A collection of last-gen games gussied up to be re-released on a new console is nothing new. This particular Nioh collection is perhaps a bit more unique in that it includes a supposed remaster for a game that was released a mere ten months prior, but that’s not even the strangest thing about this Nioh bundle. The Nioh Collection is a curious case of the awkward situation that PlayStation 5’s backwards compatibility can cause. These two games are certainly worth experiencing, but not necessarily as part of this full-priced package.
Before diving into the technical details of these PS5 ports, you should note that The Nioh Collection really is the complete Nioh package. Both great games and their six story DLCs are here and accounted for. Taken together, this collection offers a ridiculous amount of content for those looking to scratch a Souls-inspired samurai itch.
All that content is of a suitable quality, too. The fact that both Nioh and Nioh 2 are great games in their own right further enhances the desirability of this complete collection. While their Dark Souls inspiration is clear, the uniquely quick combat and mythological Japanese setting set these games apart from the Souls-imitating pack. Having all the DLC included out of the box lets you hit the ground running with the new weapons that were added post-launch, and they also provide some suitably challenging endgame content to test your mettle.
Having both Nioh and Nioh 2 in one place highlights how different Nioh 2 is from the first despite its innumerable surface-level similarities. While both games are almost indistinguishable at a glance, the sequel’s small additions help to keep the experience fresh, especially once you begin delving into the game’s additional systemic and mechanical complexities. The enhanced enemy variety and bustling level design are both marked improvements over the first entry.
But that first game is still absolutely worth experiencing, even if you’ve got the slightly superior sequel sitting right there. It’s an excellent introduction to this franchise’s unique Sengoku setting that beautifully blends history with mythology, and it’ll help you get a grasp on the exceedingly deep action RPG mechanics at play. There’s tons of randomly generated loot to find, several expansive skill trees to progress through, and a wealth of weapon types to try out while pitting yourself against plenty of punishing foes and brutal bosses. It can be a lot to take in, especially for newcomers.
If you are new to the Nioh franchise and looking to try it on for size, this collection is actually hard to recommend – largely due to its awkward positioning on a console that’s backwards compatible. To begin with, by buying this collection you’re immediately all in. There’s several hundreds of hours of content here, only a small fraction of which will actually be useful if you’re looking to find out if Nioh’s inaccessibly deep RPG systems and punishing difficulty are for you.
This collection isn't done any favors by its lack of significant enhancements or additional content. The DLC is included, sure, but you’re paying a next-gen premium for the privilege of playing two PS4 games that haven’t had much work done to them in the move to PS5. The DualSense features are par for the course with the resistive triggers only being active when using a ranged weapon, and the controller’s new rumble capabilities are almost only utilized when running through destructible rubble.
The improvements to load times and performance are far more noticeable and welcome, but – bafflingly enough – most of those same improvements are present when playing the PS4 originals in backwards compatibility. If you install an old PlayStation 4 copy onto the SSD, load times are significantly reduced and only end up being a few seconds slower than that of these remasters.
The performance and visuals of these remastered editions are also on nearly equal footing with that of the backwards compatible originals as long as you’re playing them with the impressively scalable 'Movie Mode (Variable Frame Rate)' option selected from the main menu. This mode employs an unlocked frame rate and variable resolution that the PS5 works wonders with – things are at a consistent 60 frames-per-second and the dynamic resolution appears to rarely waver from its near-4K targets. If backwards compatibility is the path you’re planning to take, we highly recommend selecting that variable frame rate mode.
Unfortunately, things get a bit more complicated when it comes to the graphics modes for the remasters in this collection. Both have three options: a 4K mode, something called 'PlayStation 5 standard mode', and a high frame rate 120 frames-per-second option. The latter is only selectable if the game recognizes that you’ve got a compatible screen connected, but know that you’re not missing out on too much if the option isn’t there for you. The improved responsiveness and smoothness that comes alongside the 120 FPS mode are excellent, but it’s also the least consistent of the graphical options on offer. Despite ratcheting back the resolution to compensate, neither game can reliably maintain steady performance in excess of 60 FPS, and the 120 FPS mode is the only one that caused the occasional stutter when quickly traversing through larger levels.
The 4K mode fares much better by capping things at 60 FPS while focusing on maintaining a higher resolution. Thankfully, this mode is extremely stable despite the high resolution target, and it looks sharp even when the action begins ramping up. That being the case, the “PlayStation 5 standard mode” ends up being the awkward third wheel of the bunch. There’s no in-game details as to what this mode does, but it appears to make slight improvements to shadows, reflections, and other small details while bringing the resolution all the way down to 1080p to do it. To our eyes, that resolution sacrifice isn’t worth it for small visual improvements that are difficult to recognize while participating in the frequently frenetic combat. The 4K mode will likely be the ideal option for most folks.
The real kicker to all this is that The Nioh Collection’s remasters don’t look all that different from the PS4 originals when they’re played on a PS5 with the variable frame rate movie mode selected. That simple fact should give prospective buyers of this entire collection some pause. Newcomers would be just as well served by snagging a copy of the original Nioh on the cheap or they might even already have it in their library from its free PS Plus run in November 2019.
On the plus side, if you've already got a PS4 copy of Nioh 2, you're entitled to a free upgrade to the remastered edition on PS5 which is the whole better half of this collection. Team Ninja deserves massive credit for such a consumer-facing step, and it's a major boon to those who might've picked up a copy in the past but haven't gotten around to it yet.
All that being the case, The Nioh Collection still sits in an incredibly awkward and potentially unprecedented position. It’s awesome that the original Nioh games are so scalable that the PS5 can work its magic with them despite the fact that they were initially built for the PS4, but backwards compatibility also works against the usefulness of this collection that’s launching at full price and doesn’t add anything of notable significance to the package. Maybe it’ll finally help Nioh 2 get some more well-deserved time in the spotlight as the free upgrade to the Remaster is an immensely generous move, but the entirety of this remastered collection is surprisingly hard to recommend as a whole given the surrounding circumstances. Both of the games on this collection are absolutely recommended, but this specific collection is only really applicable to an extraordinarily small segment of potential players.
Conclusion
The Nioh Collection crams two great games and six story expansions into one complete, content-stuffed package. Despite its extensiveness, the lack of exclusive content or noteworthy new features make it a hard sell in its entirety. It gives Team Ninja a good excuse to try and grab some more attention for some legitimately great games, but calling these remasters is perhaps a bit of an embellishment.
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Hm, I’ve been wanting to pick up the Nioh games since forever, but since it’s announcement, I’d been waiting on this dedicated PS5 collection. Perhaps I should just go with the individual PS4 games instead?
You mean Team NINJA not Ninja Theory
As someone has already played both (with plats) the free upgrade is a great reason to go back.
I'm ready to earn the Okatsu character skin all over again.
@feral1975 Fixed!
I burned out on Nioh 2 a while back, but I'm downloading the free upgrade now for the hell of it to see what the improvements are like.
I'll probably delete it pretty soon after and just go back to Demon's Souls.
I loved Nioh 2, it's an incredible game, but once I reached the second last area I just didn't feel any compulsion to keep going.
Had to look twice.... Thought that was Jamie lannister with a samurai sword..... 🤣
Strange review score, are you scoring the games or the package on offer? Maybe better to put the original scores for the games with a separate note for the overall value for the remastered package.
After seeing what happened with the Ultimate Edition of Control there's no way I'd consider buying this. I feel that publishers will have to come out and actively say that their repackaged versions of PS4 games will not come to PS+.
@AndyKazama do you know if the PS5 versions have separate trophy lists (so you can get another couple of plats)?
@get2sammyb: Review still says "Ninja Theory deserves massive credit for such a consumer..."
I played the original on the PS4 and wish there was a free upgrade for that game. Anyway, I have wanted to get Nioh 2 so I will just wait to the collection drops to $20.00. If history is anything to go by, that will not be a long wait.
@Ryno Sorry, I've corrected it now! Thanks for spotting!
i bought this collection. i have been wanting to try these games for a while and after demons souls my itch needs to be scratched again. dark souls remastered felt to janky and looked pretty awful.
one plus that made me buy retail on this is each game is on a separate disc and apparently includes all the dlc as well.
Extremely overpriced unfortunately. I hate these kinds of games besides Sekiro (deflect system - less BS imo you either do it right or not), so no big deal for me.
I was definitely going to buy this, and still might, but that free upgrade of 2 is a mighty tempting proposition. As much as I enjoyed the first, it feels like a one and done to me when the second one offers everything I enjoyed about the first and then some. Why go back to the well when I have an ocean to pull from? Decisions, decisions. I quite like that box art though.
@colonelkilgore different list 👍 some auto pop if you bring over a save. Nioh 2 looks to be the more generous auto pop of the two
Seeing as how I never got the PlayStation versions of the Nioh games I'll probably dip in on console with this collection but for right now I have both on PC so I'm in no rush to play them again anytime soon. Great games if you missed out on them though
@AndyKazama awesome, just ordered the collection.
I disagree about the Dual Sense utilization. It is right and proper utilized. You feel almost everything on there and the clangs and bangs really resonate.
I would actually look at the value proposition much differently than this review does. For those who already own Nioh and Nioh 2 on PS4, the upgrade, while perhaps minimal, is a nice boost and is entirely free. For those who have not, $70 for both games is a bargain as nothing else outside of Monster Hunter World competes for next-gen adapted action-RPG content volume and quality. The great thing about Nioh is that it has combat mechanics on par with many fighting games, loot like Diablo, and a world system similar to Demon's Souls. Speaking of which, when you compare the price of this collection (for newcomers, who are the only ones who have to pay for it) to the same price for Demon's Souls, you are getting significantly more content for the money. I loved Demon's Souls, but you could fit that entire game into two of the regions in one of the Nioh games, and unlike the Souls games where NG+ changes virtually nothing in the game, Nioh is like Diablo in that the real game is focused on builds and doesn't even begin until your second playthrough. I think viewed through this lense this collection warrants a much higher score.
@The_Pixel_King No just get the collection, if you was to buy the PS4 versions you'll be paying if not the exact same then even MORE than if you was just to get the collection and there'll be alot more effort to set up for the PS5 versions, you won't get the PS5 version of Nioh 1 at all if you buy it on PS4 anyway.
@Wilkens this
Just grab the PS4 version of Nioh 2. You don’t need to have played the original - the story is kinda of irrelevant in these games.
Gameplay is king. Randomised loot, multiple new game cycles, excellent almost peerless combat. Sooooo much end game content. Very very addictive.
But you need patience for these games. If you’re expecting to have your hand held like you’re playing COD, you’ll have a very rough time.
@Salt_AU the score is based on its value as a remaster package. It adds almost nothing.
@Salt_AU I understand what a remaster is thanks.
Getting wound up about a numerical score is ridiculous. It’s a largely arbitrary number.
Reviews are subjective. It is irrelevant if you disagree with the numerical score assigned.
Does the review score of the PS5 version somehow change the level of enjoyment you get from the games?
This masterpiece collection DEFINITELY DOES NOT deserve such a low score as 7!
This broke my heart.. I love this site, I check it often even though I am not registered..
But I had to say something because seeing this amazing collection being underrated like this really make me want to tell you guys a few words... First of all, I have spend hundred of hours just for Nioh 1 and Nioh 2 each! Lacking content? Hell no. You can easily spend hundred of hours if you want to level up your character all the way up or you just want to do finish the game in every difficulty which is really worth it because it gives you the ability to upgrade your gear with nice stats and enemies behave differently, it is a bit like DMC higher difficulties, it always feels like some new gameplay! Plus you got SO MANY different weapons, moves, skills, different builds which are amazing and more! So rating this 7, that really hurt my feelings seriously, because I love this game with a passion! I can not even imagine if I was new and just bought the Nioh collection, what a huge treasure it would be with all the DLC's and everything! Plus now I get a free upgrade with 4k 60 fps, or 120 fps option. Amazing dualsense support! Instant load times. What can I ask more? I specifically waited for the collection to be available to play the game again because those features are really worth it! And definitely doesn't deserve a 7, I hope people can see that. Even on metacritics, pushsquare gave the lowest score. I understand if it is not your type of game, but come on, this game definitely has A LOT to offer! And that is without a doubt, especially if you compare to other soul games like Demon's Souls.. I love demon's souls, but it felt kind of boring compared to any Nioh game, not even talking about a full collection! This game is really high in my top with Bloodborne and Sekiro! I didn't even mention the co op which is REALLY amazing, you have so many options, and most of all, you don't need to wait hours to find someone to co op with like other soul-like games! I always find random people to play with! The multiplayer aspect is kind of similar to Ghost Of Tsushima, but honestly I find Ghost Of Tsushima multiplayer a lot more repetitive, by far! This is my 5 cents! This game DOESN'T deserve that low 7 score, no way.
Wow...$70 bucks?
I'm having N64 flashbacks...
@Salt_AU I would expect what is being offered. I never once said or implied the package was inadequate.
I said the numerical review score is not important.
“Simply wrong” is subjective. Just like the review. You’re claiming your opinion is fact which is ridiculous and arrogant.
The review states quite fairly what the pros and cons of this remaster package are. If you don’t agree with it that’s fine. You already own both games on PS4 so you’ve presumably already finished them and formed an opinion on them.
Why do you need another review to confirm those biases?
What’s likely happening here is a largely arbitrary review score is causing friction with your pre-conceived notion of what is ‘just’ or ‘right’. Or perhaps it’s some kind of sunk cost fallacy or confirmation bias situation. Who knows with you ‘arbiters of review scores’ people....
I’ll ask again: does the review score change your enjoyment of the games?
Why are there so many gamers who spend huge amounts of time quibbling over numerical scores? It’s like the act of ‘proving’ a reviewer is wrong is more important than enjoying the games.
Don’t get me started on gamers who hype themselves up into a froth and refuse to look at review scores that don’t confirm their bias before they purchase.
Or those who miss out on loads of great games because they’ve decided that 7/10 means ‘trash’ because they only understand hyperbole and make purchasing decisions like 10 year olds.
🙄🙄🙄🙄
This game definitely deserves more than 7. Especially when you compare it with other game scores! It is definitely a hidden gem, and not everybody is up for the challenge.
@Arnna I don’t understand this either. To me, the final score is about the least interesting and least important aspect of a review. If I can’t glean the necessary information to inform my purchase from the review itself, then it’s all pointless anyways.
@Jimmer-jammer exactly
@JustATomato they can’t comprehend that it's a review of the upgrades versus the base platforms. - well put. It’s staggering that people can’t understand this.
I expect this is designed and priced for inevitable sales. It's a good package to jump in for anyone that didn't buy it already and will drop in price quickly. The value will look a lot better on some deep discounts.
This boils down to the fundamental truth that reviews are subjective, and therefore CANNOT be wrong. Some of us really need to accept that, and stop looking at the number score so much.
I personally wouldn't base my review on value propositions or the cost of something, to me, that's the most uninteresting part of reviewing games. I still remember the replay value column added into scores. The quality of the titles is what I would base most of my score on and value would just be something mentioned in my review.
But...this isn't my feelings on the Nioh collection...Remember through all the fancy words and adjectives, that's all a score is, someone's feeling on a piece of work.
Never played either, just bought Ps5, looking for games with free upgrades and picked up 2 for a tenner. Happy with that deal over £70. Not sure it’s even my sort of game but for a tenner I’ll give it a go. Just waiting for Royal Mail to deliver my console now
@GamerDad66 Two games thats 35 a piece.
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