History has a way of repeating itself, and just like Horizon Zero Dawn in 2017, the discourse surrounding Horizon Forbidden West has been destroyed by the arrival of an alternative open world game. Twitter is awash with the repetition of an increasingly tedious gag: apparently gamers can’t wait for the third instalment in Guerrilla Games’ post-post-apocalyptic property, because based on past trends, it’ll be flanked by an even more impressive sandbox.
A lot of this chatter is, of course, intended to be taken tongue-in-cheek, but there’s venom to some of the hot takes that’s increasingly rubbing me the wrong way. Aloy’s inaugural outing got unfairly pitted against The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, an entirely different type of adventure game with the only real commonality being an emphasis on bows-and-arrows – and, frankly, the same thing is happening again with Elden Ring.
For anyone who followed the enthusiasts in the aftermath of Horizon Zero Dawn, a recurring sentiment is that the game was undone by the arrival of Nintendo’s seminal Nintendo Switch sandbox – a release with an entirely different emphasis on emergent gameplay encounters, traversal, and puzzle solving. I feel like a lot of Zelda’s strengths were pitted directly against Horizon Zero Dawn’s weaknesses, and a lot of the things Guerrilla did well – like story-telling – got undermined.
It’s been difficult to ignore this kind of discourse over the past five or so years, but it’s noise that I’ve learned to block out because ultimately I love both games. However, I see the same thing happening again, with some of the mood souring on Horizon Forbidden West already, simply because it’s not Elden Ring. For me, I’m playing both games simultaneously, and I find it so disingenuous – largely because they’re completely contrasting experiences, each with their own sets of strengths and weaknesses.
The world-building has been exquisite in the opening hours of Elden Ring, for example: subtle and understated, told through sheer artistry, as you’d expect from FromSoftware. Horizon Forbidden West takes a different tact – it embeds you in its world with a wide-range of characters, all of whom have contrasting personalities and opinions on the events occurring around them. That’s not to discredit Guerrilla’s art direction, of course – the Forbidden West is stunning – but it’s a different approach to story-telling.
In fact these two titles couldn’t be more different if they tried: I’d argue the comparisons are even worse than the aforementioned Breath of the Wild ones, which were already strained to begin with. Both games have statistics and levels, but Horizon Forbidden West’s combat is more about elements and strategy while Elden Ring leans into observation and overcoming impossible odds. Both are brilliant in their own way, but ultimately different experiences.
The same is true of the actual sandboxes – at least, from what I’ve seen so far. Elden Ring feels like an enormous playground, designed to house little linear offshoots that stick more closely to the traditional Dark Souls blueprint. Horizon Forbidden West, on the other hand, is a more traditional open world: a dense and varied collection of biomes, each packed with activities to cross off. While some may be tiring of this format, Guerrilla keeps the quality of all its side-content consistently high.
I know I’m feeding into the narrative a little bit by publishing this article to begin with, but it feels unfair for these two juxtaposed adventures to be pitted against each other so unnecessarily. In my opinion, both are excellent games, and while it’s totally fine if you appreciate one more than the other, there’s really no reason for either to be undermined. Increasingly bizarre to me is that there’s not even any underlying console war rhetoric here: both games can be played on the PS5 and PS4.
I suppose I’ve lived long enough to understand that this is all human nature: video game enthusiasts have always struggled to appreciate one thing without inadvertently – and, if we’re being honest with ourselves, advertently – bringing down another. But you know what: I love Horizon Forbidden West; I love Elden Ring. After a slower than expected holiday, it’s been a great month for PS5 – and there’s still Gran Turismo 7 to come. Not everything has to come at the expense of something else.
As the old meme so eloquently asks: why not both?
We like both games here at Push Square, so you can check out our Horizon Forbidden West guide and Elden Ring guide respectively through the links. Are you tired of these two titles being unfairly compared? Make the same old tired joke for Twitter clout in the comments section below.
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Yeah I have both and both are good. They have their strengths and weaknesses. It’s almost as if they’re different games. I really really hate the community sometimes.
For me HFW is way better then ER but they are vastly different games in everyway except that they have large maps to explore. ER is more or less what I expected it to be, I am also not a fan of Demon soul like games but I am enjoying this one.
I'm playing both and enjoying both. Horizon is definitely more my cup of tea both for its more conventional storytelling but also I prefer more fast paced and responsive combat.
But as I learned from the BotW comparisons 5 years ago I just let people enjoy what they enjoy. I didn't like BotW at all and still stand by the point that Horizon is a better game in every aspect. But obviously that's a minority opinion.
Even though in only 20 hours into HFW I can't wait for the third game to release Feb 2027 a week prior to Half Life 3, Elder Scrolls VI, or GTA VI.
So long as you've got the funds for both, and you want both, then - massive stab in the dark - I see no problem in enjoying both 🙂
I only skimmed through the article but are people really saying you cannot enjoy both titles? Jeez, they’re both fantastic games just play whichever titles interest you, have fun, and let others do the same.
Will read through the entire sometime article after work.
EDIT: Ignore my comment lol, get2sammyb filled me in
I'll grab Elden Ring once I'm finished HFW but that could be a while away. Loving every second of HFW.
Deeply insightful counterpoint: who cares about either when Atelier Sophie 2 is out?
For some reason it’s the gamers who make this kind of stuff a thing. For instance, XBOX and PS will compliment each other on their showings at E3 but the fans of each side will get online and get into wars about which is better. It’s extremely ridiculous!
I think this would be different if one of them wasn't a PS exclusive. Some people are determined to bash anything Sony for one reason or another but ultimately they will use whatever ammo they can. In this case they have picked ER to be that ammo even though it's a different game and a lot of those people won't likely even play it because of the difficulty.
I've been playing HFW for over 50 hours so far and while it's not perfect it is still brilliant and has moved things on from Zero Dawn. I'm expecting I'll find the same with ER with it having moved things on from the other souls games and be brilliant in its own way.
@DeathByLasagna well yeah, people are finding particular reasons to dislike one and love the other.
@DeathByLasagna They're not saying that, but there seems to be this underlying resentment that the one exists at the same time as the other.
The exact same thing happened with Breath of the Wild.
@BeerIsAwesome clearly. 🤷🏾♂️
Owning the system that gives me access to both... Is a good thing in my book
It is a great "problem" to have 1 year into my PS5.
@BeerIsAwesome Eh? That's not what the article is saying at all. The point is they're both excellent games, and while it's totally fine for one to appeal to the personal tastes of someone more than the other, we should be able to appreciate both games without bringing down the other.
I haven't played Horizon FW, but I've been playing games long enough to know what to expect from it. I mean, I have played Zero Dawn - you're not telling me the loop is any different.
And honestly, that's fine, but I just don't personally (generally!) like these sort of open world games. Although I will say I got along with ZD allot more than AC: Origins, which I despised. So I don't consider these sort of formulaic open-world RPG's all exactly the same, and I would certainly like to play FW at some point. The robot combat is really fun and the graphics are stunning. That's just it for me though, they are generally just too formulaic and safe!
If you're not going to go full BOTW with your game, my preference is semi-open environments. Evil Within 2 is a great example of that I think.
I've been enjoying both, and find it hard to say one is better than the other. I love the sense of discovery in Elden Ring, it feels earned and mystical, but I love the combat and pacing of Forbidden West, where I can make substantial progress and feel like a hunter without needing to level grind. It comes down to mood and play style and they are both different and enjoy different pacing. I'll blaze through FW faster than ER, just by sheer ability to feel guided and successful the first go around, but I'll feel more accomplished by the time I finish ER for the challenges overcome.
People enjoy using one or the other to bring it down just because both games released close to each other. If Forbidden West released a few months ago everyone would use it in comparisons to Pokemon Legends.
Both Elden Ring and FW are fun, open world games.
I like hz's open world better.
More color and the traversal is less clunky.
Your avatar in elden ring is so wooden.
I like elden ring cause it is more of a challenge.
So in other words, both have strengths and weaknesses.
But what a couple of months for a ps gamer.
Gt7 around the corner as well. Ridiculous.
Thank you for this! We have two incredibly different games here. Both achieve great things in what they set out to do. Not everything needs to be a pissing match.
People who make themselves not enjoy games to play a Publisher's defender role can go to the psychiatrist.
I used to think Souls games were only fun because of the difficulty and nothing else. Boy was I wrong. Didn't like anime like games but Persona 5 changed my mind and so on.
Agreed, I am just jealous you are able to play both at the same time. I will play GT7 alongside HFW but to add another third person open world into the mix would break my little brain! This is the reason ER is on hold until I finish HFW, can't wait to get stuck in though
@sonicmeerkat Barrel!
Why not enjoy both? Well I would but only one game offers decent accessibility to difficulty. Horizon Forbidden West has 5 difficulty levels for all gamers whilst elden ring is just catered to a select few
I never knew we were not supposed to..
@get2sammyb Gotcha, thanks for the update. I probably should’ve waited until later today to post my comment once I read the entire article lol.
You MUST pick a side and fight to the death.
NO WIMPY WAFFLING.
I think it's because in terms of reviews, HFW was being reviewed by some people that clearly didn't like the first game or hadn't even played it.
Elden Ring seems to have been reviewed by people that are already Soulsborne fans and to the extent where major technical flaws have been overlooked, in favour of basically hailing it at the GOAT. To Soulsborne veterans it may well be but to the majority of other gamers out there that just want to have fun with their games, you probably couldn't pay them to play it despite the OTT media response.
I watched a playthrough of ER, it's the same as the others. Which is fine by the way. HFW is criticised for not being radically different from it's predecessor but why should it be and is this fair?
I guess it comes down to whether both games are being reviewed in the same way and to me, they're not.
Also, jus like BotW I think ER is an open world game that appeals to those that don't like open world games. They're then hailed as being as the best example of this genre but compared to the likes of RDR2 and The Witcher 3 they're really not.
It's good that we all have a choice and for PS gamers in particular, we have a lot of options on what to play and that can only be a good things.
You can most definitely like both but whereas Horizon fans are that, fans, many Soulsborne acolytes act almost like a Cult when it comes to this genre to the extent where they think there is more meaning/achievement in finishing one of these games than others. There isn't.
@UltimateOtaku91 And that's a fine and justified opinion to have. Unlike some of the nonsense I've seen spewed online.
Why do gamers hate one product when it even slightly competes with the product that they like?
Simple. This is for the same reason gamers hate minorities, and women in games. They are insecure and fragile. And any slight challenge is a massive challenge to their being and sense of self.
Always thought that enjoying games is something about you and the games.
I prefer HFW, because all the Souls are not my type of things. But I could hardly imagine myself writing throughout the internet that Elden Ring is bad and giving it 0/10 everywhere.
Modern gaming society is too toxic
We needed a soapboax for this? LOL
People can play and enjoy what they want. SHOCKING!
@UltimateOtaku91 I fully agree with your point. I probably wont play ER solely for the reason you mentioned
Such first world problems gamers have to deal with these days. Both HFW and ER are completely different from one another in many aspects. If you like both, play both. Crazier things are happening in the world for anyone to be complaining about two high quality games and which one overtakes the other. Just enjoy the hobby and play what makes YOU happy at the end of the day…
This is why I stay away from my Twitter account most of the time now. It's full of idiots that have nothing better to do than to annoy others.
I've been playing both, the only annoyance I've had is crouch in HFW is the square button, but in Elden Ring, square is 'Use item'.
So I keep finding myself in Elden Ring trying to crouch in the bushes to stealth up on someone and accidentally chug (at least) one of my precious 'not estus' flasks.
If I could be bothered I'd swap all the controls around, but I think I'll just stick to swearing occasionally instead.
I saw this discourse coming a mile away when I first saw Elden Ring get delayed to a week after Horizon. It's a shame for sure. I haven't started it yet but I'm sure I'm going to enjoy Horizon when I finally get around to it. I enjoyed the original Horizon well enough. I'm just more drawn to Elden Ring right now is all. But if someone said they are more drawn to Horizon...well good for them I don't really care. It's an embarrassment of riches I tell you!
Idk it's also okay to dislike one over the other. And to express that opinion on the internets.
Err, no it's not. Pick one and fight. Don't be such babies.
Plying both, I’m more a souls gamer, but those visuals in HFW are so amazing, ER is more a last generation game but anyway a master piece
Finished HZ and currently 10 hours into ER - and ER is definitely more my thing. I thought HZ was dazzling, but for me it was still a little too hand-holdy, and I was not invested in the world or the characters that populated it.
Someone else summed it up brilliantly, that HZ still feels like a commute between quests, whereas ER feels like you're actually EXPLORING, and discovering; a feeling which I just don't get from other open-world games.
HZ comes close to greatness, and does a good job and bending the open-world handbook, but for me, ER just rips that book right up!
I liek Elden Ring more than FW, but Hoorizon it's not without merits. It's fine to enjoy both, and it's fine to enjoy one more than the other, whether it's for the more accesable approach of Horizon or the more challenging approach of Elden Ring. These kinss of arguments are especially annoying on Twitter, where you have some Horizon fans and Elden Ring fans (a.k.a. Souls fans) downplaying any game for not catering to their interests, and then bash anyone who don't agree with them.
@BeerIsAwesome can we please not try to start another fanboy war here? Both have their pros and cons, and it's fine for one to enjoy one of them more than the other.
@zupertramp Agreed but you don't need to express it in a way that sounds like a harsh insult that offers little insight on what's wrong with the game. Just as long you understand why others love the game, then it's fine to not enjoy it. Personally, I prefer Elden Ring more than Horizon FW (despite liking FW way more than ZD) and I do have some gripes here and there with the game but I'm not gonna start arguing with random people on the internet for liking the game I don't like. It's better to keep professional or else people won't take you seriously. Just look at Twitter and Youtube lol
Counterpoint: It's okay to like Horizon over Elden Ring, and vice versa. You don't have to enjoy both of them, you don't owe either of these games anything
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So a Red Dead Horizon Elden Ring Spyderman mash up coming right up..that should solve it all
the only thing thats the same is they are open world games , other then that they are different , and they are both great , no reason not to like either. if anything its a great time to be a gamer , because two great games have come out , we finally have something to play again.
Agreed on all points.
I stay away from noise factories like twitter so I didn't know this was an issue honestly.
I took two weeks off work to play both games and I'm having the time of my life.
Sure, both games are open world, but that's the end of any similarities. Both games compliment each other very nicely.
I play one, and I can't wait to get back to the other. I play the other, and I can't wait to get back to the first one.
Nice read, Sammy.
How dare you imply that two games on the same platform can be enjoyed by people?
Who are you? Some kind of rational human being?
I never could get into Forza Horizon Dawn so I’m passing on sequel. But that doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate that they’re great games. They just aren’t for me.
I’m having a blast with Elden Ring and constantly amazed by the different parts of the world and brilliant enemy and boss designs. It may be hard but this is more up my alley. May even be my GOAT.
But I certainly wouldn’t bash HFW. They really are different games and I appreciate what the devs have done with both even if I prefer one over the other.
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Absolutely not! This is the internet, where binary opinions are paramount; you must be 100% devoted to a side and be prepared to die on the hill fighting and disowning any friends or family that show any hint of nuance or complexity in their thoughts and feelings.
Im playing Sekiro and Horizon alongside each other completely different experiences but it would be boring if every game was the same right
As hot takes go, this is pretty lukewarm
Of course it's ok to enjoy both (I will, and many other commenters on other posts clearly are too). But no one has time to play both, this shortly after both have released (I mean, some people do but they're clearly madmen). I suspect if HFW was the £50 title and Elden Ring was the £70 one (£60 for the people happy with the blue case- honestly, have they no shame?) many more of us might have dived into HFW first instead of prioritising Elden Ring
I was waiting to complete some games in my queue before buying Horizon Forbidden West; but then caved and bought Elden Ring - I am just a sucker for FromSoftware titles, I guess.
Give me time, Aloy, give me time. You will be my March game purchase, I promise.
Love new horizon, as for elden ring being my first souls like game its been interesting; although not nearly as hard as i thought it would be , especially since can get extra help with multiplayer 😀
Horizon, BotW, and Elden Ring are all pretty wildly different games with their own sets of strengths and weaknesses, but I guess that sort of thinking doesn't feed into fanboy wars.
Still not far enough into Elden Ring to have an honest opinion of it, but I’m a third of the way into HFW. I like HFW, even if I’m not as amazed by it as many people seem to be, but honestly Elden Ring is a more unique title, so I can see how this happened. I don’t see either game being my GotY at this point, based on what I’ve played, but who knows what the future holds? I know I’m going to play HFW first, and Elden Ring may need to wait a while for me to actually give it a full shot, as I’ve got four preorders in March that take more precedence.
That said, if BotW2 comes out this year and it manages to do the impossible and top the first game, no contest, that game would have my preference, but it’s only a contest for myself personally, and it’s great to have different opinions. Also, that said, what a remarkable year we have to struggle with deciding the best open world title. It’s not a common problem, honestly.
I'm a huge fan of FromSoft and have played almost all their games (just haven't played Demon's Souls), and I've been one of the "hollows" in r/EldenRing for the past two years.
At the same time, I fell in love with Horizon back in 2015 when they first showed it. It's like a heaven for me, giant killer robots pitted against primitive tribes, are you kidding me?
Consequently, I will play both these games and I know will enjoy both. I've been too invested in Forbidden West to move onto Elden Ring for the past week, but I'll get to Elden Ring very soon as well. Online debates about which game is better and which one does what better don't interest me.
My only problem with all of this is that, I saw a lot of harsh and negative feedback toward HFW because of its performance issues (that seem to be fixable as Guerrilla Games is releasing new patches) and yet no one is talking about how horrible Elden Ring runs on PS4. I saw my friend playing it and I can only say, while it is beautiful and doesn't bother me personally (like how HFW didn't) I'm kinda tired of the double standards where PlayStation exclusives always get slammed while horribly performing multi-plat games from Bethesda and Fromsoftware get the "well it's their signature" treatment.
I’m playing neither and that’s okay.
Some people seem to support games like EPL teams. I'm juggling both games and enjoying tremendously. This is arguably one of the best months ever in gaming.
"A lot of this chatter is, of course, intended to be taken tongue-in-cheek, but there’s venom to some of the hot takes that’s increasingly rubbing me the wrong way."
Sorry, I stopped reading here. I know it's a soapbox and all opinions, but don't be sensitive. Do you game for your entertainment or the opinions of others?
So weird that so many people have to get tribal about everything.
Some of the rhetoric in here about Sony games getting a bad rap is absolute flaming nonsense. They’re reviewed as well as anything else. Both Elden Ring and Horizon have clear technical issues and both games have had reviews mention them.
I'm rather tired of these games to be so favored. While PS3 era was overwhelmed by "corridor" games. PS4/PS5 era starts to be overwhelmed by "openworld sandboxes". I'm missing some "middle" games with semi-open but still on track with story (Darksiders, Dishonored, FF13, Castlevania (PS2), Assassins Creed 2,B,R, etc.)
I agree. Even if they are both open world games, that's about it for "common points" between them. They stick to very different formulas, so they appeal to different audiences. And from here, the disagreements start.
Some people can't stand anything that is different from what they like. Others have nothing better to do all day than start arguments online. Or review bomb on Metacritic games they didn't even play....
For myself, I choose to ignore all that and concentrate on playing the actual games - they provide much more fun in my limited free time.
I like them both, so I'll play them BOTH.
However, not at the same time, it seems...
'Cause I played Horizon for 1 week, then tried Elden Ring for 2 hours... for some reason I kept hitting that R3 button trying to tag enemies or to find items to loot around me.... Should I mention that I died a few times in a camp because the player doesn't get a warning upon detection by an enemy? So, due to my somewhat laxed attention, I got hit by an enemy I didn't see, got surrounded by many others and killed before I could say "Oh, sh..t! Dodge damn it, do..." ? Yeah... hello You're dead!, nice to see you again buddy... the last 10 minutes have been so long, I missed you!
Given the difference in combat approach and gameplay in general, I'm gonna finish Horizon first, then delve into Elden Ring.
Anyway.... There's one last thing I want to say, and perhaps the most important: Congrats and Thank You! to both Guerrilla Games and From Software for creating and releasing such good entertainment for us to enjoy!
I'm in the minority but I'm not really interested in Horizon or Elden Ring. Cool for the people that really liked them but they don't do anything that haven't been done before. At least that's what I get from reviews and videos.
I love them both and they're gonna keep me occupied for a long time to come. I can easily ignore the constant PS store sale temptations with these 2 huge games. Just found a beautiful helmet in ER and these are the little things - just like ES & Fallout - that makes you wanna keep exploring. Trying to find the necessary parts to purchase those unique beautiful outfits in HFW too. I say these are two excellent games that came together and are gonna compliment each other.
I would argue that it's entirely fair that Horizon gets called out on for its technical issues where Elden Ring gets off lighter. At the end of the day Horizon has established itself as a franchise that's known for it's graphical prowess, so it's only reasonable that people become quite nit picky in this area. The same response is understandable for Cyberpunk if you see how it was marketed and where peoples expectations were.
However, FromSoftware games traditionally excel in other areas, and if it dropped the ball in places where it would be expected not to, I would imagine this would be reflected in the review scores. It was never marketed as or expected to be a technical powerhouse of a game.
That's really the nuance.
I haven’t played Elden Ring, but I do remember the huge debate of Zero Dawn versus BOTW.
I played Zero Dawn first. Got it shortly after it released. I didn’t play BOTW until early 2020.
Of those two, I would say I vastly prefer the story and characters of Horizon. And it was a visually stunning game; I played the Frozen Wilds back in December and the game still holds up.
What makes BOTW my favorite open world game of all time, though, is the immense amount of real freedom the game gives you. It recaptures the magic of the original Legend of Zelda so well.
The freedom to go anywhere at anytime. The game doesn’t hold your hand at all. You go out and explore. Most of the fun of BOTW was going out and exploring and finding off the wall secrets.
But as a consequence of all that freedom (that I don’t think any game has recaptured since BOTW’s release) it’s narrative was very weak. It poorly justified your reason for being in the amazing world Nintendo crafted.
I love both. Forbidden West is a huge upgrade over Zero Dawn and I’m adoring it. But I don’t think it’s better, as an open world game, as BOTW. BOTW is still the GOAT for open world gameplay for me on a personal level. But Forbidden West, as an overall experience, is the better game to me.
Honestly if Forbidden West had simply adopted the traversal system of BOTW, I’d say it’s the best game I’ve played since the 360 and PS3 released. There’s still some classic 16 bit titles (like Chrono Trigger and Yoshi’s Island) that will never get dethroned for me.
Indeed, but nobody said i had to purchase and enjoy them at the same time.
I have both, and both are great.
However, I keep stopping due to an urge to play Lost Ark... which even I feel is kinda weird.
@Lup I was never a big dark souls fan, but Demon Souls was exceptionally pretty.
But.. Elden Ring is unlike others, no matter what the videos make you think.
@TheRedComet if you enjoy true freedom, meaningful exploration and a real sense of discovery with minimal hand holding…boy, you’re in for a treat if/when you get around to Elden Ring!
What also doesn't help is reviewers of Elden Ring will let FromSoft off for obvious flaws from both technical and designs points of view but another game will be criticized for the same things because the developers don't have the same credit in the bank as FromSoft do.
There's s clear anti-Sony bias amongst many publications especially Eurogamer. They've had a problem with HZD for years and decided to double-down on this with it's sequel. Couldn't even recommend the game. Pathetic really.
RDR2 and The Witcher 3 are the two best open world games, nothing even comes close to these two behemoths.
Why on earth would I want to play with a Elders Ring for??? I just ignore gaming sites reviews & the Fanboys who just want everything PlayStation to die & play what I like the look of so for me that is H2FW I have been doing that since the PS1 days & have enjoyed every minute of my gaming time
@Col_McCafferty "But compared to the likes of RDR2 and Witcher 3 it's really not"
Could you not be a fanboy of RDR 2 when trying to write that comment? You're saying Elden Ring fans act like a cult meanwhile any one who says something negative about Red Dead you get upset, talk about irony.
Like some one said above I don't understand the hate...they say HFW hasn't changed much since from the first game, eh since when did dark souls change(except bloodborne) or the last 3 AC games.
I'm currently playing both, and the are amazing so type of game but literal worlds apart, after a day or 2 of Elden ring though..horizon sure felt like a walk in the park, infinite roll dodge slow down time, auto health regen, yeah crazy 🤪
I get only wanting to play one at a time as I only wanted to get one at a time as GT7 is incoming so I waited for Elden ring and am very much enjoying it pushing me. When I’m finished with it I’ll definitely be picking up Forbidden West. Just so many good games dropping at once, it feels like a good years November, not February lol
Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the point when gaming sites need to remind gamers that it's actually ok to enjoy various games... Who would have thought it possible? 🙄
I meeaannn... You can compare any two games with each other. I can say Ape Out offers more harmony between character design and level design than Horizon, and it would be fair to say. It's a disservice to not follow up that claim by explaining the many advantages Ape Out has as a linear game to reach that harmony. But it's a fair statement, all the same.
Similar to BotW and H:ZD, although there are many differences between the two, there's ample comparisons to make. Zelda's innovative approach to open world design compared to Horizon's, for instance, is worth talking about. Or, as you alluded to, Zelda's poor story-telling comparatively; Zelda's narrative suffering severely from the same open world that makes it such a strong game.
These are the kind of things that make discussion on game design interesting. Now, does one have having better gameplay, narrative, visuals,etc. completely invalidate any other efforts generally seen as the 'lesser'? Of course not. But there's nothing wrong with the comparison itself.
You can just enjoy both games, the only thing that's similar is the fact they are both open world, I've been playing both of these games whilst they are really good I do feel that both are very overrated maybe because people were hyping them up so much but that's my personal opinion anyway, on a different note anyone having issues summoning on Elden Ring?
I bought none of these games and I'm proud of it. I still enjoy the Uncharted Collection for PS5 and I'm not even done with Uncharted 4. The older I get, I'll make a bow around these huge open world games. I guess Elden Ring is the better game here, but I have no interest. These games afford time, which I don't have.
@Conor_Mcleod these games are often not as good as people are hoping for. How can they make a game enjoyable for 100 hours? It's so often, that people loose interest after some hours.
I'll let you know what I think when I get round to both, maybe early next year. It's funny though because release dates might dominate the conversation, but as far as I'm concerned these games are of the time when I play them, and I will only play one at a time.
@Col_McCafferty Patronage of Eurogamer has been low recently compared to the past, they've been pretty shameful. Only thing people go there for is Digital Foundry. I don't take their contrarian attention seeking reviews seriously, they're the type to ignore all the sweat and toil put in an AAA game and give GOTY to Tetris Effect. On the contrary I think most sites have been fair to Sony, giving their games high scores, it's just a few with an agenda like Washington Post.
I'm enjoying Horizon so much that I've decided not to install Elden Ring until I get the Horizon plat - even though I preordered. And when I do install Elden Ring, I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy that too.
@Col_McCafferty What is wrong with targeting a specific audience? And an increasingly growing audience I might add. These games are only getting bigger and bigger. Like it or not but there are a significant group of people that enjoy this type of genre, and they don't want to risk losing what makes it special by watering it down. And that's not an unreasonable take to have. Not every game has to be catered to everyone. That's the beauty of this medium. If you find there's one cup of tea that isn't particularly for you there's likely a dozen others that are
@TheRedComet the best comment posted here today
@Col_McCafferty Skyrim and Breath Of The Wild say hello
Honestly, the main difference here is that unlike with BOTW, PlayStation has access to both games being compared. The console war aspect has been effectively nullified.
So buy both games and be happy already!
@Col_McCafferty Elden Ring changes things up more than Horizon does to be fair.
Also, I disagree about the dislike open world games thing. Elden is an amazing open world because the world itself is engaging. It invites exploration and playing it as an open-world. What will I find in the world is a question I constantly want answered.
RDR2 does the same thing, but an open world game, Witcher 3 is not a good open-world game. It in no way does an open world better. Witcher 3 is a 10/10 game I'll add, but its open world is just a backdrop for well-written quests. Sure, Gwent is a good side activity and on occasion revisiting somewhere lets you see something cool, but overall the open-world itself is dull and boring if you're not on a quest. It doesn't need the open world to be good, and frankly didn't need incessant pointless question marks either. It's an amazing game, but the open-world is not one of the reasons - its just a plain backdrop for what makes it great.
Also, on the difficulty, it's not just for those who have played other Souls games, it's for anyone who can take a challenge. It's not about boasting, it's about the fundamental game design, now more than ever. Parts of the world are dangerous and you will find dangerous things. This is crucial to the exploration because you find yourself in too deep at times. It makes running away a viable option. It also makes crafting needed. You craft so you have the resources to survive, tanking it without them is difficult.
The game is also fully online, which means a level-playing field is needed to make the world so interconnected between different players, and to encourage them to seek help.
In comparing the two games, we can also look out at what they set to do. They both do their gameplay well, but most Elden Ring fans would say the story/lore in it is better done than a Horizon fan would. Yes, they are very different games, but I would argue Elden Ring likely excels at its ambitions more than Horizon does.
Also, Sony's games are often critically applauded. If anything, they suffer from being expected to be as good as God of War. I don't think Sony bias has anything to do with it.
And it’s ok to enjoy either with no need to play both. I don’t know why some fans of one or the other are trying to bash the other game for no reason. It’s really bizarre.
@kyleforrester87 That's a great point. Setting expectations is part of telling the audience what the developer seeks most to accomplish.
I'll mention that it weird going from the Demon's Souls remake to Elden Ring, but I know it wouldn't be fair at all to From if I held them to those expectations. I will say I think from needs to make use of the dualsense like Demon's Souls does and that's a reasonable expectation to have. It needs an update for that badly. That was just ignoring an opportunity on a silver platter I'm sure Sony would have worked on them with.
I do not think it is the case at all. One is multiplatform and one is not. So fanboys will will bash Horizons from one side and praise it on the other. One game is multiplatform so it gets more hype from both sides.
@RubyCarbuncle I actually deleted Twitter off my phone because the Elden Ring discourse was driving me insane.
Walmart has Elden Ring for $49 and Horizon for $59.
I bought Elden and it's the first Souls game that really feels super accessible.
Pro version runs at 1800p/30 with HDR and looks basically phenomenal. Base PS4 looks decent enough and still has a good frame rate at a lower resolution.
Only things holding you back should be preference and budget. SIFU + HFW + ER + GT7= 360$, ouch.
By the looks of it, seems like we have the luxury of having two incredible games available to play in February.
@Nintendo4Sonic I just think that most people gave these game's the ratings they did because of hype, don't get me wrong I play both and think they are good but nothing ground breaking or anything that they're being made to be but again that's just my opinion on it
A similar thing happened with Red Dead II and God of War in 2018. Daft, really.
@Jaz007 Definitely gotta say I'm not sure if I've had a moment in Witcher 3 where I'm thinking, "I've got to explore that place to see what its all about" and even when its something to explore it's never a cool moment, all it is is just a lot of loot and enemies. All the interesting and cool moments happen in the main and side quests.
Can I mention how much I dislike all the gaming sites using Aloy's wacky expressions from Photo Mode for screenshots? If you don't know the game, it just makes it seem like this wacky romp.
Can you imagine Elden Ring article screenshots with bosses making cute kissy faces?
I brought both games. My first play is with HFW currently 27+hrs into the game and feel like I barley scratch the surface. By the time I’m done with HFW I’ll switch over to ER hopefully by then they got ray tracing and fix the frame rate.
Got them both and love them both though i'm waiting for the visuals to be fixed before i play more of HFW.
@mrraditch Oh my God same. I kept getting these really annoying Twitter notifications on my Phone from some people I follow and all they were doing were fanboying over one game and hating the other, it was so annoying.
To my thinking its the same comparison as Sekiro vs Ghost of Tsushima.
Many more people played and liked Ghost, but for those who got into Sekiro and overcame its challenge, it was something truly special.
Kinda like the contrast between popcorn and arthouse cinema. Less mass appeal, but more meaningful to fewer people. Both have their place in the culture.
I loved horizon zero dawn, found out about souls games, played all of them during the pandemic. Now Elden ring has completely ruin all open world games for me, the formulaic check list is old n boring to me.
Sometimes i play 4 games at once .so many games to play.and both horizon forbidden west and elden ring is amazing.word up son
This is honestly the first I've heard of this non-issue.
My advice would be: stay off Twitter, aka the cesspool of humanity.
Both games are amazing. It is not fair to compare these games as if they were developed with the same objectives because they were clearly quite different. I recall when HZD lauched and a few weeks later the zelda BOTW was released and obscured one of the best game of the previous generation. For me, HZD is better than botw and is still relevant today, but I also enjoyed both at that time in 2017.
Part of the problem is Elden Ring getting so many 10s that it makes journalists look like jokes, but they did the exact same thing with Cyberpunk. Granted, ER is not the mess CP was, but from my experience so far with HFW and ER, is that HFW is a 9 and ER is a 7.
HFW improved upon HZD while ER doesn’t feel like that much of an advancement to me in all regard.
I’m sick and tired of the back and forth fanboy bs to be honest. Like what you like and play what you wanna play. Art is subjective, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. I’m level 20 in HFW and I’m having a blast just like I did with HZD. I bought Elden Ring which I will play once I’m done with Aloy’s adventures. I’m not gonna rip on someone cause they like something I don’t. 1st world problems people. Our lives are so easy that we have to create drama to make our mundane existence more palatable. Just jaded people the lot of ‘em.
I'll never understand why some people think you have to choose 1 favorite and trash on the other game, makes no sense to me.
@OmegaStriver Cyberpunk got a lot of bad reviews, what do you mean? Elden Ring absolutely a 10. It's masterfully crafted. How does this make journalists like a joke?
@ShinzoShinzo don't forget time lol. Having time to play both at the same time might be tourblesome.
Went for option C) Shelved Horizon FW and Elden Ring to the backlog in favour of cyberpunk 2077 and I'm having a blast.
Sadly there are far too many fanboys online who either want to massively hype up their platform of choice or bash another. So we end up with Horizon vs Zelda or Horizon vs Elden Ring and I still see bits of Horizon vs Halo Infinite weirdly. I wish people were just able to enjoy playing their games without these constant and nonsense comparisons
I don't like either is that ok?
Well to be honest I've not played either, I didn't like HZD, found it boring as sin, I've never got along with soulsborne games and reviews have done nothing to convince me that the newest iterations would be any different. So I've not bought either of them.
But yeah, why can't people just like what they like and get on with enjoying their games?
I could enjoy both but I just don't like to play "die until you get it right" sorts of games, hence my distaste for Souls games. I've been thinking I might take another stab at them someday but if I do I'm definitely going to go for the OP builds and weapons so I can cheese my way through. Why got gud when you can git smart?
I think everyone needs to remember that gaming twitter is a small contingent of people, who are passionate and actually a little hardcore - getting through huge open world games in a week and moving on. A normal player like myself is like 10 hours into Horizon and loving it.
I call them Splitters, if they like something they hate the other and vice versa, it’s always black and white to them. and they glorify what they like and disdain what they don’t like.
I'm also playing both games simultaneously, and so far it's been an enjoyable journey. Elden Ring is mostly exploration, learning, and the gameplay itself. On the other hand, Forbidden West is like a TV Serie, where I'm very curious and engaged to see what's going to happen to the story and to all the characters.
I've bought both and I'd urge anyone into good AAA open world titles to do the same.
I'm thoroughly enjoying HFW and I'm likely to have another 100+ hours before I finish it, if not more (I'm never in a rush), so I'm happy to wait till I play Elden Ring.
Maybe there will be some patches to improve its performance by the time I dive in. I'm not a huge souls fan, but the world design and atmosphere have me entranced and I'm sure I'll enjoy it.
Still, I've a lot of work to guide Aloy through in the West first!
Another example of the toxic gaming community
I got well into Horizon 2 and have dipped my toe into Elden Ring. But I've decided to wait till I'm done playing with Robo-Dinosaurs and then enjoy ER. Playing both simultaneously would be like reading LotR and 'War and Peace' at the same time. Both are classics that deserve my undivided attention. Don't get so caught up in the fomo that you lessen your own enjoyment.
No offense to horizon but on top of the other 2 I've GT5 and Ghostwire incoming. Advertising campaign became intrusive as well but I'll tell you this, it'll be the greatest bucketlist title I picked up for dirt cheap else justified a + subscription
No we must decide which of our children we kill to appease the gaming gods
I find this article slightly ironic considering a majority of the “I can’t play one because the other exists” comments I’ve seen have been on this site. Feels like every Elden Ring article was filled with plenty of commenters saying they had no interest in it because HFW just came out.
@Jaz007 Absolutely. Best strategy for February-March would have been a month-long vacation! At least those games aren't disappearing anytime soon.
@lolwhatno haha, will be sure to let you know if I finally stop playing HFW and get Elden Ring 😂
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My only gripe at the moment is these games of which I would include pokemon and the ps5 version of cyberpunk as well as GT, Horizon and elden ring are essentially a Xmas line up without the benafit of any holiday time to play them.
@Pixelated really if you think Horizon is woke then your just being silly and missing a fantastic series.
Social media’s unquenchable thirst for the “hot take” tends to lead people to some very, VERY lazy logic.
I've got zero interest in Elden Ring. I don't like any of the Dark Souls games, or FromSoftware's games (except Tenchu back in the day) so it's an easy £50 saved for me.
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I am more than happy to watch my mate play Elden Ring, however. It's just not for me.
It’s okay to enjoy Elden Ring and Horizon Forbidden West, but it’s better to just enjoy Elden Ring 😉
@BeerIsAwesome If a collection of sweaty people saying something wasn't good enough made it so, life would be very very different.
As many down months as I've seen, they do seem to pick the worst months to release these games but honestly, I might be in a very slim minority here, but I played Elden Ring for a bout an hour and it hasn't hooked me yet. Is there a point where that happens, or are most of you getting hooked from the start? I know Pokemon Arceus had me questioning why I was playing it for about a couple of hours and then I couldn't put the controller down. I'm one of the few fan bois of all the consoles and PCs. It's the software that matters to me.
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@BeerIsAwesome @BeerIsAwesome so it has to be the best game out or it isn’t good enough? Almost no other game could release within the same week as elden ring and stand a chance. It is definitely good enough just has stiff competition and still probably sold great
It's fine to enjoy either, both, or neither.
What grinds my gears is publishing reviews written by people who clearly didn't even want to play the game. It happened with Zero Dawn and it's happening with Forbidden West.
Not even saying this as a Horizon fanboy. I got Zero Dawn day one and liked it but I'm waiting for a sale for Forbidden West.
Thanks for giving people permission to enjoy two video games. These articles get more cringey by the day. If you bought both, have fun with it.
@Jayslow You mean you don't like your weapon breaking every 5 minutes and running around a huge empty world in BOTW?
@SolarSailor lol seriously. I gave it a solid 15-20 hours at launch (well when I got a switch a few months later). About a year later I started new and gave it slightly less. My last attempt last year the very first enemy I fought my weapon broke before it even died. I just sighed and turned it off.
@Needjamesd sorry, but it IS woke! there's an agenda, not my fault millennials and gen-z cant see it. also not my fault people get upset when someone has a differing opinion, which im entitled to according to the 1st amendment. it's "silly" to say otherwise. "i dont like your opinion, therefore, it's silly!" that's orwellian.
@MattBoothDev i will say, their games arent for everyone, the high difficulty curve is harsh for many. even me. but elden ring was my last try for their games, and its not bad. big, open world with lots of room to dodge and roll away from enemies. enemies and materials respawn so readily in the game world that collecting 'runes' or whatever are easy enough (but grindy) to obtain that u can level pretty fast and take down enemies way quicker. its a 'softer' experience for me, than say, bloodborne or demons souls remaster. if u ever do get interested to try it, wait for a sale for sure.
@Pixelated I doubt you have read any Orwell especially as it's far more left wing and woke than Horizon lol
@Jayslow tbf breath of the wild had a already established fanbase and horizon was a new ip so I can see how so many people think it's better but I think horizon forbidden west being better in every aspect can now be debated.
@Pixelated nah, I'll just grab GT7.
Also, Horizon isn't "woke". How old are you? I'm 30 goddamn 5. I'm too old for that rubbish.
Try disconnecting from the political media a bit. I quit Facebook and Twitter in 2018. Did wonders for my mental health.
Who said its not.
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