Topic: Nintendo Labo

My issue with Labo is that I keep misreading the word as an anatomical part and then giggling. I think this says more about me then Nintendo though.

@KratosMD Like I already said, Skyward Sword is their worst selling 3D game, on their best selling console. I think that says enough. And yes, I bought it too, but I thought it was pretty bad. I think they've learned their lesson. Remember Star Fox Zero? None of us want to, but that was a thing too, and we all know how well that went. I think Nintendo has learned their lesson, keep the experimental stuff separate and don't shoehorn weird controls into the games. And even the games that are focused on motion controls (ARMS), offer a way to play without them. That wasn't the case before. That's why I'm not too worried.

It's weird how uncharacteristically angry some of you guys are getting. Pull your heads out your a*ses for a moment

@YummyHappyPills I never said that I was going to get rid of my Switch. And I love how you keep bringing up the Eye Toy.

You clearly aren't reading what I am posting. Sony doesn't not have a history of abandoning traditional gameplay with a wacky gimmick, this is the third time Nintendo has done something like this. If you look at their history the last normal system they had was the GameCube after that it's been one wacky gimmick after another. The Wii had has all waggling controllers, Wii U had an expensive gamepad that you couldn't go two feet with out being tethered to the system (and yes I get that if the Wii U didn't happened we wouldn't get the Switch) and now they have this even before key components like a Virtual Console are added to the Switch or streaming apps. So forgive me if I have doubt on a company who it seems their sole purpose is what kind of wacky gimmick can we shove down players throats.

@Tasuki why would Nintendo start making "normal" consoles, as you put it, given the success they've had going the other way, though? N64 and GC were hardly huge successes compared to the competition. The Wii was not for me but you can't deny it did very well. The Wii U was poorly executed but clearly the concept was sound given the success of the Switch.

So yeah it's fair to say Nintendo do odd stuff, but it's not as if it isn't working for them most of the time. I think when they become "normal" is when they will struggle.

@Tasuki They haven't abandoned anything.

Abandoning would imply no intent to return to. I'm pretty sure they have games with traditional gameplay in the pipeline that we already know about.

They aren't shoving this down your throat. They could not be more clear this is for children. A periphery demographic.

And yes I do bring up the EyeToy because it is the most apt comparison, not in functionality, but purpose. Use your system with all its core games, and have games made specifically for this peripheral product, that appeals to people who maybe don't play games as much, with different experiences.

These ideas wont take away anything from the core experience. Yes there is a history of having Wiimotes shoved in our faces and a second screen, but let me ask you, do you know WHY those were shoved in our faces?

Mandatory purchases. To use the system at all, you needed those gimmicks. To use ANY software, you needed those gimmicks. It was part of the minimum requirement for use, therefore it was shoved in our throats.

I then ask you, is Labo a minimum requirement to even use a Nintendo Switch? Is it a mandatory purchase? Is it the sole driving factor behind the machine existing, or does it fill a niche experimental product for a side market like VR, AR, Kinect, hell, the SEGA CD, as a completely optional purchase.

ANd please, provide evidence of Nintendo abandoning core gameplay in favour of making Switch a Labo machine. Go on, I'll wait. This is not the third time Nintendo has abandoned core gameplay for a gimmick. They have done that twice. All the core games in the same vein as the first 10 months of the console, are coming. They have proven that to us, hence the Directs and announcements last year detailing a good chunk of 2018 in the lineup.

Have they introduced a gimmick as an optional secondary purchase for the interested, and targeted, market, alongside the core, primary market of traditional gamers? Yes.

Is it a sign of them abandoning traditional gameplay in favour of a gimmick? No. There is no basis to the belief that they are, at this time or in the next few years, going to divert all resources from the games we know are coming, to require you to buy cardboard.

The day it becomes a mandatory purchase like the Kinect was planned to be with Xbox One, or Wii Remotes, or the Wii U Gamepad, then the gimmicks are being shoved down our throats.

Right now, you can ignore Labo. It is not aimed at you. It does not impact you. The games YOU want are still coming, just like the games I want from any other company be it Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft are still coming, despite them using their platforms for other ventures and experiences not aimed at me as a gamer.

People sure are passionate about cardboard .

I already said that I wasn't a fan of the idea & the last few days have reinforced that thought. It doesn't affect me, but big picture-wise it doesn't seem smart.

Whether you like it or not the Nintendo Switch is now associated with cardboard.
As @YummyHappyPills stated it's for a different audience & not necessarily the core gamer.

However, Nintendo are riding on a lot of goodwill at the minute with the core gamer do the strength of its exclusives.
I genuinely believe that Labo hurts their standing with them.

Labo is a fine idea- mid life cycle. I don't know why Nintendo would prioritise this over their online service & the Switch is still finding it's feet.

The Cardboard jokes will follow the Switch for the rest of its life cycle.
As an observer the Switch definitely seems to have lost a bit of its 'coolness' factor- just going off the reactions online.

Then again Nintendo share holders must be happy with the effect it has had on the stock.

@Fight_Teza_Fight What's wrong with the online though? The fact that we're not paying for it?

Holy Jeezus Crust, the cardboard salt is real. Regardless of what you think of it, is this really worth this much gamer rage?

@Octane Yes it's terrible mate . In all honesty though, I'm a big fan of PS+.
@KratosMD I definitely get where you're coming from. Just the usual suspect trying to stir the pot, whether intentional or not.

I actually like the idea and love having Nintendo around as they're refreshing. They don't listen to the market on what they "should" be doing and just play their own game. That should be commended in my opinion. Would you really want them to be another Sony/MS? I know I wouldn't.

This is just another creative idea from the company that innovates in games over and over again. It's not for the hardcore like you and me.

Personally Labo isn't something I'd be interested in though I would be happy constructing it, just not using it...

@Fight_Teza_Fight Paying for online that could easily be free of charge? Or the ''free'' games that may as well be a separate subscription at this point?

@Octane I own a PS4, PSVR and a PSVita, so there's usually something for me in the 'free' games department. I benefit the most from the additional PS+ discounts as I'm digital only for VR and Vita.
Also cloud storage! Never thought I needed that until someone bricked my PS4 on new years day (I'm still downloading games from that fallout). Last time it went down to £30/year I stocked up 3 years worth. It's a great deal for someone like me. Trust me I've done the math .

Anyways cardboard...
I mean Labo.

@Fight_Teza_Fight I get what you're talking about though. I just think that cloud storage should be free, a service provided with the system. It's cheap anyway. And since we can't make our own back-up files, I think we should have at least one option that is free of charge.

@Kidfried Yeah I know, that's why I don't have that much of an issue with paying for cloud storage (just the fact that it's bundled together with the rest of PS+). Switch will get cloud storage eventually I think, but unless they somehow allow us to make our own back-up files, I think it should be free, since cloud storage would be our only way to back-up our saves in that case.

@Kidfried I don't think people are that stupid. TV, telephone and internet plans have multiple options. Even my healthcare plan has a giant checklist of things I want and don't want. Having the PS+ games, cloud storage and online play available as separate options won't hurt.

I'll be happy to pay $20/year for cloud storage on my Switch. Actually, if PS4 had a $20 cloud storage option, I'd probably pop for that, too. Unfortunately, even with a steep sale price, it's still double that to sub for a year, no matter what you want from it. And at $60/year... shudders

@Octane @Ralizah @Kidfried @Fight_Teza_Fight Im wondering how the Nintendo service will pan out.

Its fine as is without one.

I remember vanilla xbox live when all we did was pay for online play. That was bs. Money down the drain so to speak. Since then psplus and xbox live have offered really great value. I cant envisage any of us being happy paying an annual sum for a bare bones service and a nes game a month, it will be ripped to shreds especially with xbox offering all their games at release on a similar plan.

@themcnoisy I don't need free games or discounts, because 90% of my game purchases are day one, and I prefer physical copies for the big titles. That part of PS+ is entirely pointless. Yet it's required for online, there's no way I can only get the online access without paying for all the fluff that's marking up the price. I think that shows how cheap it is to run dedicated servers (because most of their games don't even use them), if they need all this extra stuff to make it worthwhile. With PS+ you're not paying for the online anymore, which was the original premise, you're paying for the ''free'' games and discounts.

@Octane the original premise for plus was the free games and discounts, not online play. That's how it started, on PS3. Now people see these things as a bonus, but it was the other way round. That shift in priorities when PS4 came out is a big reason people have such wildly different opinions and expectations of the service imo.