree with anything even if it sounds sensible and is fact.
@Bad-MuthaAdebisi I wouldn't, can't stand shooters or fighting games.
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I feel like ps5 so far is underwhelming. Not like a hardware, but more like Sony doesn't utilize it. Look at Xbox and what they did and announced since release and you can see why I have my concerns raised.
I hope time proves me wrong but I think PlayStation will do nothing, Jim Ryan is a laid down guy who only thinks in his pocket and not in the brand's future. They closed Japan Studios because their games don't sell instead of taking more risk and giving the studio more money to make an AAA game that can compare to God of War, Uncharted or Horizon, and surely they won't invest billions in acquiring a big Bethesda-like publisher if they can't see a quick return in money. He only invest in things that can sell 10M+, all the ambition is gone, I hope Sony can see this and then proceeds to get rid of this guy, they need the vision of Kaz Hirai or Shawn Layden to come back.
@Octane "What's next?"
Portstation 5? GoT in native 4k. TLoU2 in native 4k. HFD in native 4k before the sequel releases. Knack two pack bundle in native 4k.
It's bothering me that Squenix is spending so much time promoting the FF7R port, the game just came out a year ago, when really they should be talking about part 2. And FF16. But no, Yuffie DLC. That's like half the news cycle now - Immortals Fenyx Rising DLC, games as service, ports. Who needs new games? 😝
I think they will ramp things up as we get closer to Returnal. Returnal and Ratchet and Clank will get their own State of Plays. I hope and I assume that they will announce the acquiring of Bluepoint, Housemarque and maybe after Kena sells well, Ember Lab.
Their aren't really any major releases until April/May so the news cycle is just slow. The Ratchet and Clank State of Play will be great. Then don't be surprised if Naughty Dog surprises us with Factions eventually.
I'd say all 3 are pretty light on content.
The Bethesda news is yet another case of the more immediate future of Xbox being nothing but games that have been on XB1 for awhile being added to Game Pass meanwhile it'll be a long wait before actual upcoming releases happen.
This article sums up the Playstation situation well.
Meanwhile while Switch has a decent upcoming lineup, Nintendo's news cycle nowadays is pretty much endless "Switch Pro" rumours.
@get2sammyb Not gonna lie, these comments are making me rethink purchasing a PS5. Not your article, that's just the downtime between the NFL and MLB seasons talking, or for games the downtime between the end of last gen and the beginning of this gen, which starts w/ R&C, HFW and GoW2.
Another problem being there are no gens anymore, just revisions, the PS5 looks like a PS4 Super Pro to me, and probably will until 2022 when PS4 stops getting big games. Do we even know FOR SURE GoW is next gen only yet? And we're celebrating the 1 year anniversary of COVID-19 here in the US, so that's taken it's toll.
Sony does need to do something though. Nintendo IS the handheld market, and MS has a 1-2 punch w/ Xbox and PC. Maybe Keighly's SummerFest they'll unleash some stuff? IDK.
My opinion at this point is plain and simple. They need to bring out this march update quick and release VRR, ALLM and expanded storage. It's a bit beyond me why those aren't there out of the box u like the Xbox. It's confusing. Just because Sony TV's aren't ready yet heavily puts down other gamers when some TV's and the Xbox is ready out of the box. It's a step backwards considering were on next generation now but some features that have been out a few years for pc are being withheld from us. I have a hdmi 2.1 TV, 120hz blah.blah blah. But the PlayStation restricts that potential. Whereas if I had an Xbox with my Samsung TV I wouldn't be held back. That needs to hurry up in my opinion big time
A seriously great article voicing the thoughts of a lot of PS gamers I'm sure, including myself.
Bethesda was a solid move by Microsoft, no doubt, bolstering Game Pass, but I'm not concerned about Sony's eventual response. I'm sure the company will respond and I think Jim Ryan alluded to a Sony response to Game Pass that is in the works recently.
Moreover, let's not forget in the run-up to the next gen launch, Xbox was making all the running until they stumbled with their game reveals...Sony countered late with that staggering Epic tech demo and surefooted reveals after that. So Sony will respond.
I do agree though, that PlayStation has become less open about its communication over the last couple of years. I thought that was due to being head down in PS5 plotting mode, but if that continues now PS5 has launched, well I'm not a fan of that approach either and would like them to be more energetic as you say.
Ms is no threat at all.
They aren't playing the same game.
I am not worried in the slightest
@Dezzy70 the Series X looks dull, the Series S is kind of cute.
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@Grumblevolcano "Switch has a decent upcoming lineup, Nintendo's news cycle nowadays is pretty much endless "Switch Pro" rumours."
One of these days those Switch rumours are going to turn out to be right. Or not and we just get a Switch 2. 🤷♂️
The upcoming games lineup is weird. I know it's decent - MHR & MHS2, Pokemon Snap!, BD2 just released, Mario Golf - but after waiting on Bayonetta 3 and BotW2 and maybe even Super Mario Odyssey 2 or MK9, well, not that excited. I'm not even up for Splatoon 3. How are they releasing 3 Splatoons since 2015 but no new Mario Kart since 2014?
So yeah, Sony looking a little more ok to me I guess, comparatively speaking.
It took almost 30 years, but we finally have the Nintendo Playstation. A combined console where the companies seem to be working in unison to deliver no information whatsoever via the most inexplicable marketing approach imaginable, yet somehow printing money.
But THIS is the moment I've been waiting for since September. That last paragraph. Sony's been so complacent, for so long they become entirely uninteresting and predictable. All of these companies are at their best when they're on their back heel, not when they're winning. PS3 was dead boring for the first half a gen, and then as they started failing it got really really interesting. 360 was interesting for half a gen, then as they won got more and more boring. Nintendo failing gave us some of their best content in ages on the WiiU and 3DS. PS4 started super interesting, and then gradually became more and more boring into the PS5 launch. X1 failing gave us Game Pass and the Bethesda megabuyout as they build a studio that makes SIE look like a bit player. Now it's time for Sony to go onto their back heels again and ramp up what PS offers.
I said back at PS5 launch that I wanted it to fail and wanted MS to kick them to the curb, to make PS better. And similarly I want MS to keep failing because they're at their best when they're behind.
@rjejr They released 1 splatoon, and then the splatoon 1.5 remaster, then they patched it for 3 years to finally be a new game at which point they'll release the next 2.5 remaster and declare it a new game.
I have to say, the shuttering of Japan Studio coupled with the gradual loss of the brand identity as Sony chases short-term profits by putting exclusives on PC (which will be day-and-date eventually, mark my words) has left my faith in PlayStation's future at an all-time low. Jim Ryan is running the brand into the ground as far as I'm concerned.
@art_of_the_kill I really really wish I could upvote that at least 100 times more. I don't care so much about the PC inclusion, I don't think that's a major issue, but Japan Studio, brand identity loss as they make PS "the other Xbox", the short term profit and trend chasing, and basically operating PS like a Hollywood film studio (or at best, EA/Activision) under Jim Ryan has destroyed so much of the reasons to buy PS. Most of the heralded great exclusives are games started before Ryan's time, so we still have yet to see what his vision of Sony games really looks like. People will defend the brand because they like some of their current franchises, but seeing the bigger picture of what Ryan has done to the brand and its future in just a few years, coupled with MS having a lot more resources to dig out of a similar mess caused by Matrick (though that was more extensive as he closed almost all their studios) and it's worrying. I'm hoping this is a wake up call that makes them maybe reconsider not how much Ryan's leadership is making them today, but where his leadership takes them in 10 years.
I completely agree with this article. This is a big concern of mine, with this being my preferred platform of choice. Most comments I see are so short sighted and only see what is happening now. In three to four Sony is in real trouble. Because they've made it clear that they do not have the capital to compete with MS with there comment about being committed to organic growth. Sonys answer to this is probably what yall said "timed exclusives". One of the dumbest things in this industry nowadays. Who cares if we get the game 6 to 12 months earlier. Just like with MS and Tomb Raider, I had no problem waiting a year to play that. Same with Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo. Im sure MSs fans heads aren't going to explode when they will get the games in a year. But the scariest part of all this is MS isnt done buying. They literally just missed out on Borderlands publisher Gearbox. So this gapping wound that MS just cut into Sony is going to continue to get bigger.
I’ve gotten to a point in my life where money is not too big of a deal so I’ll probably buy Returnal day one for 70 just because I’m slightly bored even though I don’t like the price. I truly believe the game in the beginning is going to bomb. Critically acclaimed but customer ignored.
I already have a PS5 and am looking forward to all of Sony’s offerings but the one game, the one game, that I am most excited for now is that new 80s TMNT game. I can’t wait for that game.
I don’t get this narrative. Sure, PlayStation might (yes might) have lost some games with the Bethesda buyout, but they still have more than I can ever play. And with VR they have something truly disruptive (not just cheap) ; something incredible!
And Gamepass is good value sure, but PS Now is even better value (more games to download for less money, just a fact) the only people who can disagree with that are people who still buy games day 1.
Sony’s marketing is bad true. But I prefer that to bombastic and often misleading crap from the Xbox “side”.
The only thing Xbox has over PlayStation for me is the ability to stream to phone. Would love to have that option for when I’m out the house.
Oh, and I’d love Sony stop censoring and banning games due to their prudishness and concern about social media bad PR. But that won’t happen in this climate and it looks like MS is going the same way.
@NEStalgia That's still 1 more remaster than MK8 is currently getting. It's been 7 years. Longest streak before now was 5, 96-01. Good thing they combined their software and hardware divisions so they only have to make 1 of each game. 😝
At least Sony's excuse is PHOTOREALISTIC GRAPHICS so it actually takes 7 years to make each game. If Nintendo made a 4k console it would take them 18 years to make 1 game. 36 years if it's Pikmin 4. 🤣
There are points here I agree with & others not so much. For all the hype about gamepass,my concerns are its a glorified rental service designed to kill owning games digital or physical- if a game is good enough on its on merits then those devs/publisher should be supported buying it. Gamepass in reality wants to promote live service games.
That said & done,Sony were rather blindsided by the Zenimax purchase & really haven't made many counter moves. Whilst it could be said they've made deals for the likes of Final Fantasy, compared to XB,the lack of any in-house RPG devs is a concern. Where's the next bloodborne going to come from?🤔 After the issues with Cyberpunk,a collaboration with CDPR seems unlikely.
I think part of the frustration has come from some of their broken/unspoken promises. The PS Blog finally unified the English blog,but then rapidly dropped the weekly new releases...only after claiming they'd listened to feedback about missing blog features.
New PSN sales rarely get a mention,& a fair bit of the time seems to recycle the same titles whilst other smaller devs struggle to get on the invite list to participate.
Then there’s the PSN web Store which went from a cluttered experience & needing an update, changing to a new design with less features or filters,as well as lacking much wanted features like a wishlist integrated with both ps4/ps5, & gifting & a steam style automated refund policy.
There are some good people still there like Shute Yoshida,Mark Cerny etc .,but there’s others who are active on twitter etc ,but are rather tone deaf to interacting with playstation owners,(eg: certain psn store managers).
Jim Ryan might talk to the likes of Wired,GQ etc.,, but how many PS users read them? I'm no fan of "Gamer" Phil Spencer,but Jim Ryan's management style doesn't help the perception of aloofness when you don't engage with your audience & come off as sounding tone deaf.
Sony should open up a WRPG studio or acquire one and that's most of the Bethesda threat nullified imo bar ID.
Obviously requires a talented team and quality output which is much easier said than done.
Microsoft's current position is not imo anyway sustainable long term. Atleast at their price point. Those prices for gamepass are going to have to start rising sooner rather than later or the output is going to have to be more frugal with emphasis on microtransactions and paid dlc.
The only problem is that Microsoft can afford to sell at a loss for a long time just as they've always done to snuff out competition.
It seems like they are willing to do the whole Uber and modern tech startups and haemorrhage money till it works.
The cycle is pretty obvious - we hear very little from Sony and we start to worry they're falling behind or becoming complacent, especially when every day seems to bring with it a new episode of "Phil Spencer says...". Then they do communicate, and we see that they know exactly what they're doing and our faith is restored.
Would I like them to engage more? Yes, but only if they're saying something of substance.
Competition is always good for the market. Sony really built a lead last gen, with Microsoft releasing a stinker of a console out of the box. Microsoft has been playing catch up every since. They looked at what happened and decided they needed 2 things. 1. Power. 2. Exclusives. They spent the rest of the generation getting prepared for this console cycle. Now they have the most powerful console on the market, and have a huge stable of first party developers. They have set themselves up to win a console generation. The only potential problem is that they set themselves up to win the last console generation.
Sony has been a bit more innovative. Sure, they made a more powerful console. It's nipping at the Xbox Series X's heels in performance numbers. But they added a much faster SSD. They also added an innovative controller. And they added a phenomenal 3D audio system. So Sony has not rested on its laurels. It is just taking a different approach to staying on top. Innovation as opposed to pure brute force. That's the approach that Nintendo has been taking for a while. As Nintendo has proven, some times it pays off, some times it doesn't.
However, unlike Nintendo, Sony is not putting all its eggs in the innovation basket. The PS5 is still a beast of a machine. It feels to me like Sony is one step ahead of MS in their approach, but like I said earlier, it's a gamble. Sony needs to make sure their innovations are supported by 3rd party developers to ensure they stay ahead this generation. Microsoft has put itself to win if this generation comes down to just exclusives and performance.
@RogerRoger I agree. I'm thinking about how Bethesda announced Fallout 4 six months out from launch, and honestly I prefer it that way.
We have a good idea of how the product will look at that point too.
@rjejr It's Mario Kart. What has it really done different since the N64? Sure they add stuff and it's prettier, but there's really only so many gimmicks you can add to a kart racer. Don't worry, I'm sure the next one will be Mario Kart World Tour, and it'll be an open world racer like Forza Horizon with a Breath of the Wild visual and gameplay design. Only on Switch Pro. #droppingtomorrow
Sony should buy CD Project Red. lol
Why do Bluepoint and Housemarque always pop up as must get studios for Sony? Neither of them make anything worth owning a system for.
Bluepoint are a stellar port studio but have never made anything original besides the abysmal Blast Factor and Housemarque make niche at best shmups. Hardly must get devs.
I had another thought.
The way Sony is handling this sucks but it’s their new normal. We were pissed forever with the buildup for the PS5. I’m still not happy about it but it is what it is.
@Robocod Look at these business decisions, Microsoft buys Zenimax, Sony buys an anime streaming service that averages ONLY around 1 million users.
I guess - I mean you could argue that PS5 is doing strongly out of the gate BECAUSE they have been more mysterious, given that Xbox were far more forthcoming.
There is a content issue coming for Sony. So many companies are buying out smaller devs, not just MS but Epic, THQ etc. There is only a certain sized pool of established developers out there. It means that competition for dev studios is going to hot up. Sony are smart in expanding their existing studios to increase output. We can see that with Guerilla and Insomniac. Still, MS have the money to pump into their Gamepass service.
It's an interesting generation and I look forward to what happens.
It's hard to get excited for the games that are coming out, when you don't see the £70 price as value for money. Sony's greed is spoiling what should be an exciting time for ALL playstation owners, which is why we're all looking over the fence, looking for a cheap sub service, while we wait for ps game prices to go down to more acceptable level.
All to make Jims time in the chair look mega profitable. Lets see how it works out..
@deathaxe - You mean Phil Harrison the Ex Sony President who pretty much made Sony a major player in gaming worldwide?
He may well be the face of Stadia now but that guy had an awful lot to do with Sony becoming the gaming force they are today.
@solocapers What WRPG studios are left to buy? MS owns Obsidian, Bethesda, inExile. EA owns Bioware. Square-Enix owns Eidos. Depending on your interpretation of WRPG, Ubisoft is the other as a conglomerate. The only remaining independent prominent WRPG studio is CDPR and...well....yeah...that's not happening. They'd have to start a new one from ashes, but we'd be talking about a new release on the PS6 at the soonest. They had a JRPG studio, but they just closed it, so all they can really do is moneyhat S-E and Sega for timed exclusives that eventually go to Game Pass anyway....
@Robocod ". For all the hype about gamepass,my concerns are its a glorified rental service designed to kill owning games "
A glorified rental service is exactly what it is, but, just like real rental services of the 80's & 90's it's not designed to kill owning games, but rather to encourage buying them. But it's a bit more than that. It's a rental service for third party games which are there for a limited time (like PS Now), but it's a "netflix" type subscription service for first party games. For third party games it's absolutely a 21st century, cheaper replacement for going to Blockbuster like we did in the 90's (and didn't kill our interest in owning the games.) For first party, unlimited continuous access instead of buying is part of the value proposition, sure (though, even Blockbuster let you keep rentals "indefinitely" after a while, and so has GameFly (they still exist!))
But MS has reiterated many times is that Game Pass subscribers actually purchase more games than non-subscribers, not the other way around, and one of the subscription perks is permanent discounts on included games and DLC. So it's definitely aimed at encouraging hard sales, albeit, digital over physical. And they've also said that they're trying to get more single player experiences into the service and that the focus on GaaS was more coincidental than anything, that's just what the developers they had wanted to work on, they don't really try to steer what the developers work on (sometimes to bad results like 343 dropping the ball on Halo Infinite.) Spencer actually said last month that a GaaS/multiplayer focus is bad for the service, because they don't want a service where people just play one or two things continuously without engaging in varied content (because of course they want you to buy a variety of content as a result of trying it.)
That part of the fear is overblown. BUT, There's room for publishers to exploit the service, use it as a F2P service and plan to profit on the DLC primarily. That's the primary real risk, and is up to MS to curate the platform to prevent that.
I'd get a PS5 probably, if I could find one. I'd never buy another Xbox after their attempt to add a fee to used games, all those years back (still have a 360). They may have u-turned under pressure, but to me it showed the brand's 'vision' if they feel they dont have competition.
@sanderson72 had it easy yet went out of its way to support gaming that should tell you all you need to know on that.
@NEStalgia "It's Mario Kart. What has it really done different since the N64?"
They've added - sails to glide, magnets for upside down, new tracks, new drivers, online. Still don't think they've gotten as good as Sonic Transformed, and they certainly haven't had the track builder of Mod Nation Racers, since they have yet to add a track builder. Though I don't think Gran Turismo or Forza have added one either. But GT and F still come out fairly regularly. More regularly then once every 7 years anyway.
Don't think we'll ever get open road for a kart game, but I do think they could add a few more split tracks were you decide which route to take, feels like they almost never do that, minus a few hidden short sections. Labo VR support would be nice.
It's sold 30 mil on Switch. MK9, which should look marginally better built for Switch, would do the same. Plus, then they could sell the 4k deluxe version of that on Switch 2, easy money.
If they can come up w/ enough stuff for 2 new Splatoon games in 7 years they should be able to come up w/ enough stuff for 1 new MK game in 8 years as well. 🤷♂️
@David187 To be honest, Sony could've turned up with a toaster and it'd looked a better gaming proposition than the DRM mess that MS were peddling.
But yes, Sony went out of their way to promote the PS4 as a games machine and it resonated with PS3 owners and quite a lot of X360 players too and the big hitting titles just kept coming!
I think Sony would be wise to invest in some first party production (either through existing studios or acquisition) of new western RPG and FPS titles - because the bulk of the talent Microsoft has bought into with the Bethesda acquisition lies in those areas, which are also ones Sony haven't really mastered.
As far as exclusives vs. exclusives goes, it's a $7bn gamble from Microsoft to assume Bethesda can produce a first party lineup over the coming years that can go toe to toe with Sony's unreal quality in the shape of God of War, Bloodborne, TLOU I &II, Horizon etc. Aside from the decade old Skyrim and Doom 2016 I'd argue that none of their recent output has come close (Arkane do show real promise).
It's more about those genre gaps, for me.
@ApostateMage it’s all subjective one person may love Sony for yanking Cyberjunk off psn store while others may hate them for it the scales will balance out themselves
@Col_McCafferty it's about variety, I don't really play racing or sports games and generally avoid puzzle and platformers, I wouldn't ever ask those genres to be completely ignored
@deathaxe you say that like there’s no value in older games when there is. I had a go of Oblivion on Gamepass today and it still looks and plays pretty nice, especially with Xbox’s excellent auto HDR.
They may be 5 years or older but there’s some quality games added and people will play them.
I think the worst thing Sony could do is go out and start panic buying studios, making them look desperate. Yes I wish they were more open about the state of the PS5 and the games going forward. But as things stand right now, they have a great machine that they can't make fast enough to supply demand, some standout games coming in the next 12 months and a loyal following created by making some of the best games of the last 10 years. Yes buying Bethesda is a big move by MS, but they have still to show they can make GOTY games, quality games that push gaming forward. Their problem is they need to keep putting a constant flow of new games on gamepass to keep it relevant, will it become quantity over quality? Will they give the developers at these studios the time they need. Only time will tell. I think it will be good for Sony in the long run, they need a strong competitor to keep them honest.
Oh and for me personally, I love my PS5. Playing games with the dualsense makes playing games on my xbox seem flat. The dualsense is definitely not a gimmick. And with PSplus lately, I think Sony are doing just fine.
@Ristar24 I don't think any of us would like any of these 3 company's "vision" when they don't have competition. We saw Sony's the gen before that "Screw developer wants and do what we say, $699, get a second job, lol." And Nintendo takes the cake using US Congress in the 90's as a tool to attack public perception of Sega, and generally blackmailing publishers, let alone their endless consumer gouging. They all suck when they feel all powerful.
But in reality that was the vision of different managers who were sent packing because their vision didn't align with their market and met with disaster as a result. Same corporations, but different humans with different directions are running all 3 today.
Hopefully Jim Ryan will join that short list of terrible execs sent packing for not being aligned with their market.
@rjejr Nah, all new Nintendo games must be open world with a Breath aesthetic. Breath of the Pokemon, Breath of the Mario, Breath of the Yoshi, Breath of the Metroid, Breath of Emblem.
Meanwhile all Sony games must use Naughty Dog Camera(TM.)
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@NEStalgia See what you're saying, but Im mostly a retro gamer anyway at this point to be honest. I'll pick up a PS5 at some point when they are available, just as my PS4 has recently given up, and can carry through my PS4 digital games. I would say I found what Microsoft tried to do at time though, uniquely outrageous. No incentive for me to get an Xbox, if I was going to get into more cutting edge gaming, I'd get a PC. In the meantime I'll be playing my PS3, Xbox 360, C64 and an Evercade!
@Ristar24 Well, Matrick was a special kind of failure. He not only sabotaged public opinion and perception of his company to the point of what, for a normal company, would have been the point of no return (both leading up to X1 launch with his inflamatory tweets and interviews, to the disaster TV TV SPORTS, DRM reveal, to the post-show with "we have a console for people who don't like that, it's called 360." Few corporate execs have shown so much outright disdain for their own customers as he did in the history of business. He flipped off their own advisers, the press, and the public by running with the whole DRM thing to begin with. And to make it all worse he actively sabotaged his own company by closing down most of their game studios over a few years to chase his timed exclusive strategy and try to take on the Wii. It was bizarre. How many leaders get to actively sabotage their company's ability to even compete in its market and still keep going?
At least when they threw him out, it was spectacular, and him going to Zynga added the much needed extra twist of the knife.
My opinion of them was about where yours is, or worse, for years. But I think despite faceless corporations being faceless, there's actually a much more human aspect to them than we think about. It's the people at the top that really make a company "who" it is. Matrick was the primary poison at Xbox. Balmer was the hand that fed him. A lot of things about MS changed in general when Nadella replaced Balmer. And Xbox changed quite a bit under Spencer. It's not that I think they're all benevolent....I think Spencer largely is interested in a symbiotic consumer-provider relationship. I think there are others at MS that are not so adaptive as the attempt to double the Gold price in January indicates. But Sony's not all smiles and rainbows (or beams of light) either. Ryan's rise isn't quite as catastrophic as Matricks, but what he did inside PS isn't that much less questionable. Most of the people that were responsible for building PS as we know it, and most of the current games have been forced out or sidelined into irrelevance by him. We're talking lifetime dyed-in-the-wool Sony guys like Layden all ran through the exits. I don't think the full shape of "Ryan's Playstation" will be seen for another 1-3 years after everything already in the pipeline by his predecessors.
But I hear you on the retro gaming. It's ironic it's in the same thread as people complaining about how the 20 Bethesda games are all old, but there's a ton of good stuff in those back catalogs....I keep playing PS1 games on my Switch!
Yeah, I play my 2DS XL a lot too. I find myself increasing less interested in modern gaming, as I dont really enjoy online games and would rather play through Midnight Resistence or OutRun. I really liked Doom 3, played on the original Xbox back in the day. Not sure how relevant I am to these conversations but will be a PS5 I'll pick up next I'm sure, then use it to play Bubble Bobble and Sunset Riders on arcade archives probably, ha.
@Ristar24 LOL, yeah, I'm slightly more modern. I'm using my PS5 for Gravity Rush (remaster of the Vita game) and soon want to get to Trials of Cold Steel 1 & 2 (PS4 PSP ports).....probably a waste of a PS5, but it loads super fast! But I do need it for Naughty Dog hits. Like Jak 1 and Crash......
@deathaxe it’s funny what Auto HDR, 60 FPS mod, and a low price point has people doing...
Edit: they just added Skyrim to the FPS boost so you don’t even had to install the mod.. oops
The bottom line is how many people are going to pick Microsoft over Sony because the now own Bethesda. Knowing Sony still has it Powerhouse of game studios! Don't forget Game Pass is in transition to Game Pass Ultimate at $180 a year! No doubt it hurts Sony now that they lost revenue from the sale Bethesda games. But that could be made up by more sales in Sony's games. Earnings report will tell the whole story.
@sanderson72 the controller feedback on the duelsense is a lot more than tilt motion
Imagine if Sony says it's purchasing 2K games and Rockstar Games 🤯
I wonder how much Sony has spent paying for exclusives to keep games of Xbox and how that has effected its investment. It was a strategy that worked well until now but Microsoft has come out and committed to opening up its much bigger wallet. If the timed exclusives redirected a lot of investment it may take Sony a while to react.
I agree that Sony need some public figureheads that communicate with fans.
Jim Ryan might be doing a good job but his ship is too quiet and he’s personally not gonna resonate with the average gamer.
MS are whipping Sony in the communication game right now...
@Bagwag82 2k's market cap is about $13 Billion. To buy out it will take about $16/18 Billion. Sony Market cap is about $15 Billion.
That's not going to happen.
@TooBarFoo I know I'm just imagining. 👍
@sanderson72. Ps5 is still outselling x box series x.so what you saying.word up son
@rjejr Sonic Transformed, great memories playing that on a projector when my kids were still kids. I think I'm going get the old set-up out when everyone is around on Sunday (Mother's day in the UK) Thanks for the reminder, you probably just made our family weekend
Give Koji Igarashi all the money to make Bloodstained 2, but make it look like Bloodborne in 2D (loved the original, but the character/monster designs were hideous!) Then all will be well, for me anyway! Actually bugger it, get Moon studios in on it too, they aren't owned by MS are they?!
Maybe they can do a Hybrid system similar to Disney +?
I don't think it's reasonable for them to offer their new games for free on release....but for example, Returnal being a $40 release for PS Plus users would probably work.
They would still get revenue, and also push people to join their subscription model.
I still stand by my previous comments here. Sony and Microsoft are poles apart in their goals. Sony want to sell as many machines as possible that are solely tied to their ecosystem. Microsoft doesn't care how many machines they sell at all but they want their ecosystem on as many platforms as possible. They're aiming to get Game Pass on everything that has a WiFi connection and some kind of storage. PlayStation and Nintendo gamers that want to play Zenimax/Bethesda games don't have to buy an Xbox. They can have an Android phone. Soon to be an Apple phone. Tablet. Laptop. PC. Anyone claiming that Microsoft is halving their potential revenue by not producing games for PS5, really doesn't understand that they aren't playing the same game as Sony and Nintendo anymore.
@__jamiie AND, the jury is still out on how that will work as a long-term revenue model.
Will subscription sales really make up for selling games at $60 or $70? Maybe when one person is likely to buy only one or two of your first-party games a year, but when you expand your library and you have more titles releasing, will it make economic sense to keep that up for just the base subscription price?
Maybe. Netflix seems to make some great content that way (and some turkeys, too). But I'm not sold on it, long-term. It's great for consumers, sure, but it may not last as a business model.
I guess we'll see in the next 3-4 years.
Does anybody know why Dreams hasn’t taken off?
@RobN It won't make up for £70 games initially, but they aren't playing the short game. Sony are. They actually seem quite shortsighted at this point. I can genuinely see a time where even Nintendo content is only sold via a sub service. They protect their IP more fiercely than any other platform holder in the world and unfortunately that's probably inevitable too.
@outsider83 I'm gutted too because it's one of the most amazing pieces of software ever made.
At this point there’s not a ton of AAA studios for them to bring in the fold. If they can’t lock down studios like Kojima Productions, Techland, & Eidos I would like to see them bring in some smaller teams and help them grow into bigger studios. Starting with developers like Ember Labs, Young Horses, Hello Games, etc.
As a lukewarm fan of all things Bethesda except for Dishonored, I'm not too worried about Sony. I hear this argument that MS's 1st party lineup is now somehow better than Sony's - but I don't see it.
Sony just needs to keep running their own race. More transparency would be nice, more consistent updates as well, but you get what you get.
I always thought it'd be nice if Sony laid out their gaming years a la Marvel's phases. Give us an outlook on PS5 Phase One, even if it's only logos and tentative release dates.
Also, the only thing I'm upset about losing is a potentially good Indiana Jones game. Really hoping that deal was preexisting but I'm not too sure.
Things to do for Sony - increase the backwards compatible games so everything PlayStation on ps5 , release of a dual sense PRO with the 4 back buttons and better quality parts,fold ps now into plus as a benefit also they could have chrunchyroll and funimation also folded in to plus so with that subscription you'd have free games,now and 2 anime services dethroning gamepass
Where Sony's falling behind vs Xbox is more complete backwards compatibility and the higher end PRO version of the stock pad and of course game pass fix all that and throw in the anime subscription s for good measure and Sony's going to step up to the challenges before it
Sony's going to have to have one of it's better studios attempt a WRPG. I say attempt, because to make a good one takes a great deal of skill and time. I hear people saying they should just make an Elder Scrolls type of game to compensate for the loss of Bethesda. Unfortunately, the only developer so far who can make an Elder Scrolls-like game is Bethesda themselves. No one else really comes close to the amount of systems involved and how well they mesh together.
To make matters worse for Sony, the latest rumors are we might get a Starfield trailer as soon as this month, so all PlayStation owners might get a first-hand view of what they are going to miss. This rumor also has Starfield coming out at the end of 2021 or beginning of 2022, so some of the Microsoft inflicted pain is a lot closer than 3 or 4 years down the road.
I like these kind of articles. Although this one packs some punches, I agree with all the points made and yeah I would like to see a return to the mid-late PS3 era Sony with good communication and some more competition. I think PS Now could really be more of a competitor especially if they baked PS plus in with it and added majority of older PS family titles.
Sony should put an offer in for square enix lol
1) The PlayStation YouTube channel always randomly drops trailers here and there. Why not make a weekly showcase. That would give each participant more exposure than a random drop that gets lost in the shuffle.
2) The first month's and years of the PS4 were also exciting because there was constant added functionality through firmware upgrades. Share play, streaming, etc... all great things.
PS5 also needs that innovation. Alone an option to have all games ai upscaled to 4k or simulated her would be fantastic.
There would be many ways to engage the community more.
@JapaneseSonic It's a fair response, I just feel like there's very little energy around the games Sony is publishing right now. I'm not asking for weekly updates, but a single update would be nice.
I do concede that I have a very unique perspective on this: I'm trying to run a single format website, and when the platform I cover is giving me practically nothing to work with, it can get frustrating.
But as I alluded to in the article, it's been like this for well over a year now. Ghost of Tsushima got a single gameplay blowout about a month before launch, and that was pretty much it for that game.
I guess we just have to accept this is how it'll be with all PlayStation's pursuits from now on. I think it's disappointing for us fans, though, I really do.
@tameshiyaku This is exactly what I'm talking about with your second point as well. Like you correctly point out, the first year of the PS4 was actually dryer than the PS5 in terms of software, but it felt like there was so much going on all the time.
I know COVID is creating challenges, but frankly I'm not sure that's an excuse anymore when there's been a year to adapt and others seem to be coping fine.
@TooBarFoo Thanks. Enjoy your weekend. And Happy Mother's Day to your mum for me. 😊
@NEStalgia "all Sony games must use Naughty Dog Camera(TM.)"
That's undeniable. 3rd person single play story driven action games IS the Sony brand. It just is.
Nintendo may currently have the appearance of BotW - take it or leave it - but that's just to distract you from paying $60 for all the 2D games like DK, Kirby, Yoshi and SSBU. Nintendo is pretending to be all in on open world bandwagon, but even SM3DW - it even has 3D and world in the title, is basically just a 2D game. So, they may look like BotW, but they play like S/NES games, 2D. If Nintendo wanted t make 3D open world games "nearly complete" Pikmin 4 would have released years ago. But they don't.
Such a strange post. This is a reaction to the last few weeks and not the months Sony has been leading things? Where's the studio acquisitions? They've got them, their teams are working on things and the releases are coming, but yeah we already know about them and that's probably why you are feeling the way you are. There's no big surprises yet, but rumours say they are on their way. Microsoft have been shouted loud recently but their exclusives are a long way off. Let's see where each of them are at in a couple of years.
It's not the responsibility of Sony to provide news articles for blogs and other websites such as this one. Are you annoyed because Sony is underperforming, or because you need to do something more than publish press releases in order to get traffic? Is this article simply borne of you looking at the latest stats that Google emailed you, and you realising that numbers are down?
Though Microsoft bought Bethesda and that genuinely changes things, Xbox STILL doesn't have any exclusive games on its new platform. Also, GamePass is looking increasingly unsustainable - how are they supposed to make money when they spend $7,500,000,000 on IP, and then give away the games? Until those factors change Sony isn't going to feel enough pressure to do anything different.
If Sony's going to step up and make a dual sense PRO then they'd have to address the stick drift problem with either much more robust and not cheap plastic parts same with the adaptive triggers no cheap parts though it's the 4 back buttons that should be like a set of l1,2 and r 1,2 on the back and hopefully they'll have l2/r2 as adaptive triggers
The current feel and weight of the dual sense is amazing and simple things like fixed problems and the 4 back buttons would be a must have for me and they're going to surpass the elite with extra bells and whistles that it lacks
While I'm glad to have a digital ps5 the user interface is awful while on the ps4 store and dashboard everything is much more quick and easy to get to not hiding behind other menus I'd like to have the ps4 store and dashboard as a base for the next generation which should have been more like a ps4 gui plus here's the new system extras like the cards under the games tab ps5 lacks a folder option put it in the to be fixed on the way
I expect as people who want a system get the ps5 more people are not going to be happy with the user interface and find out the ps4 store and dashboard are way better just lacking in the new quality of life improvements like inverted aim without switching it in each game and offering original audio which may include different languages but it is not something you have to do in games
Plus consistently offers better than Xbox live gold free games but with the advantage of game pass if Sony folded in the ps now as a free benefit putting the fact that you have to pay for game pass and live in question and because Sony's got both of the anime subscription services adding that free to plus subscribers would have everyone using the services need a plus subscription more added value to being a plus member and anyone who has funimation or chrunchyroll on Apple tv,Xbox or switch would get a sie account and plus driving people to purchase a new PlayStation 5 it's the end goal but would work
@get2sammyb This is a huge ask tbh...forum posters are the vocal minority and the majority of the user base isn't interested in what Phil Spencer says on Twitter. To ask for Sony to adopt a similar style of PR is kinda ridiculous as that's simply corporate culture and there's no definitive way to say one is stronger over the other. Besides, how many times has Phil said something and it ended up being bad PR for them.
Also, there is no competing with what MS did, they overpaid a ton to secure Zenimax and Sony will not make similar moves. Expect them to buy the usual suspects like Bluepoint or Housemarquee because that's what makes financial sense. Also, who has the most studios is not synonymous with who has the best exclusives. How many genres does Nintendo have the highest-rated and selling games in? They do not have more studios than Sony let alone the new MS.
Lastly, this is reactionary to some extent. No "game has been changed" until there's a bunch of high-quality exclusive content you can only get on Xbox or PC. That's not here yet, and we are assuming the best stuff to come from Bethesda will be completely exclusive or will be the new hot things in the industry. That's not how hits work, and MS, besides buyouts have not really struck a chord with anything besides Forza in a decade. Making quality games that everyone wants is hard, buying a bunch of studios does not guarantee that.
What's next for Playstation is Returnal and Ratchet and Clank. Then FF16...They will probably go after SE/Capcom more aggressively with potential Zenimax games being taken away from the platform. They are reacting I'm sure, but we're not going to hear about it because Sony doesn't play video-game industry soap opera lol. It's about the games, and I already have a backlog on my PS5. If Xbox has a bunch of cool stuff in 2-3 years, I'll just buy one of those then. The drama around where to play good games is honestly getting tired.
Congratulations. Very well written and informative article. But how do you know that Microsoft isn't already "up to speed"? Remember that things seem to move slowly when you are looking from a distance. Sony should be careful to not be caught by surprise (again). I think loosing windows of opportunities is a luxury that SIE doesn't have anymore.
@Salt_AU Interesting. I don’t have the game, but I was looking forward to playing it in the future. I hoped to have lots of creator content to play through, like when I started playing LittleBigPlanet (PS3&Vita). I spent HOURS playing through user created levels. I never finished the main campaign modes. What I saw of Dreams, prior to the release, had me very excited. Maybe it suffered from being released late in PS4’s lifespan. Will it get the remaster treatment?
@Shepard93n7 I just want to remind you sony japan had last guardian for 2 gens and its only just now running properly on ps5 reshuffling them was a smart move
I vehemently disagree about the gamepASS point. gamepASS is unsustainable, and bad for the industry. Think about Netflix, and how many subscribers they need. Now, think about how many subscribers gamepASS has and how insignificant it truly is, and how bad it is for the Dev's.
Especially considering that most of their alleged 18 million subs, paid 1 dollar for 3 year's. And some were even free in a box of Pop Tarts.
I do agree that PlayStation needs to be slightly more active. However, if you truly look at all of Xbox's talking. There is never anything of substance. They are all talk. "Biggest and Best this, Largest and most Powerful that", and its hardly ever true.
They went 4 years without any new AAA games! Ran Halo, Gears, and Forza in the ground yearly. Loaded with Micro-Transactions. When PlayStation or Nintendo speaks, generally there is something of significance there.
Xbox is all talk, flat out. Sure the Zenimax deal is big. But all it is, is a portal to try to get gamepASS on PS & NIN hardware.
@KippDynamite iv never understood this aswell it doesn't make sense to have all those studios making new AAA games at the same time and only charge $16 a month for them... but I'm no business analyst
@sanderson72 - PS5 has a 2.5million worldwide sales lead over Trashbox
I wonder why so many people are suggesting that Now and Plus merge? I would suppose that there'd be people who don't do Multiplayer who use PS Now. I know I use PS Now generally for the single player games
@UltimateOtaku91 First party or Second Party new IP’s this generation —
Ghost of Tsushima, Dreams, The Order 1886, Concrete Genie, Death Stranding, Horizon Zero Dawn, Erica, The Last Guardian, Until Dawn, Detroit Become Human, ...not to mention tons of VR....
I understand what you’re saying that you want diversity and we always think of the the same 4 or 5 Sony franchises that get all the attention, but in reality there is an amazing creative diversity that Sony studios put out. Sure, they might benefit from a big Bethesda-esque WRPG and a better arsenal of fighting games, FPS, and racers, but I think there is so much more to Sony than Uncharted, The Last of Us, and God of War.
The problem here is that Sony is being outspent. MS is determined to buy up every 3rd party studio that they can get their hands on. Gamepass is not profitable, or sustainable. MS wants to crush Sony so that they can transform the game industry into a Live Services model, that charges gamers out the wazoo. The best thing for Sony to do is focus on staying in business so they can offer a counter for when MS goes back to it's old anti-consumer ways.
MS will continue to purchase whatever 3rd party studios that they can get their hands on. All so that they can slap their name on that dev's games, while keeping them off PS consoles. If MS were to buy Capcom, Square Enix, and Sega, then PS consoles would be reduced to nothing. They would be like Nintendo, lacking many great 3rd party games.
Gamepass subscriptions alone are not enough to cover the costs of game development. If you don't believe me, just take a look at the Anime industry. Anime costs much less to develop than games, yet that industry is slowly dying. Why? Because subs don't pay nearly as much money as selling physical media. Hardly anybody buys Anime on physical discs anymore. We all stream it. MS is pulling the age old trick of selling items under cost in the hopes of putting a competitor out of business. They don't care if Gamepass loses them billions per year, so long as they can get the majority of gamers playing exclusively on their platforms in the next decade. Whether you stream games to your phone, buy an Xbox, or play on PC MS wants you to play their games and sub to their services. And yes, they want you to do that instead of getting a Playstation or Nintendo console.
The ultimate goal of MS is to get rid of the competition, in ten years, so that they are free to charge up the wazoo for everything. Gamepass will double or even triple in price. Microtransactions will become the norm on Gamepass, as MS rakes the money in. Gamers will wind up spending three to four times as much per game as they do now. But most Gamers won't even mind. They will be like a frog in a pot of water as it slowly comes to a boil.
Sony's best strategy is to do their best to stay in business long term. The strategy of outspending your competition only works if you drive them out of business, so you can be the only game in town, and then jack prices up to recoup your losses.
@Omnistalgic I don't think sammys asking for Sony to do what Microsoft does. He's asking for Sony to do what Sony did for the past 25 years up until Jim Ryan took over and essentially halted all fan engagement communication outside official agency advertising...
We went from e3 stadiums and 2 dedicated Sony conferences, plus tgs, pax etc to ..... Nothing but an occasional tweet and confusing SoPs.
@rjejr don't kid yourself. Nintendo makes only open world games. All the others are just ports (sorry, "remasters"). from 1-3 gens ago.
@get2sammyb at this point in their communications games, push square should just combine with Nintendo life, that way you can all cover absolutely no official news whatsoever, together, and spend all day covering rumors, linkedin updates of ground texture designer #11435 at EA, fanfic, and rewording Phil Spencer and Reggie quotes in ways that makes them look relevant to the NEW Nintendo PlayStation.
@ShiningStar I agree. But, it's important to plan for the future.
@GameCollector84 I confess it is so rare to see intelligent posts in the internet that you surprised me. I would not have bothered to present that case. I assume you studied this topic in university as well, because you are totally correct.
Microsoft is taking a huge risk, and they need about 100m subscribers to make a profit. I believe they announced they were aiming at 80m last i heard. That is why they are also on PC. It would be impossible to do that on Xbox alone.
Glad to see i'm not the only one that notices a scam coming. MS has done the bait and switch many times in the past. More recently with the Xbox 360 and transition to Xbox1 fully online. But, they were too early and luckily it backfired. But, they are trying again.
If people don't actually prop this game pass stuff, they will drop Xbox like they did Mixer. But websites love to hype it up, so it worries me. That and short memories.
Sony does need to expand their first party studios though, in order to prevent spill to the competition. The trick to beating Microsoft is preventing the growth of game pass and putting the pressure on their side.
You are the worst Sammy, seriously. You are always bitching and a constant malcontent, and more importantly a fair weather fan. I couldn't disgree more with everything you've said. You are like a petulant child in a car ride constantly asking their parents, "Are we there yet?" Or an ungrateful person at Christmas who reacts to his gifts saying, "That's it?" The Ps5 has only been out for about 4 months and in that time period was the fastest selling console of all time. It also had a solid launch lineup of games and solid games have come each month with many free Ps5 upgrades. Then starting in April we get at least one big game a month for the rest of the year starting with Returnal. And 2022 looks amazing as well. Sony has also really upped it's game with Ps Plus and Ps Now. With Ps Plus right off the bat you get the 20 game classic collection, which is great. Ps plus monthly games have been crushing games with gold lately releasing some truly great games like Control Ultimate edition and FF7 remake. On top of that we have been getting new releases with plus, which is pretty killer. With Destructiom All-Stars, Bugsnax, and Maquette. We also know that this trend will continue as next month we will be getting Oddworld for free, day and date. This is great and it shows Sony is commited to it's player base. On top of all that Somy has been giving free games away because of covid, which is a very cool thing they did.
No the Bethesda acquisition did not change the game. Sorry. Yes it is a good pick up for Microsoft. But it's far from the end of the world. There is no denying that Bethesda's quality has gone down significantly over the last 10 years. Sony may have less studios but they have multiple teams working in each studio. They have better properties overall that are higher quality.
Obviously Sony is going to respond. But who cares if Microsoft is temporarily dominating the news cycle? It is not going to last forever. Remember Microsoft had to do this because they got blown away last gen. Gamepass is not the end all be all. First of all you don't own the games with gamepass. Secondly gamepass' value to consumers does not come without a cost. It is a destructive force in the industry as it lowers the perceived value of games in the eyes of their consumers. This is going to hurt all the developers, but indie devs in particular, and likely cause many to go out of business because they can't get a fair price for their games.
Finally Sony doesn't need to copy Microsoft. It's doing it's own thing, like offering the best single player games in the industry and many other things as well. Which many, many, people want. But they have an answer to gamepass, it's called Ps Now. It has 1,000 games 330 of which you can download. When you combine that with ps Plus you have a far better value than gamepass in my opinion. You obviously are so in awe of Microsofts money. You honestly think Sony has to react to everything Microsoft does the instant they do it? Get real. All you ever do is whine and be negative Sammy. Why don't you switch this site to an xbix channel because you seem so blown away by everything they are doing. The games from Bethesda are years away. In this entire generation they will probably only release 15 games from all if their studios. There are thousands of other studios and games left in the industry.
@GameCollector84
I think you are being very cynical.
I think MS's long term plan will be to have enough first party content in Game Pass where they don't need to push so hard by paying devs for 3rd party games to be included. That way, the sub fees will go straight back into their company.
Currently, it's £10.99 for Game Pass Ultimate. Last report was 18m subs. That's over 2 billion a year just from GPU.
@Exlee300p I do agree. It used to be moans about the value of ps+ games, or the lack of info about PS5 in the run-up to launch, or the supposed weaker hardware compared to MS. Since those arguments are dead in the water now, I guess it has to be something else for some people.
I'd also add that this is not some kind of red or blue pill scenario anyway. If any of us really wants a series X as well as, or even instead of, a PS5 then capitalism reliably informs me that that is actually entirely possible.
Some people are just glass half-empty types. It will always be thus.
@blinx01
Microsoft regularly offers gamepass for $1 a month to new users. If you buy a new graphics card it will likely come with 3 months of Gamepass for free. So we can't even assume that all 18 million Gamepass users are paying the full price. That 2 billion a year is cut down by the cost to run servers.
Now keep in mind that big AAA games regularly cost well over $100 million to make. For one extreme example, Halo Infinite has a budget of over $500 million.
Gamepass is not profitable, and won't be for ten years, if ever.
Edit: I forgot to multiply gamepass' $9.99 by 12 months. This caused me to say that Gamepass brought in 179 million a year. That's what I get for commenting on no sleep.
@GameCollector84
What you calculated is per month, not per year.
But even so I think Sony has much better quality overall than MS. I feel like the quality of the first party titles will gradually decline over time if they are automatically free on game pass.
Sony could do with a good first party shooter just about now though.
@suprnova23
Oh man. I'm half asleep today thanks to Daylight Savings Time. Only slept about 4 hours last night. Turn out MY math was the wrong math.
@NEStalgia I don't know about PS merging w/ NL (again) but NL could just start covering all of the Sony non-news, it'd be about as relevant as all of the other random hardware Damo has takes a shine too. 😂
@ShiningStar
I agree with what you guys are saying but please be respectful of the writers. I personally think there is not even a debate to have on the topic.
There are discussion to be have about Sony having an approach (like PC gaming development) but knee jerk article reaction about what Xbox is doing every dam time Spencer says something sounds weird.
I do understand the sites got to live so there is that.
@GameCollector84
My calculations were based on UK price at 12 months.
Obviously not everyone is paying full price, but the $1/£1 is only for new subscribers.
Nope, Game Pass isn't profitable right now, but like mentioned in my previous post, if they can get enough 1st party content to the point they aren't relying on paid 3rd party games, then that money is all going back to them.
Obviously the 2 billion is not pure profit, but we are talking about a service right now that is only 3 years old that hasn't even had any huge releases.
Let's be real. This is looking like the future of gaming, even if some don't like it.
Sony has PS Now sitting there that's 7 years old with 2.2 million subscribers. It's a sleeping giant waiting to wake. It just needs Sony to see the success of Game Pass to fully commit.
The current £70 price tag of games is going to kill off a lot of creative games like we've already seen at Sony Japan Studio, with a mass exodus.
@blinx01
It's definitely the future of gaming. It really makes me worried because if people stop buying games, and developers have to rely on whatever money MS gives them for Gamepass, then I see a lot of developers forced into monetizing their games. And for me, that is pretty much the end of gaming. If a game is free on Gamepass, but comes with a monetization model, I'm not playing it. I don't want every game to become like Fortnite or Fall Guys with an in game store. I'd much rather pay $60 to $70 and have the entire game like with Spider-Man, Mario Odyssey, or GoW. Sure, maybe there's $30 DLC added on later, but that's no big deal, compared to the hundreds of dollars you can spend on other games' monetization models.
@GameCollector84
Yep, I can definitely see where you are coming from.
I don't think paid games will ever go away. There's still a large amount that would rather own a game if it' something they are going to replay over time.
I personally think Sony should beef up PS Now by offering first party games in the service 6 months after release. That way it's a bit like a cinema model, where people that can pay the premium to own and play the game before the people that are waiting for the 'rented home release' option.
I don't expect Sony to react this year though. I think it will next year when the big games start hitting Game Pass.
@GameCollector84 This is an interesting take, I honestly hope you are wrong, because that's not where I want the industry to go. No one can compete with MS in cash reserves, so if the company is willing to sell, they will always win out.
@GameCollector84 @Nem The Xbox Live Gold price hike announcement in January was the most obvious sign that Game Pass isn't currently profitable.
@blinx01
Yeah a Gamepass-like service on PS5 and PS4 would do wonders for them. So long as you could download the games to your harddrive you'd be good to go. It wouldn't take that much to implement either. Just expand on what's already being offered via the PS+ collection.
Besides. Most PS 1st party titles are $20 a year after release anyway. Not that hard to throw them onto PS+ for free.
@rjejr at least Damo has crazy retro hardware to cover and it's relevant to the retro history of Nintendo players. Poor Sammy only has PlayStation to cover that's relevant...
Plus nl has Kate. They're superior by default.
@Grumblevolcano Idk about not profitable. I think the hike was about raising the subscriber base to meet install base targets for publishers, to strong arm participation to those on the fence about the value to them.
@GameCollector84
Yeah, this is why I hope Sony eventually go for it next year.
The key sales period for these games are the first 3 months anyway.
The Last of Us 2 sold like crazy initially, and then 3 months later, reduced down to £25 to try and drum sales back up.
That's the only way I see Sony taking PS Now seriously. Can't see them being too bold and putting their games in day one.
We shall see anyway. At the moment it's back to carefully cherry picking which PS5 exclusive to drop £70 on!
It probably doesn’t make sense for them to introduce anything too crazy when the PS5 is still flying out the door.
But a PS+ collection that adds games around 1 year after release sounds like a good sensible approach.
I have no doubt Sony execs were shaken by the news of the Bethesda acquisition. That's made all the more potent by the confirmation that new games from the publisher won't come to Playstation. I have no doubt that MS will acquire a major Japanese studio such as Sega or Capcom.
So when the next Doom or Skyrim or some iconic Japanese franchise is announced exclusively for XBox and PC, Sony cannot respond with yet another third-person action game. They need more diversity in their lineup.
I think MS just scored a point on PS's own game: Exclusives.
(Obviously they cheated, but it's a point nevertheless)
So now it's equal. But not for customers, because if you used to own a PS4 you could actually own almost all popular console games, except for Nintendo's. In the future you'll need an Xbox too.
But it doesn't stop there: while it's equal now, MS is still on the offensive side with its Game Pass tactic. Although PS is a company hard aka impossible to beat, we PS supporters are watching these developments kind of abashed.
But keep in mind Bethesda has not delivering insanely great releases the last couple of years. Neither is the chance very high they will in the near future. That might probably be a reason why they went on sale in the first place.
Good thing is, Playstation will now be forced (but also ‘able’) to fill up the gap of the weird fantasy/sci-fi genre with their own IP’s. A territory that was owned by Fallout, Elder Scrolls and Doom/Wolfenstein.
And last but not least, the game pass sounds more promising than it will be in reality. On Netflix (for example) most content is only watchable for a short period of time. Which works fine for films and TV shows, but not for games. So MS’s game pass will be a very frustrating place to be when you discover that the (3rd party) game you often play, has suddenly left the lineup. So you'll still need to buy it. Game pass will probably be more like a demo or try out pass. Except for some of their 1st party games obviously.
@Grumblevolcano Yeah. Imagine, how many subscribers do they need over time to cover the 7,5 billion Bethesda acquisition . (And that's just the start of what they need to cover).
@Bagwag82 Didn't say it wasn't, but it'll be interesting to see what use they put the haptic feedback to in a Ratchet and Clank game. I was referring to the DS3's tilt motion as that was included but added nothing to the game in Tools Of Destruction, in fact if anything, it was an annoyance.
@playstation1995 @marty8370
Just saying that until the consoles are available in decent numbers for people to buy, the split between X Series Whatever and the PS5 won't become apparent.
PS5 seems to being viewed as more aspirational, especially with the DS5, but the numbers (related to the stock availability most likely) it's too close to call....yet
@NEStalgia Well I wouldn't say superior by default, but Kate gives them an edge. 😉
@sanderson72 well hopefully they take note of Astros playroom for inspiration
@NEStalgia..... I would like to correct you on the ps3. Sony did not give the middle finger to the devs, the IBM-Sony power pc cell architecture took time to develop tools for, X360 was same architecture as Xbox hence the quicker release of the 360, when Ms launched Sony where way behind, the ps3 was technically supposed to launched in 2008. Essentially the Ps3 launched without dev tools because it was forced launched as they could not afford to launch 2 years late. So the Sony engineers had to work with devs when making a game almost like teaching them from scratch how to program the games on the system as Mark Cerny has elaborated it took the ps3 6 to 12 months to triangle whereas ps5 is less than 1 month, ps1 being 1 month, ps2 and Ps4 being 2-3 months.
The price of the ps3 was not a rip of also as the power pc system including Nvidia graphics card was expensive but also the Sony developed blue-ray was new and the ps3 was still the cheapest blueray player on the market.
So because of MS early launch ps3 suffered as follows:
Expensive new tech - power pc+blueray+ps1+ps2
Rediculed innovation - six axxis
Needing to match what Microsoft did - i.e. Success of Bungie's Halo led to people wanting to see Sony response or reaction to Halo - which is why there was pressure with no games being showcased for launch for the consol ( cause devs had to decipher the cell architecture, because of no dev tools available ), so everybody wanted to see Sony's answer to Halo
This led to Ken Kutaragi to say (probably under immense pressure from gamers, management and investors) that the Ps3 can launch with any game for a year and people will still buy it, which made gamers pissed and nailed their decision to get the 360 on launch hence 360's early moment.
The 360/Ps3 Era actually casts a bad reflection on both Microsoft and Xbox because they launched first yet they sold the least consoles at the end.
Also Microsoft's selling noise and marketing has been top notch since the very first Xbox and the are very good at focasting or selling what might come up for Xbox in the future very well since the from 1999/2000 when we first saw marketing of the Xbox and the have delivered in some of those promise and foaled in others.
So yeah interesting, but I think the nex gen will be defined by the next 18-24 months.
So the the Ps3 misfortune launch was not due to ARRONGANT SONY, it was Sony trying to innovate but system R&D and Architecture cost them time to optimize the system for the dev, which led to a domino of events hence the things that happened to the Ps3 launch.
Funny thing is that Sony had had BC on two consoles and 1 and all of a sudden its a popular thing when Sony does not include it on the Ps4.
@GREGORIAN That's a tremendous amount of damage control for ps3. They built a bespoke proprietary, incredibly difficult to work with piece of engineering without the input of those that would use it or buy it, without concern as to the price point or market conditions, or even how possible it was too build, because they felt they had an unshakeable monopoly against a dead Sega and a steeply sliding Nintendo and could force the market, and the industry to accept it due to lack of choice. Their production costs went up after the Cell for the GPU proved to be a disaster and they had to buy a packaged gpu at any cost.
They got blindsided by a new competitor they hadn't counted on existing entering the ring mid-tantrum and outspending then to market, and then got the second punch unexpectedly from the shock success of Wii&DS. They had the world, and they lost it. Yes, due to arrogance.
And the narrative that "ps3 outsold x360" is disingenuous, and that's putting it mildly. In the primary markets, and NA in particular 360 curb stomped ps3 and it wasn't even close. In fact x1 was closer to ps4 than ps3 was too 360. It caught up in unit sales simply due to existing in markets 360 didn't exist in at all, including Japan, and did so only after they were producing the low budget super slim. The minimal profits on that, the losses from early on, and the high rate of used games sales make that "more units" a very hollow victory. Things were dire, and Shu Yoshida already confirmed it was bad enough between that and Vita if PS4 didn't take off as it did, PlayStation was finished. (And wiiu put Nintendo close to that position, and x1 did Microsoft as well.)
Fans like to spin the unspinnable for some reason. PS3 was a fun console, bit the business of it was bad, and it was arrogance of Sonys own making. "We spent more on design and parts then they market is willing to spend because we thought they'd have no alternative" isn't a valid way to save it.
They messed up with ps3. Their fault. And they know and have admitted commercial failure there. There's nothing to spin. It's just good they learned from it.
@Playstation - PS5 closer too 6million sold now, PS5 is selling little over 200K a week
worldwide. Trashbox aka Waitbox is close to 4million sold worldwide,
Trashbox aka Waitbox selling upto 100K week worldwide.Its around 2-1
worldwide. Trashbox is over 2million console sales behind PS5
@NEStalgia....... But ps3 sold 83-86 million whereas 360 sold 63 at best 75 million with a full year ahead of launch. So except for US where all American products due tend to dominate forereign e.g. IPhone is dominant in the US more than any market which is what makes US super rich as they super circulate more money locally in the US and more more local goods than any country worlwide , Europe and everywhere else ps3 beat 360.
So what ps3 lost most was the US market, hence Sony's push towards US in the Ps4 gen even culminating with HQ moving to the US.
@GREGORIAN That's not really a favorable narrative for ps3 is attempting to defend it. They built a bespoke proprietary, incredibly difficult to work with piece of engineering without the input of those that would use it or buy it, without concern as to the price point or market conditions, or even how possible it was to build, because they felt they had an unshakeable monopoly against a dead Sega and a steeply sliding Nintendo and could force the market, and the industry to accept it due to lack of choice. Their production costs went up after the Cell for the GPU proved to be a disaster and they had to buy a packaged gpu at any cost.
They got blindsided by a new competitor they hadn't counted taking seriously entering the ring mid-tantrum and outspending them to market, and then got the second punch unexpectedly from the shock success of Wii&DS. They had the world, and they lost it. Yes, due to arrogance.
Also the oft repeated by fans narrative that "ps3 outsold x360" is disingenuous, and that's putting it mildly. In the primary markets, and NA in particular 360 curb stomped ps3 and it wasn't even close. In fact the failure that was x1 was closer to ps4 in NA than ps3 was to 360. It wasn't a wiiu/vita level failure but it was bad. It caught up in unit sales simply due to existing in markets 360 didn't exist in at all, including, for practical purposes, Japan, and did so only after they were producing the low budget super slim. The minimal profits on that, the losses from early on, and the high rate of used games sales at that late value stage make that "more units" a very hollow victory. Things were dire, and Shu Yoshida already confirmed it was bad enough between that and Vita if PS4 didn't take off as it did, PlayStation was finished. (And wiiu put Nintendo close to that position, and x1 did Microsoft as well.)
Fans like to spin the unspinnable for some reason. PS3 was a fun console, and personally, software wise, I actually like the ps3 era more than late ps4 and what were seeing so far with ps5. It was a really fun console. But the business of it was bad, and it was arrogance of Sonys own making. "We spent more on design and parts then the market is willing to spend because we thought they'd have no alternative... And then insulted consumers when they protested." isn't a valid way for them to save it. And rumor has it they were going to repeat that pricing mistake with ps5 and MS, thankfully, forced them down. Given the whale prices from scalpers I don't think we'll be that lucky for ps6 and series z.
They messed up with ps3. Their fault caused by their arrogance, and they paid for it heavily. And they know and have admitted commercial failure there. There's nothing to spin. It's just good they learned from it. They're just lucky Microsoft committed the same exact error the next time, otherwise I'm not sure ps would have had the recovery they desperately needed, and MS would have had the chance to lock down the industry 7 years ago.
I'm a fan of all 3 platforms, but i never want to see any of them get into that powerful leader position... Things get lucky when they do, and then things get desperate the next gen. We've been screwed by all 3 at different times, and we already lost Sega to it.
@GREGORIAN (I'm not sure what happened but my first reply isn't showing, but i think you replied to it. Maybe it got modded it maybe i double posted and the software doesn't show the first... Weird.. So if the conversation is disjointed that's why.)
Anyway the us doesn't really buy american things from American multinationals. Unfortunately that's not a thing here like it is in Japan outside industries like steel or tools where there's a bit of a national pride thing in those industries. I think it SHOULD be a thing but it isn't. Apple, xbox etc just get a boost here due to more advertising spend in the domestic market, probably because it's cheaper to advertise domestically.
The only time xb beat ps was 360, because Sony blew it badly. Heck i had ps3 before 360. I ended up getting 360 too because ps3 ran everything just so darned badly. And then through owning it really learned to like their ecosystem too (moreso in a number of ways ). But i was Sonys customer to lose, and they lost me. The inverse was true the following gen though... Lol
This gen things seem a lot more optimistic to balance things out. Or so we can hope. They're all better with strong competition.
"while its Game Pass initiative – regardless of financial viability –" This is where the article starts sounding like a fanboy and not someone wanting to be taken seriously for their writing. Game Pass has been proven financially viable for all parties for long time and has been said so many times.
@ShiningStar lmao not sure about that
@Grumblevolcano thats not true either, it was to push people onto game pass so its sustainable to keep it cheap
@render if remedy says no to xbox because they want to stay independent they sure as hell wont let ps buy them
"PS Plus, to Sony’s credit, is outstanding value right now "
ok uh.
They need to market it more sure
@Northern_munkey
I had all three of those games: Wipeout, Destruction Derby, and Ridge Racer. They also had a football game, a fighter, and Jumping Flash. All of these games were incredible for their time.
It seems like Microsoft was just dipping their toe in the gaming industry the past 20 years, and now they have decided to finally jump all in. Sony shouldn't try to copy Microsoft. They just can't. Microsoft can afford to break even on Xbox for the next 10 years in order to build Game Pass into a ubiquitous service. Sony doesn't have that luxury. So I think they should continue to do what they are doing, and look for new ways to differentiate themselves from Xbox.
But the one area they SHOULD copy Xbox is PR/marketing. Xbox has been doing a great job of this recently. There is just a constant barrage of positive Xbox news. The Xbox podcasts always have something new to talk about on their shows.
And Xbox does a lot better job on social media too. The PlayStation execs are distant. Xbox execs are constantly interacting with their fans. It is a really different vibe.
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