PS4 Pro Confirmed, Launches November 2016 for $399

Gotta get that Pro, son.

Excited much will hold off on vr to get this

I`m goin´pro, bro =)

Looks like a double slim but I'm getting one

I'd love to get this day one but after spending £350 on 13th October for psvr, I can't see me raising a further £350 in the space of a month. I'm hoping Game will do a trade in option for my current PS4, that might help bring the price down. I'm definitely getting it at some point though

Just need a store to start taking pre-orders.....

And it's confirmed now more than ever as a waste of money for existing PS4 owners and further confirms the original PS4 was unnecessary and early.

Not yet playing ps4? Existing ps4 toasted? Get a pro.
Any other position? Waste of your hard earned cash.

COD infinite war looks a joke.

Andrew house sounds like a 10 year old girl.

Great show, most laughs I've had in a while

I'm a pro word up son

That's a big nope...

So I gotta ask- do you guys think this is worth it without a 4K tv? I have a PS4 already, and am considering VR after Christmas sometime.

I just wonder how much better the Pro will be for 1080p gameplay.

Does the console not support 4k bluray?

I'm definitely considering it.

Not a chance, thanks.

no way!

$399 is a smart move for Sony, anything over that would have reduced sales dramatically.

I'm not terribly interested just yet but my launch PS4 has auto-eject bug, so who knows?

If GameStop has a ridiculous trade promotion on the Pro, it still might make sense for me.

It was really cool to see this finally announced.I probably will get a Slim over this because I don't have a 4K TV or a ton of money, but I hope to at least try the Pro at some point.

I'd like a VR + pro pack.
Is the pro 1GB and can you copy your current PS4 onto it?

Waiting for info on the DS4, meh. Didnt they also show a new cam at the end... ??

I'd be interested if Sony were offering existing owners a large discount to upgrade. I would never have purchased my PS4 if I'd known that an upgraded PS4 would be released.

Guess we'll never fully appreciate a game running on a PS4 Pro unless we see it on a 4K TV with our very own eyes or it streams in 4K on YouTube. Watching it in 1080p is pointless.

I'd of got the Pro if I wasn't all for Xbox but seeing as I am, I'll stick to my XB1s till Scorpio is unveiled, hope the rumoured specs are true, it would be nice for an Xbox being more powerful than a Playstation for once.

Yeah, I'm going to pick it up around launch. Looking forward to it!

Now that we know what this is, I'm not surprised they were able to get it in at $399. There's nothing really 'pro' about it, however, and just seems like a waste of money, just like VR. Money that could've been spent making more first party games.

No 4K BluRay support? Lol. No thanks. Complete joke.

Not really convinced that its worth ditching my old PS4 for this machine. Will need to see side by side comparisons of games and performance. Also the need to buy a new 4k Tv is not urgent because there is not even a lot of content available right now from Tv trhough to movies. Agree with a few posters here will wait and see what happens with the Scorpio next year and Nintendo's new machine.

From another site it was mentioned the PS4 Pro will have a 1TB HDD. Seems like the biggest advantages to the PS4 Pro and updated current PS4 is that you will have HDR support (on the right television), but the Pro will run 4K as the others (at least the original PS4) won't because of their HDMI 1.4 limitation. But the Pro will support faster FPS or effects based on the developers choice.

@nico07 original PS4 will be getting HDR support through a firmware upgrade so its not exclusive to the Pro

@FourPlay As soon as I heard this on Twitter, I thought it was a mistake.

Nope. Sony just gifted MS a major selling point this holiday. Wow.

Expect a ton of 4K TV/Xbox One S bundles this Black Friday.

As someone who's constantly disappointed with how PS4 games run (namely the framerate), I wanted to see some side-by-side comparisons of games on SLIM and PRO. That's ultimately the deciding factor, since I'm not interested in 4K at all. Otherwise I'm saving up for a new computer.

I'm with @Gamer83 on this for different reasons.

Despite seeming like a cake the slim.is a good move and price point. Pro however...I don't get it. If all consoles get the HDR boost (That I physically cannot see so...) this is just a 4k device? Are games 4k? All I saw was not game images followed by ooh HDR.

As for faster load times? I doubt it. The ps4 has a built in USB hdd. Not exactly speedy when it's from a laptop too. And 1tb won't hold much 4k content if any is downloaded.

4k is nice too if you have it.

I just don't see it. Pro perhaps but it has no reason to be pro. Waiting for Scorpio now

if you don't have a current gen console then it's a great option, but otherwise, if you do, i see no reason to shell out 350 quid especially if you don't own a 4K TV. if you think horizon or witcher or whatever is going to run at 60fps on regular 1080p sets, you'll be hugely disappointed imo.

did they release any spec info..or just say here is the pro it is better?
i have xbox and ps..id happily sell on my xbox to have two ps4s if it were worth it..xbox exclusives arent floating my boat where ps is..all i want is to play games in two rooms...and PStv is bleedin laughable.

As others have said I think Microsoft will be happy with what was announced today. The 2nd round of this generation could end up being Microsofts.

Sold my ps4 a couple months back for £250 with 3 games on gumtree. EBay is also good! Now for extra £100 its a sweet upgrade for twice the power. Happy days 😄

I was more excited by the Apple presentation and I do not or never have owned a Iphone or apple watch.

...His mics not on.

I'm in, if anything for the upgrade in VR performance. Well excited.

@KingofSaiyanZ Yes, the PS4 Pro will continue to use the same 2.5" HDD as did the PS3. The Pro will come with a 1TB HDD so keeping your 2TB HDD would be a good thing.

@nico07 it does not support 4k bluray discs

@dryrain, MS might be able to turn it around in north america in the 2nd round, but the rest of the world (bar UK) is a bit of a lost cause for them..

@adf86 Sony exec - "We have some 4K HDR TVs to sell so let's make all PS4's compatible with them. Then let's use this whole event to sell the consumer on the benefits of HDR".

At the moment can not see a good reason to even upgrade to a 4k TV let alone a console thats supports it.

@dryrain I saw one site mention it did, and now several that say it won't. Seems like a HUGE oversight for it to not support 4K UHD Blu ray if that is indeed the truth.

@BLPs
I think the consensus for most of us interested in new tech will now be to turn attention to the Scorpio and NX now. The NX is intriguing because it is still a complete mystery, Scorpio is interesting because MS has promised the most powerful console ever and has put itself in a position where is has to deliver on that statement.

@adf86
I still think the PS4 Pro exists mostly because of PSVR, which I don't think was the greatest idea to begin with. Time will tell of course.

did they say faster loading times? I don't remember that form the conference

meh!
Not worth the double dip.

@flummerfelt They mentioned that for the 1080p the developers can choose to add more frames per second or more effects (lighting, atmospheric effects, weather, etc). I'm assuming they could also add more or better anti-aliasing, but this wasn't directly mentioned.

@DualWielding Yeah this conference was mostly about HDR, no mention even of the new controller. And then directly stating outside of the event that there would be no UHD bluray support? Hopefully that last bit was just a misquote in regard to the original PS4 and or the Slim.

Pro is a strange name. Whenever I talk with friends and use the world "pro" we refer to the (highly successful here) Pro Evolution Soccer.

I actually really like the name- PS4 Pro.

Also I don't understand why current PS4 gamers that didn't want a mid-gen upgrade are complaining. This changes nothing for you and are not being forced into buying this to enjoy the latest games. Gamers with regular TVs get the slim, those with 4K get Pro. I'm not getting the Pro as I don't have a 4K TV, but Sony needed to make that transition to put the PS5 in a better position.
I think what Sony learned from the PS3 is that price point to the casual gamer is more important than specs.

Sony should be praised for keeping the PlayStation ecosystem this stable despite the new hardware. If you own a base PS4, a 1080p TV and are happy with your PS4 there's NO reason to upgrade. It's all about choice people.

Meh console! Makes little sense not having a trading option or something...I won't spend my money on another FULL PRICED PS4 with little upgrades and still needing a new Tv lol! Plus if you want to keep up, better buy that PSVR bro!
Also, no 4k player in the console and from what I understand only some games will feature 4k...LOL no thanks I don't want to waste my money when I can buy some games and a new pc with that money ahah

Na... Not for me Thanks, what's the point in buying practically another ps4 and I definitely won't be buying a 4k TV anytime soon so what's the point??
If you've yet to Jump on the ps4 bandwagon then this would be ideal but for existing ps4 owners why bother???......

i think scorpio won't offer an awful lot more than ps4 pro, other than perhaps, "a bit prettier on 4K". the focus in this generation of "more powahhhh" is kind of missing the point, and not really a 'war' that either side can win. games are not about the GPU.. and games which are heavily CPU bound will not suddenly go from 30fps to 60fps regardless of how much GPU power thrown at them.. esepcially on AMD's crappy CPUs. for me, i don't see the reason for pro or scorpio.. 2018 would be soon enough for new consoles when AMD next gen APUs are available and can offer more than mid-generation chest beating. games are now taking so long in development, some have missed the entire 1st round of this generation. some studios haven't made one game on PS4/XB1 yet, let alone get to grips on the hardware by game 2 or 3, and get more from the resources they have. look at the difference between uncharted 1 and the last of us on PS3.. very few games this gen yet are making the best use of general purpose GPU compute at the minute.. and the PS4 APU was designed with that technique in mind which is why it has 64 compute queues. but what the hell, just throw a couple of extra teraflops or a few hundred more megahertz at it.,

Someone at the design team had an eureka moment while eating a Big Mac I suppose...

@Gamer83 NX is a "New way to play" and the Scorpio has listed specs above PS4 Pro. Especially as the two competitors are releasing what are basically full new 9th generation hardware, as well as it being a good 4-5 years since the current models landed.

Love the PS4, but I don't have any need for the Pro. I won't be getting this any time soon.

Not a huge fan of breaking the current generation trend so no I won't be getting it.

Undecided if I should be:
a) happy since games will finally run like they were supposed to (although 3 years late) or
b) sad because i have to fork another €400 for final version of PS4 and €1000 for a decent 4K TV

Why is it a victory for Microsoft? Aren't they doing a 2nd Xbox one? Basically doing same thing

@Fight_Teza_Fight
Exactly, the amount of moaning going on about the new console and the determination of some not to upgrade to 4K is laughable. You have the choice people, play with an old scary lead on a CRT for all I care, just stop moaning about new tech. Also, what gives about 4k Blu-ray? Just stream 4k movies.
Anyway, for me it's time to upgrade..... can't wait to play the likes of Horizon Zero Dawn.

The new xbox processing power is only slightly better than xbox one and 4k is for movies games only get up scaled. Ps4 pro are saying nearly double process power

They have my moneyz. Just wish they had also mad a PSVR pro with a high definition display as well.

This is great for non-PS4 owners, but if I spend $400 on a console it's gonna be one that I don't own already, one that actually offers new games I can't play. PSVR has new games, it'll get my money, NX has new games, it'll get my money. This offers me nothing I can't already play, and the upgrades seem marginal at best.

Pre ordered Amazon yes can't wait wish it was out
b4 psvr though

Since I still don't have a PS4, I was considering the "Neo" as a jump on point, if anything for the increased drive space. But judging from everyone's comments (Including those who supported the Neo), it doesn't really seem like anything special. I doubt I'll get a 4k TV anytime soon, and superior performance and all that jazz doesn't mean much to me. Normally, I'd go "more power to those who want it", but it doesn't seem it'll do much for them either.

@blah01 To be fair the people who are unhappy with this move are unhappy because it is an unusual move in the middle of a console generation. I've said it before, but a selling point of consoles is that once you buy one you are in a level playing field with everyone else and set for the next 6ish years. You don't have concerns that you lose online because your opponent has an FPS advantage or a clearer image to spot you, you know every game will run the same for everyone so don't risk an inferior experience and/or a game that isn't all that well optimised for older hardware.

I get my new tech from PC, without the above reasons for a console I feel I'm better off investing £350 in that rather than on keeping up with a console. If you're happy with upgrading, that is fine, but realise there are reasons you may not have considered why others feel this move is a middle finger to them. More regular console cycles will effectively end my involvement in them and I fully expect a new console release every 3 years from now on until streaming becomes viable.

As for streaming 4K, you have to understand that people still have capped internet. I don't, but I hear a lot of people on forums complaining about huge day one patches because of this - not including a 4K player means they may look to another brand if that is important to them.

I just read that new tomb raider will have graphics option, you can choose 4k/30 fps or 1080p/60 fps on ps pro, so yes I think I will sold my old ps4 and buy ps pro

1TB isn't enough, unless Sony wants to pull their collective heads out of their butts and allow external HDD support. It should have a 2TB drive. Game sizes are only going to get bigger now that 4K is supported. I guess we'll never see game footage running on a original PS4 ever again.

@Dichotomy
I can see the points you raise being pertinent for people. But this sort of short cycle, with a mid generation upgrade could mean that all games will play on the current generation hardware (original & pro) and on the next generation hardware. This would be a great bonus to players.

Clever name...

@blah01 I'm almost certain that in three years time you will get a new console release, under whatever name, and the vanilla PS4 will no longer be supported, the Pro will be relegated to the Vanilla spot and the new console will be the one people will be having this same argument over (with the added line of us having seen a generation pass so its ok to retire the PS4). Given the move to x86 architecture there is little problem in making all future consoles backwards compatible, so this is how I see things going. It might even sound like a good move to some, but it effectively places consoles in direct competition with PC and for me PC will win that battle every time.

We will see how things pan out though, but I'm not the only person I know watching these developments closely and at least one other person I know doesn't even have a gaming PC and is annoyed by this change. From reading a lot of message boards it still seems a lot of people think that there is no reason to upgrade to the Pro unless you have 4k, I'll be interested to see if there is more grumbling once people realise the Pro is much better at 1080p and the 4k thing isn't really supported too strongly (gaming wise) on the console.