
If the rumours are to be believed, the next Xbox is not a console – at least, not in the traditional sense.
Various reports from reliable websites such as Windows Central and The Verge have hinted that Microsoft’s future hardware plans include a successor to the Xbox Series X|S which functions similarly to a PC.
While it’s all hearsay right now, the idea is that said system would include access to various storefronts, including Steam and the Epic Games Store. In fact, a leaked user interface which circulated during GDC appeared to prove this point.
Now everyone’s wondering what that would mean for Sony.
As many of you already know, the Japanese giant has been porting many of its biggest games to the PC, and selling them on storefronts like Steam and the Epic Games Store. In theory, if Microsoft unlocks access to those plazas, you’d be able to play the likes of God of War Ragnarok and The Last of Us 2 on an Xbox.
But there are caveats to consider here: assuming the rumours are accurate, the next Xbox does not sound like a console at all – it sounds more like a pre-built PC. Installing the likes of Steam and Epic Games Store would circumvent Microsoft’s own ecosystem, so even if you could download and play Sony games via those venues, you’re not really playing them on an Xbox at all.
That may sound like semantics, but it’s an important distinction: if this is truly the direction the Redmond firm wants to take its hardware business, then it’s going to need to deal with the implications opening up its walled garden will allow.
For example, it’ll be hard for the firm to force players to pay to play online when alternative options are available.
Similarly, console makers tend to adopt a razor blades model: selling hardware at a subsidised price point in order to reap rewards from software sales. It’ll be difficult for Microsoft to justify that if a chunk of its money is going to Epic or Valve.
That’s not to mention potential compatibility issues that could also occur.
Back to the topic of how Sony would respond, it’s perhaps worth noting it did block Xbox players from streaming its games with GeForce Now on Xbox. Could it potentially do the same with its Epic Games Store or Steam ports?
It’s a problem the platform holder may have to eventually wrestle with.
Fans are undecided on the matter.
In our poll, around 35% argued it’s possible Sony could try to block its PC ports from running on an Xbox PC, but 28% thought the company wouldn’t. The majority, 36%, were unsure – suggesting we need more details to make an educated guess.
The community at Pure Xbox is also split. Some in the comments mentioned it’s possible Sony may try to block its ports on Microsoft hardware, while others pointed out that sales are sales, and PlayStation will probably happily pocket the money.
From our perspective, we reckon it seems unlikely. The next Xbox simply sounds like a pre-built PC, and as Sony has no issue flogging games to that market, we’re not entirely sure why it would prevent sales on one specific piece of hardware.
What do you think?
[source windowscentral.com, via theverge.com]
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I think Sony should just allow this if it happens. The "console" will be the like Steam Deck in that sooner or later the games won't run well on it so its not like every Sony PC release will be playable on it. Just let it happen Sony get the good PR it will earn you while you settle being the "victor" of the console war and enjoying MS giving you every game they release. This way both sides win and can be happy.
It would be extremely petty of Sony to block them. But Sony has been known to be petty so…
They will 100% do it. they didn’t even want cross play with M$ at one point, and they can’t be bothered with sharing any of their exclusives with xbox right now. The new xbox just sounds like a glorified modern console and what the first OG xbox was - A pc in a small box.
Also its smart for M$ to do this, just like playstation kicked nintendo out of the home console market that cause them to fabricate a (glorified handheld) console as a hybrid that was successful - maybe M$ can fabricate their next machine as a (glorified console) PC hybrid
As someone in the PS, Nintendo, Xbox & PC ecosystems for a long time it's funny to think people are being so naive about Sony blocking their games. I'd imagine it will happen, not because they hate Xbox or anything. This just really comes down to business for them. If they wanted to make more money on Helldivers 2 for example they would have put the game on Series consoles by now.
I'd expect if Sony does end up putting games on Xbox consoles it would be 2-3 years after the start of a generation. That time has passed for this gen of consoles. Maybe in 2030 or so it might be a possibility after they get PS6 a few years & exclusives out the door.
Times definitely are changing but it seems like it will be a slow crawl before Sony does end up giving in, fully. My guess is 2031 after we are halfway through next gen.
Can anyone explain to me what Xbox’s play is here? They won’t be making money from most of the games sold on this device if they put Steam on it. So why are they trying to penetrate the PC handheld hardware market? There’s like 6 million of these devices sold total. The profit margins om these types of hardware can hardly be worth the effort
@awp69 it's not petty if it means protecting your business.
Some people have the idea that "Software is king" well it doesn't matter how much Sony software can sell on xbox it doesn't compare with the amount of money they will lose if the console stops selling and they lose their ecosystem because the games are available in their primary competitor. It's not only about the hardware sales, is the share in services and games that aren't theirs, they don't own COD to carry their business ... lol.
When Sony uses the PC platform as a 3rd party publisher which is what it is doing, those games are no longer exclusive, they are on another platform, they then get to choose which PC Boxes can play the games? Yet somehow some see that as ok, but then also fight the fight that buying digital games is bad cause the studios can control your purchases on if and when and how you can play them? I have to be missing something here, thankfully for me the comment section will tell me how it’s ok for Sony to control digital purchases on a storefront they don’t own, while also acting like Sony still has exclusives in the first place which they don’t as they bring games to the PC. Wild times we live in. Wild times.
And why is everyone calling it petty? Why wouldn’t Sony, like any other business, protect their interests if they think it could harm their business or brand? This is their main competitor, and their business is mostly focused on exclusives. Obviously, if all Playstation games can be played on an Xbox, that could potentially be disastrous for Sony consoles.
Fyi, i dont think Sony will block anything, but they might if it’s needed and it’s possible (if Steam allows such a thing)
@DennisReynolds They're never getting good PR. They can do everything right and people will still complain.
"We’re not entirely sure why it would prevent sales on one specific piece of hardware."
I assume it's because Sony is still selling its own hardware. It goes back to the issue Microsoft is currently having right now with the Xbox; If their games are available everywhere then why would anyone need that platform? As long as Sony's trying to sell consoles it wouldn't make sense to allow that imo.
@LogicStrikesAgain I'm still not understanding what MS get from this. Okay people have steam, that means they no longer need gamepass because Steam offers MP free, has better discounts, better refund policy.
Also, only Nintendo is allowed to do exclusives and have it be welcome. Sony has to copy every attempt of MS disruption because games media is stupid.
@GymratAmarillo to your point and i am asking you and everyone reading this, are you going to stop buying a PS cause Spider-Man is on Steam? Will you buy a Xbox and not a PS6 cause Spider-Man is Steam and Steam is now on the Xbox Console and Handheld PC device? Without your answers i will say NO! So this won’t kill the PS brand and console sales. It will fund more games for Sony as they will have more money coming in. Exclusives don’t sell hardware for Sony like many on here think or been told. PS4 was outselling Xbox One 3-1 out the gate due to MS’s policies and E3 showing. PS4 didn’t even have note worthy exclusives in its first 2-3 years and the sales gap was huge. Many players buy a console for features, Price, controller and friends list before we get to exclusive games. Nintendo that’s another story, their IP’s are the most played and bought exclusives in the world. Sony and MS share the same played top 10 games minus like 1-2 games. Exclusives aren’t the biggest driving force of the PS. It’s a factor but it’s not the number 1 or even 2 thing i hear causal players say they buy a console for and the numbers and evidence show that. Steam on Xbox would not hurt the PS brand. If anything it would give them more revenue and have more eyes on their games which can be seen as a good thing and not bad.
@breakneck Also, only Nintendo is allowed to do exclusives and have it be welcome. Sony has to copy every attempt of MS disruption because games media is stupid.
Let me fix this for you it should read only Nintendo does exclusives. Sony don’t have as many exclusives as they come to steam. Last i checked Mario Kart 8 isn’t on Steam and neither is Zelda. However i can play many many PS “exclusives” right now on Steam.
@breakneck Exactly! I really don’t see the benefit for Microsoft here. Except for their 70% share on Xbox titles, all the profits of games sold would go to Valve and their respective developers, if i understand correctly that is, as it’s still unclear to me how all of this will work.
Also agree with ur 2nd point, good point that many people fail to see. Sony doesn’t need to follow their competitors strategies, they have their own.
@HonestHick Yes you can play PS exclusives on Steam, but not on Xbox, right? That was never Sony’s intention. Now if Xbox is gonna pivot their strategy by aligning with PC, bringing those PS exclusives to Xbox, which they are in their right to do, is Sony not allowed to then also pivot since Xbox is still their main competitor.
If Microsofts moves are not in Sonys interest, don’t be so surprised if Sony might make their own moves that benefits them, this is all just business
@LogicStrikesAgain by aligning with PC, is Sony not allowed to then also pivot since Xbox is still their main competitor.
Sony is more than entitled to leave money on the table. However to your point. Xbox is now a PC, so Sony will have to see what others allow and not allow on Steams storefront. Not saying you but a lot of people on here where haha and hehe about the console war is over and it is. MS know’s the PS brand is the bigger world wide brand, there is little to no reason in making another Series X against PS6. However the PC market crushes the console market in size world wide and that is MS’s new play. Xbox in name might be a “competitor” to PS but in the new Xbox hardware it is an ally cause it’s another PC storefront that PS already uses to sell more games. All MS is doing is changing the Xbox to a WIN32 code infrastructure. The same thing devs use for PC.
To your point of what best benefits Sony’s business, before they worry about Steam and what that does to their business, how about not making Concord and cancelling a dozen games this gen. Get that out of the way so we have better games on PS5 and PS6, then worry about if Steam on Xbox is a thing or not. However i do not see anyone not still enjoying the PS brand cause a Xbox PC under your TV can play Spider-Man. That makes no sense. I am not selling my PS5 cause Horizon is on Steam no more than i am selling my Series X cause Gears of War E-day will be on PS5. Most on here care far more about their agendas they like to spam the comment sections on than the brand and games themselves is the real issue here. Real gamers would say more games on more devices for player choice is a good thing.
@awp69 They also have to keep selling their subscriptions as well lol
@HonestHick Idk man, it’s simple, if this affects Sony’s console sales or brand and ecosystem negatively, they would understandably want to do anything possible to protect their interests. And if not, then all shall remain as it is
PC might not be a major threat to Sony's userbase at the moment, but pre set configurations like this might well be 'console' enough for some.
I could actually see Sony pulling out of PC completely (with the exception of Live Service games) to contain any threat. From what I remember, their sales in PC are not high anyway, and Sony literally have to protect their ecosystem to survive.
absurd take. the next xbox will be a PC. as such, sony has no right to block the game on pc's... whether the pc is branded "xbox" or not, it's still fundamentally a pc. sony signed up for this and getting cold feet over it is unfounded. if it bothers sony, then it is best that it cuts the chord from the pc platform full stop. otherwise, this is just business as usual.
once the less educated xbox gamers realize that xbox's new hardware isn't a "real" console, interest will wane and sales will plummet... or should i say, sales will never get off the ground. if series x can only muster 30m units, i expect the upcoming xbox-pc to sell no more than 10-15m units. a few more wasted iterations and xbox hardware will be gone entirely — xbox can finally go all in on being a publisher only which is what they should have done a long time ago.
It’s just a Xbox branded pre built gaming pc, I don’t think Sony will give a ***** and as soon as someone figures out how to enable steam big picture mode it will be a steam machine built by Microsoft.
Also this is just jazcorden fishing for attention.
I think Sony will block. It's their games and they can do whatever they want including not release it on Xbox or whatever MS next gen gaming platform.
It's the same as Nintendo. They have the full right not to release their games on PS, Xbox, PC, mobile, Stadia, or any gaming platform without Nintendo logo on it. But funnily no one called them "petty" while Sony quickly got branded as one lol.
It's a very bizarre cope to act like Microsoft is pioneering something when they're just conceding the hardware and software games.
And I can't even imagine what a "PC console hybrid" would be or how it would work.
I think they should block these games on Xbox or at the very least start bringing their games to PC much later than they are now. Sony are well known for their exclusives and will want to protect their IP, they want to be the only console on the market that can play games like Spiderman, God of War, Horizon etc, it's what makes Playstation unique. It's also why some Xbox fans also buy a Playstation console just for their exclusives, so if they don't block these games then that's one reason for those Xbox fans not to get a future Playstation.
And how exactly would Sony be able to "force" Valve to block running Win32 executable locally on machine lol?
Sony literally have no leverage against Valve in that regard. And I really doubt Valve is for these kind of shenanigans. Since it creates pretty bad precedent for the future. Just imagine in future when game publisher will be able to "exclusively" allow XYZ game to be able to run just on Nvidia GPUs for certain period of time.
Locking games from certain hardware arbitrarily on PC? That sounds like disaster...
Can they even block yhem though? It would be like blocking a game in Steam Deck. Even they blocked them it would be trivial to unblock them if the console runs Windows. But why would they block them? Almost all Sony games are Steam Deck verified which means that they sell their games in owners of the Deck. I have certainly bought a lot of them during discounts. I imagine something similar will happen with Xbox
It's Sonys IP, they can do whatever they want with it. Also 'Console Wars', how old are you mentally? 10, I have to say mentally as plenty of adults participate in 'console wars'. I call it consumer choice personally.
I should add owning a PC does not give you the automatic right to play ANY game you like regardless, the IP is not owned by Windows or PC gamers. It's not how it works.
@nomither6 You're right - the first Xbox was just a DellPCInABox. It even had an Intel Celery processor.
In many ways, this could make good sense for Microsoft - a pre-built PC with pre-determined specs (maybe with upgrade options) that can happily sit under your TV without looking like an eyesore (I'm looking at you, 5) and play all your PC and Xbox games in one place. Might well end up being cheaper than the PS6? Might even have an HD Blu-ray drive option?
Steam terms ditate that a game cannot be blocked on any device that runs steam... They would have to pull all their games from steam. It's the only way they can prevent it. Sony has to follow steams rules. Plain and simple.
Depends what device we are talking about.
Equally I can see Sony rubbing their hands together and being happy that they get to expand their target market, and sell more games, sidestepping the exclusivity discussion.
Don't think Sony would need to block, not really worthwhile.
Besides, they would be wary of starting that particular fight with MS. Afterall Playstation games releases on PC which uses Windows, which MS owns and could retaliate...
I always said Xbox were playing at something bringing their games to PS. So in the long run PS would look petty keeping their games semi exclusive. It all started with the PC ports, now it would look odd blocking PS studios games on the PC-like NextBox.
I don’t really understand the big issue here. It’s not like pc get any PlayStation single player games at launch - there’s a delay between the ps5 and steam releases, often significant. Steam are still waiting and have yet to receive confirmation of a demon’s souls remake release.
Sony have already stated that their intent behind the steam delay is to encourage pc players to purchase a PlayStation to play their games rather than have to wait x amount of time.
The only thing I could see changing is that Sony no longer have third party timed “console exclusives” which also release day and date on pc. They will be paying for full timed exclusivity so pc players will get screwed over too.
I bought PlayStation machines for play PlayStation games.
I have zero interest to buy current XBOX Series machine to play PlayStation games since the games I played are only 3rd party kids games that also available the PS4 / PS5 version in physical media so I will not experience any problem of get blocked.
I hope they do block them.
they already allow there games to be played on windows machines
@HonestHick
Cheer up, buddy, you'll get 'em next time...
You are okay with people paying a 50-100 dollars for games on PS that are practically given away for free on stacked subs for gamepass.
The only reason m$ came to playstation was that gamepass isn't profitable.
I mean, Sony could also release Linux compatible versions of their games which would hurt MS more than simply blocking access.
@EfYI actually GP is profitable but it’s not enough is the problem. Throw in Xbox shrinking as a platform and looking to grow and there is the multi platform approach. Sony on PC show how little games are making back in return no matter the size of the platform when dev cost is as high as it is. Only Nintendo seems to budget right these days.
@sanderson72 the steam machine used to be a thing, but i think xbox can do it better. its time anyway; consoles are now PCs. i believe the series x even has dev tools
@Toot1st
Underated factual correct comment
It will depend on how “PC” these Xbox handhelds systems will be.
If it’s like a full-fat Windows running on the backend with a custom UI (think Big Picture Mode in Steam) that can play any game in Steams library (whether an ideal control scheme or not), then allowing Sony to block a game just because the plastic housing of this handheld PC says Xbox on it looks incredibly unlikely - and very petty on Sony’s part, really.
If it’s still very console-like in backend architecture that just happens to run Steam games via some kind of VM layer that can play approved PC games from Steam, then I can see Sony getting away with it.
They can't dictate what Valve does with it's platform, their only option is just removing their games from Steam. Nintendo is doing fine without ever touching PC and with Xbox practically removing itself from the console wars now is the best time to have exclusives.
This is nonsense. I don't believe Microsoft will do this.
Being on steam means they can't charge for online play anymore or have control of the network and the fees gained from sales on it. Their whole Xbox live thing will be gone. It will just be a game renting service.
If that's what they want to do, I don't think they will be competition. Also, games are not optimised for that kind of platform. I guess Microsoft can optimise theirs, but how will you feel playing say MH wilds which looks and performs terrible on a mid range pc, compared to the console versions which are more optimised, even if still with issues?
If microsoft wants to sell a packed in PC, let them? It's not different from a regular PC. Actually, it's worse.
I don't think there is anything to worry about. It's the same as them leaving the console market.
Probably no same day releases on PC though. But, that was already the case.
I hope they do block them. If I were Sony I wouldn't want to share any of my products with my biggest enemy who tried to spend me out of business just a few years ago
@awp69 There's nothing petty about not sharing your products with your biggest enemy, especially one who tried to drive you out of business with publisher buyouts just a couple years prior.
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All this talk about Sony being great for their exclusive first party games when they haven't released one since September. 😂
They 100% would block games from that Xbox PC device, if Steam doesn’t allow it I can see Sony coming out with their own launcher that won’t be compatible with the PC Xbox and only launch new games there.
I wouldn’t even be surprised if Sony started to delist their games off Steam and be exclusive for their launcher, it would gaslight the PC audience but Sony has been that radical.
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If new xbox have access and controller support for GOG then im 100% in. I must say I'm tired of PS5 era. I don't like way where games are now moving. GaaSes, Soulslike, unfinished releases... I turned back to old games where graphics, number of mechanics (crafting, events, grinding...) were not the point, but just pure fun. Games where heroes were heroes and no one asks if he is guy or girl, black or white, mentally ill or just different. I have huge backlog of fun games, more and more less interrested in new games. So I'm not bothering anymore if new game is on this or that console. I just want to play games I like(d).
@SMJ Don't see how you could argue microsoft isn't Sony's enemy at this point when they bought 2 AAA publishers in a desperate attempt to drive Sony out of business
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@LogicStrikesAgain it may just be that, as they are mostly a publisher now, their next "console" is just to keep the smaller numbers who still want an Xbox happy in future, whilst they let everyone else move on to the other platforms over time.
If it is a gaming enthusiast's device it is going to hurt their user base that are currently on Series S, unless they are also releasing a scaled down version at a series S price point. The hardcore Xbox gamer would be annoyed if they packed it in entirely, but might enjoy a premium limited product. So it will be interesting to see what specs they do offer. Because I doubt they can just muscle in on PC gaming.
To me, it has to be both incredibly powerful and incredibly cheap compared to PC to actually increase their share in any way, as steam users already have PC's that they can upgrade. So all I can think of is that they are resigned to lose more of the share and will just offer this Xbox PC thing to please some very specific users and an Xbox handheld to please some other very specific users as everyone else waves goodbye and plays their games elsewhere 🤷♂️
@LogicStrikesAgain
It's in this posters name!
Why would an Xbox with unfiltered Steam, and possibly all others like GOG, Epic, even Amazon Games have any reason to buy full price games via Xbox store and not any of the others? Achievements maybe. (Personally if Sony did the same that is why I would but I am in a minority).
As said. Thin margins on hardware if anything if sold at a loss. and no need to buy from their ecosystem, losing where console manufacturers make their real money.
If it's a window to a continuous Game Pass again margins would not support it enough to offset what they lost on xbox store sales cuts.
@nomither6 why would they share their IP with Microsoft? MS has only done so because they are all in on subsidized gamepass and while MS is rich due to windows, their executives want to see more money from the Xbox brand. So they sell their games to other platforms even if before the acquisitions their studios would have done that already. Sony and Nintendo need to keep a tight grip on their IPs. MS has done what they have done due to Xbox not selling well since Xbox one compared to the x360 which was on par with PS3. It would be a different story if MS was on top and Sony couldn’t move hardware. So MS has changed their approach drastically.
Sony will likely make a deal to get these games blocked. But it will be a difficult argument. As if the Xbox is just a branded PC, then they will have a hard time in court if it came down to it. As if a dude purchased a legal digital access right on steam then they should be able to play it on any medium that supports steam. Sony will have made their money from that guy. If the next xbox is as powerful as MS says then this could be very interesting next generation! Hopefully Sony isn’t making a weak sauce SOC for the PS6.
I don't think Sony could take the backlash from Steam users not being able to play their Sony Studio games on their xbox+Steam handheld. It would be a baffling decision. I understand the conundrum though as they would be in the situation they have put xbox centric gamers in now. Why buy an Xbox when I could wait and get the games on Playstation + Playstation Exclusives. Although it's looking like day and date for everything in the future, so not even a wait.
The only thing I think they could do is allow it but seriously consider holding back future PC Ports even further back to when they originally came out on Playstation.
@Onlystationmatters Your profile picture literally has Jim Ryan wearing a crown, the PlayStation logo wearing a crown, the Xbox logo shedding a tear and your username is onlystationmatters. 😂
Stop trying to start silly console war arguments. It's boring.
Rumours on rumours on rumours.. can we have some actual news and stop talking about this nonsense. Please.
@SMJ Playstation Studios generally has a great reputation, because of many highly rated games, even if they don’t release that much lately.
Also when it comes to exclusives on Playstation, why would you only count 1st party? PS had like 12 exclusives last year alone. It doesnt matter if those were 1st or 2nd party etc. It surely doesn't matter to the people playing them. Also, in terms of exclusives, they just had an exclusive game called Midnight Murder Club come out, and 6 other exclusives are already slated for this year, so far. Sony has a lot of exclusives to lose if they’re all gonna be playable on competitors consoles, and i’m not talking only first party exclusives.
@Onlystationmatters Are you by any chance related to Onlyboxmatter over at PX? 😆
I knew this had to be satire, good job at portraying the fanboys from both sides though 😉
@SMJ Dude, the same guy is over at PX with a similar profile pic and makes the same trolling comments but in favor of Xbox, yet you guys ignore him over there and let him do his thing. It’s satire, at least that’s how i’m going to interpret it 😂
@Ravix Fair enough, but i think if you are going to go the trouble of creating a new console, you might as well make something that’ll make you money and not make your own store obsolete. But to be fair, these are still rumours and we might not see the full picture yet
@LogicStrikesAgain To be fair, it was pretty funny. I hadn't seen any of the posts over on PX.
@SMJ Lol, that is a character allright, i just cant imagine someone being so over the top and obvious, so therefore i think it must be satire. He’s just trolling both sides. That’s the only way i can make it seem amusing, or else its just cringe 😬
Why would anyone buy and Xbox pc instead of just buying a pc? I know it will likely be cheaper but it also won’t be top end. I’m on the verge of giving up console gaming for pc. I really don’t see the value in a £700+ console tbh. Especially if everything will eventually go multi platform.
I don't think Sony has the means to block it from happening because any other device that can run Steam can play their games so why would this be any different? If this new platform runs Windows as is rumoured then any block Sony imposes would be easy to circumvent.
It's a chaotic move from MS because they get to say their new platform can play PS games with all the added benefits of the PC ports including free online. However they'll also be shooting themselves in the foot because the same would apply to MS games on Steam that don't require a subscription for online.
Either way PS5 owners should rightfully be upset if this happens.
This seems like a useless fight to have and I doubt Sony would do this. They don't port their games to PC until years later and it's not like this would be PS making games for Xbox. They would still be making money by selling the software.
" force players to pay to play online "
MS has the data that I don't so I'll ask, are Xbox owners still even paying to play online or are most of the gamers rolling that $ into Gamepass? Do the people who pay for Gamepass still have to pay an additional fee for Live Good or whatever it's called now? 🤷♂️
I forsee MS Xbox branded PCs as digital only rental machines almost exactly like their digital machines now. MS will save some money by stopping dics entirely. No boxes, no discs, no shipping. Just like Steam. I suppose they might make some for Sony but all digital is probably the most likely.
I don't think Sony will care where you play their 5 year old ports.
Sony won't block anything but they may stop or at least slow down releasing games on PC. I've always said releasing on PC would bite them on the ar*e in the end.
@rjejr depends which gamepass you have I think as gold is gone now. IV GP ultimate n that includes online play.
There is no incentive to block their games from an Xbox pc. They will welcome more steam sales with open arms no matter what device they are on.
@Vaako007 what’s even the point of your comment; i already know why. i didn’t ask why they’re doing it & why sony wont do it. i made a statement like you.
@Decimateh-xblz " IV GP ultimate n that includes online play"
I thought some of them did include online, which is why MS might be willing to make online free if everyone is already paying for Gamepass, which includes it, anyway.
I wouldn't have thought about it had the article not mentioned it. And MS doesn't seem very forthcoming these days about any of it's numbers, but it probably knows what they are. Thanks.
@LogicStrikesAgain yeah, I'm agreeing with your sentiment. That is all I can glean from the info so far. They can't be interested in actually increasing share any more, which for a business in the tech industry seems weird. We will see how they approach it, I guess 😅
They are definitely not going to be able to please all of their current users, let alone get new ones, unless it is the most spectacular release of a "console" ever, and change the game forever while they are at it. Which seems unlikely as of now. So it seems like they are just aiming for a small portion of the PC market (why wouldn't people just upgrade their PC in that situation, though) and a small portion of the handheld market, whilst potentially alienating those who stuck with them, or joined because of the S being cheap.
@rjejr no probs pal👍
Never in a million years would Sony allow their games to played on a rivals platform , if it's got xbox on it, regardless of however people want to dress it up as some sort of pc hybrid ,they would block it , imagine microsoft using sonys ips to advertise there new console/pc , only a fool would think this would ever happen.
@BacklogBrad no incentive? Ms could use spiderman,tlou, god of war in their advertising , i think that's incentive enough to block.
@lazarus11 oh no!!! Microsoft could advertise their games for them and increase the sales even further!!
Yeah....right. I don't believe microsoft would ever advertise that you could buy someone else's game on someone else's platform (steam). It would benefit sony though if they did.
I think that...actually I don't care either way. I can still play my ps5 games yes?
@BacklogBrad it could benefit Sony if they put there games on xbox as well as pc doesn't mean it's gonna happen, Sony will block that faster than you can say gamepass
@Vaako007 What court lol? Valve would tell them to leave it as it is or ***** off. Sony have no power over Valve, and Valve would not care in slightest if Sony will pull every their game from Steam, since Sony is not that important on PC in grand scheme of things.
@Boxmonkey Me? I would be 100% all over this. I was PC gamer who migrated into console gaming at the tail end of 360/PS3 era. Because I was tired of "PC *****." But I still valued flexibility of stores and options that PC gaming provides.
So if you will offer me box that combines ease of use of consoles with flexibility of PC gaming, that is literally my dream device. Whether it would be "Steam console" or "Xbox console."
Only thing I'm worried about is a price. Since I doubt Microsoft would be willing to subsidize device that won't lock user into ecosystem. But on the other hand, I expect it to be way cheaper than custom build PC.
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