Update #2: CD Projekt RED has responded to Cyberpunk 2077's epilepsy concerns, confirming that it will add an additional warning to the beginning of the game. Meanwhile, its team is exploring the possibility of a more permanent fix long-term.
Obviously if you are planning on picking up the game this week and you do have epilepsy, then be careful before playing.
Update #1: UK charity Epilepsy Action has urged CD Projekt RED to make changes to Cyberpunk 2077, as it emerges the game could cause seizures. As outlined below, the title’s presentation includes one particular effect which is similar to one used by neurologists to trigger seizures for medical purposes. Understandably, the organisation is shocked by the revelation.
It said in a statement, as produced by VG247: “We are alarmed and saddened that a game reviewer had a seizure triggered by Cyperpunk 2077, before it was even launched. The game features rapidly blinking lights and other animations that could cause seizures in people with photosensitive epilepsy. These features are unsafe and should have been avoided to make the game more accessible.
“With huge demand and excitement building for its release, it may pose a serious risk to people with photosensitive epilepsy. The developers CD Projekt RED should consider how they can update the game to make it safer. A disclaimer warning at the beginning isn’t enough.”
Original Story: Given the very nature of Cyberpunk 2077 and its gaudy sci-fi setting, it was always going to be a potential trigger for epileptics. However, a deep dive on Game Informer reveals that if you do suffer from the condition you should approach with real care – it sounds like there are some aspects of the release which could potentially trigger seizures.
While this can be true of pretty much any game given the disorder affects everyone differently, the publication mentions that when suiting up for one of the title’s “memory hacking” sequences, the title displays a “rapid onslaught of white and red blinking LEDs, much like the actual device neurologists use in real life to trigger a seizure when they need one for diagnosis purposes”.
The site continues that, while it’s possible the similarity is completely coincidental, “it's a very spot-on coincidence, and because of that this is one aspect that I would personally advise you to avoid altogether”. It adds: “When you notice the headset come into play, look away completely or close your eyes. This is a pattern of lights designed to trigger an epileptic episode and it very much did that in my own personal playthrough.”
It sounds like the game would perhaps benefit from some accessibility settings to tone down triggers for those who suffer with epilepsy. Obviously this game is coming in hot – we still don’t have review code – so it may take a little while for CD Projekt RED to add something like that in, but we’d recommend reading through Game Informer’s article if you do plan to play at launch so that you can at least be prepared.
[source gameinformer.com]
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I'm epileptic (or at least I used to be) and I can't wait to play this game. I'm gonna *****' die, can't wait.
@KeanuReaves Haha, just be careful!
Ok that’s going to be patched out. Hopefully. That’s extremely worrying just how similar the pattern of lights is to actual epileptic triggers. Considering the inaccuracies and lack of research seen elsewhere in the game , it’s not a huge leap if they just outright dumped that light pattern into the game because it ‘looked cool’.
Yikes, hopefully there's a patch coming to tone that down.
FFS what on earth were CD thinking of? This is HIGHLY irresponsible. My Epilepsy meds are not working as well as they should and I normally see my Neurologist every 3 month, but because of the Covid-19 situation I haven't seen her since March so I'm having more seizures than usual. If I'd have fired this game up it could have caused untold damage to me and you bloody well bet I'd have sued the arse off them! This needs patched as a matter of urgency!
There should be an option to disable flashing lights in all games! I don't have the condition myself but I'm super supportive of acessibility in gaming, and this seems like a dangerous thing.
They can fix it, probably!
A critic with epilepsy, the person who wrote the Game Informer article in fact, actually had a seizure while playing and spoke about it. This caused ‘fans’ (despite not having played the game yet) to start sending her videos that would trigger an epileptic seizure.
@nessisonett Twitter is beyond just a cesspool at this point. Downright disgusting
Even if there was no bad intention here I'm really baffled this could pass QA. Doesn't bode well for how polished the game will be at launch
@Jayslow This is the audience that CDPR have cultivated through their targeted advertising, the woman who wrote the GameSpot review is getting inundated with hate mail and death threats too. The really sad thing is that none of these people have played the game. The reviewers have. This is going to give the whole TLOU2 situation a run for its money, I’ve already seen people on this very site write off slightly less positive reviews as being ‘too political’... about a cyberpunk game that is inherently political in every conceivable way.
@BalsBigBrother Epilepsy is a fairly well known condition and especially around video game devs as it’s usually first on the agenda when it comes to accessibility. The worrying thing isn’t the flashing images, it’s that the specific pattern of flashing images is exactly the same as the one used to induce seizures in a controlled environment. There’s no way that’s a coincidence which then raises more questions about who implemented the light pattern and who signed off on it.
@nessisonett probably the same people issuing death threats to CDPR devs after each delay. Absolute cesspool
An old friend of mine has epilepsy and I was there when he suffered a full seizure — it's no joke. This seems pretty irresponsible. Hopefully CDPR will sort it out.
@BalsBigBrother The fact there’s options for streamers to disable copyrighted music but not options to remove the potentially deadly seizure-inducing effects speaks multitudes.
@Profondo That’s awful, and I’m glad you read about it before going in blind. Hopefully they change that quickly, there’s nothing artistic about it. Doesn’t need to be there.
Ugh. This is why a third person mode is needed.
@nessisonett That's the most vile, despicable, heinous thing I've heard in a while. Sometimes I really despair of my fellow man.
@deathaxe Damn I hope you get sorted out soonly. The night ones are the worst for me, when I get up in the morning I feel absolutely exhausted as if I'd never been to bed.
@TG16_IS_BAE Thanks bud. Yeah I'm bloody well glad that sites like Push Square have covered this as it could have been disastrous. I do hope that news gets out further afield, not to cause CD damage, but just so folks are aware and can turn their heads away or such until it's patched. It's obviously not been done maliciously and just a bit of a boo-boo!
I'm epileptic and I also don't really like FPS games, so even more reason not to get this!
I find it extremely unlikely that CDPR are trying to sneak a seizure inducing sequence into their game to hurt people. However gross, oversights do happen and this will be addressed in some matter quickly. Not everything that happens in the world is initiated by four dudes in suits smoking cigars and laughing while hitting the big red kill switch.
Don’t patch it out, just include an option to turn it off at the start,
Hearing about people purposefully sending flashing videos to epileptics is terrible. Absolutely horrendous. In a world where sickos torture people and post online anything goes these days
Just put a warning before the start screen.
Like every studio does.
Not very accessible for the many millions who suffer with epilepsy. Quite a big oversight by CDPR let's hope they patch it so many more can enjoy it.
@Akurusu Agree so many people suffer from motion sickness and epilepsy. CDPR has managed to alienate them all.
@themcnoisy this on the other hand I have absolutely no words for.
@Jimmer-jammer exactly. It's an odd oversight that could happen to anyone. I'm not THAT surprised such a massive game has issues like this. After all, it's an ambitious game.
The people who are treating CDPR like gods and torturing others online on the other hand... absolutely disgusting. Such behaviors should 100% have consequences, and sadly it happens far too many times on the net and yet we see no improvements towards it.
I really can't see the benefit for a company to put this in on purpose, knowing it's going to cause seizures. So I'm filing this under honest mistake. Not even that serious of one either. I'm sure it can easily be patched with a setting option or removed entirely.
@Makina A warning would be useless other than advising people with photosensitive epilepsy to not play the game at all. Imagine buying a crate of beer and noticing a warning on it that said "Whoops, sorry, one of these cans has poison in and it might kill you if you drink it". Are you going to drink that crate of beer? Or hope that if you do, you merely collapse to the ground and violently twitch for several minutes instead of dying?
The epilepsy warning in games is 99% of the time to do with how prolonged exposure the game without adequate breaks might trigger a seizure. It's in the same kind of way driving your car might lead to a fatal crash. However, the pattern in this game whenever you hack is the exact same pattern used to intentionally cause seizures - so it's more like driving a car where for millions of people the brakes will randomly not work.
@deathaxe I have also done this recently. I'm lucky to have a relatively small tongue as many of my night seizures I managed to have minimal damage.
I was going to wait on some reviews anyway, but I can't risk this as I still have seizures in the night time, especially if I have seen flashing lights or such. If I stare at a screen on a bus too long I have to have a break because this also causes vomiting, nausea and before I was careful also a black out. There's no way they're gonna leave it in too long.
Oh dear. This NEEDS to be patched ASAP. Unfortunately, it's probably too late to delay the release of the game, but retailers should be emailing people with preorders about this.
@Subsided So people with epilepsy should just never expose themselves to any sort of digital media because it's too much to ask the people creating said media to not include patterns designed to trigger seizures?
You should feel ashamed of yourself for the vile crap you're posting online.
@Sam-Bridges yeah this stuff about people with epilepsy being sent triggering videos is not funny, offensive and completely unconscionable for any reasonable human being.
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As usual, a developer is made aware of a legit issue and vows to make some changes. Sounds like a great outcome to me.
@Subsided For normal flashing lights you'd normally encounter in games? Sure.
For patterns specifically designed to trigger seizures? Not a chance.
It's basic social responsibility not to put something in your game/movie/etc. that's designed to hurt people with certain conditions.
It's not realistic or ethical to expect people to avoid digital media entirely out of fear that they might encounter something like that.
@Subsided I'm not sure what exaclty you're arguing for/against. The devs fairly stupidly incorporated something approximating a medical test pattern to cause a specific pattern. That shouldn't actually be in an entertainment product. If the game were intentionally using that because the character was receiving that medical test for some reason there could be an argument for it being incorporated and having to understand the risk of something included for accuracy. But this isn't that, it's used just to have a "cool visual effect" for a character doing, basically a mind-meld/seance thing. Any visual effect would suffice for the creative intent, and they simply stupidly used on that is actually medically problematic. It doesn't need to be in the game, shouldn't have been in the game, should have been obvious to not put it in the game from both safety and legal perspectives, and certainly won't be in the game for long. Lots of other cool visual light shows will do the job without actually causing medical conflicts.
@Subsided Please stop posting this nonsense. This is a very specific case and it should be addressed as soon as possible.
Did you guys see that "fans" sent videos to the reviewer that can cause attacks? Like seriously, strobing lights and things like that...ridiculous
This problem is not a new one https://www.theguardian.com/business/2004/apr/18/theobserver.observerbusiness6#:~:text=Nintendo%20faces%20allegations%20that%20a,flashing%20sequences%20from%20the%20games.
http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9712/17/video.seizures.update/
@Subsided Nobody that makes video games has the intention of including things that cause actual harm. It's a mistake. A stupid one given every game already has disclaimers about that, but it's still an error. Think of it as a bug to patch - the game can crash the player rather than the other way around.
I can agree with you in terms of being fed up with every group in the world wanting the world to bend to their own special interests - but I think that general frustration blinding you to this specific case. It's not about special interest groups wanting everyone to change things to suit their opinions and emotions. It's about a very specific flashing pattern in the game inducing very specific medical reactions in some individuals that can cause actual bodily harm. Nobody's telling them to remove having a light show for that event in the game for political points. They're saying that specific pattern/color sequence is an actual problem with potential physical effects and should be replaced with a different pattern/sequence not known to cause that effect.
Putting that in intentionally would be like putting infected needles in the disc box. It's not done on purpose, it's a problem that gets resolved when discovered.
There's no real debate about that to have an ideological stance on. Because of the pattern's nature, it could adversely, physically, affect people that don't know they have a problem until they see it. It will prevent other people that do know, and have heard the warning from buying and playing the game because they know it's unsafe for them, which is quite certainly not the actual intent of the sequence in the game, and a different sequence of visual effects would have zero negative impact on the storytelling or the "coolness" of the scene.
You can be certain the developers neither want to harm anyone, nor want people to be unable to buy their game because it includes medical warnings its unfit for them. This isn't "the internet versus artistic freedom" - it's simply a fairly stupid oversight by the developers that will be quickly fixed now that it's been brought to their attention. They neither want the litigation, the guilt of harm, or, frankly, the revenue loss of excluding some people from enjoying the game that weren't intended to be prevented from enjoying it.
Even if the world went with your idea of just making sure to warn people to use it at the risk of their own safety, and be aware of the risks, it's not like that approach wasn't already a commercial disaster for the Virtual Boy!
@MPaulson You should really stop trolling. Idiot.
@Jaz007 Exactly
@ Profondo WTF dude. Isn’t that WAY too long without seeing a doctor. I’d find a way, c virus (don’t know if I’d be banned for using actual name, new here) be damned. Stay safe
@Matroska @Makina it also seems pretty gross to say that disabled people should be excluded from one of the biggest media events of the year rather than just removing the problem or adding an option to turn it off.
Edit: and now I see more people below the comment I responded to who seem to think it's an issue of special interest groups rallying against artistic freedom. Gross
So many comments by people wirh epilepsy. How comman is epilepsy? I think ive known a few people that have had seizures, i dont know if it was caused by epilepsy. They should just add a option to toggle it off. Every game should have a option to cut off flashing lights.
@ellsworth004 I'm somewhat misanthropic and know a handful of epileptics off the top of my head. Most of them are controlled on medication, haven't had seizures in years, but in the UK you get your driver's license taken away for ages if you have a seizure, so even if they're mild there's strong incentive to avoid triggers at all costs.
@theheadofabroom i dont know the exact rules in US, but im pretty sure u can get them taken for have seizures. Sad that people actually have a problem with this being patched. What is wrong with the people nowadays. Sending someone messages with seizure inducing lights...sick
@MPaulson Removing something from a game that causes physical damage is the same as your nonsense.
As it's their platform they can act on and I'm not going too miss you.🤪
@Max2574 A while ago this site posted something related to the game & I said third person should be an option for those who experience motion sickness or anything else.
I got so much heat for it from the CDPR fanbase & was told I was “ruining the vision of the game” because I wanted to gamers to avoid experiencing stuff like this. A studio will make one good game or two & fans won’t care what they do after.
@ellsworth004 There's about 65 millions epileptics in the World, mostly in developped countries. It's not that common. For example, it is estimated that around 1-2 % of the US population is epileptic.
Still, games should avoid flashing lights. I'm not epileptic but they are ***** annoying anyways.
Maybe I'm misinformed - I often am - but shouldn't those susceptible to seizures kind of assume triggering effects like this might come with the territory of playing games, especially those set in colorful neon futures?
The lack of warning is a dumb mistake, but vilifying them for not removing the effects is egocentric.
And if you think there was malice intended on CDPR's side, you're just plain stupid.
@ellsworth004 I'm 51 and was diagnosed with Epilepsy just last year, out of the blue. It can happen to anyone at anytime in their life. My seizures were originally thought to be heart related until I got a proper diagnosis.
Back to the game and CDPR - I'm glad that now it's been brought to their attention the studio will do something about it. This wasn't done maliciously and shouldn't be thought as such. Kudos to CDPR for stepping up so quickly...
@Subsided I've just read your deleted comments via email addressing me. What a hateful, intolerant individual you come across as.
@Makina that doesn't cut it, sorry. Needs to be taken out, changed or switched off by default with the ability to turn it on.
I have epilepsy and can tell you, waking up from a seizure feels like you have been hit by a bus, you have no recollection of what happened that day, and your tongue is bit to shreds. In summary, it's not fun.
If there is an element in a game that can specifically cause that, it shouldn't be there. As most epileptics will agree, we know the risk of playing games but most of them are generally OK. This sounds like it isn't.
Did anyone else read through the EULA for the flavour text from the Night City native?
I don't know why, but I find it pretty cool that CD Project have even tried to make the legal stuff more interesting! 😂
On the topic of epilepsy, I hope CDPR can make some changes to the colours and patterns used as soon as possible to minimise any discomfort and serious issues for their player base.
I wouldn't go as far to say they did this on purpose, but possibly didn't take extra care when designing them to make sure they were safe for everyone to enjoy.
For those of you with a condition, please stay safe if you play the game, and depending on the severity of your condition, take extra care if you can't wait for the changes before playing the game.
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@Makina Please don't compare people with epilepsy — a potentially fatal condition in some circumstances — to people being easily offended.
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