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@thefourfoldroot Thanks.

Doesn't the PS5 look even bigger in this video or is it just me?

The ports are all normal but this means that you need to remove one of the sides in order to connect the external SSD.

I've messed up several times (including deleting, overwriting...) because it's the same on Xbox One and PS4 but the opposite on every recent Nintendo console so if you press buttons instinctively... Now Nintendo is the only platform on where accept is on the right but it's still confusing because it used to be on the left on SNES (and still is on SNES Classic).

Button mapping doesn't solve anything because if you see a button prompt on the TV while playing you actually shouldn't press that button. It would be funny (and I'd like it) if Nintendo went back to the SNES control scheme but letters are not the same as the Xbox controller anyway. For multiplatform gamers it's annoying because of the muscle memory and intuitive response. Of course, if you only play on one platform, no big deal.

@get2sammyb @Turbodream Cyberpunk costs the same, £60, $60, €70.

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP4497-CUSA16596_00-0000000000000004

I wonder if there will be a next-gen version (I assume so) and if it will be a free upgrade.

@Turbodream I remember when the 3DS game boxes ditched the manuals and introduced perforated plastic... Next generation I'll be 100% digital but waiting for sales.

@Old-Red I totally agree.

If you think that £60 and $60 is expensive, it's €70 in EU! No wonder sales have plummeted, possibly everywhere. It makes me wonder how PS5 will perform commercially.

@tinCAT-zero Go back to your cave, daft troll.

I don't know about Gamestop but some shops and websites have already charged customers. It's a shame. I know you can ask for a refund but you shouldn't be charged so early.

@NEStalgia That's right, I prefer honest specific statements than deceptive marketing. Timed exclusives are a double-edged sword, most people don't like them and Sony is not funding games but preventing others from playing games they have nothing to do with but only temporarily and for a relatively high price.

@tinCAT-zero You never say anything worth reading, you talk absolutely nonsense and bs like "I can't wait for playing 8K games on PS5!", "Games look and perform better on PS4 Pro than on Xbox One X!" and you call me deluded? You are ridiculous and don't have the required intelligence to have a discussion with the people you engage with so all you can do is call them a Microsoft fanboy because you feel offended and insecure as a mindless, deluded and ridiculous Sony fanboy yourself 😂.

"No one cares if you have a PS4 or not (...) First up I've a Pro and an X".

Epic fail 😂.

"First up I've a Pro and an X. The 1X is getting the same install as the 1S and texture are visible missing and can in comparison (and do) look washed out compared to PS4. The 1S is holding back the 1X".

Ha ha ha Comparing Xbox One games without patch vs. PS4 Pro games with patch and saying that the S holds the X back when Xbox One X has more enhanced games that perform and look better than PS4 Pro. Shame on you. Your lies are so ridiculous that you haven't convinced anyone yet and nobody agrees with you. You are pathetic. I am SO tired of you. Go back to your cave, troll.

@SilkySmile89 "Also hot air raises up, just simple physics, you don’t need a fan to do that".

Not really, that only works in open areas. If you have a big fan at the end of an hermetic recipient, it expels air as efficiently as if it was at the bottom. Actually better, it works like a vacuum, the air circulates at full speed until it's out of the recipient.

"The big fan is useless if you have restricted airflow".

Except that it's not restricted and because the recipient is rectangular, the air circulation is more efficient than if it was a long-shaped recipient. The motherboard has two parts and air flows through both sides of each, plus vapor chamber. It's a very efficient design.

@NEStalgia Right. I remember rumours from months ago that stated that Sony was attempting to get third-party exclusives as a defining feature of PS5, probably because they knew that they could not have any games ready for launch except the Spider-Man cross-gen spin-off and the Soul's Demons remake (not that Microsoft has much ready for launch either but at least the remasters are free). They tried to get Starfield as well as Final Fantasy XVI to draw attention. Funding games is wonderful but bribing third parties for timed exclusives in order to mislead people with trailers is dirty. It's like the Demon's Souls reveal, when they didn't make clear if it was a PC game or not.

@Menchi Yep I know you are a PC player so some people "hate" you 😂.

@Menchi I agree that that's the editorial's intention.

@JJ2 You are the "fanboy console warrior" and not just that but rude, if you can't stand facts just ignore me. I have a 3DS, Wii U, Switch, PS4 and Xbox One X. Thank you and have a nice day.

@Fenbops @Menchi How can the title say "PS5 Exclusive" when they know that it's a timed exclusive? It's jarring and misleading. The exclusivity deal is that after 6 months Square Enix is free to publish the game on PC and after 12 months on Xbox.

There are very few PS5 exclusives really, even first-party games are planned for PC and some of them for PS4: Demon's Souls (Sony IP) PC, Spider-Man (first-party) PS4, Sackboy (not first-party but published by Sony) PS4, Horizon 2 (first party) PS4, Bloodborne remaster (Sony IP) PC, Metal Gear Solid Remake (rumoured game but obviously not first-party so PC and Xbox), Final Fantasy (PS5, PC and Xbox after 6/12 months)...

@SLEEVExOFxWIZARD I agree, the only problem I see about PS5 is that the CPU and GPU are variable and share a power pool so developers are going to be conservative in order to avoid the extra heat (the GPU speed is crazy) and to give the CPU some space. While it's true that Digital Foundry-level details won't matter to most people (who cares about the details of a horse's balls?) the question here is if PS5 can run next-gen games at 60fps and at what price. I'm sure it can but it will have to sacrifice resolution and graphical enhancements.

@Oz_Momotaro Right but the expansion cards are optional and games will be 30% smaller on Series S. I agree that the expansion cards are expensive and so will be PS5 SSDs (825GB will be over quickly with 4K textures). They look even more expensive because in reality both Microsoft and Sony are subsidising the price of the console. Series X and PS5 are sold at a loss for now. Accessories aren't.

@SilkySmile89 We don't know what cooling solution the PS5 has and Xbox One X has the best cooling of the current generation, that is, the most efficient and silent. Series X is pretty much the same and PS5 gets hotter because of the fewer CUs and higher speed (which is not really an advantage when it's not even sustained but that's Cerny's marketing for you).

You are right about two different speeds for the RAM but remember that the largest amount of Series X RAM is faster than PS5 RAM and that none of them use all of it for GPU, that's why a small part of Series X memory is slower. The only difference is that the RAM of PS5 is homogenous but slower than Series X GPU RAM so no real advantage for PS5. PS5 is homogenous but slower. We know that the SSD is faster but Xbox has Velocity Architecture to boost the SSD speeds x2.5. Time will tell which is faster in practical terms, PS5 might still be able to load faster but at this level and especially compared to HDDs, both will load strikingly fast. I mean, we have seen Series X load a full game in a few seconds already (Quick Resume).

As for the power leap between Series X and PS5 not meaning anything, remember games run and looked better on Xbox One X than PS4 Pro without any effort, the same will happen next generation. It doesn't make sense to believe that games will make use of PS5 unique design 100% and not of the Series X standard design when games upscale very well on this kind of PC design so it would be exactly the opposite, the odd PS5 features will be vastly ignored. Third-party games will be built for Windows anyway and then use whatever sustained power they can use on consoles. Sony studios can try to overclock GPU and use as much power from the GPU as possible but how will they deal with the extra heat and what will happen to the frame rate? It's true that the CPU clock of PS5 is not far below Series X as you said but it's also a peak value on PS5, CPU and GPU share a power pool, thus if PS5 uses more power for the GPU it must use less power for the CPU and what will happen to the frame rate then? If you have watched the Digital Foundry video, it doesn't look promising, few enemies that don't particularly use much AI, 1440p resolution and still the CPU can't keep a perfect 60fps on PS5.

@JJ2 I watched the video on my OLED TV. The question is did you watch it or are you just talking bs again? Thomas says exactly that, dropped frames, you clearly didn't watch it and just overreacted as usually to defend your religion. You don't know which one is more powerful? The one that has better sustained CPU and GPU than the maximum CPU and GPU than the other is able to achieve. Answer this and you get your answer.

@NEStalgia It will be like this generation, the best hardware gets the best multiplatform version. Firstly, it was PS4, then it was Xbox One X and now it's Series X. No developer is going to invest more than necessary on a port, the CPU and GPU differences are real and miracles don't exist (look at Switch). Same for controllers, touch pad = Select, motion controls = nothing and so on. The only games that will make the most of the atypical features of PS5 are first-party games, e.g., "playing" a guitar on the touch pad. The fast SSD will drastically reduce loading times compared to a HDD and will be used as a kind of additional RAM but won't make a difference elsewhere.

I've watched Digital Foundry's video of Demon's Souls remake running on PS5 and of course it looks and runs better than the PS3 game and loading times are obviously reduced but I'm not impressed and the game runs at 1440p60 with dropped frames. And we're talking about Bluepoint, one of the best studios remastering games and there's barely any AI in the demo.

EDIT: Yes, even Sony will target PC. We are witnessing how important PC is becoming, the very Sony is publishing their PS5 games on PC (and PS4) including Demon's Souls (Sony IP) remake, Spider-Man Miles Morales, Sackboy (Sumo Digital, published by Sony) and Horizon 2 so it's obvious that these games are not built exclusively for PS5 and don't need PS5 unique features (like the "Cerny" SSD) to run well or even better on PC.

Timed exclusive, you mean.

@JustNeepz Thanks for your reply, I appreciate it. I'm sure that there will be great games on both. We already know Sony's studios, I have a PS4 so I know more or less what to expect but I'm excited about all the new Xbox Game Studios: Playground's Fable (first thing they do after Forza Horizon games), Obsidian's Avowed, Rare's Everwild and whatever The Initiative is doing.

@JustNeepz No problem. I can't wait for Digital Foundry to analyse all this and I am looking forward to seeing what developers can do on both systems. I know technology is not all that matters in a console so I'm excited about the (true) next-gen games even if they take a little while.

@JustNeepz The SSD used as memory cache allows faster loading times and streaming of 4K textures as if it was some kind of RAM, it's similar to Velocity Architecture on Series X/S which combines the SSD speed with other hardware features. The SSD, however, can't increase the graphics processing power (TFLOPs).

The problem with PS5 is that the CPU and GPU are variable and can't reach their peak performance at the same time. The advertised 10 TFLOPs on PS5 is only possible when the GPU is overclocked and the CPU is draining less power while on Series X the 12 TFLOPs are available all the time. That's why the initial leaks and current estimates claim that PS5 is a 9TFLOPs console.

@kappasig390 Exactly. Sony can be as arrogant and silent as they want, they can open messy pre-orders without properly explaining PS5 features, exact measurements or exact graphical performance and it still will sell out during the first months. You only have to read some of the comments here to realise that some fans consider offensive to pretend knowing everything about a console that some people have already paid hundreds for but those fans are missing the point entirely.

People saying that Microsoft haven't shown games running on next-gen consoles just to justify Sony's lack of honesty and communication are lying. Just two examples:

Series S:
https://youtu.be/teNuT6UO1II

Series X:
https://youtu.be/jtHj_2WBKKE

Besides, Microsoft has delivered Series X consoles to Digital Foundry and IGN already. If that is not a great job of communication I don't know what is.

@BlazingCat83 I replied but messed names up, if you want to read my replies.

@BlazingCat83 I also think that this site is not reliable, especially when it compares PS and Xbox but in this case Sammy is attacked (not by you) for expressing an opinion that, for once, is level-headed and focused on PS instead of blindly praising it while underestimating its competition. If I disagree with him most of the time I also should agree with him when I think he's fair.

@BlazingCat83 I don't mean you but people attacking and mocking him and others. You made a fair point about Tokyo Game Show not being covered although even Xbox's presence was bigger than Sony. You are being respectful and just voicing your opinion as far as I know (I don't know you and I haven't read all your comments).

It's not labelled as news but soapbox and the full article is written as an opinion. If you can't stand fair criticism I don't know why you are reading this and throwing a tantrum. You dare to say that consumers don't have the right to know what they're buying and yet you think you're entitled to censor other people's opinions on the site they work for. Just say your own opinion and learn to deal with the rest of the world, you're not the only person that matters but just as insignificant as any other.

I see that Sony's arrogance has possessed some of its more fervent followers.

@Nickolaidas I'm everywhere 😁. I still have 3DS games to beat, go figure.

@S1ayeR74 The game running on X that you are referring to is Haven

https://youtu.be/jtHj_2WBKKE

and Gears 5 was shown not only on X but on S running at 1440p120fps as a showcase for the smaller console.

@Fenbops Yep the GPU power is not sustained and goes down when the CPU needs more power but Sony advertised the peak value only. The sustained figure is rumoured to be 9TFLOPS.

@SoulChimera Heck, we don't even know the real size! The official measurements don't include the largest parts nor the base.

@gollumb82 You hit the nail on the head. I think it's an awkward situation that is related to how Jim "Mattrick" Ryan is handling the launch of the console. Sony used to have much better people.

@gollumb82 "Those who criticise you are just fanboys who would buy a PS5 if Sony never even showed the console in the first place".

Absolutely true. All they need to know is the pricing and even that doesn't matter.

@Medic_Alert @nessisonett Agreed.

It's unfair to criticise this article, he's not bashing Xbox as usually and he doesn't sound like a fanboy for once and I say this as a compliment 👍🏻.

@Deadcow I agree 100%.

"Content is king".

Yeah and all three consoles have excellent content as far as I know, a bit more homogeneous on PS, though.

Also, I don't get this Push Square's recurrent obsession with Game Pass "in the red", what do you care? It got 5 million more subscribers in a few months (before acquiring ZeniMax) and it's growing. Game Pass is a long-term investment for Microsoft and awesome value for gamers, I know you don't care about them but still they are happy.

@ShaiHulud @theheadofabroom Or this...

https://cdn.decoist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/IKEA-Christmas-collection-lights.jpg

@ShaiHulud 😂

@ShaiHulud Doesn't look like an Ikea lamp? Just a joke because Ikea makes weirdly-designed pieces of furniture and lamps.

@ShaiHulud PS5 looks more like an Ikea design to me.

A real monster, indeed.

@KidBoruto I have no idea about shops in USA. I bought one of those TV cabinets without board at the bottom, better for cables management and air circulation.

"I’ve heard all the arguments for and against the price increases over the past few days".

For? Did you hear Sony's stockholders?