Topic: The Order: 1886 | OT

Thank you for sharing your opinion, even though we differ quite a bit how we like The Order I always enjoy seeing things from the other side as well. What I think is a bit sad is, that it seems worth absolutely no money to most customers - considering your statements you included (no offense) - to have a highly polished game. I mean if you measure value of a game purely in gameplay time - which is a valid attempt - games that are simple yet fun like "Broforce" for example (which is an Indie - god help us) should be charging 80 €, Dragon Age would be 100 € easily measured on playtime. But no one thinks about all the work that went into creating a polished world and exceptional graphics, all the artists involved. Of course - and I give you that - it won't matter a poop if you generally don't like the end product.

It's really interesting how people's opinions can be so different. I'd easily give The Order an 8 out of 10, bordering on 9. Also I hated Hard Rain (you're so right about Cage) and Beyond Two Souls. And yeah I hate Anime. Also something many people can't understand. But I guess that's how it is!

That's the key point. If it were you calling me all the names in the sun for thinking it's below average and then me retorting the same insults for you liking it it's childish and pathetic. I know full well games that have got a massive kicking I've enjoyed and massively praised games I've found terrible. End of the day it's just opinions and I'm happy to say "this is crap/great" as long as I can explain why. I won't just say it for effect.

Cost-wise I can see where you're coming from but it's not what I'm on about. One of my favourite ever games is Luigi's Mansion on the Gamecube. You can do that game in half the time you can The Order but I regularly return to it as it's an absolute blast to play plus is charming and funny. A game can be a few hours or 100s, it isn't important. What is important is the fun you have with it. For the seven and a bit hours I played The Order there was only one bit I enjoyed, the level were Galahad loses it and goes on a bit of a meltdown as you defend your HQ. It was the one occasion where the game let you go all hell for leather at people and you felt like you were in control, not being forced to do this or that. Then you get the rocket launcher and you're back in 'do as you're told' mode and all illusion was gone.

Heavy Rain I enjoyed to be fair, apart from the incredibly poorly realised sex scene which was only included to show Cage 'gets' seriousness. Beyond was just a mess. When his next game arrives I really hope he's got in someone to write with him and direct the whole thing for him as he is holding that company back from creating something really terrific.

I wouldn't say The Order has an awful script myself. The story falls apart in the last few chapters for sure, but I quite like the way they build up the characters initially.

I just felt it predictable and characters, as they often do in games, say things that just wouldn't be said. "Oh, hello..." when you walk in on a woman (putting this politely) sitting on a guys lap. The clichés too are just too easy (Frenchman obsessed with sex is very original). As I said, if you handed that in at GCSE you'd be lucky to get a D.

True dat. Like the game itself there's something really good buried in there, just needed more talented people to bring it out.

EDIT: A week after I finished The Order: 1886 I bought Magus for PS3. I'd heard it's one of the worst games ever made so was intrigued to see if it was. I enjoyed it much more than Ready At Dawn's game. Yes, the PS4 title is prettier, sounds better, designed better and everything else but Magus, as terribly made as it is, I found infinitely more entertaining.

It looks like there's a graphic novel/comic coming our way set in The Order 1886 universe. I know most of you guys hate the game but I'm completely in love with it, so this is GOOD news!!

http://www.amazon.de/The-Order-1886-Titan-Comics/dp/1782761799

Completed the game recently hated how it ended, so many unanswered questions.
80% Trophies unlocked, just need to get the inspect item trophies.

Many people hate it. I liked it. It's called worldbuilding. It's clearly planned as having a sequel, I prefer a cliffhanger ending and having a sequel to having a game that's finished in itself and then having a Sequel shoehorned into the story just because of profit.

There won't be a sequel. If Sony are somehow conned into giving more money to this IP then at least give it to another development team as Ready At Dawn aren't up to making a game. Let them do the cinematics. The comic you said they're doing though - that is a good idea.

I sincerly hope they continue the franchise despite the public reception.

Same here

You two better get a Kickstarter going pronto.

Take it away from Ready At Dawn, or just let them assist, and you could have a great game. There's tonnes of ideas in there, it's just that team are nowhere near good enough to make them become more than ideas. As I've said before, despite really not liking it there is a cracking game in there screaming to get out.

@rastamadeus It's a bit harsh to go for kickstarter-suggestion, but alas you're posts are mostly negative. I respect your personal taste but it leaves me wondering more often then not what you DO actually enjoy. Back to being objective again I'd like to see some sales numbers on The Order and how it fared compared to other "big games". It just hurts me to see a piece of art like The Order with so much detail and a rich world in it go to waste just because people were expecting it to be Gears of War in 1886.

The kickstarter was a joke. As I've said before the game just wasn't a game for me. There are lots of ideas in there that are close to being something really good but just kinda fall flat. Saying "there's a cracking game in there screaming to get out" can't possibly be negative, can it? Despite my dislike of the game it has stayed in my brain as there was potential there for it to be really good. I think the problem with it is your Gears Of Wars analogy, but not the way you put it. People didn't want it to be a GOW clone with QTEs and bum-numbingly long times of nothing. But that's what we got. Some, such as yourself, enjoyed it but the majority didn't.

I still think, as I've said in another part of the site, rather than a £50 game this should have been a tenner on PS Now. Show off the service and have a first party, exclusive, game on there. Tenner for a week. It would have made millions as people put off by the absurdly short game wouldn't have minded spending that much on it, Trophy hunters would have lapped it up, Sony could be saying "look how well PS Now and The Order are doing" and it would all be positive.

As for what I enjoy, all sorts really. The 3D Marios, Red Dead, Borderlands, anything by Treasure (try Bangai-O!!), Lego games, Catherine, Persona, Hotline Miami, Zelda, Smash, almost every classic Sega game. Scarlett Johansson's bum. When the talk is on them you'll find me happy as Annie, but I see myself more as being honest then negative. I never write something trying to be 100% negative, even here I've said why I don't like The Order rather than saying "it's ****."

@rastamadeus
Thanks for that post, it gave me some insight into your psyche, I appreciate that. Nothing wrong with you not liking it, I just have a really hard time understanding why people see no value in actual production values, a polished world and awesome graphics when buying a game. It's part of the package you're paying for, at least in my book. But enough of it already, everyone knows I loved the game. What I also can't understand is that people complain about Helldiver's price and I already got around 80 hours out of it. So gametime VS retail price seems to be a valid argument for the one but not for the other game. Weird world.

Also.... Scarlett Johansson's bum. How you like Alizee's?

@Scollurio For me a polished world, attention to detail etc is 1 small part of my decision making when buying a game. Potential game time in terms of costs per hour is also a consideration. I don't base my purchases on 1 single aspect but a combination of many factors. Something like the Order for me (and I mean from my perspective alone) would score very highly in its visual presentation but when you factor in other aspects, its clear this is by far its greatest aspect. A game is more than just its visual presentation though. When buying (or reviewing) a game, I break it down into its components with a higher emphasis on game play.
Its clear this generation seems even more focussed on resolution and frame rates than actual game play and mechanics. Whilst I do admit the visual presentation is quite important, its often what we see first and creates our 'first impression', its also not a reason alone to buy a game. The first we ever see of a game is usually a screenshot or short video.
Visual presentation may be enough to get peoples initial interest but a game needs more to keep it throughout - If not then people won't see the latter half of the game as they will have stopped playing. Minecraft, in my opinion, is probably the worst game available from a visual presentation perspective. but its also one of the most popular because of its game play. Putting the Order next to it makes the game look look years behind visually but also proves that if they get the game play right, its not that important.
You mentioned that people were expecting the Order to be more like Gears of War. However Gears of War offers a very good campaign, with a lot of action and not many QTE's. It also offers various co-op options and MP too.
As far as I know, no-one has criticised its visual presentation and attention to detail but from my perspective, games are a lot more than just visuals. A lot of AAA games look great but also have great game play, story, options etc. It's kind of like employing someone purely because of the way they look instead of their ability to do the job.
Have you seen Angry Joes video review?

@BAMozzy
Thanks for your input. Im far from a graphics w**** when it comes to games, I enjoy Minecraft, Hotline Miami or Helldivers just as much but for different reasons. All I am saying is that you cannot go around through the gaming world with your one set of molds in which everything needs to fit. I like to compare The Order to Resident Evil. It was great for its time, raised the level of graphical fidelity and atmosphere people came to expect from there on. But gameplay? Linear. Limited. Fixed camera angles and tank controls. Even for its time abysmal, still if you could see beyond that, you saw the Brilliance of Resident Evil. Nowadays people tend to toss something aside of you have to look for the gems a little bit. And yeah I saw Angry Joe's review and honestly, I think he's an idiot and a sellout. My personal opinion. It was obvious that The Order is an easy target for a show called "ANGRY" - obviously he needs something to rant about to have his gimmick going and yeah, The Order was a welcome and easy victim. 4/10 is laughable really. Also another big problem I see so often in todays review-sites is that people reviewing a genre they don't actually like. I think if The Order was reviewed only by people who enjoy linear, graphic heavy games with a thick atmosphere and style with an more adequate story attached to it, lets call them "cinematic experiences", it would have fared much better. I know someone, who hates games that have their viewpoint "from above". I think it's a bit moronic but he doesn't even try a game like Helldivers. Just imagine he would have to review Helldivers. Not playing it or even giving it a chance of this mindset or hearsay... missing out bigtime in my book, but hey, opinions. They are like butts. Everyone has one but some of them stink.

The Order is nothing like the Resident Evil for the next generation - most of those 'issues' with RE were down to the capabilities of the hardware of the time and why it was one of the better looking games of that era. It had to put fixed camera angles as the hardware wasn't capable of keeping the graphical fidelity in whilst moving. In its time it was at the forefront of gaming. The Orders gameplay is so dated its a joke. At best it is a graphical showcase - Its like the developers concentrated on the visuals and forgot to put a 'game' in it.
I have no issue with Linear games either - Just look at Max Payne 3 and yet they also managed to add playability, replayabilty, style and substance as well as an innovative MP with its use of Bullet time. That Story was very linear but didn't rely on QTE's. I much prefer a variety of games and genres myself too. I also think linear games often have a much better and focussed story but most linear games don't forget they are 'games' too.
The issues Angry Joe mentions are no different to the majority of other peoples reviews. He doesn't say anything that many other reviewers haven't said and incidentally he does play and enjoy Helldivers!
The reason I posted is that you seem to think that people don't appreciate the graphical polish of the Order but like I said that equates to a very small part of a 'game'. I would rather play something that maybe not as good visually but offers more in terms of actual gaming and preferably more options too although that's not always important. Wolfenstein: TNO was a single player only game - It looked good (obviously not as good as the Order) and had good game play mechanics too. It offered replayability too.
For me, the most disappointing aspect is that the Order has a great setting and potential to have been a great 'game' - not cinematic experience! How much better would it have been if they had put a game to go with that. Do you think that Uncharted 4 doesn't look incredible (from what we have seen)? That no doubt will be a linear game too but also remember its a game as well.
I understand you like it and respect your opinion but to say that people don't appreciate 'visuals' and 'Production values' because they don't like the Order is unfair. I, like Angry Joe and probably every reviewer has said, the Order is the best looking title on any console currently - so that shows they acknowledged the visual presentation but a 'game' is MUCH more than that.

I really enjoyed it. It was a very linear game and also a 3rd person cover shooter mechanic. It had a good story, great production values, a lot of action and of course the Bullet Time was also great fun. It was also a very good looking game for its time and had a very cinematic art style. It didn't stop it being light on action either. It also had good MP that also had the Bullet Time mechanic and worked very well too. Its a great example of a Linear 3rd person game (available to all - unlike Gears of War) and one I very highly recommend.

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