A week after a ransomware group alleged to have infiltrated Sony first-party Insomniac Games, leaked documents are allegedly beginning to emerge online. This follows on from apparent footage and concept art of the upcoming Marvel’s Wolverine, which is still in development for PS5. The documents appear to outline the developer’s plans for the next decade and beyond.
According to CyberDaily, the leak amounts to 1.67 terabytes of data, spanning over 1.3 million files. It’s claimed that 98 per cent of the data has been leaked so far, suggesting the remaining two per cent may have been sold. It should be noted that among the data is personal information, including purported employee passport scans, internal emails, and confidential information, such as licensing contracts.
Much like with the Marvel’s Wolverine leak, considering the sensitive nature of the information here, and the seemingly illegal means of its acquisition, we won’t be sharing any of the details on Push Square. We’ll continue to monitor the situation, however, and anticipate a comment from both Sony and the developer later in the day.
[source cyberdaily.au]
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Thank you for not sharing any details from the leaks.
The leaks were insane. Specially the financial side of it.
You see why Sony is pushing the live service/remasters.
@CieloAzure What? Like people weren't alredy smart enough to figure that they're paying big money to Marvel for licensing.
I hope Insomniac's IT department will take the security a bit more serious.
@Sil_Am
That's oversimplification of it. There's really some cool knowledge in there on how much marketing and research was spent on. Also porting games cost, developing cost, and marketing cost.
I majored in business and minor in economics. So seeing it all was cool. Especially long memo about gamepass and how by Sony own prediction they have until 2027 to match the service.
Could careless about the footage and screenshots it was the business aspect that I really cared for.
Man, such a shame to see this happen to most companies, but especially Insomniac. Not only do they put out great content at a quick pace, they also supposedly have a fantastic infastructure that really takes care and respects their workers, having been voted and won best dev to work for numerous times.
@CharlieChooChoo I hope you are right dude but unfortunately I gave up on Karma a long time ago, good people don't always get what they deserve and it seems bad people get away with a lot! Doesn't stop me from trying to be a good person though as should we all
@ThorsHammer
Leaking their private information is huge ordeal for the employees. Especially in a holiday season. I hope Sony gets on the ball quick and help them process it sooner.
@CieloAzure I really hope they don't go all in on the Gamepass model, but they might need to do it. Microsoft is training the younger generations to only want this type of services and Sony will need to keep up.
MS is paying for whole lineup of Atlus and Sega games to be on GP Day 1, not to mention other new games.
Can Sony really afford that?
@Sil_Am
In order to be competitive they will have to for certain things.
Like they are already thinking ahead and planning to raise prices again. Not for another 6+ years. From what I read the AAA games will still have the quality that we are all used to. They're getting really expensive to make too. I mean things could change in the next 5yrs, but, Sony seems to be on the ball about their finances.
To answer your question, they won't put AAA games on PS+ day 1. They are putting effort on small expansion for the superhero games priced between $40-$50. Like 8-10hrs games.
I always find these reports don't help because a simple Reddit search and you can find everything, but I wouldn't be curious at all if I didn't even know about the attack. So would it not be better to not spread awareness of the hacks by simply not reporting at all?
Right before Christmas too. Ugh. Some people are just so heartless I tell ya. Sorry to hear this happened.
@Blofse yeah but you must have been interested to go searching for more info. Know I did, pretty interesting...
@Blofse Thats not really how news works, dont really get to pick and choose what to report, thats a slippery slope. This is a serious incident both from the perspective of the cyber terrorists and the security failure of insomniac
I hate this data piracy that is so rampant. It is truly game changing in the worst way. And the criminals doing it that are caught play dumb and plead autism.
My condolences to Insomniac.
Already ran over of all the leaks. Pretty interesting takes from Sony. Not a fan of all the info, and the dates look very distant. Diversity of games is what disappointed me.
@Sequel yeah, it is even worse state than GTA 6 leaks from 1.5 year ago.
@CieloAzure you seem to be enjoying all this leaked info and not once condemned it or the illegality of how it was come by. The personal information leaked by this scum is horrendous and will have real effects on al Insonmiacs employees but as long as you get to see all the private info you don’t care.
Have to laugh at the PX article, was it really necessary as it has nothing to do with xbox, and also calling Insonmiac a former xbox developer even though they were never under Microsoft at any point.
You guys shouldn't even report on there being leaks I didn't know about this until I seen the article.
@STOBO just curious why shouldn't they report on it? Just because you didn't know it happened doesn't mean many others don't any that it hasn't be shared about too much to be kept secret. Them posting this article won't suddenly make it go away.
That's a major leak with Insomniac Games being a Marvel games studio only for the next decade. It's like they are putting all of their eggs in one basket. I don't doubt the games will be quality but that is a long time to bet on Marvel games only.
Worse thing is they released the whole plot of Wolverine but you can avoid that by not reading it ofc
My main and only concern for this story is the impact on the individual employees potentially having their data leaked. I don’t know the specifics and won’t go looking for it, however I’d be worried if my passport, DOB, address etc were all leaked online. These hackers have no respect for those individuals and this should be a criminal investigation now.
I mean that's one way to get the first party exclusive roadmap that people keep badgering Sony for. But that is an extremely depressing roadmap for insomniac
The only thing that sucks and hopefully nothing bad comes from it is the employee info getting out. The rest was interesting to see
Ratchet flopped as I expected based on no sales updates.
@EfYI as someone with autism I get quite pissy when I see some ***** do this. They’re stupid too, autism would make it harder to carry out criminal activities so the plea is moot. If I stab someone, I should go to prison. Autism or not, I stabbed someone.
@Bamila after Spider-Man 2 and the delay of new game plus to feb or march, I pretty much just threw in the towel on these games. I enjoy them, but not at their current price. Heck that update is coming out with dragons dogma 2, p3r, potentially Elden Ring DLC. It’s DOA.
I’d personally only spend 60 CAD on a game like Spiderman 2 at this point, there are cheaper games that give better ROI.
@Judal27 that’s my biggest worry truthfully. Like yeah game leaks suck, yada yada. But I really hope the employees affected aren’t harassed, financially altered, etc. They deserve peace and quiet, say what you will about game quality or playtime, they’re human beings who put their heart and soul into making art. They don’t deserve this.
@STOBO
Just because you don't see something, doesn't it exist? This is the fault with the whole structure of society. The problem here is that the company in question has neglected security. The world is evil and greedy so companies need to think about security, in this case it becomes a painful lesson that others and they themselves can learn from. The fact that you don't publish info about the leak but everyone else does makes me choose the others in the future. There is a fine line between censorship and stupidity.
I am shocked though that you cowards dared to allow the comments this time?!
Darn... 2026 for wolverine will be a long wait... I honestly thought that would be Sony's big 2024 title... what will it be now? Death Stranding 2? Anyone expects that this year?
@Tielo considering that pretty much everyone gets hacked, I doubt they weren't taking it seriously.
Insomniac is probably one of the most inoffensive studios so I don't understand why they were targeted when there are more vile studios and entities out there (I wouldn't want those hacked either, well the studios anyway!).
That said is also pretty sad that Insomniac has practically become a subsidiary of Disney, I was hoping after Wolverine they would take a break from super heroes but it seems they are all in and it will become their calling card ☹️
VERY interesting to see what their sales projections were for spiderman 2 and beyond. The cost to make that is just absurd for what it is. They took a loss on Ratchet apparently as well.
Such an absolute shame that Insomniac has become nothing more than a marvel factory. This leak proves it's basically all they have planned for a decade aside from ratchet. The amount of money and resources they have committed to Marvel licenses is just disgusting.
lmao that roadmap. Insomniac is such a great studio, but my suspicions were correct: it's just ENDLESS Marvel stuff from now on.
This is why we can't have nice things!
This sucks for everyone involved. Hackers are horrible. Also thanks for not sharing details. I hope they catch these slime balls.
@CieloAzure That's the only bit I have looked at and saved. The peeking behind the curtain of the exclusivity deals and finances. I don't want to know about their roadmap or see in development footage etc.
@Ralizah
It’s unfortunate. I was hoping they’d do Wolverine, go back to Ratchet for a game, and then do a new IP.
Such a shame too. Insomniac is good at crafting original stories. For all the issues Resistance had at times one thing that can’t be denied is how strong the story of that series was.
@Juanalf R&C didn't sell, Spider-Man did. The markets spoke.
@AdamNovice
It’s still unfortunate though. Since this pretty much means Insomniac will never be allowed to do an original IP ever again.
@naruball I worked in IT for banks, courts, and many Gouvernement departments like police and non have been cracked and it's not that they got attacked daily. I tough, it's difficult but if personal information isn't even on an other platform than the game development you just didn't do a good job trying.
The financial leaks in particular were particularly eye opening.
@OrtadragoonX They will eventually, nothing lasts forever. But Marvel brings in the money right now.
@AdamNovice
Shows how shallow our society is honestly.
It ruined the film industry. It’ll do the same to games as well.
to be honest, it is a pretty standard lineup of games from insomniac. no real surprises there other than the fact insomniac has essentially become the new disney of the gaming space. i think it is a very sad trend for playstation studios to be playing it this safe. all that is left from sony as a whole is more sequels and gaas projects for the next 5-10 years. this stinks!
I'm guessing Sony didn't pay up? Good. This behaviour should not be incentivized. I hope they find these guys.
They're unironically promoting the game for free
@AdamNovice I'd argue that Marvel isn't - at least, not anymore. Much of Marvel IP films/shows aren't really setting the world on fire anymore like they were pre-Endgame.
Loki seems to be the only recent popular Marvel-based project.
Spider-Man as both games and film have done well.
Avengers flopped both critically and commercially.
Guardians of the Galaxy didn't meet expectations after the stink of Avengers (which is a darn shame because Guardians was an awesome Marvel game).
Midnight Suns was a commercial flop.
I hope that by the time Insomniac releases Wolverine, there will be some enthusiasm again. Honestly, I think that enthusiasm may be determined by Deadpool 3 being great or not. People maybe be thirty for more Wolverine after that.
@themightyant So you're happy the information hacked and got leaked
@GamingFan4Lyf you forgot to mention the disaster that was gotham knights and the disaster to be suicide squad. you are 100% correct that there is a downward trajectory as it relates to marvel ip and the superhero genre on the whole (including wb), mostly due to fatigue and lack of creativity.
@KundaliniRising333 agreed. and the royalties that marvel is owed for these releases is much higher than i expected as well.
9-18% of digital sales and 19-26% of physical sales go back to marvel, making profitability that much more difficult. i think people are starving for some new properties and ideas. there isn't much to look forward to it seems.
@pharos_haven Generally NO.
Information on games, early builds, project schedules, etc. I have no interest in and have tried to avoid. It's sad this is leaked.
But things like exclusivity agreements YES I am happy that is leaked because I wish things like this were in the public domain in the first place. I think consumers should be informed and it is in the public interest to know, for example, that no other new X-Men or Wolverine games can come to any other console or PC before 2035 due to this agreement between Sony and Marvel.
My hope is if this was more publicly available knowledge fewer people would want exclusives (as it happens the other way too e.g. Indiana Jones and maybe Blade), which in many ways I think are bad for gaming. But that is the future we are heading for right now, more and more segmentation, more and more platform exclusives.
@Gunnerzaurus what does it matter if pushsquare publishes any of the details? insomniac has a pretty lackluster release schedule ahead as does sony studios on the whole and nothing is going to change that.
@Porco Yah i too was shocked to see the royalties taken on top of the half a billion-dollar commitment. Did you see the % of console bundle sales? it's insane: 35-50% + the amount they skim from the game itself.
@Ralizah i think sony is going to lose a decent portion of its userbase to nintendo over the next 10 years if the projections are as bad as they appear to be.
@KundaliniRising333 i did see that and it is absolutely insane. i do wonder how many hardware sales have been attributed to spiderman to agree to such an agreement with marvel/disney. the superhero genre does not seem sustainable as fatigue has been kicking in for a while now.
@Porco - Well, with gaming budgets reaching unbelievable levels (Spider-Man 2 was close to 400 million), it's no surprise that we're seeing fewer and fewer new IPs as the risk of them not working out is much greater.
It will be very interesting to see how Sony will act in the next 10 years. Hulst has already said that creating new IPs is one of PS Studios' strengths, but I believe that any mistake could cost an entire studio (I believe that Bend, London and Media Molecule are on a knife's edge with their next games).
I'm also very curious to see how Sony will try to act with these crazy budgets. Maybe the alternative really is to bring the 8~15 hour games back, but that alone will bring up the discussion that: "No one should pay more than 30 bucks for a game that only lasts that long" despite these type of games probably cost more than full fledged PS3 and early PS4 games nowdays.
@Fuzzymonkeyfunk
Dang you jumped the gun. The thing about the leak is that you can avoid all that. It was literally organized so ppl didn't have to see that personal stuff.
You assume that I cared about ppl pribate info is quite leap. It's all right tho, you can have your hair triggered response. I only liked the business part of it. Everyone here can go see it on reddit. Ppl actually cared about it keeping the info away from public.
@themightyant
It was very interesting to see. It was quite the read to see that part of the business.
@ED_209 certainly i can see a day where your standard AAA release goes from 10-12 hours in length at $70usd to 5-6 hours in length at $50usd. in fact, if the leak comes to fruition, spiderman 3 may be broken up into 2 seperate releases, each at $50 a pop instead of one game at $70. this new business model may be more sustainable for sony going forward (and all publishers in the AAA space in general), unless they find other ways to cut costs and be more efficient with the development cycle.
new ip absolutely needs to be a focal point for sony going forward as many of us are expecing more than uninspired sequels, remakes and superhero games.
@Porco Yeah, I didn't include them since it those were DC properties (and I was addressing a comment specifically about Marvel), but, yes, it's also superhero fatigue in general.
@Gunnerzaurus agree with your first point. that said, maybe gaming publishers should be a little bit more transparent and communicate more with the fans going forward instead of taking the cold, stonewalled approach. i feel like some of the intent behind this leak was to spite sony for its way of doing business of late. also, gaging public insterest long in advance of implementing future plans could possibly make for better business decisions. s-e and other japanese publishers routinely make surveys for the fans which can sometimes result in a project being greenlit. it is up for debate whether or not turning insomniac games into what is essentially a marvel studio is going to work out for sony in the end. i believe new ip within the next couple years is of far greater importance and priority for the health of sony internal studios.
@CieloAzure I wouldn’t say I gave you a triggered response. I took issue with your apparent glee with the illegally obtained information and called it cool at least twice. I don’t like this quiet Sony and would love to know what’s happening with all the first party teams but not like this. I hope they catch them and they get what they deserve. I hope all insomniacs staff whose personal and financial information were leaked have had time to safeguard themselves and not be worried about scammers destroying their lives.
@Gunnerzaurus
Yeah, no kidding, it's literally a 1b dollar business. It's not about waking up and it's about always making budgets cuts and companies cutting back on cyber security.
I agree to the fact that this leak is going affect everyone and ppl at the bottom and layoffs are going to happen. Are you going condemn you favorite YT'ers for reporting on this too. It's out there, it's a done deal.
I will support this Wolverine game because that's the best I could do for a studio that will need all our community support.
The personal info is a tragic shame, because these ppl will have to change everything all of it even addresses. The families who will have relocate to new addresses. That to me is the real tragedy. It's also not my business to look at personal info. My bad long response.
excellent cyber security helping them out again 😂😂
It was interesting reading some of the Sony stuff about Microsoft buying ABK amongst other stuff though 🤷
@Pusher2021 I was gutted to see they were only marvel 🙄
I was hopeing for a new R&C or New IP.
Still live in hope for a sequel or something to sunset overdrive....
@Porco insomniac has a pretty lackluster release schedule ahead
So 5 AAA games planned in just 7 years is lacklustre? Please name me some single developers who can produce AAA games at that pace.
@themightyant And yet no mention of the employees personal information being leaked but go off.
@pharos_haven I haven't seen, not have I sought out employees information. What's your issue? Leak has nothing to do with me. Nor do I endorse it... "but go off"... I guess (whatever that means)
It's also worth noting here for all of those defending anything and everything Platform specific, that in the business side of this information Sony themselves admit that the foundational characteristics of its offerings are dated and behind the competition.
@CieloAzure Exactly. Just like the Microsoft leak it's always interesting to see behind the corporate facade. How they actually feel about issues rather than the PR spin they put out to the public. And in terms of finances and corporate negotiations that is all interesting stuff. In simple terms truth vs lies.
@themightyant
I agree with you. The unfiltered truth.
I frankly couldn't care less about it spoiling Sony's confidential information about unreleased products. They should know by now and take better care of that. What's is unacceptable is that the hackers got access to employee's personal information, and it got out. Your employer has the obligation to ensure your information stays safe at all times.... Deplorable that these hackers exist in our society, but just as equally bad that a company of Sony's caliber doesn't have the appropriate measures to protect sensitive personal data.
One of the leaks not mentioned above is a new R&C for 2029. Is this a sign of a PS6 that year? 🤔
Marvel series not surprised. But Ratchet costing too much even for how scripted it was, the PIXAR like expectations they set themselves is just insanely dumb.
I think cutscene time, many staff, expectations are too high. Better time and thought needs to be put in. Ratchet games never get DLC either which always surprised me. Only updates with skins/pre-order bonuses and other stuff.
Then again Sony, Namco encryption and other studios to protect their work/their secrets. No wonder they go with other DRM solutions at some studios they can't be bothered to make their own hacking measures as good as the past in games even if this is a breach of the company's servers and more not a game DRM solution I know it's different.
Did Song of the Deep (besides being Gamestop/EB published in 2016 same year as Ratchet 2016, Sunset Overdrive was 2015, Spiderman is saving them while their projects just aren't suited to profits from casuals only hardcore Insomniac fans or the odd outsiders that find them curious games) sell well only Insomniac fans like Tourist Trophy (GT4 with bikes) with Polyphony fans know they exist (regardless of being a 2006 game).
The Ratchet series survives off fans so playing it safe kind of sucks these days I find as I want the series to evolve but it doesn't not anymore it doesn't. It's too much a risk I get that but still.
At least they have fan support right? Well some of us, and the odd new players.
To me Ratchet was a PS5 system seller, most other mature titles aren't engaging of game design so why would I pick them up I already don't care for major third parties from the west, I'll pick up AAs from the west or mostly Indies/Japanese AAs as well. Or even more of my money going to $5 PS3/360 games or other retro games of particular prices low enough for me to care/keep supporting my old consoles and game design I actually want to play.
I don't care for anything else on PS5, GT7 was PS4 and isn't for me design wise. God of War lost me. Stellar Blade is still being worked on. I can wait for WRC2023. I played Ride 4 and didn't like it (it's ideas great, playability too pro scale for me to be playable) and if 5 is the same like Ride 1 & 2 were of a transition between consoles no thanks. I got my Square Enix 2022 titles on PS4 and even then wasn't desperate for them.
Rift Apart was 2021, Tools of Destruction was 2007, both new gen, both similar safe games, both different eras. One was in a release Ratchet and Resistance every year or two. Now it's more spread out but still within 2-3 years to keep them going as they can't use up more money and their teams just manage well like Obsidian do with like 3 projects or so going between their 2 studios.
@UltimateOtaku91 I agree. Insomniac/Obsidian have many projects and quicker output times then most studios, their management and track records are greater then many taking longer, and whatever business models each game has.
@naruball HEre's what you missesd
Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart lost sony money. Insomniac has been turned into a marvel studio until 2029. We're getting a Venom game in 2025.
They also leaked the sales data of the PC releases seemingly declining with each release. Almost to say, that Horizon and God of War were merely a novelty to PC gamers who have now reverted to their "we'll wait for a steam sale" mentality, rendering the PC market as a moot point in exclusive sales. Thus relegating PC to a waste land of free games and cheap digital games. Given the slice of the pie that Valve gets, the only one winning here is Valve. Given that data R&C might have made back the remaking money it took to make the game so it can break even through PC sales, but nothing else really showed any kind of significant improvement outside of Days Gone.
@TrickyDicky99 8m loss is still an 8m loss. Given that most of Sony's other IPs have earned them a significant profitable return on PS5, you're not exactly singing a high praise here. The Developer is going to feel that pain when it comes time to dish out bonus'. Do you think the executives are going to care if the game served its purpose if they can keep churning out marvel games instead? There is a reason the next R&C game isn't releasing until 2029. To be quite honest with you, I don't think R&C pushed enough hardware to make such a claim that you're making here.
Don't get me wrong, I totally get what you're saying. It's a truth of the industry dating as far back as the 70's. Exclusives rule the roost, they get gamers on your platform. So does 3rd party titles that are better on your machine. Doesn't change the fact that money was lost, while other properties have earned money on top of that universally accepted belief that first party exclusives make secondary profit through licensing.... most of the time... (though we're not talking edge cases, like that 1 player who buys the console for 1 or 2 exclusives, then buys nothing else or worse buys those games used or deep discount, then you're just losing money. keep in mind that they need to sell 4 first party games to break even on 1 PS5).
Look don't get me wrong this wasn't a slant against R&C or why I think they should stop making them. I love those games, i was deeply upset to see those numbers. Then to see an additional 2.6m lost porting to the PC. which hopefully they'll make back pretty quickly and fill the difference on that 8m loss. Keep in mind that the data shows a clear decline in interest on first party titles on PC. In that space they are not 1st party titles. Which if I recall steam takes 30% cut of every sony game sold. They be fueling the Steam Deck at that point. That does drop down to like 25% after the first 2 or so million sold I think. 30% is the usual take across all store fronts too, PSN, XBGS, NeShop, Best Buy, Amazon, etc. If the game has to go on sale, well that share gets smaller for everyone.
I want to see more R&C games. I want to see more insomniac titles in general. I'd love to see older titles remade as much as new IP. Right now they are turning into a Marvel studio and this should be a huge eye opener that PushSquare should be reporting on. This leak outlines a nightmare.
@Shad361 Well, your expectations were wrong. According to the same leak it did turn a strong profit.
@NotSoCryptic You better stay updated with the leaks. The very recent ones showing Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart has turnt profit.
Having access to the sales of all first party Playstation games is highly interesting. I wish Sony would be as transparent as Nintendo is in that regard. Seeing Sackboy selling over a million is wild to me.
@SarcasticPeanut absolutely. if we can assume that the ps5 pro will mark the middle of the ps5 cycle (at 4 years), then the ps6 would be expected to release in november of 2028. the new ratchet and clank may be an early ps6 release.
@UltimateOtaku91 depends on one's definition of lackluster. within this context i view the word as: by the numbers, safe, predictable, uninspired, business as usual, void of creativity, boring... take your pick. yes, insomniac has been and will continue to be a boring studio with nothing but marvel properties through until the next decade. if you call that innovative and exciting, all the power to you.
Jesus. Those royalties for Marvel are absolutely insane.
It cost 315 million dollars for Sony to make Spider-Man 2
From every 70$ on Digital copies they need to send 6,3 - 12,6$ to Marvel.
From every 70$ on Physical copies they need to send 13,3 - 18,2$ to Marvel. Not to mention cut for retailers, distribution companies etc.
From every DLC they need to send 19-26% to Marvel
From every hardware bundle they need to send 24,5 - 35$ to Marvel
Which means that if you bought PlayStation 5 Slim Spider-Man 2 bundle for 449$, not only Sony probably lost money on actual hardware unit sold, they also lost additional 24,5 - 35$ because of Marvel cut.
Which also means that if similar provision exist for Modern Warfare 3 PS5 bundles, with every PlayStation 5 Slim sold, Microsoft got huge chunk of money.
@Stickleman I expected there would be a smaller game a la Spider-Man Miles Morales after SM2 or a new IP to change things up.
R&C for Fall 2029 is closer to 2030 & new IP for 2030-2031 is a long time. Surprised that there was no data about PS6 so the R&C title (and most other titles) will probably be cross-gen (next-gen 2026-2027?). Also, in a decade a lot of things can change (like what is MS doing - shorter gen - and adjust some things). The only titles I can see for the PS5 are Venom & Wolverine and they will probably be Remastered for PS6. That’s PS MO and not included in the stolen data, so we only see parts of what they are planning.
And don’t forget there is ND, Sucker Punch Productions, Guerilla Games, Housemarque, Team Asobi, Santa Monica Studio, etc. Insomniac Games have been very productive but there are many other PS Studios that can shine in 2024 and beyond!
@Pusher2021 bluepoint , Firespirte , Sony Bend , i think people forget how many studios they have.
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