
If you want an insight into the shifting strategy at Xbox, then look no further than this: a little over a year ago, in June 2023, Bethesda boss Pete Hines told the Federal Trade Commission in court that his company had renegotiated its Indiana Jones deal with Disney to exclude the PS5. The Great Circle, originally planned to be multiplatform, was scheduled to release on Xbox and PC only following the amended deal.
It was announced for PS5 as “one more thing” during Gamescom Opening Night Live last night.
This really underlines the rapidly changing thinking within Microsoft, as in less than a year it’s completely revised its approach. The trillion dollar tech titan had previously spoken of a “case by case” basis with regards to exclusivity, but when Starfield skipped Sony’s system it was expected all of Bethesda’s games would follow the same path. That entire tactic appears to have been tossed out of the window.
During its widely publicised business update podcast earlier in the year, Xbox boss Phil Spencer was asked outright if Starfield and Indiana Jones and the Great Circle would be coming to PS5. He said no, but the clue was in the context: he was only asked specifically about the first four Xbox titles coming to Sony’s system. Misleading, yes – but technically not a lie.
Of course, we’re still waiting to see which other Xbox games will come to PS5. We know DOOM: The Dark Ages is en route on day one, but speculation about titles like Forza Horizon 5, Microsoft Flight Simulator, and Starfield has come to nothing thus far. It does feel like the bulk of Microsoft’s output will be coming to PlayStation at this point, but until the titles are officially announced, we’ll have to wait and see.
Will you play Indiana Jones and the Great Circle on PS5? (2,327 votes)
- Definitely, assuming the reviews are good
- Maybe, I'm still not sure it's for me
- No, I'll be playing it on Xbox or PC
- Nah, I'm just not interested in Indy really
[source News: Indiana Jones Game Deal Amended to Exclude PS5, PS4]
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That’s how you do good business right there 🤡
I'm excited for this game but damn the whole trailer just had me wanting to replay U4 or 2 again. Like damn, those games rule. I hope Sony brings the franchise back if not with NDs development at least their story/creative input.
Regarding the business decision. If it is anything like Sonys deals with Disney? They need to hit certain sales targets, revenue and units. Probably Xbox negotiated with Playtime instead for GPU. Either way with their current hardware sales it seems like they have no choice but to go multiplat. Spider-Man is a gigantic franchise and Playstation do insane marketing and spending to ensure it's success. Xbox doesn't have that with Indy.
Funny part is? Had someone negotiated for an Indy game now, they probably would've got a better deal from Lucasfilm after the last movie became a flop.
Basically their plan on buying Bethesda thinking playstation gamers would flock to xbox failed massively and came back to bite them in the a**.
Disney: and how many copies, on top of giving it away on game pass, do you expect to sell?
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I see...
Well, how long until you can get it running on PlayStation?
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Yes, We think that is probably for the best.
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Yes, yes. We know. Goodbye, Phil.
As silent as Sony has become. I'll take it over what the Xbox division does any day of the week. It's insane how much they have muddied the waters over the last couple of years. I thought Sony was bad at times, but Xbox easily takes the cake.
I'm pretty sure MS has hired David Schwimmer to advise Big Phil on business strategy based on the sofa up the stairs episode of Friends.
I will keep an eye on reviews for this one. Unfortunately I expect them to be garbage same as everything Xbox related.
Love Machine games Wolfenstein. Excited to see what they do with Indy. Fond memories of the Emperors Tomb on the original Xbox. Over 20 years ago! Jesus! Then again the last good Indy film was 35 years ago.
Xbox is wishy-washy in many areas of its business, but it is very particular about corpo speak.
Also, I can't wait until Phil Spencer's cult of personality puts on their fake happy masks and proudly states that "console exclusives are bad for the industry" just to cope with Indiana Jones going to PS5.
I'm very happy with the prospect of playing that game!
There should be a poll option for “I’ll try it on gamepass and then buy it on PS5 if it’s good.”
It just goes to show Xbox getting $80B to buy a bunch of studios and two major publishers was really a monkey's paw. Phil got what he wanted, but also got all the scrutinity of the shareholders and the Microsoft CEO, which really took a lot of power out of his hands.
@Boxmonkey Garbage like Hi-Fi Rush and Sea of Thieves?
They finally realised that 15$ a month for gamepass to play it brings in less money than 70$.
I love Indiana Jones but this game just doesn't interest me don't want to play an Indy game in first person I'm tired of Troy Baker being in everything and I just don't think they'll do the IP justice. Happy for everyone looking forward to it but it's just not doing it for me
You wonder what pictures Phil Spencer has of his bosses to be still employed after Xbox being 3rd place; reducing profit by going subscription model, losing ground in Europe and Asia, buying somewhere around $100bn of studios only to close a bunch of them, and then make all those exclusives you paid for 3rd party? At this point I wonder has Xbox listed as a charity to explain the money they throw at it without return.
wonder what push square will do for news when xbox is no more
@trev666 glad to see that you’ve been to the opticians following our recent chat trev 🤓
Poll needs the option:
The thought of playing an Indy game like I was controlling an Indy movie really intrigues me but I've never seen an Indy movie in first person so...
Just shows that despite all his corporate speak, old uncle Phil wanted exclusives all along. If he had his way, IPs like Doom, Indiana Jones and Elder Scrolls wouldn't go anywhere near a PlayStation. In a way, them buying Activision was a blessing because now Microsoft have taken over and have realized what a lot of us have said for the last 15 years. That not enough people want an Xbox at the expense of PlayStation and Nintendo consoles, so they might as well go 3rd party.
what changed? well the games sold so well that they did put on the ps5 , they would be silly not to. but also the turn around is kind of crazy , so it feels like a ps5 version already had work done to it before it was stopped. if they already had a working ps5 version and its making money. they might as well finish it and release it.
@trev666 focus on games like Astrobot, perhaps? Or the hundreds of the third party games that are coming to ps5? Just a thought.
For some reason the "Well that was a waste of time" under the headline killed me. It reads so disappointed. Like we're not mad Xbox, we're just disappointed. Ruthless stuff.
@rjejr i didn't like it when they first announced it , but when they showed off the game play i changed my mind. the game is pretty much putting the player in the shoes of indy and playing the game from his point of view which i think is pretty cool. all the cinematic are 3rd person though which is the movie type part of the game.
Anyone remember the dozens of articles here and hundreds or thousands of comments wringing their hands about the doom of gaming as Microsoft was going to build a monopoly and destroy Playstation with their bottomless pockets, lol? (Insert Oprah "you get an exclusive, and you get an exclusive.gif)
Love Indiana Jones, but this isn't an Indiana Jones game, not one bit. I'd rather stick to Emperor's Tomb.
They made the game first person so don’t care at all anymore . Leave it to Xbox to screw up any game.
Early Access on Xbox.
Full refined version on PS5.
Love to see it.
I almost get the feeling Phil has gone from showing up early to Satya's board meetings (when he could use the corporate credit card ad infinitum to buy up whatever he wanted), to dreading the phone calls from HQ & needing to flash his corporate I.D badge ,& insist to Satya's secretary he definitely has an invite these days!😋
@twitchtvpat Yeah I get that the you "PLAY" as Indy has an appeal, but first person has never really appealed to me. It's why I skip most VR games, first person for gameplay just seems weird. I know that makes me weird b/c FP is big in a lot of games but I just don't play those games. Indy will do fine w/o me, I may go replay Uncharted 2 when this releases, haven't played it since the original version.
@rjejr understandable
@riceNpea Pivot!
Xbox is imploding in such a bad way, it’s great that PS5 users will eventually get all Xbox games but in a few years Sony’s console will be the only way to play many games besides PC and we all know how abusive Sony can get when they have no competition.
The future of the whole gaming industry is looking pretty bleak to be honest…
I remember thinking about that when I saw the news that it was coming to PlayStation. How utterly wasteful on their end. But Xbox leadership no longer has control. Everything is run through Microsoft now...
Disney to Uncle Phil...
"You have chosen, poorly"
The price of the renegotiation was most likely in the range of what would have saved Tango studio...
I'm going to bet that with Microsoft taking a more concerned look at how the Xbox gaming division is being run and at what decisions are being made, someone high-up in Microsoft has pointed out to Phil that going all-in on Gamepass early on, but then buying as many developers and making as many exclusivity deals as they could, was not the smartest decision. Now Xbox gamers expect every in-house and exclusive game on Gamepass day 1, leaving Xbox losing out on sales revenue, and Phil can't back-track without potentially losing a ton of Gamepass subscribers. The only option they have to try to increase revenue is by licensing their games to their competitors. It's a pretty feable position to be in.
@Ravix I laughed way to hard at this lol
@UltimateOtaku91 That clearly was their plan for ABK, though they said it was mainly for the mobile stuff (at least be honest about it), but obviously they realized spending so much when putting it on Game Pass and not other consoles was an idiotic idea.
Phil can do all the corporate speak he wants, but we know the truth. Microsoft put themselves in the bafflingly unprecedented position of being the biggest publisher with the smallest platform, and when you compound that with a sunk cost driver like Gamepass, your not going to get your money back without your competitors picking up your slack.
@CaptD brilliant reference 👏🏻
@MrGawain and I bet, with all the facts you’ve stated, that Philk will be CEO of another huge company when this is all said and done.
@UltimateOtaku91 I agree. I think once they bought Bethesda and Activision they thought it would force Playstation games to come in droves, but that didn't happen. I personally don't care who they buy it's never going to change my mind.
@NEStalgia funnily enough, I’ve always been against the “Netflixification” of gaming. I’ve always hated the idea of putting games out strictly behind a monthly subscription. Sure it’s cool when only 1 publisher is doing it. But then when you need twenty $20 monthly subs to play the games you want it’s awful.
The way people were praising Gamepass and saying how Sony needs to follow suit was so puzzling to me. It’s clearly not a sustainable way to do business. And genius Phil was always everyone’s hero. Every Xbox fans hero. Now how will they feel when they (eventually) HAVE TO go to PS to play Xbox games?!
@rjejr I hear you about FPS games. First person view makes any game that uses it an automatic skip for me.
@AhmadSumadi Yeah, I think most people are fed up with the "subscription economy." My calendar app on my phone I bought 10 years ago decided to tell me the other day they're removing what I paid for, putting me in free trial, and want me to subscribe $2/mo or $9 year to use my calendar. Instead of making a version 3 and charging for new features, they just want me to pay annually for the features I already paid once for. I immediately spent $16 on two other calendar apps I'll use instead. Deleted.
I hate what's happened with streaming video services. It doesn't work with 20 different services. I didn't like GP, then did like GP, now I'm leaning away. But I'm also going back to PC in general as XB is directionless and constant chaos. PS is just gouging (no $70 never should have been.) Just washing my hands of both of them at this point.
This coming to PlayStation is good news, if only that now when I say that the animations (both facial expressions in cutscenes and in-game movement) look stiff and awkward and that the gameplay looks slow and bland, that can be taken at face value, rather than dismissed as "Sony Pony is just butthurt about this awesome Xbox exclusive"
@breakneck As much as i love Uncharted, i feel the series already finished nicely with U4. So i hope Sony let the series sleep for now.
I mean, Uncharted series is about Nathan Drake and his story arc already done in U4. Sure they made Lost Legacy and it's a pretty solid game. But I fear if they keep continue the series without Nathan and ND, the series will lost it's charm and quality. Just look at Indiana Jones which was the inspiration for Uncharted. The series should end with the 3rd movie but they made the 4th and 5th which was feels hollow and like a cash grab.
@dskatter Thats fanboys for you lol. I play games whatever they on
@PuppetMaster This is controversial… but understand I’m a massive Indy fan… the films should have moved to a new and younger actor 4th film onwards with Indy stories in his prime… the way that no one person is James Bond forever… Indy 5 was absolutely dreadful. Just my opinion.
So hyped for this game though.
Xbox is the ‘Temple of Gloom’ if anyone wants that one…
@devil76 I bought my first XBox ever a few months ago to go along with my PS5 and Switch, and it’s been a pleasant surprise. Been playing Forza Horizon 3-5 and loving them, FF13 via backward compatibility, finally dipping my toes into the Halo and Gears of War series…
I dislike MS a LOT but there are good titles to be had there. But I’m still a PS/Nintendo gamer primarily!
@dskatter They have awsome games on Xbox but don't own Hifi Rush anymore.
@AhmadSumadi "First person view makes any game that uses it an automatic skip for me."
Shh, the hardcore gamer bros are going to take your avatar away they hear you talking like that. 😉
I'm waiting for Fortnite to go FP so I can stop playing it, it's been 3yrs, that's long enough, but I keep on playing it anyway. FP and I'm done though, regardless of how bad my addiction is. There's always Hoyoverse to fill the void.😂
@Flaming_Kaiser Of course they don’t. But it originated there.
Well... from those games starfield is the only one i might try after a price cut.
So... whatever. There is a reason why i don't buy Xbox anymore. They really don't have anything for me.
"Misleading, yes – but technically not a lie."
Well that's just Phil Spencer all over!
@rjejr FPS games are so flat and basic. In my opinion, of course. Traversal is weak, main character always moves the same, and I want to be more than just a hand on the screen. I especially hate FPS games that allow the player to customize the character. WHY?!
@AhmadSumadi @AhmadSumadi "Traversal is weak"
I tried playing Destiny 2 b/c my kid was playing it and there was section where we had to jump around a big round building outside and it was impossible for me to do, so I stopped playing. There were some indoor corridors I was cursing at before that as well, I think I actually had my kid play that section just to get me through it. I know it's a "skil issue" on my part but FPS should not have platforming roadblocks in their games.😝
"I especially hate FPS games that allow the player to customize the character. WHY?!"
You could have just said "Skyrim". 😉
@rjejr NO!!!! Skyrim is not an FP game! I’ve never played it that way and it doesn’t exist in that way! Do not ruin one of my favorites but categorizing it as such lol. I play a lot of ESO and I know some people who play it in FP mode. With all the dodging and moving you have to do in that game I can’t see how that’s even possible.
Spencer: "If we build it, they will come."
Narrator: "They didn't."
@IOI This is not an accusation but a genuine question. What have Sony done to gain this reputation of abusing their position as market leader? I constantly see “if Sony are left unchecked” comments but don’t really understand the history behind them.
I imagine they are as greedy and evil as the next corporation but if Xbox exited the hardware market they are still competing with PC, Nintendo, Handhelds and Mobile for our time and money. If they aggressively raise the prices of consoles/games people will abandon PlayStation in droves. Steam is already significantly cheaper for software, you don’t need to pay a fee to play online, you can basically turn a desktop into a console and you don’t need the very latest rig to play games at 60fps (which seems to be most gamers benchmark) so I don’t get this theory that the moment Xbox shut up shop, Sony are going to make the consoles £1000 and price every game at £100. Surely they would aim to draw an already dubious fanbase of Ex-Box users into the ecosystem and going full price hike crazy would be counter productive to this aim as it would just drive them elsewhere.
That was a quick turnaround. Not surprised by it all because money.
Xbox is being run by a bunch of Homer Simpsons.
@PuppetMaster true. It's just that nothing has really scratched that itch since. A lot of games have tried to take the Uncharted mechanics and while some like the Jedi games do it decently none have actually managed to have the polish and set pieces and vertical combat to match.
@GeeEssEff it's dumb. There's more competition than ever before. Steam is huge, Nintendo is huge. There is still the fight with traditional streaming media and YouTube as well for people's time.
If any of you want to LAUGH at seeing xbot cope here it is captured live: https://x.com/Otikage/status/1826141852401037572
"no, xbox isn't porting it's console exclusives to playstation.
its just hard hopium for fanboys."
🤡
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHH!
It’s likely in MS favor. If they do the port/publishing they get paid for it so rather than a cut for the xbox and PC versions they get money for all of them. As a publisher that is a smart move.
@GeeEssEff Just look at the first years of the PS3 generation, the console itself and everything surrounding it was insanely expensive for the time, they focused the console on everything besides the games and because of that it was so hard to develop for that there was some time the PS3 didn’t have banger exclusives when both Xbox 360 and Wii did.
Nowadays it’s not so good either, so far this generation they raised the price of the console in every market except the US (which MS did follow), they pushed the standard price of games to $70 (and everyone followed), they began to charge devs to allow cross play but backed off soon after, raised the price of PS+ by nearly 30% and imo they’ve been rather complacent in first-party games’ output.
Besides, it’s just a rule in any industry, more competition is ALWAYS better for all users.
Mah, would rather had Gears of war 🤷
this is called leadership incompetence, what a joke they are lol
@x3King84 I agree that the 4th and 5th films should not exist. However I think the issue is less about who plays Indy and more that Indy is just not appealing to the modern youth in ways that Nathan Drake will be. Indy works as a low tech hero in deserts with a old revolver and whip, punching nazis, doing stunts on old bikes etc.
It all works but it was aimed a generation who remembers that stuff and romanticizes it and I don't think you can make him modern and keep the charm that the old films had. Much better to just make good films with modern takes on the charcters like they did with Tomb Raider/ Uncharted.
As for the game if I play it, which is unlikely, I will play it on PC for mouse & KB support since they foolishly made it first person. But it they really want my interest they should just remaster the OG Indiana Jones point and click games to 4k.
Pretty sure case by case basis is exactly what MS are doing.
MS know how to find money. If it doesn't come to them (Xbox) they will go to it (other platforms).
A software company selling software to leverage profit from other companies should come as no suprise to nobody. They are just doing it first.
Sony will follow suit the second their current business strategy is no longer profitable.
It's cool this game coming to PS players but this game doesn't. Look interesting at all.. gimme gears of war trilogy
This is just a follow up of terrible X1 launch
@dskatter All the companies have their faults, but there is great games on each system, and not just the big three
They finally realized that they have no chance of beating PlayStation. This strategy suits them better as their only interest is to have games everywhere while profiting from every system out there, strictly releasing games on Xbox (only console) was a dumb move on their part anyway
@dschons Sony seems to communicate even less since Herman took over, if that's possible.
I mean, even Jimbob used to turn up occasionally, make an inappropriate comment, before bogging off back into the undergrowth.
Sigh, I miss the Layden/House/Tretton days...
@GeeEssEff
I think that sort of talk comes from two broad eras - first, the release of the PS3 after the absolute dominance of the PS2. Specifically, the $600 price tag on launch. That is a part of Sony's history that will never leave the Playstation fanbase's collective memory. That 600 price tag was absolutely devastating and nobody ever really forgot. Caused a big shakeup internally within Sony among the upper executives and among their customers as well. That was 18 years ago now.
The second is the current era we are in now. After the runaway success of the PS4, and right about 2 years prior to the launch of the PS5, Sony became weird. Not sure what happened, but the current discourse online (for what that's worth) is the Playstation division suddenly became reclusive, distant and uncommunicative with its fans and the media, which coincided with a new push towards higher prices across the board. While Sony has always been a business, their PR was previously pretty effective at suspending your disbelief. Now, you can't help but be reminded Sony is a soulless corporation at every turn. Jim Ryan didn't help that perception much.
Basically, the Playstation division has shown a pattern of achieving a big success, followed by some perceived overreach or strategic blunder. I think Sony has always tried to position itself as a boutique brand with prices to match, but they don't always have the cachet to demand those higher prices. And every time they are in a position to raise prices, they do - every time, whether it is warranted or not. Hence all the "Sony is arrogant" comments. But hey, that's every business on the planet.
My personal take is Sony has pretty much shed the wool at this point and just discarded everything that wasn't related to their core business enterprise. Dropped out of every gaming trade show (their in-house Showcase presentations almost always miss the mark), announced the PS5 extremely late and in a Wired magazine article of all things, followed by a weird Mark Cerny presentation. They raised the price of the PS5 retroactively in most regions, led the way in a price increase for games to $70, abandoned exclusives for extra PC sales, have almost entirely eliminated their AA development teams in favor of a very limited selection of genres and a stated focus on live service, as well as maintained an egregiously long period of cross-platform releases on the PS4 which has this far stunted the PS5's potential... In summary, it's starting to really feel like a company run by accountants (It always has been, they just were better at hiding it in the past).
My anecdotal take is people who jumped in around PS4 don't really get the animosity towards Sony, while people who started with the PS1 argue this is the worst Playstation generation by far. I'm in the second camp. But then again, maybe we are just old and grouchy.
@devil76 Very much so. That’s why I bought my first XBox ever a few months ago to add to my console repertoire.
Not tough to see their strategy.
All aquired IP from Bethesda and ABK will be multiplatform.
All traditional, "home-grown" Xbox tentpole IP (Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable etc.) will remain Xbox console-exclusive.
At least for the remainder of this generation and the beginning of next generation. If their hardware sales continue to fall, then nothing will be off the table.
expected all of Bethesda’s games would follow the same path? I don't think anyone thought doom would be exclusive
@Ken_Kaniff but nothing from abk has actually released yet why would people flock to Xbox?
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