Games have been flopping pretty freakin' hard this holiday, lending many to question just what's gone wrong. And now, speaking with MCV magazine, UK game retailers have weighed in on the spate of disastrous launches that we've seen over the past few weeks, describing Black Friday as the "worst thing to happen" to shops. Maybe you shouldn't have pushed it so hard, eh?
According to a retail source, it's the adopted American holiday that's to blame for the poor sales of Titanfall 2, Dishonored 2, and many more. The belief is that more and more consumers are pausing for discounts rather than purchasing games day one, and with the likes of Watch Dogs 2 being cut just days after release, it's not exactly hard to see why.
Of course, the worry is that Black Friday's deep discounting won't make up the deficit that's been lost over the past few months. "The market cannot turn around now," a retail source said. "Pre-orders and the first couple of weeks sales are enormously important to both publishers and retailers but there has been some appalling results this year due to Black Friday."
Sony has, for some years now, been pulling its major first-party releases out of the holiday period and into quieter portions of the year. It's a strategy that's drawn ire, but retail believes that other publishers may now follow suit: "It's hard to see why publishers would release games in November going forward. Black Friday is the worst thing to happen to UK retail."
[source mcvuk.com]
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For me it's never been about waiting for sales. If I want a game badly enough, I'll buy it, I won't wait for the next sale, otherwise I'd never buy the game. My personal reason (and a lot of others I believe) comes down to 2 main factors:
1) This time of year is flooded with releases. Most of us have to pick and choose which titles we want to buy, we just can't afford to buy ALL of them, maybe 1 or 2 a month at a push!
2) We're getting fed up with the same games coming out over and over! The FIFAs, CoDs, PESs etc. MCV's article touched on it, we need something fresh!
I assume that GAME is one of the companies complaining here, considering they're not doing so well. It's funny because I used to work there and we would be putting new games on sale just 2-4 weeks after its launch. I still remember putting Forza 3 on sales for just £20 after 3 weeks on sale. That's no different to any of these Black Friday deals we're seeing. They started this a long time ago. If it's purely down to people waiting for the prices to drop, then I'm surprised it's taken people this long to cotton on.
Only to mediocre games! Since Pokemon pre orders are on the roof.
Look at the games TItanfall 2 (ok campaign, generic fps multiplayer) COD (worst than titanfall in every way), Watch Dogs 2 (ridiculous setting and characters and sequel of a mediocre game). So the problem are the games not the Black Friday.
Look at early 2017, For Honor, P5, Mass Effect, Zelda, Tales of something, Berserk Warriors and a lot more. Some aren't the biggest blockbusters out there but come on next year looks so much better than 2016.
Analysts are looking to blame to anything! I read that some analyst was blaming Titanfall 2's poor sales on the fact its gone multi-platform and that PS4 gamers must be so stupid and not know the game is available on their platform!!
Publishers and retailers only have themselves to blame. Why release so many games during a time when most (if not all) will be marked down by more than 25% in a week or two. Gamers arent made of money and the regular console purchasers are content with their media players that also happen to play games every now and again.
Well, when you live in Canada and a freaking new game cost 89,99$ it's just NORMAL to wait for discount, it's a f**** ripoff !
All down to poor marketing, releasing games no one wants
Maybe people are just bloody fed up of paying upwards of £50 for games that either dont work properly on day one and having additional paid for content on top - only so much you can push on people before they push back.
As an aside, I agree that Black Friday is the worst thing to happen to retail in this country, a pointless excuse for absolute greed that has no ties to any kind of celebration we have in the UK. Thanks for that Amazon.
I'm not fussed about the pricing, so I'm not waiting for sales. I just bought Watch Dogs 2, which is great... I'll probably get The Last Guardian, too; maybe I might pick up Dishonored at some point.
But I'm just not interested in a number of the supposed 'blockbuster' games. I'd have bought the new Battlefield had it not been set in WW1, and I've got no interest at all in Titanfall.
My next games of interest are Ghost Recon Wildlands, Rime, Wild, Detroit, and Horizon Zero Dawn... all due throughout next year at the earliest, as far as I'm aware.
Sequelitis of games that were never really timeless. They're good games, maybe even really good. But nothing you'll still be talking about in five years time. And there's so many games like that. Good games, great games even, but nothing timeless or outstandingly superb. It just all starts to blur together after a while.
And single player gamers are getting tired of paying $60 for 5 hour campaigns.
I bought Titanfall 2, but I got it for $26. And I bought CoD Infinite Warfare, but I got it for $20. And I won't buy Battlefield 1 until I can find a $25 price tag too.
I'm done paying $60 for these kinds of games. Going forward the only games I'm going to buy day one, are the timeless classics. Persona 5, Zelda Breath of the Wild, Horizon Zero Dawn. Those kinds of games. Maybe a few launch games for Switch (just like I bought launch games for PSVR). But all the rest can wait till they're half-price.
They are still selling stuff, at a discount, but it's sales....
So retailers are now blaming the event that they created for poor sales? Surely it's just as much that the games released recently either aren't that great or are nothing that we haven't really seen before. I don't feel that games have really evolved this generation and by and large are simply prettier versions of what has gone before. Also so many games just have this lazy fake open world formula, where you simply spend your time following way points around a map rather than genuine exploration. Dishonoured 2 is a great game that is nearly ruined by the quick save system but it's probably not for everyone. I genuinely believe that some PS4 owners won't buy Titanfall and Tomb Raider because of the Xbox connection, no matter how daft that sounds.
Don't forget last year there was Fallout 4, Metal Gear Solid 5, Destiny's first major update in The Taken King and Black ops 3 (which is now the more popular COD) which I would argue are much bigger franchises than those released this year until Final Fantasy and Pokemon
For me personally, most of the games I wanted have been pushed to next year such as Horizon and South Park, with the former now seemingly a deliberate strategy after Uncharted did the same
The source's appalling use of English aside, the simple fact is that prices are to blame.
If people are not wanting to pay full price or reasonable price for games then sequels will not get made and there will be a lot less variety in the games we are able to get for the console.
I will buy some games over Black friday but the games I really wanted I already got day one. Some people will always wait for games to be discounted others will be new and and day one. That will never change. Its just now there are more discount offers quicker than ever before.
Get rid of black Friday and Halloween they have no place here.
They are not wrong. Today I saved £25 on COD: IW Legacy Edition simply because I waited. That's a game that's been out for 3 weeks.
As for gamers no longer buying games Day 1 anymore that's a direct reaction to today's market. Whitholding review copies, releasing unfinished games littered with bugs and micro transactions & a general lack of creativity is what's lead to this.
I expect Day 1 sales to become less and less important (unless it's a proven franchise/developer) & we will start seeing that long tail ala Rocket League & GTA V. Good games will sell.
Also we don't need more than 3-4 BIG games releasing in the holidays. There isn't even enough time to get to all of them if you tried. I hope this will teach publishers to spread their titles around.
EA expects me to buy Titanfall2 and Battlefield 1? Ubisoft expects me to buy Watchdogs 2 after WDs 1, boring Farcry 4, Farcry Primal which was DLC sold as full game, Unity broken, Division boring. CoD locked out second game?
Well yes why not wait?!(uk prices) Titanfall 2 £54.99 now £34.99/ watch dogs 2 £54.99 now £39.99/ uncharted 4 £44.99 now £24.99/ Battlefield 1 £54.99 now £36.99/ The elder scrolls V: skyrim special edition £39.99 now £24.99/ list goes on and on, my point is I've waited and saved so much money buying Titanfall 2 and skyrim!
Game online is fine. I bought the xbox elite console on early black friday sale for £199. Then used remaining points towards a blue XB1 controller. But in store is just a ripp off. Used games for £39.99. We have 2 stores here & (carefully worded after getting in trouble last time of my description). One is just a total mess its like some old cheap & nasty game store that have all long gone. I really do think apart from a few flag ship stores that game should cut losses & be a online store. They seem forget putting up prices before black friday/xmas/new year sales wont work. As most of the parents now are from gaming generations.
& game sending out 101 emails that black friday sale starts 8pm uk time
@anguspuss I think the Game stores vary the store near me is decent with good staff and the manager is always friendly and chatty even giving me free promotional items. Prices are too high and I also think they should price match the online Game prices which would help. They are good for trading in for the fact they price match and beat CEX by a £1 for trading in games/consoles etc.
I like having a store in the high street where you can look at games and ask questions. Supermarkets have a few games but they are clueless when you ask them anything. Game does need to adapt but it would be a shame if they stopped because all you would be left with is online retailers like amazon/simply games etc
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These retailers are complaining I am guessing nobody cares. It be a sad day when the high street finally board up the windows because of windows.
I feel a ukulele song coming on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL4gsS1AMIU
George Formby, When I'm Cleaning Windows (1936). This was labelled "smutty" by the BBC.
Yup, put on a sales extravaganza prior to Xmas and you expect people to continue their usually amazing overspending habits?
It really is crazy what British retail has done to itself. We wont accept next year without black Friday and now they are sat in a hole. Woohoo go consumers!
There was a 50inch 4k bush tv in Argos on a flash deal event today for £325. There's no way I would ever pay over £500 knowing that now. Keep killing yourselves retail you know it makes sense!
There is only one reason I haven't bought a new game in 5 months... Nothing of interest to me. Thankfully The Last Guardian is right around the corner.
Some possible reasons for this are withholding review copies, releasing unfinished games, broken online & sequelitis. Also, people like me are waiting for the definite editions to came out as dlc/season passes are to expensive.
Black Friday isn't an American holiday, it's merely the official start of Christmas shopping.
To my knowledge, this nothing new...bad new game sales are mostly to blame on the games themselves.
The best BF deals are on older games like Doom and AC Syndicate anyway...not newer stuff.
If you didn't want WD2 at $59 then you probably still won't want it at $49 on BF.
Nowadays if a game is not essential I won't pay full price for it. BF or not. Backlog helps a lot there.
I can wait on games I want to play but not dying to play. Specially again, when so many AAA devs release broken messes, and Complete Editions a few months after the initial release. Got burned on Mortal Kombat 9 getting its Komplete Edition so I wisely waited for a sale on MK XL.
Who honestly wants to pay full price these days? People are gonna wait for a drop in price if given a chance. Granted, I'm frugal to the nth term, so I'm definitely gonna save money if I can help it.
If anything, maybe publishers should be more wary about when they release games. Part of the reason all these delays are happening are because of bad scheduling, after all. Doesn't help that the holiday lineup is practically the same each year.
I'll pay full price no problem if the game interests me. Just not really ars*ed about BF, COD, TF etc
@Jake3103 That sounds retarded and like financial suïcide but what do I know I don't own a store.
@DerMeister Agreed i think Sony is doing the smart and waits with the releases. Because the really cheap people will make you no money anyway, secondhand sales or they will wait anyway.
with all the big name failures this month poor sales before. Is it being cynical not better to wait to see if game survives before buying anything before the fire sale.
I can't see it being rescued a 2nd or is it 3rd time.
@Bhattiboy Same goes for the massive amount of people who will be out of a job. In the Netherlands a lot of stores close the internet is fantastic but it has it's dark sides to. But i see that the better/specialist gameshops have a better chance.
@Flaming_Kaiser well, it was financial suicide in the end. They went bankrupt in March 2012, and I was made redundant. They were later bought out by another company which is why they're still around today, although they're struggling.
It's all publisher fault, with all the dlc, season pass, micro transaction, goty edition and withholding review, they train the customer to wait and not buying game day one. Yeah maybe in the beginning they can make more money but in the end, gamer can only take so much before pushing back.
Only nintendo and sony exclusive is safe from this anti customer direction, I don't think there will be goty edition or micro transaction for mario & the last guardian lol
I would have said the Internet is the worst thing to happen to shops. Not a single sales day...
@BAMozzy even if PS4 gamers were that stupid and didn't know titanfall 2 was on their platform (though there are probably are some who will never buy it because of EA's decision to exclude PS4 from the original) , that wouldn't explain why it tanked hard on xbox as well.
black friday isn't good for uk retail in general, nevermind gaming retail, but this isn't an economics forum, so...
even with £15-£20 off the likes of WD2, BF1, dishonoured 2, etc. i still wouldn't buy them just because they're cheaper. i wasn't that interested in them to begin with, and black friday seems like an enticement to spend money on something i didn't really desire in the first place. and the main reason there are considerable discounts at present is because retailers have overestimated demand and bulk-ordered way too many copies. the effect is next year that retailers may temper expectations and bulk buy much fewer copies for day one, with the knock on effect being higher prices. £50 might be a lot for a game, but the UK is still among the cheapest places in the world at the minute to buy a game.
@leucocyte Microsoft paid for Titanfall as an exclusive and if some PS4 gamers are that petty to refuse to buy a sequel because of that decision, then it is their loss. I doubt that is the case though. If anything, the lack of experiencing this game by not having access to the first is more likely to be a factor leading PS4 gamers to choose a franchise they are more familiar with like BF1 or CoD. I know Titanfall didn't sell well on XB1 and PC too but the original left a lot of people unhappy - lack of a SP, very limited MP (both in game modes and customisation options) so got boring very quickly. Compared to CoD, the closest in terms of playstyle, TF2 is still very limited but does expand on the original somewhat. Memories of the first coupled with the timing has no doubt pushed this down to 2nd or 3rd choice at best.
As I have said, there has been a lot of new hardware out. XB1s, PS4 Slim & Pro and PSVR too. With the new consoles all adding HDR and two having 4k as well, I am sure many may have upgraded their TV's as well, PSVR costs as much as the most expensive console and requires additional costs - like a camera, move (optional maybe but still almost essential for the experience) and of course games to utilise it - You wouldn't buy a console without having any games to play on it. All the other new hardware though doesn't necessarily mean we needed to buy games to play unless some are new to this generation.
I don't know anyone elses financial position but I would assume that a lot of people who have invested in new hardware may not have the disposable income to buy new games as well - well not every new game they wanted.
Black Friday is nothing new - it does seem to be growing more in the UK but its not like we didn't have Black Friday last year, or the year before. Whilst some may be waiting to see if their game(s) will be discounted, its possible that a lot don't have the disposable income after buying new hardware and with Christmas next month.
Plenty of reasons game sales are down and people have already mentioned them so I won't again. But it isn't the Black Friday shopping season, which has been around forever, that has caused this problem. A lot of suits at these big name publishers should stop finger pointing and look right in the mirror, it's that simple.
Too much DLC feels like more of a factor. Generally disappointing content may be another. I picked up Titanfall 1 kind of late but found it kind of underwhelming so I wasn't at all interested in Titanfall 2. Heck when looking at Battlefield 1 on Origin I ended up not bothering with the BF1/TF2 bundle because I just don't have the interest.
@Flaming_Kaiser This is true over here we have "Game" over the years I have seen independent shops fail I blame Supermarkets for under cutting them.
Independent stores have not got the capital to compete in the long run you cant run a business on heavily discounted second hand games its the elusive new ones punters want these shops close and another one opens.
@leucocyte I repeat your words "even with £15-£20 off the likes of WD2, BF1, dishonoured 2, etc. i still wouldn't buy them just because they're cheaper. i wasn't that interested in them to begin with, and black friday seems like an enticement to spend money on something i didn't really desire in the first place.".
Spot on Sir.
It's the hype culture of the industry these days, many of these big budget games turn out to be disappointments and people have got wise to it. Even if most games this season have turn out to be very good bar IW and Mafia 3.
I was out shopping last night and saw a ton of people buying $249 consoles (both Sony and MS).
I wonder if the Game Industry forgot about that happening on BF too...
Anyway, I bought four games: PS4 Skyrim $25, PS4 Arkham Collection $25, PS4 AC Syndicate $8, WiiU Twilight Princess Remaster w/Amiibo $25.
Black Friday in the UK is dumb and no retailer wants it bar amazon. John Lewis have refused to do it as they recognise it nets them very little.
There are 3 very clear factors at play here:
1) Franchise fatigue.
2) Few people can afford or be able to play more than a couple of games a month.
3) Games drop in price very quickly, even more so with black Friday. Only must have games will attract lots of gamers.
Don't bunch your investments into a time frame that ensures there will be losers.
People are sick of the same games over and over again with broken day 1 with all that crappy overpriced DLC WE ARE NOT RICH YOU KNOW...
Can't wait for the Switch !
Another factor to consider is that gamers are more and more disappointed with day 1 releases, or just some of the games in general, and now are more careful and wait for the reception of the game before buying. And I honestly think that is way better for the industry
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