The Internet has an unfortunate habit of taking a joke too far, and that's exactly what's happened with Mass Effect: Andromeda's goofy animations. The title's weird expressions – which have tired faster than a certain crew member's face – have been ridiculed for several days now, but the backlash has tipped over into something a little darker over the past 24 hours.
Allie Rose-Marie Leost, who worked for EA's motion capture department in Vancouver, has been the subject of a tidal wave of threatening messages from aggrieved fans, many not-so-subtlety blaming her for the state of the sequel's awkward faces. Such was the scale of the attack at its peak that it prompted BioWare to post the following response:
The crux of the story is that an Internet witch hunt targeted Leost after it was assumed she was the lead animator on the game following the discovery of some posts on her social media accounts. Of course, as is the case so often with these stories, the information turned out to be false – but not before a throng of so-called "fans" embarrassed themselves by sending accusatory messages.
We're not sure what it is about BioWare games that brings out the worst in people, but we can't wait for the review embargo to lift tomorrow so that we can talk about more than those stupid faces. And even if the game does end up sucking, do we really need to attack individuals who may or may not have been involved with its production? Games like Mass Effect: Andromeda are made by hundreds upon hundreds of people these days. You can't blame one person if something goes wrong – and even if you could, it's still no excuse to be mean.
Grow up.
[source kotaku.com, via polygon.com]
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Do we also really need to take shots at other systems, games, genres, whatever?
The internet as a whole needs to grow up, and just because of crap like this.
Are the animations quite frankly and objectively naf? Yeah. That stuff isn't hot. Seems like the rigging is all over the place to make walk cycles look that way, which is either a sign of poor work on the rigger's part, or they had no choice because the topology which they affix the skeleton too was wonky, who knows. But it was the teams fault, not one singular person, and they collectively agreed yes this is fine.
Grow up internet.
I wish more people would just let their money talk.
I've only ever finished the original ME, started 2 but never got round to finishing it and then I didn't play 3 either..however..I've just watched that 40min gameplay video you guys posted about and it's piqued my interest a little. May just pick it up. The facial animations don't bother me in the slightest. Horizon's aren't great but it by no means ruins the game.
@NathanUC Exactly! Just don't buy it if you think it looks crap. It's not hard.
Why do some people take things so seriously and have to get aggressive?Grow up.
Everyone is tough behind a keyboard.
am i the only person who isn't bothered by it, i have played plenty of games that had bad animations but still enjoyed it
people are far to picky now a days, they have it SO good with modern games and still complain about every little thing that isn't perfect
One of the worst things to ever happen to gaming has been the internet. Far too many Internet 'warriors' hiding behind fake names claiming to speak for the masses. Its sad and pathetic. When did the world get like this. There is far too much anger and hatred out there. Ultimately this is a game. Who cares if the facial animations are poor. In the grand scheme of things, why on earth does it matter. Sad
Glad places like this exist to call out the trolls and to nurture a positive and polite community.
Polygon will have a field day with this story, another opportunity to push their own brand of politics. Yes harassing people is wrong but at the same time people have the right to criticise someone's work if they feel it's not up to standard. I have no doubt that some people would have said nasty things but I bet the majority were more critical of the work then the person.
Also websites posting news stories while openly mocking said animations in GIFs was just fanning flames , it comes across as hypocritical when now they say "oh how dare they attack a developer, meanwhile look at this hilarious ME:A GIF" they are asking for trouble. Some are always going to be dicks but you only silence them when you don't give them the attention they crave.
When EA caved to critical fans regarding ME 3's ending, it opened up the door to fans thinking if they complain enough they can get things changed. That's part of the issue here too.
She should of just ignored the message's instead of making a big deal about it. Who care's? People get trolled and bullied on the internet every day, it's never going to stop and there's not much we can do about it, human's will be human's and history tell's us the majority of human's are w*****s. Get a bit off thicker skin love and ignore these peasant's, just sad little people with nowt better to complain about.
Ugh, attacking individuals who make the game is just stupid, focus on the game, not on the individual who make it. Some people just can't grow up it seems.
@FullbringIchigo - It's really overblown and the internet loves to dog pile on when they see a opportunity.
@adf86 If critical of the work, why target an individual, especially an individual wrongly linked with the issue?
The game is a product and as another poster has already stated, not buying a shoddy product is surely the best way to voice our opinion?
I also think it's a tad assumptive to blame this solely on the youth. I am sure there are plenty of more mature gamers that fire off these vile rants from the safety and anonymity of their sofa's. (That last bit is just a general observation, not directed at anyone in particular.)
As little as this article will help, calling the entitlement ulcer of "fan love" out on cyberbullying is always a thing to credit - at the very least, for attesting to a beacon of human sanity in the toxic sea of fanship and online disinhibition syndrome. And voicing support for the victims who, no matter how advisable it can be when you work with anything implying an audience, aren't always armored enough. We're all humans. This can lead to grim consequences - physical ones being the worst but far from the only as cyberbullying can damage one's self-confidence, initiative, inspiration and desire to keep working on a project or even in the field... who would ever answer for the potential damage even to future works, contributions and careers snowballing out of such a figurative squished butterfly? And how much could such "answers" even repair?
I really hope Leost is alright in spite of everything she's been subjected to.
You can't help on what the internet has say there is always critics about anything and everything. But if the game is appealing to you and are a big fan ME buy the game if not there go play what appeals to you.
@stevejcrow I agree people should vote with their wallets but at the same time Mass Effect is a series that hugely loved and if they feel the game isn't up to same standard as the previous one then people will quite rightly complain. The problem is the only ones reachable to express their criticism is the developers who already know if the game isn't good, it's the money men at EA that's at fault, there the ones who put a new studio on such a highly acclaimed franchise and made them change engines to frostbite 3 because everything has to be on frostbite apparently. Sadly their always the ones that get off scott free because this industry doesn't have any actual journalists who will hold them to account for when they mess up.
Typical of the Internet age with people thinking they can abuse others for no real reason, no matter who worked on the game it's nine of our business what their quality of work is, only their employers. If you don't like the game then don't buy it but d9nt abuse those who are trying to make a living and if you can do better then go and do it.
This is creeping up everywhere with the recent Horizon vs Zelda nonsense, with the Jimquisition site being attacked because he dared to give an honest review of Zelda and point out flaws which Nintendo always seem to get a free pass on. This only got worse when they gave Horizon a higher score and the website was down for a couple of days. Just look on meta critical and see the idiots giving each game a zero and the other a ten out of some strange tribal loyalty. Sadly this is a behaviour which is common on the like of Ign and increasingly so on your sister site Nintendolife.
Me personally I just like playing great games whether it be on my PS4, PSVR or newly acquired Switch and if Microsoft ever make another game and it turns out to be good, well then great for the owners of that console
And now the fun is over. Thanks a lot, internet.
Just keep giving people a reason to think gamers are bad.
Can't agree more. Gaming is about having fun. If you're attacking people over it then you've missed the point. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I've never played a Mass Effect game, but I'm sure this game will be decent (at the very least) with lots of playing time for people to enjoy it.
Some people are just morons, morons with Twitter accounts.
Aw, that's so sweet.
PushSquare (as well as practically every other damn video game website) practically released about ten articles concerning Mass Effect's 'horrible animations' and how terrible they were, and NOW they say the facial animation thing has blown out of proportion because of moronic tweets.
Also, pretty sure that no one would bat an eye if the animator who took the (again, moronic) tweets was male.
And let's not forget, it's okay for the ENTIRE GAMING COMMUNITY to call the animator's work crap over comment sections and journalists doing the same in their articles (because there's no way the animators are going to check gaming websites, take a look at some feedback and feel like crap) but when they get personal tweets, THAT's where the rudeness begins. THAT's where we, the consumers have to be considerate of the other person's feelings.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
Harassment always seems to happen on Twitter.
It's a shame. I know I said the animations made me nervous on this site, but I would never go and get on a company or employee of said company's case about it.
I agree...get a life
I love this community. ps- deadly premonition is the best !
@Nickolaidas This is exactly my point, far too many websites rely on click-bait AD driven articles at the expense of creative and journalistic integrity. If the industry had REAL journalists then they would have held Ubisoft to account over the Watch Dogs downgrade or Assassin's Creed Unity's launch by demanding face time with the company's higher ups to explain themselves or failing that, develop a backbone and say "we refuse to give any pre release coverage to company X until they can deliver products that don't mislead and/or are a suitable working order for our readers". Of course they won't because their afraid of been blacklisted from preview events or giving review codes, which tells you all you need to know about how in the pocket of publishers a lot of sites are, even if no actually money exchange is done.
Thanks for your opinions -Tasuki-
@get2sammyb summed it up at the end in two words, "Grow Up".
These animations are not that big a deal are they? I mean really?
You dont like an aspect of a game, then dont buy, cancel your pre order if you have it, or use it for something else.
Very few, if anyone, has paid anything yet, so its not like anyone has lost anything and nobody has a gun to anyones head.
@Nickolaidas Bit of a difference between criticising something and actually threatening people over it though, isn't there?
@ShogunRok There are quite a few words that come to mind when I read the comments on the animations from gamers and journalists alike. As well as the tweets.
Criticism isn't one of them.
I do not condone any of this. Not the gamers' entitlement, whining and insulting behavior (then backpedalling the minute they realize they might be labelled as misogynists), nor the journalists making a mountain out of a molehill and then saying 'grow up'.
Practice what you preach, folks.
@Nickolaidas I'm sorry but you're talking absolute bull and you damn well know it.
I appreciate you've got a hard-on thinking you've caught us guilty of some dastardly double standard here but there's a world of difference between drawing attention to what we perceive to be a negative aspect of a game (our job as critics by the way) and messaging someone telling them to "take my d*** for ruining Mass Effect".
at the end of the day its only a game play it or dont like all new releases it will be half price in no time
Commenting on a developing story within the gaming community is what a site like Push square should be doing. The animations are not great on a major AAA release. Their comment is whether it indicates a problem with the overall game. It has become big news on all sites.
Expressing concerns and having a laugh at some gifs is completely different from going on a witch hunt and threatening people. It is not Hypocrisy to report a story and then condemn personal attacks.
Seriously, it is a game. Just don't buy the games if you don't like an aspect of them. You just know those same people sending death threats are going to be buying it day one anyway.
That type of behaviour is 100% inexcusable, but I can't help but thinking that this is somewhat a concequence of the modern trend of releasing unfinished games and then patching them to death afterwards. It creates a sense of entitlement from players, especially those who have known no different release strategy. All the moaning about the end of FFXV and the incoming 'fix' is the result of the success of the campaign of the moaning about the end of the last Mass Effect game. Gamers should respect artistic visions, and development companies shouldn't release the games until they're sure that's their final statement.
What I find amazing is, on my text chat in work I've been called all kinds of terrible things as people are so rude and arrogant if it just words on a screen. Literally the craziest insults you could never repeat.
I've then had the same people in the office and they don't say a peep. Everytime embarrassed when I bring them up as I log everything.
I think this is a major problem with the intertubes.
@Splat My thoughts exactly.
@get2sammyb "You've got a hard on" Really?! That's the turn of phrase you want to use on here, despite my fellow readers (quite rightly) getting warned about the language we use. Yes it may not be swearing but "hard on" isn't exactly a family friendly phrase either. Especially when it's directed at one of your readers.
@themcnoisy Agreed with that..won't go into detail but yeah, occasionally when I get a particularly crappy email from a client I'll take a hard copy with me to the meeting and spend a moment reading through it in front of them for my own amusement
@adf86 The guy sounds almost gleeful thinking he's got us backed into a corner. I'd say it's the perfect phrase to describe the scenario.
It's not the dodgy animations that have put me off the game, it's the terrible written dialogue. It wouldn't make me tweet obscene hate towards the writers, though. I know the writers are a bit crap, I played ME3.
@get2sammyb
Your 'drawing attention' is the reason people got riled up so much in the first place. Now don't get me wrong, I think it's stupid to get riled up over facial animations on a video game, but you gaming journalists did everything you could to bloat this whole thing.
And yeah, writing five articles in a row about Andromeda's facial animations (as if it's something of vital importance and extreme significance to the game) and then telling people who take it seriously to grow up is hypocritical. I was addressing the entire gaming community and gaming journalists with my posts, but if you want to feel it was personal I am more than happy not to give a damn.
@get2sammyb It doesn't matter Sammy, you need to react better then that, especially when your the chief editor. I'm not saying you shouldn't stand your ground of course but I don't want you to say anything that might cause more trouble.
@adf86 Yeah, I mean ... he could just ban me again.
Eh, Sammy? EH!?
I'd say it'd be better to ignore these people instead of giving them attention, that's exactly what they want. Everybody on the internet gets death threats over everything, it's not new and unfortunately not surprising.
I really wish kotaku would disappear. They champion everything that's wrong with journalism today, and i cringe every time I see their name in or at the bottom of an article.
@Nickolaidas I'm sorry but I still don't see your point. We've called the animations crap and they are - I've been playing the game for the past three days almost nonstop. That's a lot different to harassing people via social media.
"Fans"...
Yeah, sure.
@get2sammyb your use of language, asterisks or no, is a perfect example of a double standard.
That is to say, hypocrisy.
I didn't quote you so you can edit.
Something the coverage of this game has done that's positive: it's made me want to play Oblivion.
Yeah, it's broken and ugly, but there's at least freedom, and you don't have to try to mess around with party AI.
No, I won't be able to take it seriously.
I'm just not in the mood for Daggerfall right now.
More boring internet news, trolls and a holes etc etc. Its all just meaningless nonsense. I think the animations are hilarious and I actually quite like them lol
@Nickolaidas "Also, pretty sure that no one would bat an eye if the animator who took the (again, moronic) tweets was male."
So you attacking Sammy and the team is a way to even the odds? That section of your comment is actually pretty horrendous. Are you condoning using aggresive sexually explicit comments over social media? Do you not agree that as a minority in the industry women should feel as included as men? Do you dislike women?
The poor animations have been overblown, but the previous ME articles on Pushsquare do point that out. I'm a big fan of Mass Effect, but the articles have been fun.
Do not confuse Sammy and the team having a laugh on a slow news day to a warped individual personally attacking an individual. That's idiotic.
Keep up the great work Pushsquare!
The animations are pretty rough, and there's nothing wrong with telling a developer to do a better job, but falsely accusing someone of being lead animator as an excuse to harass them is ****.
Where is Skankhunt42 when you need him lol
You know who i blame? Ubisoft.
@Nickolaidas Believe it or not Sammy can call out a witch hunt and crappy animations at the same time. I don't think he's afraid of angry partisans falsely accusing him of being misogynist or a sellout. Is it that hard to fathom?
@Nickolaidas The subtext of your comment is that you'd rather we didn't criticise games because we're directly responsible for "riling" up fans.
Apparently by doing our job we're to blame for the disgusting messages people have been tweeting.
Please link me to the five articles we've written about the animations. I count four at an absolute stretch, each including new information relevant to those planning to purchase the game.
@TheGZeus The text in speech marks is a quote. I felt it was important to illustrate how below-the-belt some of these messages are considering we're being painted as the guilty party by a couple of posters here. We're not.
@get2sammyb A: once it's quoted, they can't fix their error.
B: "hard-on" is far more explicit than any word for buttocks, which I was rightly reprimanded for using.
You really need to get specific about what language you consider inappropriate, because the line is really unclear, and different words are considered worse in different English-speaking countries.
I think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion, Mass Effect or even Dragon Age never really had good facial animations, tbh I don't think much RPG games do.
Something as little as facial animations would never make me want to not play a a game, and when it comes to Andromeda I've heard gameplay wise it's basically a mixture of the first 3 games so I'm really looking forward to it.
To me, it feels like there's been a witch hunt out for this game since the start. Like the majority of the articles/videos I've seen has been aboit the animations and not about the rest of the game. It's like people want this game to fail before they've even played it themselves.
@Nickolaidas So, out of curiosity, do you think that if no gaming sites had reported on this, that the community wouldn't have the same opinions?
I don't see how you can believe that articles on the Internet are directly responsible for people's actions in cases like this. No one is forcing people to click on that tenth article involving the same exact thing. If someone were to get arrested for death threat tweets, and they said "I wasn't going to tweet it, but that fourth PushSquare article pushed me over the edge!" do you think Sammy and Co should be held partially responsible and charged accordingly? If you do, man, seriously, go get some air.
@themcnoisy Oh my God.
Is that what you got out of my posts? That I dislike women? My post was about the hypocrisy of the gaming community. The reason the tweeters that verbally assaulted the animator got so much flak from the community is mostly because the animator was female - not because of what they said. That Doesn't mean that I condone with what they said. I'm just saying that it is hypocritical to see someone talking trash to a male developer and give him a free pass, but crucify someone doing the same thing to a female developer. BOTH attitudes are wrong and BOTH attitudes should be called out on, not just the one towards the women in order to feed our white knight syndrome.
@RedMageLanakyn Same opinion? Probably yes. Same outburst? Hell no.
The way I see it, the blame is twofold, if not threefold. The animators are to blame for making half-baked animations. The journalists are to blame for seeing said animations and talking non-stop about them for the past few days, making it seem as a much larger problem than it actually is. The gamers are to blame for not adopting the 'it's just a game, chill' mentality.
No one is forcing anyone to do anything, mate. No one is forcing to click, no one is forcing to buy, no one is forcing to like. But preaching none-stop about how crappy something is, and then telling people to knock it off is hypocrisy.
@get2sammyb "The subtext of your comment is that you'd rather we didn't criticise games because we're directly responsible for "riling" up fans.
Apparently by doing our job we're to blame for the disgusting messages people have been tweeting."
Apparently you can't take the memo, so I'll be a bit more blunt.
Criticize whatever the heck you like. But if you want to call yourself a journalist, be objective. Show three gifs that portray the silliness of the animations, but ALSO show three gifs that show good quality as well. Otherwise you give the illusion that the game is all bad animation wise and you purposefully create a negative image the game may not deserve in order to rile up fans and get some clicks.
Is that too hard of a concept?
@Nickolaidas Same outburst, absolutely. Those people sending death threats were going to send them anyways, even if the media had focused on something positive about the game. That's just how they function. If the headlines over the weekend had been "Andromeda has excellent animations" that same group would've tweeted "I liked the animations in the original trilogy, i hope whoever made this dies in a fire".
I don't see what Sammy said in the article as hypocrisy. The message I got was "have fun, poke fun, don't threaten to kill people over a game". If he had said "you should feel horrible if you contributed to making fun of this game, look what happened, it's your fault", that's hypocrisy.
Overall I just think all of us, gamers, companies, and journalists alike, should ignore people who send threats on social media. Contact the authorities, do what needs to be done there, but don't give them the attention they're asking for.
I'd say this article shouldn't have been written for that exact purpose, but it started with kotaku and polygon, and they have much larger audiences (God knows why) so it needs to end with them. I'd suggest throwing some of that passion you have their way if you truly want to make a difference.
The person being referred to does happen to be LEAD animator for a company working for Bioware and EA to do the facial animation. She deserves criticism, but so does the racist Manveer over at Bioware and the executives who hired them and released a game which has a lot of major problems (voice acting, animation, UI etc.) after 5 years of production.
Mass Effect is a lot like Star Wars and when we were disappointed with Jar Jar we expressed our displeasure at George Lucas and the actor who played Jar Jar...there's nothing wrong with speaking out as long as it's in the right context and actually has a point.
Andromeda is going to suck, EA is going to close Bioware, and I'm going to laugh. Bioware is a joke these days and I'd bet all my savings they're going to be shuttered sooner than people think.
@adf86 "it's the money men at EA that's at fault, there the ones who put a new studio on such a highly acclaimed franchise and made them change engines to frostbite 3"
Great, blame faceless people when 9 times out of 10 its the developer and its management of the team that's at fault. I vote with my wallet and its disgusting if people contact any of the devs (woman or not)directly on their social media but whenever a game is below expectation the "money men" arent all to blame. The game has been delayed and in development for quite some time. For it to release the way it appears to be is poor.
Wait, what?! is Bioware a new studio now? What the hell are you doing man?!
There is really no need to attack people just don't buy the game, but what needs to be addressed it the quality of the games themselves. Game's should be put out in working order from day one, and not need patches upon patches to work. And that goes for any game from Skyrim to The Witcher3, especially when your spending £50 per game.
To me this is just another Mass Effect release remember the uproar when Mass effect 3 was released...it blasted on for months and went venomous. I've played ME2 and ME3 and quite enjoyed them (inspite of the fallout) and wondered why such fuss. Most RPG's never really have top notch animations in cut scenes (Uncharted 4 and tomb raider being a few of the exceptions) I haven't bought Mass effect Andromeda at the moment as I'm playing HZD and I have Ghost Recon Wildlands installed ready to go but this has not put me off buying MEA, I look forward to playing it in the future. For some mysterious reason the mass effect massive seem to like biting the hand that feeds them i.e. EA and Bioware....it's just a game guys, it's meant to be fun
There's a difference between being critical of certain aspects of the game and singling people out and personally attacking them. Long story short it's just the Internet being the Internet. Vocal minority embarrasses the rest of us.
@HarrisonMode she didn't even work on it.
@b1ackjack_ps I'm glad to see someone else talking about the actual gameplay.
No one talks about that, especially fans, because it's awful.
I don't get it. I hated talking to people in HZD, but I could just tap X, and get back to the good part.
I couldn't skip the combat in BioWare games, so I deleted it.
I hate when things turn out like this, people should just speak with their wallets .
@solocapers Yeah, Bioware Montreal are making their first Mass Effect so their "new" to it. Yes I do blame the money men because their the ones who decides who does which projects. Their the ones who thought it was a good idea to switch engines in mid development giving Bioware Montreal probably only two years to turn it around so it's no wonder the game lacks polish in presentation and mission structure because the goal they would have been set was to get the game out before the end of EA's financial year just to keep it's shareholders happy. Developers are not always blameless but they can only work with what they are giving.
@joeblogs I never said there wasn't a difference, I was saying that the genuine haters will be a very small minority but that doesn't mean people should not say whether if someone's work isn't good. But as usual sites like Polygon will report it knowing it will add more fuel to the fire which they will be happy with because more clicks means more money. And as a result the actual constructive criticism gets drowned out and dismissed as just "being a bunch of haters".
@Rudy_Manchego That may be true but these where horrible. But that is only a part of the game for me its enough not to purchase the game (backlog problems to). With so many great games coming some can wait if they dissapoint a little. For me its taking away a part of the experience. But still not a reason to bully/threaten people.
@adf86 Shareholders are a plague to gaming thats for sure. But EA was saying if the game isnt ready we will push back the release.
Let your money do your talking as it is your loudest voice and the most effective way to get anyones attention.
I thought that tweet was about how Manveer Heir is always talking about how much he hates white people, didn't even know this was going on.
@kyleforrester87 I love re-reading people's emails to them in a professional manner and just being matter of fact and then following it up with, so I understand you are upset over XYZ (XYZ being really pointless and meaningless things to get annoyed about).
@Flaming_Kaiser Yeah, which is why I'd say that Push Square reporting on it is good because, I, as a player know there are some problems with the game.
I hear you on the backlog problems - even if the animations were Pixar quality, I'd still have problems fitting the game in!
@Flaming_Kaiser Sadly I wouldn't take EA or any publisher's word for it.
I personally think the biggest irony in all of this, specifically the comments is, due to expectations of each individual the game is not up to par based on various points.
Yet there are many franchises and series out there that look truly hideous and the core gameplay is continuously unimproved and lackluster yet gets high praise.
MW3 would be a prime example.
That game looked like it belonged on a PS2, the gameplay was identical to MW2 and yet it was highly praised amongst critics and players alike.
My point in all this, is at what point does it become "unacceptable" for a studio to do certain things?
And why is there disparity between them?
Surely if its unacceptable for one studio, then it should ALWAYS be unacceptable for EVERY studio.
Its literally that black and white.
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