Horizon Forbidden West is out now, and we absolutely love it. The game – which we awarded a 9/10 in our Horizon Forbidden West PS5 review – was originally scheduled to release towards the tail-end of last year, but was pushed back ever so slightly into February. That, according to game director Mathijs de Jonge, was a decision made to help the Dutch developer to avoid crunch.
“We are very aware of the disadvantages of crunching, so we take that into account a lot in our planning,” he told a Dutch news website (machine translated). “To give an example, at Christmas we said that there would be no work and that everyone could just have a two-week vacation. The company was closed, you couldn't even go there to work.”
De Jonge accepted that not everyone wants a Christmas holiday – “Some people like to keep working, [and] we're not going to stop that,” he explained – but stressed that his company sends out a “strong message” when it comes to crunch: “Forbidden West might have come out at the end of last year, but then we might have had to work overtime. People also need to be able to relax and take vacations.”
While the PS5 and PS4 did feel the absence of Horizon Forbidden West over the Christmas period, Sony’s having a killer start to 2022, and that holiday drought feels like a distant memory now. The main thing is that the game is extremely good, and worthy of all the attention it’s getting – if you’re just getting started with Aloy’s sophomore outing today, then be sure to hit up our Horizon Forbidden West guide.
[source nu.nl, via resetera.com]
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Talking of delays. Here in the UK the Post Office insn't operating today because of storn Eunice. 100mph winds. No HFW for me today
This is really good to hear and so far having a great time with the game. Keep up the fantastic work, Guerrilla!
Hey, if it means something to you, you’ll work hard to do what it takes.
@GoodGame That is a bit of a sh*tter mate but hopefully it will arrive in the morning and you can have a good crack at it over the weekend. I presume you are down South as up here in the North the post is still coming. Mines is on route via Amazon but nervously awaiting the van turning up! Could you not go to the sorting office and pick it up?
@GoodGame I feel your pain, looks like mine won’t be arriving either.
@Mostik Yes. Down south. Right by the sea too. The weather is awful.
All the offices are closed.
@davesmith01 Bummer eh
@GoodGame Same! I can be patient. Don't want our local postman to put himself at risk.
Already seen someone get a van back door slam right into their face as it was being opened, a gust of wind accelerated that process.
@GoodGame you’d think the 100mph winds would help them deliver the post faster 🤣
“Oh please, it’s just, I don’t know… drizzling!” - Miranda Priestly
I’m in the same boat sadly. But I still need to finish Lost Legacy so I’m not too mad.
@GoodGame Awful timing!
@GoodGame Ah I'm sorry to hear it.
Eunice is pretty bad here too.
I'm fully expecting the power to go at some point. All I'm thinking about all day at work is this game, but I'm looking at the trees swaying...
It's a rough one.
@GoodGame yep. It’s only a bit of wind, you’d think they’d be willing to risk an injury to make sure new games are delivered on release day wouldn’t you 😆.
I bought it digitally so no postman for me. However cause of the storm I have no power! So no playing for me today too.
@GoodGame Same here mate. 😥
I'll have to make do with Planet Coaster and Cyberpunk 2077 until tomorrow... hopefully tomorrow anyway as it would be really disappointing to have to wait until after the weekend.
One of the problems with ordering physical online, no guarantees and of course the storm doesn't help.
I can’t complain got digital downloaded so playing now as winds stopped me going to work.
No surprise there as this is in the Netherlands.
Eventually it took how long for this to come out? Whatever it was, it didn't feel like it took forever. Consumers aren't just gonna vanish. They'll patiently wait and receiving a finished product creates returning costumers. Always this this shareholder nonsense talk. Just finish the damn game before release
Wind's howlin'
Very good decision, imo. The creative "juices" flow much better for people that are not too stressed and are well rested, they have more patience, are more inventive, pay more attention to details etc.
That heavily influences the quality of the resulted product, and this game clearly proves it. Good job!
As it should be!! Glad that Sony understand this and enable their Development studio's to have sufficient time to produce their games. Its a shame that other Publishers push and crunch devs to get the game out by a certain date, regardless of how 'ready' it is for release by then.
@Shinnok789 Sometimes pressure creates diamonds. I don't know if crunch is that bad. As I understand it crunch is just a whole lot of overtime at the very end of a project. It is not good to be doing overtime for years on end, but a month or two every three or four years is really not a huge sacrifice.
I have no PS5 and I have no time to play the latest releases when they come out. I will get to things eventually.
I have so much respect for him. Wish there were more bosses like him leading companies.
I’m glad at least one studio gets it. Crunch culture should be shamed as should the people who support it.
@Apfelschteiner it’s also on PS4 too
While delays may be disappointing for the consumer, if it allows a well managed team to avoid having to crunch and delivers players a more polished product, everyone wins.
I mean they only delayed it a couple of months. If the game needs more time let it cook. There's no shortage of other games to play in the meantime.
Would love to work there. Sadly, my skillset doesn't match lol
My Horizon Forbidden West has not even been sent out for delivery yet by Amazon. It is still in their final depot for delivery. Anyone else with this problem.
Take some notes Naughty Dog.
@Apfelschteiner
"In February of 2011, fresh off nine months of 80-hour work weeks, Jessica Chavez took a pair of scissors to her hair. She’d been working so hard on a video game—14 hours a day, six days a week—that she hadn’t even had a spare hour to go to the barber."
https://kotaku.com/crunch-time-why-game-developers-work-such-insane-hours-1704744577
@NDTiger06 Hard work doesn’t mean you should have to suffer mentally and physically
@DragonSlayer1759 if I were you I wouldn’t go with Amazon for games because people are always talking about issues. It’s even more unstable because of the pandemic. Try Target or Best Buy
@Nepp67 Be careful with that comment, you’re going to bring out the Druckmann defense force.
@Apfelschteiner I strongly disagree.
Having been through crunch periods myself a lot of times, I know exactly how it is and how it affects people's professional and personal lives.
While I can understand a few extra hours here and there, working 12-15 hours a day on every working day for weeks or months on end, chips away bit by bit at every aspect of your life, from work efficiency, to concentration and ultimately to personal health.
Here's a simple example: around 10 years ago, during a heavy crunching period, one day something started knocking at my right ear drum. Soft, easy knocks, continuous for about 5-10 seconds - then pause for 5 seconds then again knocking for 5-10 seconds.
And this happened day or night, for about 10 hours straight.
Then it would suddenly stop for 5-6 hours, then start again.
Been to an ear doctor, he looked inside, found only a few small hair wires, nothing else. He removed them, I went home, knocks were still there, same frequency, no change.
Went to another doctor, made some deeper ear investigations. Woe and behold, found nothing wrong. He prescribed some pills for a cold. Of course, no change, knocks still there, same as before.
Since 2 doctors were of no help, I started looking online, maybe I'll stumble onto similar cases.
Started with reading up on details about the inner ear, to understand what's inside that can make that type of noise.
One search lead to another, and I was able to put together some information.
It appears that because of too much stress and concentration to stay awake for so many hours, the muscle driving the Malleus (the "hammer" right behind the eardrum ) started having spasms. The more stress and heavy concentration, the longer the spasm periods.
The solution however, was rather simple. What calms muscle spasms? Magnesium
Started a cure of Magnesium pills and in a few days it was gone.
Should I mention how many sleepless night I had because of this during all of those investigations? On top of the crunching period....
Should I add the sedentary life style since you don't even have time to do any sports in those periods? Or you're too tired mentally to do any sports, even if you do find a couple of free hours.
Or the eating habits, that have to change to accommodate so much work during those periods.
And so on and so forth.
So here you go... some of the reasons why I wouldn't wish crunching periods on anyone.
Congrats on an excellent game and good work culture attitude. Hopefully more game companies are like this than not.
I've recently joined a company where working over your contracted hours is actively discouraged except in exceptional cases. My previous company had a culture where it was a badge of honour to be working at 1am. The difference is astounding, people are so much happier and more switched on at my new company.
@Barryburton97 i work for a company that trys to enforce mandatory overtime whenever they balls up the operation and have to ask for my teams help to clear up their mess..they never get their way as mandatory overtime is not a "thing" but bless them they do try..
Crunch is bad, good on them!
There is a value in giving people enough free time to recuperate, spending time with family, loved once and do some hobby's. Those people are more happy, more productive and will stay at your company. PlayStation is investing a lot in talent and making those talented peoples lives miserable doesn't keep them at the company.
The in the long term this is always the best way to run a company.
@Shinnok789 I definitely agree with what you are saying, I think the difference is what you consider crunch. I'm not advocating working so much that you can barely function or that your body deteriorates, just that people can put in a few more hours and some days on weekends on the understanding that it is not permanent and all time will be taken into account to give an extended break after the crunch. In any company that cares about sustainability and long-term results, it makes no sense to hurt your workers or make them miserable.
@Richnj I don't think people are really listening to what I'm saying. I'm saying that crunch is not inherently bad. I suggested maybe one or two months of overtime, not so much that people can't sleep or relax. 9 months is ridiculous. That kind of story doesn't counter my stated stance because it isn't relevant.
@Akurusu I'm not playing any games on PS4 that have a better version on PS5 when I have such a huge backlog of games that I have already purchased.
@Apfelschteiner I'm listening, but what you said talks as though crunch is normally just a couple months. But that doesn't address that what is normal crunch is months to years of overworking for zero extra pay. It also doesn't address that any amount of 80 hours a week is going to reduce productivity a lot. The piont of crunch at this point isn't to create a diamond. It's to force through as much work as possible at the cost of the human doing it.
If what you want to say is that crunch as a concept could be viable if it was balanced then saying "as I understand it, crunch isn't so bad" isn't me not listening, that's you failing to communicate what you mean.
@Fragile Just remember to take care of yourself. You can't do the work or take care of your family if it starts affecting you.
@Apfelschteiner You’re just gonna have to miss out then. I have a PS5 and I buy the PS4 versions just in case something happens to me PS5, I’ll still have the PS4. Plus I’m not supporting $70 games. Also, it only matters if you care about graphics. So yeah, just get the PS4 version or you’re gonna have to miss out
@Akurusu so brave dude, I work 55 hours this week and most other weeks. It’s funny how making money is bourgeoisie thing now. All this coddling does is make weak people
@Richnj you get payed for the end product when the game ships. So the more crunch that is put into game the faster it gets out and then they get payed.
@Shinnok789 you sound weak and like to find reasons and excuses to whine and get out of work. I sure wouldn’t want a flake like you working on my team, when things get tough, you’ll be curled up somewhere crying
@Quadalog You want me to believe that the guys at Guerilla went 5 years without any pay?
Overworking, like 55 hours a week can actually kill people. People aren't weak for not being able to handle it. Maybe you are just lazy when you're "working".
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210518-how-overwork-is-literally-killing-us
@Quadalog Oh you’re such a hardcore boomer. You’re proud to let a company own your life and slowly kill you
@Akurusu The funny thing is that I would buy a couple of 70 pound games near when I get myself a PS5, but the games will probably be cheaper then. I am fed up with PS4 performance and loading times, so I can wait. I won't miss out because all the games will be there when I get to them and will probably work better and be cheaper.
@Richnj Crunch does not last years or even many months. That is just a constant state of overtime and overwork. Yes, maybe I could have expressed myself better. I find crunch helps me be more productive and gets some of my best results as long as there is a rest period afterwards.
@Quadalog Get off your mom's couch, peaches! Clearly you don't know the hardships of real life.
@BAMozzy agreed, this is the type of news that needs to be talked about more. At the end of the day your health is up there and a developer promoting that would only attract more potential employees, not to forget good PR. On another totally unrelated note btw aren't you an xbox ambassador as well? Kind of odd seeing one somewhere else, but great nonetheless!
@Cherip-the-Ripper Yes I am an Xbox Ambassador too - we get about LOL
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