Sony Announces 2TB PS4 Pro Coming to Japan This Month

Give my a UHD drive and I'll bite.

2tb or not 2tb.will the people in Japan buy it.thats the question.word to your mother.word life.word up son

@playstation1995
My guess is probably not. Traditional home consoles don't move like they used to in Japan.

Already upgraded my pro to 2TB seagate firecuda

My 500GB launch machine suits me fine. Just delete old games. Can always reload if I wish to replay..which I almost never do.

2tb is still not enough. I would think a pro version with 4tb would be ideal addition.

Yeah, I think this is a foretelling of that the next generation system will come with. Also, no equivalent PS4 Slim? Methinks the Slim will be phased out eventually...

To be honest I upgraded the hdd to 2tb the day I bought the Pro since I was lucky and had one lying around. Too bad 4tb don't fit in the console, 2tb is still little sometimes.

@Eternallover21 Gosh. Yea, I had the Red Dead clearout last night. Brutal, but I convinced myself that I probably wont replay Nioh and Deus Ex anytime soon.

Edit: Thinking what you said over a little more, 300GB for two games is a bit of a game changer.

I upgraded mine to 2TB when I bought it. Plus are you really playing all those games all the time?

@Shepherd_Tallon i would hope the PS5 comes with a big HDD although if they have external support from day one then a 500gb HDD would be fine too

@Shepherd_Tallon "Hopefully it means PS5 will come with at least 2TB from the start."

That was my initial takeaway. I'm fine with my Slim, and if PS5 has any type of backwards compatibility at all who needs a Pro? But PS5 w/ 2TB in the base model makes sense. PS5 probably won't have all that much power than the Pro, gonna need every little incentive it can get. A triple layer 4k disc drive being another, or RDR3 will need to come on 4 discs.

Weird to do this in Japan. Up until a few weeks ago the Pro was selling half of the Slim, and for the past few weeks it's been selling about even. Was anybody in Japan asking for this? They'd probably rather have 2GB in the Vita which still sells ok there week in and week out. This will come to the west, maybe Sony is just waiting for the Black November (I got an email this morning with the subject line "Black November is Here!") sales to end.

I wonder what the UK price would be? I've got a standard pro and a 4TB external. This was pretty cost effective and 5TB total will see me through the generation.

I REALLY want a pro but i cant justify it with a ps5 possibly around the corner. Just pray my day 1 oldie last this next year or so

@Neolit "PS5 will need to be significantly more powerful than XB1X"

Why? X1X is significantly more powerful than Pro, but I'd guess most mutlplats sell better on PS4. And that Pro outsells X1X or else we'd have heard something in the past 3 years about Xbox sales. PS3 and Xbox360 were both significantly more powerful than the Wii, and HD vs SD, and the Wii outsold them both by about 20 million. Switch is certainly less powerful than X1 or X1X but I bet it surpasses them in sales when it's all said and done. Though I suppose it being a hyrbid is apples and oranges so I won't get into that.

Not saying PS5 can be less powerful than X1X like the Wii, I do think it needs a UHD drive just not to embarrass itself, it can't have 32GB in storage like the Switch unless it's portable, which I'm sure it wont' be, it will basically be a souped up PS4 like PS3, PS2 and PS before it.

Though I suppose I'm a bit too focused on "significantly". As far as I'm concerned the last "significant" power increase between generations was PS to PS2, and all the others that gen, N64 to Gamecube, Saturn to Dreamcast. PS2 to PS3 gen added HD, which was needed for HD tvs, and PS3 to PS4 would hardly be noticeably by most non-gamers for most games. Sure there are some exclusive standouts like Horizon, God of War, Spiderman and Uncharted, but for 80% of retro indie DLC who's going to notice? Have yearly sport and FPS games improved "significantly' between PS3 and PS4 compared to PS and PS2? For me that was the last significant revolution in gaming, it's all been evolution since then.

So sure, PS5 will need better specs than X1X, not denying that, but it can't, and it won't, be significantly better, for several reasons.

1. 4k tvs are out now. PS5 needs native 4k like X1X, but it doesn't need more than that as 8k tvs are far far away. I wont' even consider 4k tvs to be "the norm" until all major tv programs are distributed in 4k. And there are still bandwidth limitations there so there is no need for 8k tvs for a long while yet.
2. UHD - I think PS5 should have an ultra 4k HD drive, b/c X1S has it for $199, but it doesn't need to be significantly better than that, there isn't a 8k drive that I'm aware of.
3. Cost. Pro still goes for $399. If PS5 is out in 12 months, or 16 months, or 24 months, what will the Pro cost then, $299? How much do you expect them to charge for PS5? $700? $800? X1X is still $500 a year later. How can Sony get significantly better specs w/o a significantly higher price? PS4 did outsell X1 on specs, it outsold it by being $100 cheaper, $400 vs $500. So if PS5 is slightly better than X1X, but at a cheaper price, well it's a proven fact people care about price. It's probably the #1 reason Wii outsold PS3 and X360.

So let X2 be more powerful than PS5, X2 will be more expensive and have no games and PS5 will crush it. Unless Sony gets all DRM nutso, that did in the X1 as well. But simply put out a PS5 slightly better than X1, w/ H:ZD2 at launch, GoW2 months later, Spidrman 2 a year later. Specs dont' matter that much, it's all about the games is pretty much an industry mantra. And I'll add the price plays an important part as well.

oooh, sorry that got so long

Gone are the days of keeping loads of games on my PS4 Pro HDD, so mines usually never full. Who has the time to play a dozen games unfinished in a month!!

This will be very tempting. I still have my default hdd.

yea, like with most people commenting on here, i also upgraded my stock 500gb base ps4 with a 2tb drive. it is very easy to do so yourself and save money in the process. it really doesn't matter to me if there is one released from sony itself.

External storage is so cheap, so except for some extreme use cases 2TB really seems like overkill. I have dozens of games installed on my 1TB HDD and still have room left. I hope the PS5 gets an SSD.

@Neolit So, what happens if the PS5 is ready by Christmas 2019? Do they sell it for $700 so it can be significantly more powerful than X1X or do they sell it for $500 and make it slightly more powerful than X1X? I was a long time believer in holiday 2019 until the PS4 games list got me thinking early 2020 may be the way to go, Switch showed it's possible to sell $300 systems in the spring so Sony should be able to do it as well if they have a game to go along with it, like H:ZD2 or GoW2, either should be potentially ready by spring 2020, that's still 18 months from now, 3 years after H:ZD, 2 years after GoW which simply needs part 2, not a complete reboot like the last one.

Heck if it's BC that's every PS4 game upscaled to 4k if the PS5 is basically a PS4 Proier Pro. They could basically discontinue the Pro, sell the Slim for $199 and the PS5 for $499 holiday 2019. I don't think they will, but they could.

I guess in my mind the Xbox line is basically done. Power will only get you so far. Sony has said they are all in on home consoles Nitneod is basically all in on portables whatever they might say. It's almost always been a 2 horse race. There will be another Xbox, MS just bought all those companies to make games for it, but I really think if Sony just focuses on itself it doesn't really have to care about Xbox anymore, PS = home console gaming.

@rjejr Just will launch at same price Pro is retailed at. Pro comes further down in price. I'll however sell my Vanilla Glacier White, pick up a Pro bundle if its cheap enough this month, and worry about PS5 by 2020 😊

@Neolit The Last Of Us 2, Ghost Of Tsushima and Death Stranding are getting polished right now and are going to be launching throughout 2019 hopefully we’ll some release dates for them at The Game Awards In December, people that think that some of them are 2020 games and that PS5 is launching in 2020 just never knew what the plan was and what the release schedules were. “Everyone” will find out Q1 next year at The Playstation Meeting Event that PS5 is launching Holiday 2019. PS4 Pro came out as a Mid Gen Upgrade 3 Years after PS4 half way through PS4’s 6 year Console Cycle, It’s obvious to me that Sony is switching to 3 year hardware refresh cycles as that’s Sony’s best strategy going forward and that gives their user base 2 options they can upgrade every 3 years or every 6 years.

@Neolit "They will discontinue slim and Pro will be to PS5 what is slim now to PRO.
In 2020 you will be able to buy a pro for $250."

That's what I think they'll do as well, I was just using the other as their dominance in the industry giving them options. Though it's possible there will be a third PS4 before that, Pro Slim, next holiday, but with a better name, so Sony can look like they are merging them rather than getting rid of 1 or the other. Power of the Pro, body of the Slim. Like the Wonder Twins.

That way rather than having to drop 1 and decide between a cheap $199 system or an expensive $299 system they can launch it at $249, which would be half the price of a significantly upgraded $500 PS5, or about 2/3 of a slightly upgraded $400 PS5.

Maybe they'll just call it PS4? New PS4? But I think a merger is better optics than a drop. Whichever one they drop people will complain.

@Neolit "with any potential PS5 nonsense in 2019"

But what if PS4 doesn't sell very well this holiday b/c everybody who wants one already has one, and people are waiting on the sidelines for PS5 b/c they think it will launch in 2019? Does Sony risk a really lousy Christmas 2019 selling even less, or get the PS5 out there for early adopters?

"PS4 still has huge sellers coming out"

But are they system sellers? Sure TLoU2 will sell 5 million copies day 1, but only to people who already own a PS4. I can't imagine anybody playing TLoU on PS3, wanting the sequel, but not having a PS4 yet. Ghosts isn't selling any consoles, it's weird Japanese stuff. Dreams isn't selling any. Days Gone isn't selling any, everyone is waiting for TLoU2. God of War, Spiderman, RDR2, those were system sellers. TLoU2 would CERTAINLY be a system seller Day 1 launch title for PS5, but I think the PS4 market is pretty well saturated with people who want that game.

PS3 sold 80m, PS4 has already sold 86mil. I know PS2 sold twice that, 160m, but that was then, this is now, kids all have iPads. PS4 probably tops out around 100m, that's this holiday. By holiday 2019 with or without PS5 no that many people will be left to buy a PS4. And if word gets out at any time during 2019 that PS5 will be backwards compatible in 2020, even less reason to buy a PS4 holiday 2019.

And with all that said I still think it's spring 2020, they'll pick up the few stragglers selling cheap PS4 holiday 2019 then launch PS5 in the spring with a sure Day 1 hit. But if they wait until holiday 2020 to launch the PS5, sure holiday 2019 may sell some PS4, but then there's 10 months of 2020 with no PS4 console sales and no PS4 games before Nov 2020 rolls around.

Unless you think God of War 2 or H:ZD2 is a PS4 exclusive in spring 2020, I don't see how they can wait until holiday 2020 for PS5. Death Stranding is freaky weird, even if that is a PS4 exclusive spring 2020 it ain't doing much.

As you said, 2019 has a nice line-up of games that will sell themselves, if not systems, but what games does 2020 have that will sell themselves or systems while they wait for PS5?

@Neolit PS4 had a successful launch with just having Knack and Killzone: Shadow Fall as Exclusives, Exclusives at launch aren’t as important as people think, but from what I’ve heard is that when PS5 launches Holiday 2019 it’ll have a new Killzone game, Deep Down and a PlayStation all stars cart racing game.

@rjejr Spring 2020 makes no sense it worked for The Switch because it didn’t have Call Of Duty and sports games at launch, Holiday 2019 was always the plan for PS5 everyone will find out Q1 next year at the PlayStation Meeting Event.

@Badboyfx86 "Spring 2020 makes no sense"

PS3 was a planned spring release, they had to delay it until the fall for the blu ray disc drive.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11824259/ns/technology_and_science-games/t/sony-delay-playstation-until-november/#.W9s1qZNKiCg

PS4 launched in Feb in Japan.

https://www.polygon.com/2014/2/21/5433694/ps4-japan-launch

If Xbox 2 isnt' out holiday 2019, and why would it be, X1X just launched, then PS5 doesn't have to be, all those 3rd party games will run just fine on PS4.

By launching in Feb or March 2020 Sony gets to sell a few million consoles and it's own games while EA then know PS5 will have a sizable install base by holiday 2020, 20 million instead of 10 million, so they can sell more games. If PS5 launches holiday 2020 Sony can only make so many units to sell, which means only so many copies of those games can sell. Sony basically gets too launch windows, early 2020 and late 2020 for the holidays, and people will buy them all summer b/c they will still be in short supply as Sony tries to ramp up supply for a big holiday push.

So EA, Ubi and Activision may have to settle for PS4 and X1X next holiday, but that gives them more time for next gen game development, and more consoles to sell them on holiday 2020 with an early 2020 launch.

That's not set in stone, could be holiday 2019 or holiday 2020 but everything adds up to early 2020 for me at the moment. Obviously things will become clearer early 2019 when Sony is more or less forced to talk about PS5. Probably after Days Gone releases, that game has enough problems as it is w/o being buried under PS5 news.

@rjejr
PS5 November 2019 next year is gonna be Awesome, look at the past comparison the proof is in the pudding, in 2012 Infinity Ward put a Next gen Job listing and the next year Next Gen launched and they released Call Of Duty Ghost and it was Cross Gen on Next Gen 8 Consoles, 6 years later Infinity Ward put a Next Gen Job listing and they’re gonna release Modern Warfare 4 next year and it’ll be Cross Gen on Next Gen 9 Consoles.

https://www.cinemablend.com/games/Next-Gen-Call-Duty-Development-Infinity-Ward-42964.html

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2018/10/call_of_duty_2019_a_next-gen_game_according_to_job_listing_-_could_ps5_launch_in_2019_after_all

@rjejr 7 reasons that PS5 Is launching Holiday 2019
1. The 'length' of the generation. Anecdotally speaking - on the first-party side it was definitely seen that the previous gen was too long. It was 7 years for the PS3->PS4. A PS4->PS5 in 2019 would be 6 years.
2. Symmetry. With PS4 in 2013, PS4 Pro in 2016, and PS5 in 2019, it pegs the 'mid-gen' squarely in the exact middle of the base model and next-gen model, and that sets a good timing precedent for future audiences.
3. The 'cross-gen' reality. Early PS4/XB1 was wrought with many, many games that were available for both generation of consoles, since AAA games are expensive and most 3rd-party publishers will not risk releasing a game strictly for the highest spec consoles. That means even if PS5 and XB2 are released in 2019, there'll be approximately a 2-year maturation period as games transition from cross-gen to next-gen. IMO, cross-gen actually incentives that next-gen consoles are released sooner than later - since it means that the current-gen console base would still be relatively healthy while next-gen transition are going on.
4. Sony's lack of announcements this E3. Say what you want about Sony - they've never been gun-shy at revealing games early. While it's true that TLOU2, GOT and DS could very well be 2020 games, there's actually enough empty space in the 2019-2020 space of games that they could afford one or two announcements but there was none of it even at their biggest stage of the year. IMO, that means that they were not able to - since any game that isn't announced at this point ( AAA-level ) are PS5 only games.
5. The 'success' of the PS4. Unlike some of you, I believe that the success of the PS4 is all the more reason to accelerate the release of the PS5. I believe that the most rational and ideal business execution of the PS5 is not to wait until PS4 is sunsetting in it final year, but to release in the first year of its final 3-years. That way, PS5 will benefit from a relatively mature 2-year cross-gen period where PS4 is still a healthy console rather than one-year good and one-year sluggish. And I definitely think that 2019 will be "Year One" of PS4's final 3 years of significant software support.
6. I don't believe that next-gen console are defined by leaps in hardware technology - but in the best business timing that matches with a significant enough improvement to be able to sell the next flagship box. You need both - and while 2019 might not necessarily be the best timing from a pure technology standpoint, it'll be enough imo - for something that is 5.5-6x more powerful GPU wise than the base PS4. Enough to sell a generational leap.
7. MID-GEN. DOES. NOT. EXTEND. THE. LENGTH. OF. A. CONSOLE. GENERATION.

@rjejr Using Japan as a 2014 launch is a very weak case, PS4 launched November 2013 in the US, Canada and other places and was very successful, Japan is a small target and wasn’t a concern for Sony to launch there November 2013 and PS3 was delayed not just because of the DVD drive, it’s space alien technology was a drag from the start with PS5 using X86 again there won’t be any issues at all. Holiday 2019 was always the plan when PS4 launched November 2013 PS4 Pro was already decided for November 2016 and when PS4 Pro launched November 2016 PS5 was already decided for November 2019. Sony is switching to 3 Year Hardware Refresh Cycles as that’s their best strategy going forward and gives their user base 2 options they can upgrade every 3 years or every 6 years, like I stated before “Everyone” Q1 next year at The PlayStation Meeting Event will find out PS5 is launching Holiday 2019. https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/08/playstation-3-was-delayed-originally-planned-for-2005

@Neolit "I'll have to rethink my stance "

But that's not how the world works these days, you have to double down and say "I'll buy a PS5 when it launches, which will be holiday 2020."

Sorry, all the election rhetoric is wearing me down. And I haven't even been on twitter yet today.

@Badboyfx86 Ooh numbers, I like numbers.

1. History only matters if you factor in success. PS4 had to come early, PS3 was considered a flop by PS2 standards, only sold half as many. Switch had to come early b/c Wii U was a flop by Wii standards. Or any standards really. PS4 has been doing well, there's no rush, history doesn't dictate in a vacuum. PS4 launched in Japan in Feb, does that mean PS5 HAS to launch in Japan in Feb? If it does, then let the rest of the world join Japan.
2. I like symmetry, but it's probably not the top of shareholders concerns. People don't buy products based on symmetry. And you don't even know if there will be a PS5 Pro, PS4 might have just been a one off.
3. Not quite sure what your'e getting at here.
4. Sony has enough games for 2019
Days Gone Feb
Dreams March
Ghosts summer
TLoU2 fall
They need a PS5 early 2020 after PS4 runs out of games, not holiday 2019 next to TLoU2. You can swap Ghosts and TLOU2 if you like, but 2019 is pretty good for PS4 games right into the holiday. Then nothing, hence my early 2020 prediction when Sony likes to release it's big 1st party games.
5.You have it backwards, never stop selling what is selling to gamble on something that might not. The company makes more money per console selling old tech than losing money on new tech, a PS5, they'll have to sell at a loss. And the sooner they sell it, the more they have to pay for it, so the more they lose. And Sony is the hype king, PS2 crushed Dreamcast launching a year later b/c of all the hype. Once PS4 sales start declining Sony focuses on the upcoming PS5, and peopel pick up a last few PS4 holiday 2019 b/c they are cheap.
6. I think we agree on the tech, we are after all only discussing a difference of a few months, holiday 2019 vs early 2020, tech won't change any.
7. Mid gen has nothing to do with it, the Slim is probably outselling the Pro 2-1. The cheaper Slim is extending the life of the PS4, the Pro is just a few extra $ in Sony's pocket. It's basically a non-factor in my thinking.

Since I'm here, next reply -

Japan launch doesn't mean that will be a worldwide launch date, but it means Sony isn't opposed to launching a console in the winter/spring.

And I dont' think when Sony launched the PS4 in 2013 and then the PS4 Pro in 2016 they had a hard timeline in mind. A soft one for sure, everybody needs a "plan", but the plan has to have wiggle room. What if the Pro bombs, what if the Slim takes off. You just dont' say in 2012 - PS4 in 2013, Pro in 2016, PS5 in 2019. Sony was dealing with a mild failure PS3 in 2011, so they were probably just focused on bouncing back in 2013, not 2016 or 2019. They have to be a little more flexible than that to see whats' working and what isn't.

Had Dreams released 2 years ago, TLoU2 released this holiday and Ghosts in spring 2019 then maybe Sony would need the PS5 holiday 2019, but they have games for 2019, and MS isn't kicking their butt with X1S or X1X otherwise MS would be screaming it from the rooftops.

Symmetry, long term planning and holiday releases are nice, but I think Sony has the games, the leverage, the prices, everything they need to delay PS5 until early 2020, which makes them money both over the holiday and then in the dead period of spring and summer.

Last year, 2 years ago, I was all for PS5 holiday 2019, it made sense, but early 2020 makes more sense to me now. That's based on Switch sales, H:ZD and GoW setting up Sonys' big games in the spring, with Days Gone next Feb trying to keep it going, and I don't think X1X is doing so well, so not that much pressure from MS. So they have a little more time to build up stock for Day 1 launch, and maybe bring the prices down a bit on whatever tech is going in there.

@Badboyfx86 "it’ll be Cross Gen on Next Gen 9 Consoles"

Maybe the job listing is for the Switch version, Switch is technically the first gen 9 console. 🤣

@rjejr I’ve been a student level subscriber at SemiAccurate since 2012, I knew about PS4 Pro before PS4 launched and as of last February I found out that PS5 is launching in 2019, but the SemiAccurate article wasn’t out until April. Sony is switching to 3 year hardware refresh cycles as that’s their best strategy going forward, and gives their user base 2 options they can upgrade every 3 years or every 6 years. PS5 will be announced next year and launch later in November. PS4 28nm November 2013, PS4 Pro 16nm November 2016 and PS5 7nm November 2019
https://semiaccurate.com/2013/10/18/sony-takes-radically-different-approach-ps4-lifecycle/

https://semiaccurate.com/2018/04/03/semiacccurate-gets-playstation-5next-details/

@rjejr PS5 Holiday 2019 the sources I have are legit, The PlayStation Meeting Event Q1 next year will confirm it all.

I have a 4TB usb storage added and i still have to occasionally play with memory management. I’d be all over a 2TB Pro!! Black Friday???