
Xbox boss Phil Spencer never misses an opportunity to speak publicly, and at Gamescom today he’s been chatting as part of an official livestream. Asked specifically about his company’s decision to bring Indiana Jones and the Great Circle to PS5, after subsidiary Bethesda renegotiated its license with Disney to exclude Sony’s system, he admitted there’s a lot of pressure on the industry to find new growth vectors – and he suggested things will change for all platform holders.
“What I see when I look is that our franchises are getting stronger [and] our Xbox console players are as high this year as they’ve ever been,” he claimed. “So, I look at it, and I say, ‘Okay, our player numbers are going up for the console platform. Our franchises are as strong as they’ve ever been.’ And we run a business. Like, it’s definitely true inside of Microsoft that the bar is high for us in terms of the delivery that we have to give back to the company. We get a level of support from the company that’s just amazing in what we’re able to go and do.”
Xbox has been on an unprecedented spending spree over the past five or so years, burning close to $100 billion on multiple publishers and game developers. While it doesn’t declare the numbers, it’s also expected to have spent large sums of money on Xbox Game Pass, which it claims is sustainable but has had a demonstrable impact on software sales.
“I think as an industry right now, there’s a lot of pressure. It’s been growing for a long time and now people are looking for new ways to grow,” he continued. “I think for us, as players and as fans, we just have to anticipate there’s going to be more change in how some of the ‘traditional’ ways games were built and distributed. That’s going to change for all of us. But the end result has to be better games that more people can play. If we’re not focused on that, then we’re focused on the wrong thing.”
As is often the case with executives, there are a lot of words here which don’t really amount to much. It appears Spencer is suggesting more of its games will be ported to PlayStation, although he stopped short of naming any names. It also seems like he’s expecting his rivals to plot a similar path, and to be fair, Sony has been porting its games to PC and is even bringing LEGO Horizon Adventures to Nintendo Switch.
Either way, you can infer a lot from what the suit said here: Microsoft, as we all know, is pulling the Xbox division’s purse strings – and it wants some of its enormous investment back.
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Just give us Forza so I can sell my Xbox
While I see sony putting games on pc I don't see there single player games being put on Xbox maybe multiplayer games
Aye all of us Phil but of course it is 😆… now go and check how project latitude is coming along in the build up to the PS5 Pro, there’s a good chap 🧐.
Love how he's suggesting that other platform holders are doing the same yet I'd bet my house that if Sony and Nintendo had Indiana Jones they wouldn't port to a competing platform. I'd have a crumb of respect for the guy if he just admitted that "consoles sales are tanking and Game Pass subs have ground to a halt so the top brass have told us to sell our games elsewhere" because that's far more closer to the truth.
It's incredible that Phil Spencer ever managed to cultivate the image that he was the one honest exec in an industry gone bad. The man has been talking utter nonsense for a decade.
@AdamNovice As I just wrote on another forum, Xbox and Phil Spencer are really good at making their own problems seem universal.
A few months ago he said that it would only be 4 games. He said Indy would not be on PS5 and now he is saying that he is doing this to strengthen the Xbox brand? I don’t think he has said anything truthful for years now and I honestly think if you take the desk away, we would see a higher up Microsoft executive controlling him using a Dual Sense..
Yes the industry is changing indeed mate. Just not everyone will be so liberal with their IPs like Xbox under software rich Microsoft. Sony and Nintendo will manage their IPs better because they need people to buy into their hardware ecosystem. As if both companies don’t turn a profit on gaming they won’t survive. Nintendo is fully gaming and based in the vanity entertainment industry. Sony to some extent as well but profit margins for other Sony divisions are nothing like a software company. So PlayStation must have a reason for existing.
This is just standard corporate rubbish, never talk down your own product or brand. It’s been outsold by PlayStation for what 2 generations now? Only 3 was beaten. If their brand was that strong they wouldn’t care as they have said before about gamers in other systems.
@Drago201 PC isn’t a direct competitor for the console space and likely never will be. Many families aren’t going to invest in a gaming PC when there are other needs. Console games going to PC doesn’t mess up prospective console sells.
@get2sammyb
1. "Spencer continues to talk" 😂
2. "Xbox and Phil Spencer are really good at making their own problems seem universal." 💯
Probably the two most accurate sentences on the internet today.
@ironcrow86 you'd get the normal, well adjusted reaction of 'Cool! More people get to play games I like'
Aaaaand you'd get the batshit insane 'Sony has betrayed us, rise up brethren mine and scream uselessly unto the void!
They are basically 3rd party developers at this point.
The real truth is the game costs a fortune and they want to get as much money as possible since the PS5 has more players.
The PR answer is just window dressing
Aka Daddy MS gave me a choice we stop Gamepass or release games on PS5.
war...... console war never changes
Ive found the full transcript....
'The industry is changing for us all. We'll....I say is all, it's mainly us as we haven't had a coherent business plan for Xbox since we showed our hand with Xbox One and revealed that we don't really understand gaming or gamers, and we've approached the industry as any trillion dollar company would when it can outspend the competition. We've tried manufacturing a monopoly to attract gamers to our ecosystem because nurturing talent takes too long and necessitates building relationships. We've tried convincing gamers that not owning games is preferable. We've even tried to convince them that what they really want is to play old games on new consoles so they don't notice how bad we are at producing content. Now we're trying to convince you MS' problems are everyone's problems so we can create the illusion that we're visionary.
So, we've come to the point, now that we've tried and failed to make Xbox relevant having wasted billions of dollars trying everything to displace Sony except actually producing a product people want, that we're going to attempt to change the narrative of our disastrous strategy and make it look like we are in actual fact geniuses who have recognised that massive expenditure garden-walling popular multifranchise titles to a failing platform loses money. Who knew?'
He’s basically just said that Microsoft have forced them to do this.
Makes sense, cause GamePass isn’t profitable and they need to make money somewhere.
this isnt microsoft goodwill. sony sells way more consoles so its a good business decision... someone tell nintendo how to make money
Xbox console players are as high this year as they’ve ever been
I see this guy still talks a load of bull.
The Series Consoles are on course to sell less than the Xbox one, and he's also forgetting the highly successful 360 console. He's just fishing for excuses without thinking properly.
Xbox are masters of projecting their problems as industry-wide problems. But the even sadder note is Sony continually following in the industry loser's footsteps instead of the clear winners (Nintendo) who've become the sole company that fully comprehends that having high quality exclusives makes your platform desirable, regardless of the power narrative as proven by the dismal sales of Xbox Series X.
I love when Phil says "all of us" but he actually means "just us"
@AdamNovice "Other platforms are doing the same"
Yeah I agree with u on this. Ain't no way Sony putting their games on Xbox (except maybe Bungie games and multiplayer games) and the same goes with Nintendo where they will NEVER put their games on Xbox or PS.
If either Sony or Nintendo had Indy, they're gonna keep it to themselves.
Phil Spencer might as well have been wearing a clown wig and a red nose while sitting there and saying this.
@AdamNovice pretty much yeah,Sony or Nintendo doesn't need to port their games to Xbox because they sell just fine on their platforms,Sony can just port them to pc for their extra sales fix.The Xbox crowd is too much games pass trained meaning they will just wait for the list inclusion rather than actually pay for the game.
I guess overpaying for studios + their IP while expecting players to flock over to your platform afterwards and having it not happen would cause you to change your plans. I also don't get the whole "it's an industry wide thing". Like nah dude I'm pretty sure Nintendo and Sony are doing pretty well for themselves.
Well, I have more reason to not consider their current XBOX Series machine.
I dont get it there is bugger all on the xbox I would want to play on my ps5, maybe im not a hardcore gamer anymore or just xbox has nothing for me
XBOX will be a streaming brand in the future, and a publisher on PS5 and PC. Their investment and the fact that the market is so much bigger than what their consoles provide has just up and changed their strategy. Phil was vocal about losing the console war. But they might just win the best portfolio of games in the industry, and that might secure their growth.
The more gmaes available on PS5, the more choices I have and so my net gain is a higher quality of the art I choose to enjoy. Feels good to win!
I wonder what "numbers on xbox" means. Are this all people who have some kind of xbox, activision, blizzard or king's account ? Or does it really mean the number of players actually playing on a xbox box.
Anyway if microsoft says that exclusives do not matter anymore, it must be true. Like with hbo, apple+, etc. clearly content-platforms are not chosen because of the content but because of something else.
@gaston I guess it is. The bnet accounts are basically microsoft accounts now and they can convert them if they see fit. Which is... troubling.
Cause there is no way the sales of the console are up. The thing has literally disappeared on physical retail.
@UltimateOtaku91 nope he is correct. He has however chosen well selected words.
Player numbers are up because GP works on both last gen and current gen. Player numbers means nothing. It doesn’t transfer to sales (as we can see)
It’s just a statistic that has high numbers and looks good.
The only thing high in that was Phil.
Just remember, Phil is a compulsory liar.
Phil talking out his a$$ as usual.
Phil is like a nothing-burger restaurant. Everything this guy says is vague and undetermined. And even with that, he still sounds like defending a sinking ship here.
Lies of is at it again.phil knows more games is coming to PlayStation.word up son
"our Xbox console players are as high this year as they’ve ever been"
There's a few ways to interpret this statement, but only one that makes sense.
"“I think for us, as players and as fans, we just have to anticipate there’s going to be more change in how some of the ‘traditional’ ways games were built and distributed."
This sounds ominous, and more like they want to force a change. FWIW I support the idea of ending exclusivity in general, including from PS, and, heck, from TV streaming. Buying 10 platforms to access 15 IP doesn't make sense for consumers and it's only getting worse. Phil's not totally wrong here, but at the same time he's shot his credibility so much it's impossible to take anything he says at face value knowing corporate overrides him the moment he steps off stage. How many months has it been since he told us with a straight face Indy wasn't going to PS5....6 months?
@AdamNovice 1001% agree completely. I say that as someone that has always had high regard for Spencer. But he's just a whipped puppy at this point and I'd rather he "retire" with dignity than keep towing the company line with overt lies at this point. He's sinking the respect I had for him faster than Xbox sales in Europe.
So are we expecting another batch of ports to be announced then? Xbox has some good games and here’s the truth: people will buy those games day 1. I’d buy Forza Horizon 5.
Should Game Pass exclude all AAA and have smaller games and online access for much cheaper each month? Why not sell exclusives full price and build your console brand? What do I know though!
@Beyondclem " standard corporate rubbish, never talk down your own product or brand. "
You must have missed the past 2 years during the ABK hearings where MS never missed a chance to tell everyone how awful the Xbox is and how badly it sells and how hopeless its future is. That's half of how they made the dream a reality. Everyone knew Xbox sucked because Xbox bought ad space to tell everyone so, lol
@get2sammyb Yes and no. You just had the article here about the Stellar Blade devs expecting higher sales on PC than PS5. We have the whole Wukong arc. We have Square going hard multiplat. We have Sony itself going PC. Phil's not 100% wrong. The industry is changing significantly and rapidly for everyone that doesn't own a red plumber and yellow mouse. He's not wrong and even PS is in for some rough times. The paradigm is changing for everyone and we don't know where it will go yet. But he's also not being truthful and is misrepresenting their aims and reasons.
The non stop quest for growth, there's a term for that, cancer.
@Drago201 Sony doesn't need to put it's games on Xbox, in the same way that Xbox does need to put it's games on Playstation.
Never say never with Sony doing the same. Even if Xbox's ecosystem stays at 30M, that's still 30M untapped potential customers.
@EfYI They'll win in the same way that Sega won, by becoming a straight software producer.
Who are they trying to kid… they are releasing there games on PlayStation because they can’t sell them on there own platform, no other reason... Embarrassing Phil
@Fyz306903 Until the higher ups at Sony start demanding it, Playstation won't port their games to Xbox (they are probably fighting certain games like Final Fantasy VII Remake/Rebirth from going there too). The only reason Xbox is putting these games on Playstation is because MS is forcing them to.
A lot of it makes sense, there is a big shift taking place. The Console market isn’t particularly growing and is only a small segment of the whole market. Meanwhile game development costs continue to go up and more and more revenue is sucked up by the successful GAAS franchises-Fortnite, GTA Online, COD etc. True Console exclusives are getting harder to justify in terms of cost unless you’re Nintendo and are working on less powerful hardware, meaning games cost less to make.
What he doesn’t say is Xbox is much more exposed to the headwinds of change than Sony or Nintendo. Not just because their share of the Console market has stagnated but because their Console business is much less important to MS as a whole than it is Sony or Nintendo. Making their Console business a 50m(ish) box segment of a wider platform makes total sense to them.
Starfield, PLEASE!
Gears and Splinter Cell everything please and a dash of Halo.
The problem with Phil is the lack of transparency. He knew Indy was launching on PS5 when he sidestepped the question and said it wasn’t one of the first four. Instead of being honest with the Xbox players and treating them like adults, he left it at that until now. That’s a pretty crappy way to treat the people that pay your bills.
Phil has silver tongue huh? It's crazy he can twist MS problems into "the industry is changing" lol.
@NEStalgia “ a red plumber and yellow mouse “
Ok anyone who knows anything about gaming knows who the red plumber is and 99%of those people can tell you who owns him but I’ve spent 5 minutes trying to figure out “yellow mouse” and I was just typing this when Pikachu popped into my head, which I figured would happen. Don’t see him as a mouse, Pikachu is a Pikachu named Pikachu, but I’ll now assume that’s what you meant.
Funny, I just commented on NL that Switch 2 can’t cost more than $399.99 b/c kids need their Pokémon and parents need to buy them consoles so maybe the best way to have a $499 Switch 2 is to make Pokémon mobile only and make Switch 2 an adult console. Not that anyone thinks a $500 Switch 2 is the way to go. 🤑
360 won hearts and earnt Xbox a place. The Xbox One gave that all away over a single completely unnecessary policy. In order to claw that back Xbox gave us Game Pass but in doing so taught players they had no longer any reason to buy games, like literally none. Games got more expensive to make an Xbox's solution to 'win' was to give those same games away cheaper than ever.
Just endless bad decisions, chasing trends old and new. You know that AI will be the next thing they'll heavily peddle on next time. The end product is an almost pointless product.
Xbox might not die, if they can sell systems and keep a portion of that Game Pass player base happy then it has its place. But the competition is over.
Sh*t up Phil. Always talking out of your backside. Hahaha
The gaming landscape isn't changing.
Xbox is dying and xbox are trying to change the landscape before microsoft just cancels thr xbox division. The xbox brand has been on deaths door for a long time.
Reasons:
Xbox One
Already putting your games day and date onto PC, giving less people a reason to buy an xbox console.
Putting all your resources into a gaming subscription service and then releasing your games day and date on it, completely nullifying xbox game sales.
Using all your money on teams, but not just any individual teams, which xbox had a true history with and games which were made in partnership with and became a staple. No they just went out and bought the whole publisher, putting staple franchises from third party under the xbox banner.
Being completely incompetent in seeing any creative vision and instead holding on to franchises which began life all the way back on the original Xbox.
Halo
Gears
Forza
Fable
Even to the point when budgie gave up on halo because they had finished the story.
You instead grabbed a new very talented, very promising team and instead of giving them creative freedom to make what they wanted, you shoved them onto making halo for the rest of their lives.
And spent year and years talking and talking and talking with absolutely no physical evidence to back up your words.
Until this year's showcase Xbox truly had no first party games to brag about.
This year they do, yet 99% are being made by the teams who were already making triple A games for all consoles.
The Xbox division has gotten that bad, that Microsoft has stepped in before Phil blows all the money and start releasing all the games onto the PS5, to try and claw back the money Phil and the other one has wasted over the years.
The industry is massively changing for the worse. Studios closing, mass redundancies, increased development costs, ridiculous development times, higher game prices.
None of it is sustainable.
And if the rumours of the Switch 2 costing around £500 are even slightly true then that's another terrible omen for the future.
@__jamiie compared to the 80s the games industry is in good health.
Oh, another news of doom and gloom, should I sell my PS5 and go to PC?
@riceNpea That's like comparing the early days of cinema in the 1920s to the MCU.
@__jamiie I highly doubt Nintendo will release a console costing more than $299. It isn't their MO and it is against their strategy.
Sub $300 has been their price point for at least two decades, they know any product they release will sell like hotcakes since it will be cheap and there is no competition at that price.
@lacerz I don't think he "knew" Indy was on PS5 when he answered the question in Feb. If we're following the rumor mill and believe much of it, I'm sure he intended exclusivity, and "Project Latitude" for porting basically everything was started by the corp higher ups after the success of Sea of Thieves on PS5. I'm sure Phil had the same dread that players did that his intent for exclusivity would be flipped by corporate, but probably also intended to push back. But there was nothing to push back after the success of SoT.
@rjejr If you don't know Pikachu is a mouse, you have to hand in your gamer card immediately. Do u even QuickAttack bruh?
Nintendo's in a weird pricing position. We all know they're actually the most expensive, lowest value hardware proposition, but their image is always being "the cheap one." I think next gen PS/XB launch at $600-700 "cause inflation" (lol). That would give Nintendo more headroom, but they'll be launching next to PS5/Series so that's not a factor. But a $300 Nintendo is pushing things. $350 for OLED. If Nintendo jumps to $400+ I think they're going to start eating their own market a little, especially where big volume comes from families buying multiple consoles for kids, where, at $400-500 that becomes much less of an option. Only in the boardroom is $1000 the new $500. For the consumer $1000 is the new $2000.
Switch 2 will be interesting because Phil's half right here, the industry is changing a ton, and Nintendo's in a weird position with their hardware/pricing concept.
Meanwhile the "power" consoles just tried to become budget PCs. Now they are exactly that. They have to compete with gaming laptops now, but nobody would spend laptop money on a games-only console. They also have a pricing pickle.
@CielloArc "I highly doubt Nintendo will release a console costing more than $299"
You do know the Switch OLED is $349.99, right? And the WiiU black model that had reasonable onboard storage was also $349.99 back before even regular inflation before now, let alone the extreme inflation since Switch and even OLED launched? Back when competition was only $400 or less? And flagship phones were under $600 instead of under $1300?
They'll absolutely go much higher next time. Not sure if $500 though.
@CielloArc Are you quite young? I ask because Nintendo have released several systems that they've had to drastically reduce the price of and also several systems that didn't sell like hotcakes.
Virtual Boy, GameCube, 3DS, Wii U.
I hope Nintendo doesn't feel they can charge anything they want just because the Switch has been such a success.
@__jamiie did the film industry nearly collapse in the 20s then?
@riceNpea Yes it did. Several times in fact. And it's on the verge of doing something similar now.
@__jamiie that's odd because in the 1920s film attendances soared through the roof and it was the time of transformation where films became hugely popular as the format changed.
@NEStalgia My kid wanted to buy Wukong for their 1 year old gaming laptop (possibly a different thread 😜) but I think I convinced them a $1,200 "gaming" laptop wasn't going to run it well enough for them. Though I suppose the screen being maxed out at 1080p, same as their USB-C display out monitor since their HDMI out never worked on said $1200 laptop, won't tax the system too much.
Pikachu is not a mouse, Mickey is the 1 and only mouse, though not yellow, and Disney would probably sue them if they said it was a mouse. 😂
Switch 2 should be $400 for the early adopters and scalpers, then Switch 2 Lite, or is it Switch Lite 2, can be $250. And the Switch 2 OLED w/ 256GB of storage, rather than the normal 64GB, can be $499, b/c Zelda Showtime and Luigi's Brother need OLED on a 1/2 grand system gosh darn it.
The price of the next gen Xbox will be zero, like Phil Spencer's paycheck, and digital only PS6 will be able to be $500 b/c digital only. The external disc drive for PS4 and PS5 discs will be $129.99 b/c I'm sick of everything be multiples of 50.
@riceNpea Cinema lost thousands of jobs during that time. Attendance may have been higher but job creation wasn't. And now, thousands of people are losing their jobs in the games industry whilst the buying of games increases. The gap between a hit and a miss used to be negligible. The gap between a hit and a miss nowadays is death for a studio and absolute bankruptcy.
@GymratAmarillo Nope, he's a good liar, that's all. He manipulates his fanboys and they believe anything.
@truerbluer the day nintendo puts their games on any other platform, is the day their hardware sales disappear. nintendo gets away with this quality talk because they force people to buy their “quality” hardware. wouldn’t be surprise if people only have their nintendo for just a handful of games .
@rjejr I was questioning my status as a gamer over the yellow mouse. Glad I wasn’t the only one!
What was Xbox's alternative? To die quietly? Their only option to turn into Sega at this point, and it starts by releasing their games on PS5.
It seems that while the Eye of Satya's gaze is firmly on Phil the Liar, more and more Xbox exclusives are making their way to PlayStation.
Really looking forward to Forza Motorsport and/or Horizon on the PS5 soon.
@__jamiie I have no idea where you are getting your 'facts' from, but the 20s were known as the 'Roaring Twenities' because it was a time of great prosperity, and that was driven by the success and transformation of the film industry.
Please do give me the source of where you are saying the film industry in that era was ever at the point of collapse or in serious trouble.
In other words we don't sell much software because gamepass, we don't see growth in gamepass subs, hardware sales are falling drastically but you know what? others will follow our strategy too! lol this guy is full of corp Sh@t talk. Sony and Nintendo will never put their games to xbox that's for sure.
@Beyondclem PS3 outsold the XB360 by a about 4 million consoles worldwide. I thought the same thing as the 360 seemed way more popular in the west.
' "our Xbox console players are as high this year as they’ve ever been" '
Lol
What on earth is he trying to say here?!
@PsBoxSwitchOwner Yup cleverly chosen words and I can see them changing more sub names in future to make the numbers look even better. I am fully expecting the WoW sub to become GPWoW when they need to boost numbers again. Exactly like how when they rolled GP and Live together to make it look like they boosted by a lot when in reality it had dropped.
@Rich33 ironically for Phil, what he may or may not realise is that by saying, ' our Xbox console players are AS HIGH this year as they’ve EVER BEEN ', he's admitting that the numbers have peaked and are not growing, have at best returned to what they once were, all despite the last few years of heavy-handed marketing, aggressive spending, lawfare and PR spin.
@riceNpea "Twenities"??? I didn't say that the twenties were a point of suffering ever. I said that comparison between the twenties is night and day between the MCU. Making an analogy between 80s gaming and modern day gaming. That was clearly my point.
The games industry is heading for a fall. This isn't just my opinion by the way.
@NEStalgia
Switch OLED and Wii U Deluxe are special editions, and those are usually priced higher than the MSRP.
@__jamiie your analogy still doesn't work. The 20s cinema was BIGGER than the MCU. The film industry in the 20s drove the entire socio-economic landscape towards prosperity for all. And you did say the 20s suffered because you said, ' Cinema lost thousands of jobs during that time', which simply didn't happen.
And my original comment, to which you made your 20s/MCU analogy, was me stating that the games industry was close to collapse in the 80s so compared to now what we are experiencing isn't as bad. That's not to say it's in rude health now, either.
1920s Cinema - low cost, massive gain
2020s Cinema - massive cost, some gain
1980s gaming - low cost, massive gain
2020s gaming - massive cost, some gain
What is it that you don't get?
The games industry is heading for a collapse.
@Fyz306903 exactly. Makes financial sense. I just love playing games. I don't care if xbox releases games on Playstation or vice versa. If more gamers get to experience the games and the company makes more sales, it's a win win situation.
@Bionic-Spencer no he didnt.
@Dodoo I mean it's obviously a squirrel but I kind of think of it as a chipmunk since I'm partial to chipmunks. 😁
https://www.toynk.com/blogs/news/what-type-of-animal-is-pikachu#:~:text=Pocket%20Monster%20(Pok%C3%A9mon)%20graphic%20artist,rabbit%2C%20as%20most%20people%20thought.
Pika is a 13 lined ground squirrel. Not that anyone in Japan would know what that is, I've only ever seen 1 in my life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen-lined_ground_squirrel
@CielloArc Yes and no. Switch OLED is a "special edition" but it's also testing the waters on price point. It's been the top seller for a while. The price point will be here to stay. Yesterday's special edition is today's standard.
WiiU "Deluxe" wasn't really much of a special edition. The base model had limitations with normal use with patches and DLCs for games and was discontinued early on leaving only the Deluxe. And that was all a decade ago.
I think $350 is the minimum I'd expect Switch 2 but I also expect that's too low.
@get2sammyb i don’t think Phil was trying to make MS problems Sony problems. We have seen Jim Ryan and now the current CEO’s of PS say they want and need more reach of their games than just the PS console. The continue to add games to PC which wasn’t something they were doing 10 years ago. Just because they aren’t bringing God of War to Xbox doesn’t mean the industry for even PS isn’t changing, Sony is running at 4% profit that will have to change or they will continue to lose investor money. Maybe Spider-man 3 has to be 15 hours to keep the budget down or if it’s 25 plus hours it will not make back much on the return. So the industry is changing and i think Phil is correct, MS and Xbox are just doing it differently of course. Software cost is the main reason for all these changes as we all know. For all we know Sony could be day and date with PC come PS6 time, we can’t sit here and say we know. In closing if Sea of thieves sold a million on PS5, there is no reason the Last of Us Part 1 couldn’t do the same or even more on Xbox. How long will Sony leave that money on the table or be allowed too? We don’t know but we do know the cost of video games and investors are changing the industry and Phil isn’t wrong here.
@__jamiie once again i find your point and reasoning to be spot on. The industry is changing and not for the better if we don’t tear and peel away some of its older years business models. Sure people will take that as me saying Sony will bring titles to the Xbox and thats not what i am saying. But i am saying what worked even just 8-10 years ago isn’t going to help some studios in today’s industry. This site forget’s all the time that Sony is running at 4% profit margins and investors aren’t having that. Single player games that Sony is know for and gamers on this site want is all well and good but they are going to have to find a way to get cheaper cause they just don’t make enough on return like a successful multiplayer game on all platforms. I am going off topic a but, i just wanted you to know i read your comments and as always i agree and think you are spot on my friend.
@__jamiie what is it you don't get?
You are the one who brought 1920s cinema into the discussion as an analogue to 1980s gaming and it's simply not comparable. The film industry didn't nearly collapse in the 20s like the games industry did in the 80s. You made a poor analogy labouring a point that I didn't try to make.
The only comparison I made is that the game's industry now compared to the 80s is better off. I've lived and gamed through both periods and the 80s was like the Wild West. There were publishers coming and going like crazy. Piracy was through the roof. There was no quality control. Broken games were everywhere. Some games were more expensive then they are now, in relative terms! That's it, as simple as that. That's not to say there aren't problems in contemporary gaming, clearly there are, and clearly it's in a period of flux.
I'm not even disagreeing with you final prognosis, all I've said is that it was once worse than this and compared to that time we are in a better position to stave it off, especially considering the games industry DIDN'T collapse in the 80s.
@riceNpea
After their recent carry on, I dont think I would even consider an Xbox console in the future (and I did move to xbox360, then back for PS4). And i think they (Xbox) may have just killed their future business as a console platform in pursuit of Games Pass (which I still think is 1 of the biggest mistakes / threats to video games as a whole), and massive aquisitions, which they now have to start paying MS back for.
Exclusives are a massive part of what draws people to a platform (and a fair part of what keeps me only thinking about PC, not moving to it), and putting yours on other platforms is just plain silly, when looking at a long term view of customer incentive/trust.
All this on top of their game pass price increases, and backtracking on day 1 GP (which had already been backtracked on imo with their very "early access" for buying customers).
But yeah, my main reason for commenting was that i found what he said to be poorly chosen wording (i mean, in relation to the part i quoted from the article, just look at how you can misread what he said!), incoherent, nonsensical, babble.
@Rich33 agree with all that, mate.
@rjejr ah thank you, I’ll be able to sleep soundly now tonight! 😂
@Dodoo You're most welcome. 😴
@HonestHick Once again I appreciate your comments back. It doesn't always play well on this site to have an original opinion!
You're a great person to read too and your posts resonate with me and the way the industry is.
We'll get there eventually!
@__jamiie appreciate it more than you know. Yeah all platforms have their die hard and they aren’t normally open to round table industry talk. It’s we can dash the other platforms as long as well all agree our platform is perfect and does no wrong. So lame and tiring. Tho i will say some are starting to get some issues with Sony here and there now. The one that got me was them pushing up the price of PSN to $80. Just cause!! Rumors are coming out that MS will drop the pay to play online core function next gen. If true that will be a nice selling point, i think with MS bringing more of it’s games to other places they will have to have GP and other features to make the Xbox a place to play, that would for sure be a smart one. I wanna see this September show Sony has rumored to be. Hope we see some thing software wise that is exciting. As always buddy we will be here telling it like it is. Don’t leave me behind Hahaha! I need ya here! 😀
@HonestHick You're always a sound measure of judgement when it comes to console bias.
I hope that Sony rethink the PS5 Pro (but they won't)
I hope that Nintendo doesn't go crazy with it's pricing of Switch 2. (£499 is what I've heard)
I hope that Xbox make a truly Windows Xbox console (including games from Steam, PlayStation, Xbox, Epic etc.)
Anyway, let's see what happens.
@__jamiie i am good with all of that. I was shocked to hear Nintendo under $499, i thought $399 would be the high. Cause it does sound like it will pack a little more tech this time around. But $500 for what is pegged to be a PS4 power handheld. Seems a bit much. We know Nintendo loves to profit on hardware but still. Anyways i will get one no matter the price. But would like to see them stay family friendly on price in order to sell a ton of them.
Xbox, yes you are right on the money. I hope it’s more of a PC/console hybrid and opens up the doors even more for games all in one place. If i can play PC, Xbox and PS games on it. Wow that is a big time win for me and maybe even MS. That might sell a little better than thier last two offerings.
PS5 Pro, i mean with no big upgrade to the CPU, i am a little less interested. But i am sure it will still be a nice upgrade and if i can sell my Digital launch unit for a decent price i will use that to pay the extra and upgrade. I think you know this about me but as a reminder. I love PS consoles, i love PS games from time to time. But buddy their controllers for me are about as comfy as putting my hand in a mouse trap over and over. I think it’s the position of the sticks, NES on here thinks its that and the high tension on the thumbsticks. I don’t know, but after like 30 mins my left thumb hurts and i slip off their sticks a lot. So i have to limit my play time on PS5 to just here and there for the exclusives. I know many on here think i am a Xbot fanboy cause i buy most my games on it. But it really is as simple as the controller and nothing to do with console war non sense. I know you know that part.
So in closing, i wish all to game where it makes sense and more importantly the most fun for them. To have fun is why these dev’s spend countless hours at work away from their families and friends to produce fun and entertaining content for us players. There is no reason to not enjoy their hard work in the best way possible for the player and that is why I believe games in more places and consoles is a good thing. I truly hope yourself gets the time and enjoyment out of the industry as much as you can. Through all the negative news and downside of this industry, it still brings the biggest smile to my face when it does what it does best. I hope 2025 and beyond brings us new content and ways to play. I think it just might do that for all 3 console makers.
@HonestHick Impeccably said my friend.
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