PS6 Is Already Deep in Development, Backwards Compatibility of High Importance

Disc drive confirmed then? 👀

How about more games and less hardware?

When is the current gent gonna start...? Oh wait, the next gen is just upon us... Wow, phew. Will I be able to keep up?

@Nem why would an article about Intel have that info? Go to reddit Gamingleaksandrumors for that

I was hoping McCain would get the chip deal

Honestly though, what's even the point anymore?
The base PS5 juice hasn't even been squeezed at 50%, yet we're getting the Pro lmao.
Where are the games that support these hardware?
RDR2 and TLOU2 are still the most impressive "next gen" games and they're last gen!

I wonder if we are seeing the gradual break down of traditional generations.

As backwards compatibility and carrying over your library from past consoles generations becomes part of the offer and with the differences console to console being increasingly difficult to discern, I think we just have different models of console in the same eco-system that have different performance levels but no longer gate content behind a new piece of hardware.

@Cloud39472 think people have speculated the ps6 will be the last to support disks, and they are starting to make it more difficult for disks with selling them as a separate accessory and being out of stock drives people to software only. I suspect this is one tactic they will start using - very limited disk production numbers.

Anyway, why are we talking the ps6 now? I just want the switch 2DS!

In all seriousness, hardware developers go into conversations about this almost immediately after the manufacturing of the next model has got over so many and confirmed the design works. Be it a hardware uplift (like the fans or cooling for the ps5) or the ps5 pro. I would not think they stop for any period chasing updating components, cheaper prices or some other new competitive advantage in the hardware market.

For example, I should imagine the switch 2 hardware is done, the manufacturer has started so the next port will be to start looking at the switch 3 or other intermediate hardware/accessories. Everything has to be years in advance so the orders can be made to the manufacturers, which when large scale like this you book months of production time at once and so that has to be coordinated years in advance. Sega used to have the next one starting the day after the current one starts production, sometimes even two consoles in R&D at the same time such as the Saturn. Things are thankfully a bit more linear now, but still the same concept - everything is done years in advance and most likely the day after the current next console design is complete.

Having seen how this generation has performed I wouldn't be in any rush to get a PS6 and will likely wait a few years after its released. It feels like we're pretty much at peak technology and generational leaps are now much more minor.

The PS5 hasn’t even been pushed to its limits and hoping PS6 is 2028 🙏🏻

Get ready to play The Last of Us: Re-Re-Re-Mastered HHD-3D on PS6!!

They’re trying to sell a very expensive Pro model of their current system that has no new PC-level games…not a good look to have chip deals go public on their next console.

The PS5Pro is Sony selling to the market they helped establish, the scalper’s market, so they can make money, call it a success, and maybe buy more developers.

I wonder if we'll get a single first party sp game by then.

If the rumours are to be believed, @themightyant, the NeXtBoX will be out in 2026. What worries me about this is that what has traditionally kept the prices of consoles down is competition, because we usually see both consoles release at about the same time.

Now, with the Pro costing £820 (if you want all stand and drive), then what will a [i]truly[i/] next generation console cost? More than £800 is reasonable guess. And then what would that mean for the PS6 if it releases a year or two after the NeXtBoX? Still more, is the most likely answer.

After all, we can see that Sony feels empowered to charge a significant price for the Pro, probably due to their market dominance, and if rumours are to be believed, Sony was initially looking to price the PS5 at £600, before Microsoft then announced the Series X as costing £450, which was then followed a week later by Sony.

Console gaming is not the affordable pastime that it once was...

I think it's safe to make the assumption that PS6 will be entirely cross-gen titles with PS5 because there's no way they can price the base PS6 the same as a PS5 Pro or lower unless it's like a decade away from release.

If the ps5 pro has a gpu equivalent to a 3070 then the ps6 needs to have like a 4090 inside to be a generational difference or else the games won't look different between the 2. Also I feel the ps5 maxed out the generational upgrade with top of the line ssd, gpu, cpu and controller when it was released in 2020. They should just invest 100$ more into the gpu instead of adding 1tb of ssd and the ps6 will be success

@Nem The current hardware isn´t good enough to keep up with the modern developers' vision (a stable framerate of more than 30 FPS)

@Cloud39472

50/50 chance backward compatibility is achieved by having the current disc attachment accessory work with PS6.

The other possibility is it actually comes with one built in. I think it's 50/50 one of these methods is how they achieve backward compatibility.

@Fiendish-Beaver I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, that’s not how console pricing works.

if backwards compatibility is a priority for sony then it will come with a disk drive for sure..

Hopefully they'll have time to implement everything before launch and not break most functionalities like they did with the PS5... And maybe test their system so it doesn't randomly fails to offer game upgrades. But we're talking about Sony. They don't really care about firmware quality, and not just on consoles, but all their hardware

So we can play PS4 games even better on the PS6 and get plenty of PS6 versions of PS5 1st party titles so we actually got a lot of 1st party titles. Count me in!

Every console adjusted for inflation according to Geoff Keighley:

PS1: $611 (1995)
PS2: $546 (2000)
PS3: $778 (2006)
PS4: $538 (2013)
PS4 Pro: $522 (2016)
PS5: $606 (2020)
PS5 Pro: $699 (2024)

Ever since nVidia boss said that graphics in future games will be impossible without AI (upscaling etc) I am not in any rush to buy any new hardware. This gen has been a total disappontment and I find myself gaming 90% of the time on my ROG Ally instead of my PS5, while playing older titles. Modern gaming is slowly starting to lose its appeal.

@LifeGirl so the PS2 and 4 (best consoles imo) were absolutely insane value for money given the size of their libraries

@LifeGirl

I will bet that the PS6 will also cost $699 at launch with a drop in price for the PS5 Pro.

@johnedwin Probably not built in. They have the addon now so it'll likely be digital only with the option of buying with the disk drive. That way they can just develop one console.

I honestly think we need to move on from discs if physical media is to survive. Obviously a disc drive would be required for backwards compatibility, but I wouldn't mind if its just some usb/proprietary cable accessory. Since getting a Switch, I've noticed how much nicer using cartridges are over discs. It's probably never going to happen but the Vita did use cartridges so maybe there's a chance. The main problem is obviously cost as you're essentially buying a 150gb SSD everytime.

@GreatAuk Yeah, I honestly don't mind either as long as physical remains an option. I think as long as BC is important to Sony then physical will still be around.

@LifeGirl Wow. The Ps4 was a bargain!

If my PS4 Pro survives this gen, I'll skip the PS5 if the PS6 can run Astro's Playroom.

You're missing the point, @LowDefAl. If Microsoft can say that the NeXtBoX is an improvement on the Pro, then they can reason that they can also charge more for it. Now, whether Microsoft choose to do that, bearing in mind their market share, is another matter completely.

However, unless Sony introduce a PS6 that is inferior to the Pro, then how on Earth do you expect them to seek less for it. The very best we can hope for is that the PS6 will cost £800 (for the top tier version), but truthfully, with Sony's dominant market position (and apparently arrogant position too) it's difficult to see them not seeing the launch of the PS6 (which will likely be superior to the NeXtBoX due to the difference in launch times) also being higher that the cost of the Pro.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be mistaken, but I just cannot see it...

I think we won't see the next gen until late 2027 or even 2028.

Yours for just £900 (disc drive sold separately)

@get2sammyb you're letting them off the hook because of Astrobot? Disappointing reply tbh.

@LifeGirl yeah but every other console on that list came with its disc drive included

@Rob3008 We aren't at peak technology for the consoles. Will likely never be anymore. As the cost that consumers are willing to pay is the biggest bottleneck. As people seriously don't understand how much raw power is needed to go from HD to 4K, even for the same graphics or game so to speak. Couple that with the fact that people expect games to look better too.

Wooo, I bet PS4 games will never have looked so good. Apart from the 4 Pro rather than either of its overpriced "successors".

Hope for a disc drive, controllers that last longer than a fruit pastille and a smaller footprint.

@zupertramp why the fook is it about 'letting them off the hook'?

Jesus, they're making and selling games consoles, they're not in court dude.

Hopefully the next consoles have an impressive CPU. As I expect games to become more CPU intensive. Especially if specialized procedural generation is used to supplement gameplay (AI). The next xbox is rumored to be impressive and launch first. The next generation of consoles needs to launch as powerhouses with a lot of head room for years to come. Especially as more people have 4K tvs at home.

I'm not so sure, @themightyant. When the rumours that the NeXtBoX was coming in 2026 started to circulate, the rumours that there would be no mid-generation refresh for Xbox also started. That second rumour has gone from rumour to fact.

Microsoft have had a mid-generation refresh , every generation, starting with the 360. This is the first one to not have one since they started doing it. Now, firstly, if we are now to wait another 3 to 5 years before the PS6 releases (so 2 to 4 years after the Pro), then the Series consoles will be somewhere between 7 and 9 years old, and no match for the Pro. Remember too that the PS5 came out 4 years after the PS4 Pro, so 4 years is a fair bet. Factor into that the best place to play first-party Xbox games will be on the Pro (as will happen with Indiana Jones, for example), and Xbox will lose even further ground than they currently are.

Yes, it absolutely follows that if the NeXtBoX comes out in 2026, and the PS6 comes out 2 or 3 years later, that the NeXtBoX will only hold the title of World Most Powerful Console for a couple of years, but in truth, it was only on paper that the Series X is considered the most powerful, and look what good it has done them. Indeed, I'm sure Sony thought they were releasing a console worthy of that title when they released the PS5, and yet they were narrowly wrong, which goes to show that even releasing consoles in the same year, does not guarantee that title, and it could easily be Xbox that gets it wrong next time. Surely it would be better to definitively hold that title for 2 or 3 years, than not at all, or for the difference to be so negligible (as it is now) that it does not matter?

My money is still on 2026, and that it will be accompanied at launch by Gears of War: E-Day (amended! 😂), Perfect Dark, State of Decay 3 and Blade. Each of these games were the only ones to not have the Series X moniker attached to them at the recent Xbox showcase, and it makes perfect sense for the reason behind that to be because they are launch titles for the NeXtBoX. Unless you really think these games are upward of another 5 years away...

More games is welcome sony.we know the ps6 is in development.naughty have not made a new ps5 games this generation.word up son

@Fiendish-Beaver With Microsoft spending to become the biggest publisher in the world and making significant bank on that investment by having a multi-platform approach, Microsoft can afford to subsidize consoles.

With Sony spending its way to being the only console on the market and having to turn to PC to help with getting an ROI, Sony will be putting the price on the backs of consumers instead because it can't afford to subsidize.

But as long as Sony continues to have the great exclusives, who cares if it will cost $900 for the console, right?!

The only thing I am worried about is the price of PS6 lol
If the PS5 pro is focusing on better graphics and a stable frame rates at an increased price............ I am legitimately worried the PS6 will be close to £1000

"we’d expect it to be officially revealed in 2026 or 2027."

So it's possible it could be available to buy little more than a year after the PS5 Pro is?

Wtf.

A Intel in a Playstation that wouls have have been really weird.

Am I the only one getting old-school Sega flashbacks here? They just announced the PS5 Pro, and now suddenly there's rumors of the PS6? So that makes the Pro, what, a 32X basically? Why buy that when I can just wait for the Saturn!

Yes, I'm old.

@Fiendish-Beaver

E-Day is short for Emergence Day 😅 sorry I was a huge Gears nerd growing up I just had to point that out.

Couldn’t agree more though 2026 is most plausible. I remember Microsoft mentioning in 2020 they wanted a shorter console lifecycle this time and no mid-gen refresh.

Another reason the pro is even more pointless....even if you ain't got base ps5...may aswell wait for ps6 at this rate with the lack of games...and the fact many games are still releasing on ps4 lol

@GeeForce I doubt it. I would bet on 2028-2029 (also in the legal battle MS mentioned that)

@Fiendish-Beaver what was the mid-gen refresh on the 360? I know the had the original fat, the S and the E, but they were the same hardware in each, nothing was upgraded as far I can recall.

The next generation will start before this generation has even begun.

@SlipperyFish The SD cards will be way to expensive how much does a 500GB cost with things like COD installations.

@themightyant Is the series X not a powerhouse already. I think power is not the Xbox issue.

@get2sammyb That's right. Darn, Everytime I attempt sardonic sarcasm, I look like an idiot.

@McTwist Aside from a few tech wizards like Insomniac, Guerilla and ID Software, devs simply don't optimise anymore. They can shove a 75% finished game out there to 90% of its probable lifetime sales and save a significant chunk of change on optimising it. They may go back and finish the last 25% if they catch enough heat, but they rarely do. Square Enix are the absolute worst for this.

Therefore the PS5 base hardware is struggling with the recent jump in engine tech (especially to UE5) as the lazy dev approach they got away with in cross-gen games is butting up against the reality of the new tech.

Now they have PSSR to lean on so expect them to become even lazier at optimisation. Expect the base PS5 experience to get even worse going forward (less and less performance modes offered would be my guess).

Concord being revamped and scheduled for a PS6 release title.

I am looking forward to playing PS4 games on the PS6.

Good thing I didn’t jump on the PS5 Pro hype train and waste $700. I’ll wait for the PS7 Pro instead 😏

PS6 will cost 999$
Disc drive, SSD, Controller, Stand, Power chord - sold separately.
Will come carefully packed in a recyclable paper bag (eco friendly).
Simple package box will be available upon request for 20$ - custom one for 100$.

I think you are probably right, @tangyzesty. I believe they did contain basically the same guts...

@Flaming_Kaiser yes it would, but discs suck. It's kinda tough to decide whether I want to deal with all the annoyances of discs just to have physicals. There has to be another solution

With the way this generation has been, I won’t be jumping into the next generation until at least the PS6 Pro. I can see the cross generation being as long as this one has been, so I’ll just play through my backlog (which stretches to PS3) and by the time the PS6 Pro is coming, I should be just about ready!

GTA 6 will be releasing on the ps6,7 and 8

PlayStation-related news feel like they're selling me a whole line of toasters with no bread to put in.

Games, please.

Oh! That was a typo, @ScottyG. I promise you that you won't find a bigger Gears of War player than me! Indeed, I'm about 100th in the World as an Engineer in Gears 5. I have every collectible console that they have done, I have blankets, all the models, I even had to import the Collector's Edition of Gears 4 to the UK from the US because it wasn't released over here. I have all the books, and I have 2 of 500 Locust Busts they made.

I don't know how to attach my own photographs, but this is a link to the busts. I bought them directly when they were first made and paid £500 for each of them. This is a link to one being sold on eBay:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115990791007?_skw=locust+bust&itmmeta=01J7XGXGMF2ZR9BYQAC9M44M5K&hash=item1b0197035f:g:29UAAOSwYqhlYydh&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKmXQDRTxm7VVSC3hFQeCMFm4ZU6Nmgj1uIua6POMGHGAd0WcTd43iilOZWRZMFLf2Mae5fcdSlyRw8IMj%2FuiRKd%2BYSeYzML8UzEeNcdTwwO%2BlDiE3tXiYWXogHyW3fK7xWYzPM%2BvxjaqBRyhqdqafoBMv4PM2knQ%2B%2FU8rmLu190av5U0LEAjvnvsdHU5%2BxBLwn5D8jYGGxCf2Wj2N3tHted4bZwDUVGpVEqISLEvHg%2Fs2csDzTroDlf9H3AMsHbE%2FpEsXbmKxqjI5xdlBx8cNLHFeMYvWI8ZM4wEnHvmEjAtQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMqIr2sL9k

So, typo, I promise... 😂

the ps6 is pretty much already out … if you have a PC. what’s even the point anymore 😂 this gen has BARELY started! the ps5 feels like it’s in year 2 ! And sony’s releasing console “upgrades” as if it’s warranted especially at the price.

I don't disagree with your logic, @GamingFan4Lyf, but my money is still on 2026, and with the console costing at least £700, but more likely £750-£800. It could go above that, but I've not sure. I also think it entirely possible that that would be all digital, and don't think they will take the Sony route of disc drive add on...

Pathetic. They have the gall to fleece people for a PS5 pro and make a new console but they can’t even fix the current issues they have?

@themightyant

Technically you can then make the argument that for roughly the same money you are getting a far, far superior machine in comparison to the PS3.

@Akurusu

What are the current issues?

@Fiendish-Beaver

Wow that’s incredible, nice to meet a fellow fan. Wish you could’ve been there with us for the Gears of War 3 launch in Bellevue, WA. We went to the official Microsoft midnight release for the game and my buddy and I won the tournament they held. Got the Gears of War 3 edition Xbox 360

if the ps6 went with intel could it have been better? sure , but amd has been pretty good in the ps4 and ps5 , why mess that up now , and make it harder for ps4/ps5 games to work on the ps6? also having an intel chip in ps6 would drastically raise the price up even more.

@Blofse I can't speak for all three console manufacturers, but generally they actually don't start straight after launch of previous gen. They tend to take 3-4 years from early design to launch and tend to start "mid gen". Reason I've been told is that, you can't really predict chip 8 years in advance, and you can't really predict market either... so need to be a balance...

@Fiendish-Beaver I think Xbox will release in 2026 and PS will be a year behind. ^_^

Good if we lost back compat for ps4 and above, would have been the push for me to leave the ecosystem

Ngl I hope that they delay the next generation untill like 2029, so that some actual games actually release for the PS5 and so that the PS6 can have a much higher performance difference to the PS5 pro than it would of they launch in 2027.

@Pranwell I appreciate the reminder that this site is exclusively for glazing Sony. My bad, carry on.

You don’t need a Playstation, we have one already at home.

@nomither6 i mean if you really look at it , it kind of is. do you really count the pandemic years even though the console was released? game development was pretty minimal during the shut downs so we lost all that time for at least 1 1/2 to 2 years , people seem to forget the ps5 released during all of that.

I'm pretty sure planning on a new console starts almost immediately after a new one comes out. R&D takes time, lol.

But yeah, backwards-compatibility is pretty much an industry standard between XSX and PS5. One of the few really good things about this generation, frankly.

@Bingoboyop Calling it: The Last of Us Part I - Definitive Edition as a timed launch exclusive on PS6 in 2029. The wait will definitely be worth it.

@zupertramp This gen is a complete disaster. ‘PS5 has no games’ has become a deeply ingrained meme among casual gamers for a reason. From their perspective, there’s a new COD every year or so but not much to grab their attention until GTA VI, which is multiplat of course.

@roe i mean i don't think it was on their minds back then , they just wanted to create a powerful console , that's the biggest issue is they kept creating these crazy cpu's that made backwards compatibility especially for the ps3 extremely difficult. if they start the ps3 with an amd chip instead this wouldn't have even been an issue.

I'm so done with console gaming now. I'll play the rest of this current gen, but after that. I'm officially moving to PC.

still no word on back compat for psx-ps3 eh?

Only needs compatibility with PlayStation 4 as I only have a handful of PlayStation 5 only games

@nessisonett That meme would have weight if it was at all true. This year alone has seen at least 4 PS5 only games.

@GeeForce Of course not. How did you get that from that statement?

Reveal it I 27. Starting price £8-850

No Games
Digital Only
$1000 at launch
Final Destination

Christ, this comment section is utterly miserable. Feels like people only visit this site to complain these days. There are still plenty of great games out there people, maybe try playing some of them?

Why does it feel like Sony behaves like mid-late 90s Sega?? PS5’s potential hasn’t even been fully tapped yet and they suddenly think we will buy whatever unnecessary Pro console and suddenly bring PS6 into the mix …
Customers either like throwing money away or Sony is really disconnected from the fanbase.

@Ainu20
PS5 Pro is available November 2024.
Article suggests PS6 could be available 2026.
However unlikely, that could be as little as 14 months, unless my arithmetic sucks?

@evasdf That's what I want. Digital purchases and physical both.

@GeeForce It says it could revealed then, which first of all is complete speculation and seems incredibly unlikely, and secondly revealed is not the same as released.

I think in the first 3-4 years of PS6, all the games will be out on PS5 too.

@Ainu20
I did say unlikely.
PS5 Pro was revealed September, available November. PS6 possibly revealed January 2026, available March 2026?
15 months?
Just speculation based on the information provided.
You asked how I got to that, there it is.

I still have my Gears of War 3 360 console, @ScottyG, and still use the controllers that came with it. I had to queue up outside Game until midnight when the game was released in order to acquire one, and then got home at near 1 a.m. to start playing the game. Fun times!

I also have the Gears of War Xbox One console, the GoW3 Collector's Edition (the one with Marcus sitting on a rock), and the Gears 4 CE with the motorcycle. I also have a 4 foot by 2 foot canvas poster from the GoW3 era, but I'm yet to find the right frame for it, as it is really, really big!

Massive fan of the series. My friend and I usually go through every campaign in chronological order every couple of years, and always before the next game releases so as to fully remind ourselves of the story. It's going to be odd going back to the very beginning, and also pretty annoying in that the story for 5 was not finished.

As you say, it's always nice to find a fellow fan of the games...

Next Gen is looking very skippable at the minute. But might also be gen where there a much clearer break between ps5 and 6 with many ps6 exclusives that are heavily reliant on ray tracing.

@IntrepidWombat if sony continues to dishonor my purchases on ps3 ill just keep playing it while my ps5 collects dust. that system has been a wasteland as far as current gen games go and has primarily been a quieter ps4 for me.

I'm not so sure that Sony will only allow 3 years for the Pro to shine, @Kalime78. The PS4 Pro to Ps5 was 4 years, and I think they'll do that again...

@GeeForce There has never been a mere 2 month gap between the announcement and release of a new generation. The PS5 was released 19 months after it was first announced, thought that was a longer gap than usual.

What you are suggesting is so far removed from the spirit of the statement you quoted that it loses all meaning.

@Ainu20
Whatever, I'm done.

Going by your comment #99, you're looking for an argument.

Find someone else to rag on.

I think the PS6 would need to enable me to play PS1/2/3/4/5 games via download or disc for me to even consider to be honest. I haven't looked at many, if any, PS5 games and thought WOW, that is a lot better than PS4 so the next console would need to allow me to have libraries of games across all consoles (not just the games on PS Plus either) for me to want one.

@evasdf you'll have to keep playing your ps3 then, because its not happening any time soon if ever. also sony's been pretty up front about the ps4/ps5 not being able to play ps3 games.

Sweet! I’ll just plug in Sony’s personal heat sync so I don’t overheat!

https://www.sony.com.hk/reonpocket/en/

Keep making consoles Sony, never mind who moans on here or anyone else.
I want a top end console or as good as can be under my TV.

i said this on another article i'll say it again, hope people keep this same energy when sony does announce all their first party games that they've been working on. or are they all of the sudden going to forget most of this and act like they loved sony the whole time? i'm sure in a perfect world if there was no shutdowns and pandemic , we would have gotten games developed faster. but that didn't happen , and for them to release a console during a pandemic i feel like they've done a pretty good job navigating around it.

@GeeForce Maybe you're right, apologies if I came on strong. Now I'm the one contributing to the negativity.

@Ainu20
No worries.

If the drive will always be seperate now (it will be) then can we finally get the dream of full BC from PS1 to PS5. The CD license would only have to be paid on every disc drive sold compared to every console which should mean support can return.

As a mid age Millennial an all encompassing Playstation console that supports all generations would be a dream. Even if they do it just this one time it would mean so much. Hell while I'm dreaming why not throw in a crazy addon that supports Vita and PSP too lol.

Honestly I don't expect this to happen at all but it's kinda what I need to get back on the current gen system buying again. I did buy a PS5 slim but I sold it weeks later as I hated it and don't play games that need it. So I'm still on PS4 Pro and still have a hundred games I'd like to play.

It’s amazing that Sony is focusing on hardware while Nintendo is focusing on games that will squeeze their outdated machine. The PS5 had some success because there was the PS4 catalogue to discover for the people who missed that generation. But for the PS6, I don’t really see Sony building a game catalog to support that console. Not even mentioning the PS5 Pro that is really questionable.

Sticking with AMD makes sense, although I'm betting backwards compatibility still doesn't include the PS3...

And I'm amused by the people postulating that the PS5 hasn't been pushed to its limits yet, particularly the claim that it hasn't even hit 50% of its potential yet. What are we basing these statements on? Is everyone secretly electronic engineers? Did everyone dismantle the console, test the performance of each components, reassemble the console and run the most demanding games while tracking voltages and heat on the system to confirm the consoles still have a lot more power to give? Or are we just making stuff up and/or blindly parroting what someone else said?

Sony wouldn't have wanted this to slip out this week, not in the wake of the negative reaction to the PS5 Pro pricing. But realistically this is a way off. We're now feeling the slump off the back of Covid, hopefully things will have picked up by the time PS6 rolls around

@GamingFan4Lyf

With Microsoft spending to become the biggest publisher in the world and making significant bank on that investment by having a multi-platform approach, Microsoft can afford to subsidize consoles.
With Sony spending its way to being the only console on the market and having to turn to PC to help with getting an ROI, Sony will be putting the price on the backs of consumers instead because it can't afford to subsidize

What a load of absolute bunk. We know from financial releases that Gamepass total revenue is still at “almost $1b per quarter”(which is less than PS Plus makes, last quarter was $1.07b). Their first party software sales are awful due to gamepass. Starfield was the 37th best selling game in Europe last year and Forza Motorsport was somewhere around 300th. On Steam Forza motorsport Is estimated to have sold 94k and Hellblade 2 is at 79.9k (Ghost of Tsushima is at 686.7k having released a few months ago, not to mention Helldivers 7M+ on steam).

Sonys first party games make much more money, Ragnarok at 15m in a year, helldivers 12m in 3 months, Spider-Man 2 at 11m in 6 months etc.

Third party software sales on the platforms(which generate 30% royalties to the platform holder) are even more in Sony’s favour than last gen as the gap between the PS5 and series consoles(as a ratio) is bigger than any ever seen in the previous gen.

The only games that MS has that makes serious money are the ones they paid billions upfront to capture.

If Sony are struggling to make money this generation then you can bet everything you own that Xbox as a sector has never made a single profit all generation, and must be losing billions per year. They can’t subsidise anything, that’s why they’re releasing a $600 console variant, putting hardware prices up, putting gamepass prices up, scaling back gamepass tiers etc etc.

Maybe people will start to wake up to the current reality when Nintendo releases their $500 Switch 2 that’s barely able to play PS4 levels of fidelity

Clearly people aren't over the sticker shock of the Pro yet....

Sony sure seemsnto have shifted all those extra disc drives it had laying around though!

Backwards compatibility for what? 😂

@themightyant
"All I can say is it better have a disc drive!"
Absolutely not. Why should those of who consume digitally have to pay for a disc drive we don't need and that will be the most likely cause of a hardware failure?
It can have an add on disc drive for those of you still intent on destroying resources for no useful reason, don't force your nostalgia on the rest of us.
I normally agree with your posts and enjoy interacting with you, but your insistence that the rest of us must pay for kit we don't want or need just to suit your old narrative is clearly ill thought out and not justifiable.

@Medic_alert

'... I think we just have different models of console in the same eco-system that have different performance levels but no longer gate content behind a new piece of hardware.'

I mean, not really. Sure, there are more cross-gen titles today, but PS5 still 'gates' plenty of content from the PS4 - whether first or second party games like Spiderman 2, Returnal, Helldivers 2 etc., or third-party ones like Alan Wake 2 or Baldur's Gate 3. And this will only increase over the next few years. It will probably be the same with PS6 - to begin with, quite a few cross-gen games, but there will still be PS6 games you can't play on your PS5, which will grow in number over time. As long as there are consoles, there will likely still be generations and games 'exclusive' to each. Otherwise, new consoles would only ever be 'Pro' versions of preceeding ones, which manufacturers like Sony are well aware sell a small fraction of 'proper' upgrades.

@Fiendish-Beaver They have a mid gen refresh $600 for exactly the same machine but with 2TB. Oh and its white too, maybe hense the extra charge?

I'd advise Sony to release it end of 2028, let this gen have a bit more breathing room. Even if Xbox comes out in 2026, that wont be a true next gen experience, because it would come to soon. The specs available right now wouldnt make the difference that much bigger compared to the PS5 Pro(unless its very expensive).

If they're smart they should probably incorporate some sort of modularity in the console.

Maybe they could release with three tiers:

• The Standard base tier could be around RTX 5090 equivalent, but a bit underclocked, with AI and machine learning, DLSS4+ equivalent, AmD Zen 6 10 core CPU, 16GB ddr6 and 1TB gen 5 ssd for $599(assuming the 5090 has lowered in price by then, around mid range by end of 2028)
• Plus or Enthousiast tier could have the same as the Base, but with a fully clocked RTX5090, slight overclocked CPU with 12 cores instead of 10, 24GB ddr6 and 2TB instead of 1 for $699
• PS6 Pro could have the same as 2nd tier, but with a RTX 5090Ti or higher equivalent GPu, CPU with 16 cores, 32GB ddr6 and 2TB but Gen 6 ssd speeds for $799

This way they can target different price demographics.
Hehe, im just dreaming i know. But i like thinking about how Sony could strategize their moves

@ecurb7 I know that's the situation now but I don't think it will be a justifiable or viable business position in the future.

Why have half a generation where you can't sell a new game to over 50% of your customers - especially when there is little discernable difference between versions?

Of course hardware will eventually drop off the supported list but I think hardware will have more iterations - likely every 3 years or so but older models will be maintained as current longer.

Just my opinion/prediction but it has already started happening - Xbox do it already and PS4 is just refusing to die with releases continuing into 2025.

@ChrisDeku "Nintendo releases their $500 Switch 2 that’s barely able to play PS4 levels of fidelity"

And, yet, release games that have more creativity and charm than Sony (barring Astro Bot - which is the best thing Sony has put out in years) and Microsoft put together despite not being a graphical powerhouse.

Though I doubt it will be $500. It will probably still be in the $300 sweet spot as it doesn't even need to be that much more powerful than a Switch with (presumably) Nvidia AI technology handling most of work. More RAM and a better CPU is about all it needs. Nintendo would have a hard time with a $500 price point (I know I wouldn't pay it).

Personally, I don't care anymore.

Microsoft can continue tearing its console gaming division apart and become the next SEGA and Sony can continue to bend its customers over a barrel (and get defended for it because it's PlayStation) - I have moved on to an open ecosystem where I am not bound by the shackles of...whatever those companies decide to do with their player bases.

@BlaizeV I would not be able to stand the noise a PS5 Pro makes anymore.

@Titntin Publishers want to kill physical games because they do not make any money from the used-game market. That's the one and only reason.

@themightyant Wow, 35% digital AND 65% digital. No Physical at all then? You might want to correct that....

...and I don't think you need worry that there will not be an option for discs, back compatibility seems to be a major bullet point for them and you can't do that as successfully without a disc.
The fact you have to go back some time to try and kid yourself the majority want physical is very telling. I'm afraid you are in the minority, but it's a very vocal shouty minority if you inhabit the online space.

I went digital in the PS4 era and my PS5 has seen one physical PS4 game - and only then so I could claim a digitally updated version of the game. No regrets at all, the best decision I ever made to dump all the endless shelves of hardly touched media charting my ridiculous spending habits! I dumped all my music then too - 2000 LP's and about 1200 CD's as well as all my blu rays and films. Everything on a digital server that's backed up daily to the cloud. My house literally has about 25% more space and air in it now, I never play the 'hunt the disc' game and none of my media stutters because of an errant scratch on the disc. Its so much better on so many levels - FOR ME of course!

@Owyn maybe from all the backlash they had about no build in disk for the ps5 pro will change sony mind and include one in the ps6..

@themightyant Sony don't set the prices of third party software and have almost no ability to influence without getting hammered by anti-trust investigations.

The price of software(and how quickly and deeply it is discounted) is determined by how competitive the market is. The market here is a single specific ecosystem, the main competitors for your software is the competing software products on the same system. Thats why software by Sony and MS is discounted quite often and deeply, because they have very competitive software markets on their systems. Nintendo on the other hand face almost no competition from third party games on the Switch, that’s why their prices stay high. The main competing products for Nintendo first party games are other Nintendo first party games(sony games compete with GTA, Red Dead Redemption, FIFA, CoD etc. etc.)

@Fiendish-Beaver It really depends on what Xbox will do, if they launch early they will force PS hand. they wont let Xbox on the market for a year alone, they learned their lesson from X360 ^_^

@twitchtvpat true, i keep forgetting about covid lockdown

@themightyant
Yeah, with the current price of PS5 and Pro I think end of 2028 is likely - 2027 seems early unless they want PS6 to £700-800 for the standard console or not much more powerful than PS5 Pro.

@GamingFan4Lyf I just cant see the Switch 2 releasing for $299, but hey anything can happen

@ZeroSum it doesn't. it sounds like they are trying something, but idk how far its going to go , and if its going to live up to what people think it should be. i love the ps3 , so i'll always keep my console around so i can play those games , but if they went with amd instead of the fancy emotion chip , it would have been way easier to develop for , and bc wouldn't be an issue.

@GamingFan4Lyf honestly if they came out with a 499 switch 2 and it was a pretty big upgrade over the switch i'd be all for it. they could keep the normal switch for people that don't need the bells and whistles , i doubt those people would care about fps in a nintendo game , but some people do.

This just makes the PS5 Pro even less worth it, we will probably get the PS6 in 2027, the PS5 has still barely been squeezed for its power the only games that run badly are the ones badly made, and heck the Last of us 2, God of war and Red dead redemption 2 are the best looking next gen games and they are last gen games... If the PS5 game developer can't deliver graphics better than a bunch of 2018 games what's going on?

@simondud1 if its revealed in 2027 it won't come out till 2028 at the earliest. maybe 2029 at the latest.

Other than the hard-drive (and colour), @Titntin, it's not a mid-generation upgrade and you know it! Where's the boost in performance? You're just tryin' to be cheeky! 🤣

Announcing a $700-800 console one week, then start off the following week by discussing the one after that...yikes lol

@simondud1 You say those are the best looking next gen games, but you forgot a couple. I'll help you out:
Demon souls, Spiderman miles morales, Spiderman 2, Resident evil village, Returnal, Ratchet and clank rift apart, Horizon forbidden west, Gran turismo 7, God of war Ragnarok, Callisto protocol, Final fantasy 16, Robocop rogue city, Resident evil 4, Alan wake 2, Avatar frontiers of pandora, Black myth: wukong

Dont worry, lots of people seem to keep forgetting there are lots of good looking games this gen. Or they just choose to not acknowledge them

@simondud1 @McTwist
To be fair PS5 'juice' has been generally 'sqeezed' flat out for the last couple of years - its just that in a lot of (but not all) cases third party devs dont put enough thought or effort into platform specific optimisation (or dont have the ability to do so), that Sony 1st Party do.

eg they use resource intensive systems, engines, or graphical effects, which PS5s just are not powerful enough to handle properly, or without a major hit to performance or visual quality.

They target powerful PCs to give them something flashy to advertise, even though they know the PS5 or average PC versions will not look close or will perform like slideshows.

When more games move to UE5 this will only get much worse as for what you get, it is incredibly resource hungry (mostly on GPU i think).

In the case of Sony 1st Party - in the most part, they have been running the PS5 properly optimised and flat out, all gen - the insomniac games, GOWR, HFW, GT7 and others push the PS5 as far as it can be, except in a few cases like GOWR in terms of load speed.

@twitchtvpat @LogicStrikesAgain I think it would be a tough sell with PS5 and Series X still on the market for the same price and significantly more capable.

I think Nintendo is going more for that Series S price point market. $299 is still very achievable - given that the Switch is based on...what...2012 hardware. I seriously doubt the Switch 2 will be based on "latest and greatest", either.

A Switch 2 will be more powerful simply by virtue of the passage of time and how CPUs have become more efficient and can do more at even the cheaper end than the current Switch.
Plus, RAM is cheaper per GB than before.

I could see Nintendo (and Nvidia) shooting for the same native resolution as the current Switch for GPU power just with some Tensor cores for DLSS capabilities to push a 4K image so it looks cleaner on a TV than the previous model - again, just by virtue of chips being more efficient, it will be an "automatic" upgrade over current technology.

Plus, the biggest complaint with the Switch from third-party developers wasn't the GPU, it was the 3.5 GB of usable RAM for games and the weak CPU.

I think $499 is just a hard sell given that Nintendo markets to a broader audience. $399 at the absolute "worst price". Maybe $349?!

I dont know man, it might be. I just cant see it happening right now, but hope to be surprised. If i had to guess it will be around $399. At its cheapest $349

Edit: But hey i was way off with the Pro, so what do i know

@Frmknst you are exaggerating. There were FF16 and FF7 Rebirth, so poorly optimized for the next-gen console that you need to pay $700 to get the next-gen experience that Sony promised. Sarcasm appart, yeah Sony should think about building a quality catalog (like Nintendo) rather than chasing high performance.

LOL right on the heels of $700 minor upgrade PS5 Pro we start getting PS6 is already deep in development. Yeah, it'll be PS5 Pro Plus all over again. Tech doesn't leap every other year like it did in the PS2 days. They're going to crank out new consoles in 2 or 3 years, and the tech isn't going to be much further along than it is for the pro. If the best they can do in 2024 is 45% over the PS5 and a proprietary upscaler for $700, WTF can they do in 2-3 years at a price people will actually pay that's noticeably better? Not much. They either have to wait forever for PS6, eat a lot of costs, or charge an obscene fortune that brings us back to "it's just a PC without choice."

@BNAG_Gamer there is no chance in hell the ps6 will cost anywhere near that. They can't lose the casual gamer. Ps5 pro costs that much because it's directed at a very specific audience. It's by no means indicative of how much ps6 is going to cost.

@NEStalgia According to rumours Xbox is gonna come with a console in 2 years. Sony i hope, will wait till end of 2028.

They couldnt change too much for the Pro, cause they have to use the same architecture for compatibility issues.

End of 2028, AMD Zen 6 with a RTX5090 equivalent card -which will probably be around midrange by end of 2028- will be a significant step up from the Pro. Coupled with a DLSS4+ equivalent (PSSR 3.0)

@LogicStrikesAgain Yeah, Sony is kind of in a box with the Pro because if MS launches in 2026, and I think they might, Sony either has to wait and give them space to ride roughshod over the 5Pro for years, or they rush to counter the new Xbox, demonstrating that their mid-gen consoles are truly wastes of money and dampens their ability to pull the same trick. If they wait 2 years they may actually cede ground during that time. They can make it up with then being the more powerful box, but I'm guessing if it goes that way we've got one foot into consoles being the phone model with semi-annual refreshes to keep up.

I'm not sure 5090 equiv will be anywhere near midrange by 2028 though if the NV30 to NV40 "jump" and NV40 to NV50 rumors pan out. That rate of change is really slow these days. And AMD is well behind Nvidia at that high end and not even intending to build against it for at least a while. So far Blackwell sounds underwhelming, but it's still rumors.

@Ralizah Didn't Cerny just say they can develop hardware faster than games?

@NEStalgia Well even if the jump of architecture slows down. If the rtx5090 releases next year in 2025, it must have atleast come down in price 3 years later. For an equivalent, or maybe a bit under, to be used in the PS6. It might not tho, but one can hope hehe

@NEStalgia Also, if Xbox releases a new console in 2026, i dont think the difference in specs compared to the Pro would be all that mindblowing. Severely dampening the true next gen claims from Xbox. I mean what could they achieve by then? An equivalent of a rtx4090? If thats even possible? It would be amazing, but considering the PS5 Pro is around 4070 level, than that isnt really the big leap people would be expecting i think.

But yeah strategically speaking, it might be the better move for Xbox. Instead of taking Sony head on again with a simultaneous next gen release in 2028. Still think 2026 is too early, maybe 2027 would be better. They would still have a one year headstart. And have a much larger increase in tech available to them. Will be very interesting to see what these companies will do.

Ya I'll wait for the ps6 pro. Playing dragon age origins on my ps3 at the moment and it's soo good I can't put it down! Haven't felt like this in years about a game. I think since bloodborne. I thought it was just me getting old but now I think it might be that games were just better back then. Oblivion is next on my list 😀

See you in 2029 😂

BC for PS6? Thanks Sony. I'm looking forward to playing PS5-remakes of PS4-ports of PS3-remasters of PS2-originals.

@LifeGirl nice damage control by keighley. i haven't double checked those numbers... but even if true, those consoles had NUMEROUS MSRP price drops within a few years of release. the slim lines in particular got even cheaper. we will likely not get a single price drop on the ps5. where is the logic in buying into that argument about launch prices?

@themightyant not only that. all those consoles keighley listed got significant price drops a few years into their life cycle...meanwhile the ps5... well, you know the rest...

All i know is GTA7 wont be in the PS6

@Porco Not sure Keighleys numbers even control the damage well. The only consoles by his own chart more expensive than PS5 and PS5 Pro were the catastrophic market failure of the launch PS3, and the OG PS1 from the dawn of tech gadgets when things should have been more expensive, and that got a huge sales boost by being a CD player for less money than most component CD players of the era. PS5 and Pro are simply expensive consoles, full stop. And Keighley just announced so while trying to play marketing guy.

@LogicStrikesAgain These days the GPUs aren't coming down in price so much even when they're old. I'd priced 30xx cards when I was building thinkin, I'd be happy staying a gen behind, but what I found was the price difference didn't really make sense to not just go with 40xx versions and get all the benefits. I figure I'll wait until NV60 to upgrade. And hopefully be able to work my way down to "mid tier" and not stay up at that flagship tier forever, as I don't think there's huge benefits in the flagships for long at the current rate. Only reason I'm even going that high is because I'm deep into VR, and we're still at a point where 4090 is inadequate. I'd never actually recommend 4090s or 5090s for anyone not planning to use it with high res future VR headsets needing 8k+ res, and trying to brute force things like Elden Ring in VR. It's such ridiculous overkill. But still anemic for high end VR.

One thing I think could change the game is if Xbox went with NVidia. There were rumors, not sure if they're true. PS6 being AMD bound will hurt a little because AMD is not putting resources into matching 4080/4090/5080/5090/ All their R&D focus is into the very profitable midrange and building marketshare, so I don't think the PS6 (and maybe neXtbox) is going to be able to benefit from any high-end AMD GPU designs for a long while. Not that I think that's a bad thing. At this point developers are going bankrupt trying to make games that push current consoles and midrange cards. THey don't need more, they need less and need to dial back the game's costs. A rollback on tech might be good for the development side of the industry. The flagship cards can be for special purposes more than just for "getting the max out of games" - things like VR, productivity work, video editing etc.

@themightyant The existence of physical games has no effect on the price of a first party game, a digital copy and a physical version of the same product are not competing products. The prices are set by the same company, they can just raise both of them simultaneously. The price is determined by competitive market factors, ie the existence of competing products(other games made by other companies)

Eh, it's only natural they are developing the PS6.

I am baffled by the blatant use of the "no games" meme in a year where the discourse has been pretty much completely dominated by PlayStation exclusives like Rebirth, Stellar Blade and Astro (all potentials goty imho). And it's a platform that also has been graced by every relevant multi-platform game and has even started receiving ports of his major competitor's exclusives in 2024. Some people really want to hate at all costs

@NEStalgia yea, i'm not sure when or why keighley became that face of the entire gaming industry and the "voice of reason"? . it's odd to me that he would even get into the ring and defend this. we could just as easily create a chart of those console prices at their mid-life and end-life cycle to make a point. i think that would be eye opening to many people.

they were selling "psone" consoles for $49USD MRSP in 2002! with inflation, that is just $79USD! the console had a price reduction of 83% at end of life which boggles the mind. while i'm not expecting anything even remotely similar with modern gaming consoles, i sure as hell expected to see the ps5 with a $50-100 reduction by now.

i found a neat wiki which documents all the price cuts of various consoles over history:
https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Price_cuts#PlayStation_1_price_cuts

the one thing we can say with certainty is: with the exception of the switch and the current gen consoles, every other console in history received a price cut (sometimes multiple) within a year or two of being on the market. that's just how it works with outdated tech and efficiencies on the production line. people are enabling sony to get away with this is what is most shocking to me.

and yes, you are absolutely right that sony underpriced the original ps1 considering the era and how advanced the technology was for the time. it appears that all the market leaders no longer want to subsidize or pass on the savings (from manufacturing/part efficiencies) to the customer like they used to. not sure why because more players in the ecosystem would net sony even higher margins in the grand scheme of things. i have a hunch that sony would still be in the green even with a price reduction of $100-125USD on the base ps5 slim.

They need backwards compatibility on the PS6 because they only have 5 (?) exclusive PS5 games this gen. Not really much for them to remaster. Unless they start remastering the remasters. This gen has been such a dud.

@NEStalgia Well you're right, prices are indeed lowering very slowly nowadays. But that only reinforces my thoughts that a 2026 release of the next Xbox isnt a good idea. Even if they go with Nvidia, they would probably be deep in development by now, they must have chosen their GPU already if it launches in 2 years? I mean, the RTX4090 costs like $1600. Can you imagine that thats the card thats going to be in the next Xbox? As of the now, i really cant. To be truly next gen, i would advise Xbox to wait atleast another year till 2027

Nobody needs a new Xbox or PS6, jeez. Both MS and Sony need to actually utilise and give some returns on their existing machines, that aren't even being flexed fully as yet, not even close. If they release new consoles in 2-3 years time, what an absolute waste the current 'next gen' would have been. FFS, just get some actual bloody first party games out that push the hardware and give people what they bought these damn machines for in the first place. Personally, I'm planning to switch to not buying new consoles at launch, and waiting for the 'Pro' versions - seems a more sensible way to pick up the new iterations.

@LogicStrikesAgain Yeah no 4090s are exotics even in the performance pc world, so I don't see either console getting that performance even if it's 2028. People really underestimate just how powerful the 4090 is and how insane overkill it is for just about anything. For high end VR looking at >8k res and 90+fps, for everything yeah we need to get a lot more advanced than it and for less than that price, but for pancake gaming, seriously nobody really should be buying them and consoles don't need them.

I otherwise agree, Gen 9 launched way too early, and gen10 shouldn't repeat the mistake (but will). Ms lost all momentum on Series and I think it's a developmental dead end for them now if their future is more PC based with custom interfaces. I figure handheld in 2025, IDK if they can afford to wait years and years for their next platform. It'll be interesting. I think it'll be pricy, Phil already talked about the end of subsidies and rising cost of hardware. But the crazy price of the pro for what you get really is a gift to Microsoft I think.

@Porco I think keighly decided he was the face of the industry and Sony knew they had a gold dipped Muppet and helped roll the red carpet out for him.

Everyone hates Phil Spencer but he did talk about the end of Moore's law, the fact the manufacturing prices don't come down anymore, that the subsidy model is ending and people have to get used to paying higher prices than they're used to on consoles, so I expect the same from Xbox. It makes some sense but I think the industry is so stuck on milking whales they can't quite make out at what point they're too close to PC pricing to be relevant. For now they're below enough that there's the people defending it and the people switching to PC. If the prices go higher next time that attrition will continue.

As for Sony discounts. They're the only game in town in most towns. They can charge anything. But we also have to consider who the modern ps customer is. It's not people buying gow and got. It's people pumping money into fortnite and NBA. It's a pretty box for mouth breathers to feed their addiction. We're the old school that aren't too relevant to their majority market anymore and that explains a lot of their pricing ideas. Meanwhile they're selling less but making more off the whales.

It wouldn't make sense to release it before 2028. CPU technology has been stagnating over the last several years, which means Sony wouldn't be able to deliver a significant leap before then.

And even by 2028, the leap wouldn't be so great. If you think the Pro is expensive, adjust your expectations for the PS6 pricewise.

@MrMeeeseeeks idk its almost like these consoles were released during a pandemic or something. im pretty sure by the time ps6 comes out they'll have alot more then 5 games.

PS6 $900 with no disc drive or verticle stand.

Can't wait to play a PS6 remaster of a PS5 game that was a PS4 remaster that was a sequel to a PS3 games from a PS2 game!

Glad I'm not the only one not content with the amount of first party titles Sony has released this gen...

Watching that PS5 Pro announcement and seeing the Last of Us 2 for the hundreth time was so annoying.

Move on Sony, or bring us part 3. (Better yet, Factions!)

Going all in on live service then back tracking has destroyed the PS5 first party output.

To me this sounds like the ps3 all over again.
The ps3 had hardware emulation in the 20 and 60 models with software emulation in the 80, might have the models wrong. But adding the ps2 hardware both expensive and problematic which limited ps3 sales. Perhaps I'm wrong but I am not sure Sony is focusing on the most important thing, games. Without games that show off what the hardware can do, few people are going to rush to get a ps6. Right now I think about half of the people on psn are still using the ps4 or lower.

Needs to be backward compatible with PS4 games.

@BNAG_Gamer if it releases as early as 2027 and spec wise be significant enough to be better than the PS5 pro then it will undoubtedly be around £1000 if not more

People all seemingly want to have their cake and eat it, better specs, lower price AND as early as 2027??

I honestly think it will be 2029 and target a £600 price point, that will give enough time to allow a large enough distance and tech performance for £ specs to become economically viable

@Ralizah absolutely can't wait to play it and Horizon Zero Dawn definitive remastered edition especially since poor sony doesn't have any IPs apart from tlou and Horizon.

Every new console starts getting developed after the latest one is finished.

@Nei I don't get it either, I must be living in some alternative universe where the PS5 is drowning in great games. Both this year and 2023 have seen numerous fantastic releases on the platform.
Yes, first party output is not where we'd like it and yes, some of the best games are available on other platforms as well. But does that really matter? You're still getting that entire catalogue on your PS5.

Just these two years combined we've seen (take a breath): Spider-Man 2, Baldur's Gate 3, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, Alan Wake 2, Jedi Survivor, Dead Space, Lies of P, Diablo 4, Final Fantasy 16, Armored Core 6, Sea of Stars, Cocoon, Resident Evil 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Octopath Traveler 2, Remnant 2, Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, Black Myth Wukong, Astro Bot, Helldivers 2, Dragon's Dogma 2, Granblue Fantasy: Relink, Shadow of the Erdtree, Like a Dragon Gaiden: The Man Who Erased His Name, Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth, Tekken 8, Animal Well, Balatro, ... and, well I'm going to stop now.

"PS5 has no games". I guess if you don't like any of the above, but then maybe it's time to switch hobbies.

Stuck in the past no new games no new ideas developers block?

Playstation 6 digital version £750 (excl stand and disc drive)

@Fiendish-Beaver
Guilty as charged mate!
My point is obviously with xbox charging $600 for an old design with no updates except 2tb strorage, a newer more performant PS5 with 2tb at $700 doesn't look over priced.
I'd agree that 90% of people wont need the upgraded performance, but those of us who will appreciate the better image quality and even more games running at 60hz, will welcome the choice, especially if they can afford it!

What will it be price at? £1700? and SSD and dualsense sold seperaly. 😂

@Ainu20

These people want platform exclusives that validate their only hardware purchase and can be thrown in the faces of their online antagonists who own "the other one". They are stuck in the console fanboy forums of the 2000s.

They are running a fool's errand. All these systems run off the same architecture nowadays, and the cost of game dev has grown to where the overwhelming majority go multiplatform to recoup costs.

The list you typed out from just the last two years is impressive. This isn't the "worst gen ever" by a long stretch. I'd personally give that accolade to the PS3/360 one (especially from a technical standpoint), although I suppose it depends upon your age and when your memberberries were seeded.

@McTwist You are correct, I believe. I still want to do a first run of RDR2 and Bloodborne. I am 50 years old and a new gamer. Think about all of the young gamers that haven’t played these games. Please wake up and remake these games.

@breakneck Dude... the message was to Sony, not push square.

@Yagami Switch games exist, don't they? The best games, the most creative games were made when limitations existed.
I am sure developers can cope. We got more than enough power already.

I really hope PS6 have these things:
1. Backward with PS4 & PS5 games
2. Disc drive by default
3. At least 1 TB size for the standard edition
4. White color bundle by default like PS5
5. More 3rd party kids games from Outright Games / Microids / Merge Games / etc
6. Backward with PS1, PS2, PS3 games in disc if possible.
7. The price is not more than USD 700

@Rob3008 given that seemingly about half of PS4 owners haven't even bothered to buy a PS5 (almost 4 years in), I don't think we need worry about PS6 anytime soon. The fact that you can count "first party" PS5 exclusives almost on one hand halfway through the generation, a little more concerning... (edit - not including remakes/remasters)

@Nem
Lots of games on the switch look good and are designed well, but they suffer due to the hardware they are on. Any game on the switch is automatically like twice as good when emulated on a PC with real hardware. Considering lots of switch games go for a more cartoony/cel shaded look, it´s a travesty that the console itself barely puts out 1080p at 30 FPS, because the visuals scale incredibly well

If we´re being realistic, lacking hardware just leads to worse games as most devs aren´t good enough to cope and ***** publishers don´t allow enough time or resources for this coping to even happen

@Titntin not quite the right comparison - the usd600 'Galaxy Black' XB also comes with a drive.... and doesn't need a stand. So the fair comparison is $600 vs about $800... (edit - and don't get me started on Aussie prices) and yes, even at that, it might be reasonable depending on how the performance translates to actual gameplay improvements - when you filter it by cost-to-developer and whether they think an extra mode is worth it (for a small install base). Jury's out I think as to the ultimate value.

What a stupid console generation. No new ideas, no great new ip. That's why I haven't bought a ps5 yet and I may never buy one.

Have IQ's dropped? If anyone believes when Sony says Backwards Compatibility is key, and this confirms that future hardware will feature a disc drive, you haven't been paying attention. Sony's version of "BC" means buying digital versions of games you have collecting dust on PS1, 2 & 3 discs....

@twitchtvpat people keep saying there's no games due to the pandemic and whatever else, yet 3rd party studios seem to be able to bang out game after game. It's piss poor management that is the reason there's no 1st party stuff, on either side. Cancellation of many games that were originally live service to milk the audience further, no smaller sized "miles morales" type stuff to fill any gaps while waiting for the big releases. It's bad management, and misplaced priorities. Nothing else.

@Northlander Or it just means that PS4/5 games you already own will continue to be playable, just like PS4 games on PS5. Though I would not at all be surprised if the PS6 is discless by default with an attachable drive sold separately.

@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare
Not a fair comparison to me. I'm all digital on Xbox too, so I don't want or need a drive or a stand - so I would indeed need the white edition with no disc drive and still only 1tb of storage.
That cosmic black edition looks horrid, like someone just covered it in space dust, but it does indeed have a drive and 2Tb. However my Series X is just about to go on ebay, so I'm soon to be an EX boxer..
Its been the most disappointing console I've ever owned and I've owned pretty much everything since I bought an atari 2600 on release in 1977 when I was 13. Initially I had to import many of them (such as the PC engine hand held) as the west simply didnt have much of a video game scene back then. To be fair to the Xbox it might have had more use if my wife could handle the controllers, but she wont play with them as the left stick is too high for smaller hands so she has to rotate the hand and then horizontal movements become diagonals etc. I also dropped GP a year ago as I believe it devalues full price games at a time when some of my old dev mates are losing their jobs and the industry is having major issues - entirely my choice and I try not to soap box about that.

As for value for PS5 pro - well thats something thats different for everybody. What I'd choose to spend might be well above what someone else is prepared to spend, because to me, even slight improvements are very welcome and games are still a huge part of my life. I've also recently changed the main TV in my living room and 30 fps titles that were OK to play on my previous telly are now headache inducing and I wont play them. I need as many 60hz options as possible!
Obviously people are currently judging based on early youtube footage and not waiting for some proper material to see what the differences are. They still might not be different enough for many people, but they will be for me! I'm pre ordering the moment I get the chance. With the funds from selling the Series X and from my original PS5 with an extra 2TB drive (I'll keep my second digital one), I won't need to find much money to finance the PS5 pro.
I suspect many will not see the value, but there are still many people who want the best and for whom £700 is chump change, so I expect it will sell within forecasts. Maybe %10 of install base by close of this gen. Despite peoples open hostility, this will do fine. People were ridiculously hostile to the Portal too, but that sold like hot cakes and is a great little device for those of us that use it.

Sorry dude - waffle post!

@Bingoboyop Don't forget about Marathon and Fairgames. They'll sit nicely alongside all of the Chinese gachas coming to PS5.

@Northlander if you have those games sitting around collecting dust , either you just want them around for memories or you have no real plans to ever really play them again and should have sold them years ago when they were actually worth money.

@nookie_egg its one of many reasons why its taking so long , but the ps4 era wasn't any different either. it took sucker punch 6 years between infamous second son and ghosts. i mean we all want these games to come out soon , and they've been working on them for a few years already so hopefully we'll hear about them soon.

Can we actually have the PS5 prove itself first? I feel like I've spent more than 80% of my time on the PS5 playing old PS4 games.

@LifeGirl Inflation is one thing, but the wages haven't been raised at the same rate, that is what's making the Pro's price so ridiculousy high. Plus the fact it's a recession going on, at least here in Europe.

Not interested as I cannot see it being cheaper then £650 to £700 at launch now. It will be more powerful than the PS5 Pro.
I'll stick to PS5, Steam Deck and Switch 2.

Plus Sony's idea of games this gen has been utterly atrocious! The best ones I've played on PS5 has been Dead Island 2 so third party, and God Of War Ragnarok which is on the PS4 too!! In fact apart from COD and those two I've not played much else on it.

@Fiendish-Beaver you ARE a fan! I love the series too and would be incredibly happy if it came to PlayStation. May even grab a cheeky next gen Xbox to play them on.

@Ralizah Doesn't $700 to buy a DLSS-alike scaling module addon for your PS5 make Fairgames and Chinese gatchas seem so much more awesome though? It's like the Sega 32x, it makes SFII run in higher res, except you actually have to insert coin just like the real arcade version!

@Titntin no probs - and I think while I was pretty well dismissive of the Pro (at that price, without a drive - because I do collect and have a lot of legacy games on disc), I think one of the problems is that the marketing (the 9 min NOT-technical presentation) was horribly bad... and to be honest, I've felt that all PlayStation marketing has gone down the tubes since the PS5 released. There's enough information out there to suggest the advantages are much more complex than presented, but I don't expect Sony to put any effort into selling it further.

The one thing I'd say - I definitely support your stand on GP... my view is that it devalues games. You can of course argue without an (extra) barrier to entry, a lot of smaller games get much more visibility. I'm sure that's true... but I also think, even for the indie market, it then becomes a patronage system in terms of MS. I think for bigger tent-pole releases, the idea of considering them almost like F2P is quite risky for the gaming business - because at some point, people may just stop paying for the games, and then we're totally at the whim of the platform holders. Of course- everyone still keeps up the best deal in gaming mantra - whilst so many decent to good games are kinda struggling. For me - the games I've played the most this year have all been ones that I've bought outright, and not through a subscription. It's the wrong way of looking at it, but for me subscription games tend to be 'win me over in 1-2 hours, or uninstalled'; because it doesn't cost me any more other than temporary storage and time to sample. I know I just don't value those 'free' games as much as ones that I've purchased myself.

@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare
Agreed my freind, both on the poor marketting and how we think GP affects how we game.

Sony would have been better waiting to announce with a sop or show that could demonstrate advantages and software in more depth, and then maybe Cerny could have held a more technical deep dive. I'd assume they figured the sop might be too near release day and we all needed time to absorb the price information so that those of us prepared to buy can save up or arrange a new mortgage!
Nice to talk with you 😊

@Yagami

Are they?
Looking at console and software sales most people can't seem to tell.

1080p was never a necessity for games to be fun. Limitations lead to creativity and ingenious solutions. Relying only on the hardware to carry you is lazy and shows the problems with developers nowadays. Rather than optimise the game, they want the hardware to carry it's performance.

@Nem I mean have you played a game at more than 720p 30fps?

@SlipperyFish I don't believe that cardridges would be able to fix the problem these things are way to expensive.

Even the releases on the Switch are games that are only on a cardridge for a part and the rest is downloaded maybe with the new Switch they will show a solution im really interested in that because games are not getting smaller.

@Flaming_Kaiser a lot of publishers are too lazy, there are plently of tiny games on switch that require downloads for no reason and don't even have a cartridge in the box.
The max for a switch cartridge is 32GB so I can believe there are a lot of games exceeding that, even though none of the ones I currently have do

People are always shocked by how many people prefer digital, and to me it's just pretty obvious, physicals kinda suck and haven't had any technological upgrade since the PS3 introduced blu-ray.

I'm not saying it has to be cartridges but I just hope someone out there develops some new physical media

Lol. Just imagine all the remasters/remakes of PS5 games, that Sony will sell during the PS6 generation.