Sony, it seems, really is building a superpowered PlayStation 4 console. Following last week's Kotaku reports, Digital Foundry has now thrown its hat into the ring, revealing that it's aware of the mid-generation refresh, that PlayStation R&D labs already have access to the hardware, and that multiple sources are referring to it as PlayStation 4K. It's almost certainly real behind closed doors, then.
The question is whether or not the platform holder intends to bring it to market, and what form it will take. The tech site proposes three distinct possibilities: a completely overhauled appliance with a boost to its graphical capabilities, an overclocked or evolved edition of the existing unit, or a more conventional PS4 Slim with very minor improvements to the hardware.
All of these options would be compatible with 4K televisions, which seems to be one of the bigger drivers behind the hardware refresh. However, the Digital Foundry report notes that none of the above suggestions would necessarily be potent enough to push 3840x2160 in the most graphically demanding of games. Uncharted 4: A Thief's End in 4K, for example, would be a struggle.
At which point, it ponders what the purpose of this upgrade would be. Pushing graphics tech forwards is becoming increasingly more difficult in the console arena, so perhaps Sony sees a half-step as necessary while it waits for the true leap that the PlayStation 5 may bring. It's not clear, and it's also not apparent whether it will even adopt this model in the first place.
What is clear, however, is that it's at the very least working on it.
[source eurogamer.net]
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It sounds to me like a refined PS4 but with Sony pushing the 4k movies angle like Blu Ray was for PS3. Anything more them that would be potentially disastrous.
Yeah, I'm starting to think this may be a PS4 Slim with a 4K Blu-ray player and some upscaling features that would re-render 1080p in a way that looks nicer on a 4K TV.
To be honest, I'd be cool with that. It would be 100% compatible with the existing unit, would offer some nice marketing bulletpoints, wouldn't push the cost up too much, and, crucially, wouldn't change enough that early adopters feel burnt.
My guess: A PS4K with AC/5 GHz wifi, 4k/HDR media support, and the PSVR breakout box built in.
As long as Playstation 4K games work on PlayStation 4, I don't see a problem.
@get2sammyb I actually hope it is this, since i don't want to feel obliged to buy the system and a 4K TV.
I hope this is the case but my concern would be that if this was purely about 4K media, upscaling and integration of the PSVR PSU why is it that they seem to have been talking to so many developers? If there are no performance changes I don't see why they would need detailed discussions etc.
I hope this is happening! Finally a good reason to buy a "slim" model other than the bigger HDD. And Sony isn't insane, neither are all the major publishers: of course they're not abandoning PS4 1.0, the new PS4k will just be able to run games a bit better! People who are crying foul about Sony "betraying" them should just think before they start ranting on and on about this OR should be honest and say that they realize the old PS4 will be almost fully compatible, but they just don't want others to have a better console then they do; they went ahead and bought a PS4 so they can humiliate One owners every chance they get, so if their precious PS4's performance would be worse than that of a new PlayStation, they can't make others feel miserable anymore!
This should be the future: affordable consoles every 3 year, all based on the same architecture. They will use widely available parts that give an incredible performance, but aren't as expensive as they were 2 years back when they were the hottest piece of tech around. No more PSs that cost $800 and are still sold at a loss, instead they'll make affordable hardware that is sold with a small profit, which has a revision every 2 or 3 years to give the consumers a chance to keep up with the latest tech. The first year the 2.0 model will be mainly used to play backward and forward compatible games at a better resolution, but after some time there will be big publishers that want their games to reach its full potential and make an PS4 2.0 exclusive; at that point, 4 or 5 years after you spend $399 on your console it's up to you to decide if you want to keep up, or wait a bit till the next iteration is out or 2.0 is cheaper.
We all win!
They would be foolish to undo current goodwill by splitting the user base.
If they do, I think it will be because of PSVR. Maybe they are hitting game limitations or something.
However, a 4k bundle is fine as most users won't have that enternainment ability right now.
I would prefer a 4K capable PS4 but not if it affects the library of games for others - including future releases.
In the case of something like U4 (for example) my TV will automatically upscale to 4K anyway - otherwise the image would only take up a quarter of the screen. And yes it does look 'sharper', better than my 1080p TV even though the 'source' is the same. Its the same with what ever 'source' I put into it Sky TV, XB1, PS4 so having a PS4k that renders upscales 1080p before my TV does it is not really any benefit. I am sure that some upgrade to the Bluray software on the current PS4 could (if it doesn't already) enable native 4k playback.
In my mind, a PS4k, would have the technical 'grunt' for games to play 'natively' in upto 4k. Games would have 'graphic' options - like the PC - that enable you to select the resolution. If you have the standard PS4, these in-game options may be limited or even unavailable. Existing games could receive a 'patch' that puts this option in - maybe a sizeable one if it means updating the whole textures pack. Imagine having a patch that enables games like the Witcher 3 to play in up to 4k or even 1440/60fps.
As long as its running the same OS and has the same 'drivers' it should run the same 'software' as the standard PS4. Its Architecture would be similar - just more grunt - a bigger, faster CPU (8 core, 2.4ghz+), more RAM (maybe 16GB) and a better GPU. A better Bluray player and maybe a better HDMi out as well.
@get2sammyb
Maybe in response to the survey that the NX having 4K streaming capabilities?
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/01/rumour_online_survey_mentions_nxs_4k_video_streaming_900p_gameplay_and_hybrid_hardware
I don't care about 4k, most games aren't going to do that on a PS4, maybe they're just beefing it up so you don't need all the extra junk for VR.
@BAMozzy "Existing games could receive a 'patch' that puts this option in - maybe a sizeable one if it means updating the whole textures pack."
Why waste hard drive space on the version 1.0?
Is this going to be like the 3DS vs New 3DS with the 1 exclusive game.
Hopefully PlayStation keeps it "For The Players" & doesn't harm/hinder ver 1.0 owners or they will loose those players when the PS5 comes out.
I also hope this is not a history repeat like Sega dividing it's users 32X vs Saturn.
@get2sammyb that sounds good because no way in hell can i afford a new PS4 (or whatever they call it maybe PS4k) and a 4K TV and it's the same for a lot of people
@SkanetWasTaken Unlikely to happen.
I hope it would have a better HDD and more usb ports. That would get me on board.
I think a slightly enhanced PS4 Slim is the most likely. Honestly, though, I wish we'd worry less about 4K and more about 60 fps.
@FullbringIchigo I already have the 4K TV and these can be bought for less money than PSVR. PS4k hasn't got a price so its difficult to know whether or not its 'affordable' yet. I get the impression though, that if you don't have a 4K TV, this PS4k is not gong to be of any benefit to you anyway. It sounds as though the standard PS4 will still be playing the games you already have and will be able to buy.
Its NOT forcing you buy a 4K TV to lay the latest games, like a new console does!
@get2sammyb I am leaning towards that's what this is going to be, not a true PS4k. Part of me still thinks all of this is stemming from Sony doing R&D on their next playstation, and letting the rumor and idea grow to throw shade on their competition. Either way, it's smart.
I would support a PS4 slim with 4k features.
I will not support a PS4 that divides the user base in any major way.
@get2sammyb Based on the releases of PS One, PS2 Slimline and PS3 slim would a PS4 Slim be due out this year or next? I tried google but can't find a simple timeline.
I'd like to see a PS4VR rather than a PS4k as they push VR, to cut out that middle "processor unit" box and all those cables - I don't have a free electrical outlet either - but since they went thru all the trouble to make all of that junk, releasing a new PS4 VR before the PS VR headset doesn't really make sense. And releasing it right after everybody buys all those cables is going to create a lot more animosity than splitting the PS4 base.
Also, why make a PS4k now trying to push 4k to the TV while they are trying to get people to turn off their tv and buy a $400 visor to game on/in? Next spring might work for a PS4k after the PSVR hype is over, it would give them something new to promote all of 2017.
So that's my best guess, PS4k in spring 2017, if that's when PS4 slim would be due anyway, but no PS4VR as they keep selling that processor unit and all those cables. PS5 will have it all built in.
Though I'd prefer this year, waited this long, but I'll keep waiting until the PS4 slim if I think it will be an improvement, more than enough backlog to keep me going another 2-3 years.
@rjejr I originally thought they'd have a Slim out this year, but if they're going to completely re-market it like this I'm not sure they'd risk it at the same time as PSVR, so I think next year, too.
It'll be the same as the PS3 was pushing Blu-Ray, the PS4 will be doing 4K films etc & not games in 4K. It's a good idea for Sony having a option to have a more powerful PS4 with 4K, & the original PS4. Also the games will be 60fps 1080p & what there are now on the original PS4 30fps 1080p, it'll also not split up the user base.
@get2sammyb Thanks for the feedback. I also think it's possible they don't really need a "Slim" model b/c they enjoy those etch-able top panels and it's selling so well and now they are so focused on PSVR. And the PS4 hardware seems solid, no issues since the "blue blinking light of death" in Nov 2013 and that's w/ nearly 40m in sales. BTW I predict a 40m PS4 announcement in early April. And maybe 45m by end of May. They really don't seem to need a slim on any level. PS4k or PS4VR in 2017 it is.
@get2sammyb
Remember what the NetFlix CEO said about a year and a half ago,.....that both Sony and Microsoft had confirmed to him that would be releasing 4k compatabile models in time.
Hope it comes out this fall, I wouldn't want Sony to shoot VR in the foot or anything.
Another possible reason to release it this year, one of the main selling points of the Nintendo NX is that it will likely be 4k streaming capable.
@BAMozzy that was my point, i was thankful it ISN'T forcing an upgrade because some of us have a minimum wage jobs you know and something like a 4K TV is a luxury we can't afford
hell even the PS4 itself was something i had to save for months in advance and my current TV is at least 7 old now too because i can't afford to update (it's a Sony Bravia though so it's still a really good TV set)
@FullbringIchigo I too had to save up for my equipment. My TV was around 10yrs old but developed a fault so I had to replace it. By shopping around in sales, I managed to get a decent 4K set. I bought my XB1 5months after release because it was 'cheaper' to upgrade to that than my PS3 (I already had Gold and some Season Passes would transfer up so didn't need to buy again - meaning the equivalent PS4 was over £150 more). It took me another year to save up to get my PS4 combined with price cuts of course.
I don't drink, drive, own a mobile or go out (cinema, socialising etc) so my expenditure is kept down. If Sony released a PS4k today for example, I certainly couldn't go out and buy one. Circumstances has led me to owning a 4K TV already but if my original set was still running, I wouldn't have ended up with it.
I try and put a certain amount back each month so that I can afford things if and when they become available. I haven't bought a 'new' release since November and my next game (Uncharted 4) is already paid for. If I knew Sony are releasing a PS4k in the near future, I would cut back on everything possible - including my food bill to save more money per month and still probably couldn't buy at launch. Like I said though, because I don't own a mobile or car and don't drink etc, my overheads are not that high so I can save some money for emergencies...
@get2sammyb
"Yeah, I'm starting to think this may be a PS4 Slim with a 4K Blu-ray player and some upscaling features that would re-render 1080p in a way that looks nicer on a 4K TV."
I'm pretty much hoping for this. As much as a new unit with better graphics would be cool, it would basically be a new console with backwards compatibility with the PS4, in that new releases would have to make a decision: Do they take advantage of the new hardware, giving the existing base an inferior product, or do they 'settle' for the old unit's capabilities?
I think this would seriously split the base to the point where game reviews would now have to list different scores for each version. "The PS4.5 version truly shines with higher quality textures and better lighting. The PS4 version suffers from pop-ins and frame rate issues."
Unless the upgraded guts ONLY helped with frame rates, PS4K only, please.
4K TV's are now affordable you do not need to spend a large sum of money buying them. There are still not a lot of movies though done in the format but that will expand over time. Whether we get a 4.5 version PS in unclear but the next system will need to be 4K compatible so they might as well get the system in place now. Like a previous poester mentioned I would prefer to see more regular console update every 3-4 years with backward compatibility on each system. Which could be more likely if they stick to the same architecture.
make the PS4 a 4K player streamer? I'll pass, that would be a waste of money being that I could get a stand alone a lot cheaper.
Even if they made games 4K capable I would be highly upset as an early adopter, seriously! Yes to cross play and no to buyers remorse.
Sign me up. 4k all day. Hate playing like a peasant, bring it on.
60inch at 1080p give me a break.
@Boerewors You are right the price was almost at 50 % lower and so we upgrade faster and cheaper.
If all it does it play 4k, I can live without buying a new one.
I want a 4K twin-turbo supercharged x100-164 AMD Jaguar, 12 cores GPU: 2.94 TFLOPS, AMD Radeon™ Graphics Core PS4.
Well....... ? What do you all think, besides i'm crazy lol.
Need the 4ktv first...
Blah...
4k is such an overhyped thing. I am perfectly fine with 1080p, and have no interest in investing in a new TV until my current one drops dead. And by that time 4K might not even be a thing.
However, if this is needed to run some PSVR games properly, they need to make that perfectly clear to consumers with preorders who are innocently assuming their current hardware is good enough. Like me.
Me being an idiot, I don't even know what 4k is.
I just hope I'm not forced to get it. I may not have a PS4 now, but I really don't need different versions with fancier tech to confuse me. If it's just for better graphics, then I couldn't care less.
@themcnoisy - I run a 63 inch 1080p. AWESOME picture! I'd have no problems running 1080p on a much larger tv. Hell, even sharps 90" 1080p has a nice picture
@DerMeister 4k is twice the resolution of 1080p. I cant remember the exact numbers its 2400x3900 or something like that. The actually term should be called 2160p due to our naming conventions 4k makes it sound like its 4x as clear. So its 2160p.
The huge benefit if they keep ratios the same we can literally have twice the game shown on screen on a huge tv - imagine Uncharted with complete peripheral vision and additional screen space given to the y axis (up and down) or cod with 180 degree in front if you rather than 75 now for instance.
As long as they don't make games that are exclusive to just that model, sony will be fine. There's no way that I'm buying another PS4. Other than all of that, just make it to where the games can be played on both models, and I'm a happy camper. Make it different to where you will have to buy another console to get the enjoyment out of sony...it's going to make a lot of people unhappy with them. Hopefully this doesn't happen, as I have a Wii U, and nintendo may make another console for this year...which will make a lot of Wii U fans unhappy that they're giving up on the console already. This kind of thing made me mad with Sega, when they gave up on the Dreamcast that early in its life.
PlayStation 4 in its itself was totally unnecessary, never mind a 4.5 or even mentioning a PlayStation 5!!!!
The PS4K/PS4.5 is purely Sony being very unsure and very wary of the Nintendo NX and how it could be perceived as a generation above PS4 by General consumers and they don't want to lose their crown.
@themcnoisy I gotcha. Thanks for the explanation.
Thing is, I'm the kind of guy who thinks that "if it works, it's good enough". 1080 is good enough for me, I have a good enough picture as is, so I still don't feel the need to upgrade. If this isn't mandatory, then I'm fine.
@DESS-M-8 I highly doubt Nintendo's NX is the reason for PS4.5. Nintendo has to win back a good number of consumers first before Sony and Microsoft start looking over their shoulders.
My TV is only 780p. So in about 10 years I'll be able to afford a 4k TV (maybe?). I'm sure my PS7 will look great on it. I'll Wait for PS5, thanks Sony.
@adf86 I'd be pissed off if it's anything more than this.
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