Topic: PS5 Rumour and Speculation Thread

@Kidfried I too was very disappointed with this generation and the specs of the hardware. The CPU is woefully inadequate - especially compared to last gen. Of course its more cores but also half the speed and when compared to the GPU, 'out of balance'. Last Gen was more balanced and, in Sony's case, the CPU was the most complex and forward thinking part. It was maybe held back with multi-platform releases because games were not built for the complex nature of the Cell processor. Also the way the RAM was built didn't help but the CPU was much stronger on both last gen systems.

The GPU and RAM was significantly improved fr this gen but the CPU wasn't improved by the same margin. It was literally enough to boost 'visual' presentation to 'full HD' - similar to the design principals of the iterative hardware. Big boost to GPU to handle better visuals but little improvements to areas that could improve frame rates and evolve 'game design'.

As for loading times, I remember when games took 20-30mins to load so under a minute is not a big deal to me. I have noticed the Xbox X improved loading times - and that includes 4k HDR games with 'new' high res assets. Some of it is down to more bandwidth to enable more data to flow, much faster RAM etc so I can see a PS5 being 'faster' to load than the PS4/Pro despite higher res, more details and higher quality assets.

I find it funny that a few years ago, people were 'amazed' at 4k Screenshots of games like the Witcher 3, Division etc and now we can achieve this in console gaming, its too soon - despite 4k TV's being on the market for nearly 4years now. I find it funny that people went crazy over the jump from 720 - 1080p visuals that this gen offered - how good games like AC4, Tomb Raider, Last of Us, Nathan Drake collection etc looked over the PS3 era, but the jump up to 4k - especially by those without 4k TV's is not important. I still can't get over how hypocritical people are either - praising visuals that only this gen has enabled - fawning over 'Photo' modes - especially on the Pro in games like Horizon, GTS, ACO etc and how fantastic those worlds look yet reluctant to embrace the 'next' step. I bet as soon as Sony do release the PS5, their will be many gamers stunned at the quality of the visuals then. Even those of us with Pro's are amazed at the quality of the visuals and step up over 1080p that can offer. HDR is literally breathtaking too - watching a sunrise/sunset in Horizon:ZD is simply stunning. I know that it can look impressive on a PS4 too but imagine what difference a PS5 could have made - not just to the games we have already but those coming out. Its a much bigger jump than AC4 on PS3 to AC4 on PS4. It could be a bigger jump than U4 on Pro too. Plus if Sony do use a more capable CPU, then chances are, we could be playing games like God of War, Spider-Man, Days Gone and Last of Us 2 at 60fps.

Most mobiles have a higher Pixel per inch count than a 4k TV. Apples iPad has roughly 267ppi yet my 55" has 80ppi. Sony's 4k mobile has over 800ppi. There is no doubt that 4k is the next step and the standard by which Sony will target for its PS5. Whether you want to upgrade to 4k or not, the PS5 will definitely be aimed at the 4k market primarily and, like the X, most likely to offer super-sampling for the 1080p hangers on.

Those of us with 4k TV's also know how 'poor' (I use poor in a comparative way here as I know the games are not 'poor' visually) 1080p and under games look when they have to be upscaled to fit on a 4k screen. I am sure you know how 'poor' a DVD or SD channel looks on a 1080p screen compared to a Bluray or HD channel. All that 'blur and softness' is a result of interpolating the image - filling in the spaces with a 'average' colour pixel. Instead of having that 'sharp' black next to white, you get a black to grey to white which softens and blurs the image. I know with 4k, the pixels are smaller so the 'blur/softness' isn't so pronounced as a 540p on 1080p TV would be but that's IF a game is at 1080p. 720-900p games look worse in terms of blur etc but 900p is less than 20% of the screen area. Point is, if you do upgrade your TV, suddenly PS4/XB1 games look 'worse' because of the upscaling. Its not as if the games aren't made for 4k in the first place and 'scaled' down for consoles. It again makes sense to build a PS5 to run the games as close to the vision of the devs with far less compromises to the experience. Visuals are 'important' even if they are not the most important. Just look at the uproar that a 'visual' downgrade can cause. Peoples first impressions count - even a CGi trailer - not actual game footage or details can make many really excited and look forward to a game. Also, if a game looks terrible or 'something' is not quite right, that can be quite detrimental to its 'success'. I know some games are successful without great visuals (Minecraft) and some 'visually' impressive games (like the Order) flop but generally, 'visuals' are out first impression and can make/break games before anyone even plays them to see if their 'impression' is justified or not. Graphics always mattered as part of the 'experience' and its as important as great audio too.

Would also like to see some form of wireless charging for controllers. May as well push the boat out. Maybe detachable "wings" from the next dualshock to act as independent "move" controllers for VR. Actually..that last bit sounds horrible.

I admit I am not keen on the trend towards service based games and the trend towards 'Loot' boxes. I don't have a problem with Loot boxes themselves though as they can be a 'good' incentive to earn these or at least 'currency' to earn these in game. Having some 'Random' loot fr completing enough matches, a new level etc is not an issue. I do think that they should not be monetized in full price AAA games though - but as an in-game reward, I don't have an issue - even less if its just cosmetic.

I think that selling a armour/camo/skin set for real money is 'just' acceptable - if people want to customise their character, not getting the luck with in-game random Loot, they could have the option to buy - not a chance to win but to actually buy the item(s) you wanted. Again only 'Cosmetic' items.

I am not yet at the point of boycotting games with 'Loot' boxes and I have 'never' spent money on any 'random' loot. I have bought the odd camo in the past, bought Season Passes and DLC though. If I did boycott games, I wouldn't have many games to play - games like Destiny 2, CoD:WW2, ACO, SWBF2 etc all have loot boxes but I have still purchased these. How much they get played, how likely I am to pre-order in the future etc will be determined by 'experience' and how much impact these have. I am increasingly thinking that I will look to buy games that are service based or with RNG systems when they have dropped in price or even 2nd hand now - just my way of sending a message but not 'cutting off my nose to spite my face'.

100% cloud storage would be great. No more storage issues. Optional hard drive for those that need it.

@Hapuc Out of all of those games I play Destiny and one thing that cant be described as is bad value for money.

I dont like micros etc, but saying its our fault is crazy when the majority (i hope) of people who visit and contribute on pushsquare are against them too. Its being pushed that way as it makes billions from idiots.

@themcnoisy That's the thing Push Square doesn't represent the majority of gamers that person/website doesn't exist no matter how popular he/she/it is.

Instead when this stuff started we didn't do anything everyone was saying it's just skins it's not a big deal.
Well look where we are and they don't expect you to spend 200$ in a day or a week but they do expect 200$ in a month.
Long term profit is the main goal now.

@Hapuc thats not true as some of us HAVE tried to do something. I think we are on the same side here, but your original comment said this;

"Man I'm watching this thread and a lot of other ones too and people are moaning how gaming is dying and turning to service base models etc etc.
Well to bad this is your creation gamers and no one elses you made your bed now lie in it."

I cant speak for everyone but alot of big game fans, not necessarily older fans but gamers who jump onto sites like pushsquare and buy a variety of games are against micros and the way gaming is heading. Why should we be silent when its a complete sham? I love gaming its my favourite pastime but you are wrong if you think we are gonna be happy to lie in a bed of broken glass.

Anyway Ive derailed the thread enough. PS5 2019.

@BAMozzy love that comment Bam. Hope you have fun, but part of me wants you to have a terrible time on those games too lol.

@themcnoisy But most of us do nothing about it (and still don't do nothing about it) and yes we gamers made this mess and now we have to lie in it whether you agree or not it's our fault when I said everyone I didn't mean literally every gamer but the majority said It's just skins it's not a big deal and look where we are.

@Hapuc disagree, most gamers of a certain ilk have never agreed with the additionals. Wherever preorder bonus, missing levels, loot boxes etc. The whole games as a service line is a new phenomena. However you do realise you are free to get off when you want. Thats why certain people including myself are wondering why we are still on the train. I honestly couldnt wait to get my ps4, boss console. But the feeling towards triple A gaming is now predominantly apathy. Its a third party swizz and not a very good one. I will continue to game and use pushsquare to guide me on the games to play but if the new Sony boss sticks microtransactions in Sony games then theres no way in hell Im getting a PS5. Thats my personal take on the situation anyway.

@KratosMD spot on bro. That is a great summary. To be fair the vocal minority have managed in some capacity to fend off the pay all the time model but that stream is becoming a flood and the market has changed.

@themcnoisy

You can't say most gamers "hate it" when the opposite is happening and I mean literally PC gamers hate that 95% of games have one or two drm programs are attached to their games yet no one is taking a stance.

Console gamers hate that they have to pay 60$ a year to play online yet the Biggest network service is Playstation which means majority of gamers(Casual Market disagrees with that).

Most of us gamers who game a lot know that Having Microtransactions in Full fledged 60$ is Bull but guess what the majority of market doesn't agree with that because Destiny/Cod/Battlefront 2 are full with them and those Microtransactions bring in the most money.

@Hapuc

Im not saying most 'gamers' hate it. I said most 'gamers of a certain ilk' hate it. Completely different.

As for PSplus the service also includes party chat, free games and additional discounts. The free games is why I prescribe. Psplus is great value imo.

As for microtransactions, for casual gamers its become the norm. Absolutely no point taking a stand against a company like EA you may as well just boycott them. Like i have done. EA will have microtransactions in every single game now.

We are talking about different things here and to be honest way off the thread topic. I think the general consensus is psplus is fine as the value is great and the instant game collection is the main attraction.

Microtransactions are wrong as they are unbalancing games and even games which previously wouldnt have rng mechanics are starting to sport them. Thats why I made my initial post about maybe leaving ps5 and cracking on with more retro stuff, unsure why you had to attack my initial post as I think Im on the same side as you.

@themcnoisy What .I wasn't attacking your post I just said how i saw everyone is moaning(On Push Square and A lot of other sites) how Microtransactions and lootboxes are ruining games etc etc.
And i said Microtransations are our fault we allowed them to make them and start making profit and now we suffer for it.

ps5
1. look like a modern ps2 but with slot load the buttons would stick out less and have blue or rgb lights
2.2 usb 3.1 on front with blue around it with usb type c and 1 usb 3.1 in rear also hdmi 2.0 or display port capable of 4k and 60fps or 1080 on screen with one vr headset and cam port
3.controller close to ps4 look but with usb type c and nfc reader and wireless charging and app, for smartphone play(micro,type c only)(VR will also use smartphones or can buy headset)

I definitely think Sony is waiting for GDDR6 and 7nm.

I just hope there isn't a PS5 Pro so it can run 8k games, or whatever buzz word the marketing suits decide what will be popular next.

@JohnnyShoulder I think the chances of a Pro will depend more on the power of the PS5 and, to a degree, what MS do next. 8k gaming I think is unrealistic in consoles for the next 5yrs at least. 8k is 4x 4k and 16x 1080p. Unless some technology comes out that really boosts GPU performance (get more out of the floating point instruction than they do now) or they can build GPU's with much more power relatively cheaply, I can't see 8k being targeted by consoles for a while.

The jump up from full HD requires roughly a 4x jump in GPU to get 4k and would need a 16x jump to hit 8k. The X at 6tflops isn't enough to do 4k consistently and I wouldn't be surprised if the PS5 is around 8tflops. That maybe adequate for most games - not at 'ultra' settings but at decent settings to do 4k so in theory, you may need 32tflops for 8k - 4x 8tflops to give 4x the resolution. You may need a lot vRAM too.

I think its much more likely that we will see higher frame rates - frame rates greater than 60fps rather than increases to resolution. With HDMI 2.1, you can get 4k/120 HDR and Game VRR (Freeync 2.0), the TV's should be able to cope with any 'frame rate' smoothly - not just 30/60fps. Games could target 80 or even 100fps or unlocked between 80 and 100fps with no 'judder or screen tear because the frame rate always matches the screen's refresh rate.

I wouldn't be surprised though if the PS5 is looking to deliver 4k/60 in those games that are 30fps on current hardware. Maybe games like CoD could have an 'unlocked' frame rate and rely on VRR or capped to 60fps option for older TV's but I think they will look more at targeting 60fps to have that edge (as well as more consistent 4k) over the X. IF and its a big IF Sony feel the need to make a Pro - either because some games can't do full 4k/60 (as games do seem to need more resources over time) or because MS are offering (upto) 4k/120 with its 'next box', then Sony could make a PS5 Pro to deliver a higher standard 4k visual and higher frame rates. As you know, graphics are not just resolution - but a combination of multiple visual settings of which resolution is just one of those. It may be that the PS5 may still have to settle for dynamic scaling and 'medium/high' visual settings, limitations on draw distances etc that a 'Pro' boost could improve without necessarily needing to go above 4k.

As games now are offering 'enhanced' visual modes, the PS5 could for example be delivering 'enhanced' visual modes with dynamically scaling 1600-1800p but on a Pro, these are full 4k and the 4k mode instead of running at 50-60fps, now runs at 100-120fps. It makes more sense to me than looking to make a 8k 'PS5 Pro' in the next 4-5yrs - assuming we see a PS5 in the next year or two so a Pro 3yrs later.

Still feel like talking about PS5 is a bit premature. Around 2014/15 I thought for sure we'd be seeing a new console in 2018 or 2019 but now I'm thinking 2020 or maybe even 2021. The PS4 has just now started to really hit its stride as far as high quality games that aren't remasters, and it has more on the way. There's also the fact the console saw it's biggest year ever in terms of hardware shifted in 2017. While I expect that will slow down over the next few years, I don't think the drop off will be so great that Sony has to panic and release the PS5 earlier than it wants to. I guess we'll see.

@Gamer83 My take is that it all depends on how the XboneX does. If it starts to surge and eat away some of the market share, then Sony will probably pull the trigger and push the development of PS5 sooner. If OneX continues to struggle, then I agree that Sony can take their time.
Personally I’m rooting for a couple more years. Like @Kidfried , I would need to get a fancy HDR 4K TV first, and I need a little time before I make that investment anyways, and hoping the price of the TVs drops beforehand.
Within the next 1-2 yrs, I do think I might make the smaller investment into the PS4Pro for the sheer fact of getting the boosted performance enhancement, but I don’t know. I just love my vanilla PS4 so much as is!