PS Plus Premium Members Bemused by Sony Once Again

There is a small library of older titles for Premium. Saw Wild Arms 1-3 and a few others a few days ago. It’s like they add stuff randomly to premium. Xpass this ain’t.

I saw though this BS from the beginning, im glad I never spent money on the higher tiers . Any classic I will just buy individually.

I normally don't complain about this stuff but it's pretty bad. It could easily be so much better.

I'm with Premium, do I have to wait for my Premium to expire before being able to change to Extra? How do I change it to extra?

Completely pointless waste of money tier that is only good for giving Sony more negative headlines for no reason. They could easily scrap it and just focus on improving PS Plus Extra while advertising how much value you're getting.

I'm just glad I didn't renew after my first year of owning a PS5, it's been terrible in all guides since then.

It was like $8 to go from extra to premium for the rest of my subscription and it was an easy choice to stay with Extra.

Come on Sony… is it really that technically challenging for you to add PS1 games? There got to be some PS1 games you actually own and can throw in there!!!

It is a pretty sad state of affairs. There's literally zero reason to have Premium at the moment. Hopefully they throw us a bone in December. Legend of Dragoon, Metal Gear Solid, something!

This month's premium is way better than extra, you guys just don't know good games. Sucks about deluxe though, but most regions with that tier are even cheaper than extra (in regions with premium) so they're already getting a better value.

For this reason I downgraded from Deluxe to Extra… no reason to pay more to have nothing more.

@Milktastrophe This months premium of loads of PS3 Ratchet gaames despite 4 of them being PS2 games that could be played natively on the system if they tried.

And lets not forget how they did with Sly as well for Premium.

And how both those Sly games and all these Ratchet games were er....how do we say this....on PS Now before the rebrand but got taken down so they can add them back again a few months later?

This is objectively being given the same thing you had before after it had been taken away to give it a new name, and now you pay more for it.

@PSfanboy1992. Yep i agree with you playa.same sh🤔t i said.give me more grand theft auto vice city stories.grand theft auto liberty city stories.maximo.parasites eve.scarface the world is yours.black.daxter.etc.word up son

@Haruki_NLI if you just make stuff up you can make anything sound bad. These Ratchet and Clank games were not on PS Now.

The extra tier on the other hand this month does include games that were previously on essential. That tier is the one giving you stuff that you already have.

Seems like they are in the path to dropping the top tier and only offering two in the future.

I have always viewed Premium as just more games than Extra and game streaming, not specifically a tier for older games and streaming. Through that lense, it doesn't matter what they have in Extra or Premium as the Premium tier just adds on games to the Extra tier, remasters or otherwise.

@Milktastrophe Streaming is the big problem with Premium's picks, it would've been a good month for Premium if Sony did native versions for PS3 games.

@Snake_V5

You change it any time:

https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/support/subscriptions/change-ps-plus/

Bear in mind that if the payment for premium is near, then I would change the subscription to extra after the final payment for premium.

Good thing I didn't get the premium, seems like its a ripoff to ppl who put big dollars on it.

Extra looking like the value tier haha.

Xbox Game Pass gets all the praise even for releasing games that won't even work beyond the title screen (cough cough I Am Fish cough cough Surgeron Simulator 2), yanking games out even if they did say that the whole series will be on there (cough cough Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts cough cough) and less variety and games, yet Sony gets ***** because there's no Day 1 games (Beyond Stray) and they try to make their emulators better to the point of hiring people to work on the emulators. Oh sure.... Sony will make a PS3 emulator on PS5 and they will add more PS1, PS2 and PSP games. People just need to grow a damn backbone.

@streetzman Not to mention be more open-minded.

@streetzman @Milktastrophe The problem everyone has with premium is it BLOWS. it's a complete and total rip off. A. You can buy the older games and B. No one wants to STREAM the Ps3 games. Not to mention the fact that the Ps2 games are all from the Ps4 and NONE of them work properly on Ps5.
People want to say that Nintendo's system for older games on the Switch Online sucks, but it's BETTER than Sony's. Yes, there are issues, but at least Nintendo FIXES those issues. Sony hasn't done jack *****.

@Grumblevolcano people honestly make streaming into a bigger deal than it is. You don't really need that good of internet either. If you can stream Netflix in hd you can probably stream games (PS3 games are 720p, I think some may be even less). Input latency will be similar to playing any online game.

@Yuyukirby I've played a ton of great PS3 games through PS Now and Premium.

The first time since the service has gone life will I be letting my subs expire. I wont even be sticking to plus for the two free games cause nothing has impressed myself in a while either.

Thankfully I do not play much MP so it wont be a big loss, ill just play on PC the times I want to MP in a game.

@streetzman Gamepass has Day 1 games that include big titles like the new Plague Tale, access to nearly every 1st party MS title, various perks that range from free DLC to subs to streaming services and XCloud a very good gaming streaming services. Its far better value then Premium and only a PS fanboy would think otherwise, Extra is though great value and challenges GP on the games front but Premium is a scam and a laughing stock compared to GP.

End of the day this isn't a give Sony time to improve thing, MS set the bar and Sony had to be at least near it and they very much aren't.

Still don’t know why anyone would be interested in that tier. Granted, By the time they announced all the extra tiers, I had already bought all the games in that library that I ever would have wanted. I love PS but these services are still no match for the $10/month game pass

they should just do away with premium and just have essential and extra

@get2sammyb

Deluxe subscriber here. Not only the Deluxe sub has been left out, but the way I see it, Premium marquee titles have been focussing on PS3 games recently - Sly Cooper, Ratchet and Clank etc. Won't be surprised if whoever decides tiers for these games is not even aware that something like Deluxe exists. It's a misnomer.

Since Deluxe does not appears to be a planned sub, but more of a replacement of Premium where streaming was not possible, we have to filter out announcements ourselves to see which of the Premium games we are getting. Thanks Pushsquare for highlighting this!

I'm happy with my extra sub and i'll renew it but sony really needs to sort out the premium option..its almost as if they got them the wrong way round..

Premium is just a farce at the moment as they have no clue what games should even be in each tier, the only certainty is that PS1/2 and PSP games should be in premium and that Sony won't bother to release any either. You would have thought they'd have got these in order before release, yet somehow they've made Nintendo's efforts look positively overflowing by comparison.

It'll be a long, long time before I consider Premium again

If premium either allowed ps3 games to be downloaded or, for me, games streamed to my phone using data, then I’d see some benefit to it. But currently it’s just a way to avoid download time, but getting a less stable experience. There is zero benefit to me in that.

Plus, they need to stop treating previous ps now fans like crap by just giving back games that were previously on that service.

My biggest complaint is that there are no "ps5" titles frikin skyrim special edition isn't the Anniversary edition

I was seriously excited for Plus Premium, specifically for the retro content. Upon launch it seemed pretty light and Sony weren't saying very much at all about it so I held off. Bloody glad I did, might give it a go if they add a few more, but until then I'm more likely to just purchase titles outright...

Ridge Racer, various Metal Gear, Castlevania, Driver, Wipeout, Megaman, God of War 1-3, Res Evil 1-3, Prince of Persia, NBA Street, Bully, Manhunt, GTA 1 an 2, GTA 3, Gran Turismo 1-4, Splinter Cell, Hslf Life, Collin Mcrae, Warriors, etc, etc, etc!!! Why are they finding it so hard?????

@get2sammyb PS Premium customers have been getting a raw deal,anyone that has been in a Deluxe region has been sold a lemon from day one! The additions of psp/ps1 titles have been few & underwhelming,poor performance & broken promises of NTSC/PAL versions access.

Meantime there's been zero PS2 game library additions since the defunct PS2 Classics on PS4 range,& several of those titles apparently can't run for those upgrading to ps5!🙄

Rather than pour resources into fully functional ps1 & ps2 software based emulations to allow all PS Regions enjoy the likes of the Sly Cooper & Ratchet & Clank anniversaries,Sony instead have relied on a rebranded PS Now service to cover its "retro" classics range at the expense of it being streaming only & limited availability.

Much like the disappointing line-up of games on the ps1 mini (using a 3rd party emulator),its been a continual case of a service advertising a retro tier but in reality done on the cheap...Jim Ryan has been on record defending backwards compatibility of older generations being a cost vs profit/popularity issue,yet Sony has refused to make a decent effort,(esp. on his watch),so how can they say it isn't popular?😑

They can find resources for a Last of Us ps5 remaster,(good though it might be),but remasters of even the PS3 Sly Cooper & Ratchet compilations of the PS2 games seem to fall into the too hard/not profitable basket....if they can afford a mobile phone studio you'd think they could resource a retro studio or two to focus on bringing genuine ps classics back to life on modern generations.

They really need to try harder with Premium than the other tiers, not less hard. You're basically paying to emulate games you could emulate on any PC for free - and on PC they'd have better graphics and other functionality. You're kind of doing them a favour, frankly, they shouldn't treat those customers like an afterthought.

@lankieBD Thanks.

Better off buying 2nd hand copies of PS3 games from eBay than this junk.

It's almost as if the Jim Ryan school of PlayStation only care about gamers so long as they keep coughing up enormous amounts of cash every month...

Honestly I have chosen Premium just to play the mafia remastered games, since I am a huge fan of the first original.
The yakuza remastered games were also a good addition.
But did not have the time to get to the mafia games.
And now they are gone.
And I won't have time to play all the yakuza also, so they will probably be gone in the mean time.

So yes, ps plus extra is the way to go for me, for sure.

@get2sammyb What's PS Plus Deluxe?? The 3 tiers are Essential, Extra and Premium are they not? 🤔

If you dont use streaming, stick with extra. Sony confused everone by pretending they were gonna give access to classics, but its pretty obvious now that thats not the point of that tier.

Personally, i use streaming to try a game and see if I like it without downloading. If im going to continue playing it, I then download.
Ill remain on premium just for that functionality, but I certainly dont expect Ill see much in the way of classics 😂

@Zemo55 That's what I asked. I think deluxe is just another name for Premium in countries that can't stream from what I gather?

@Zemo55 @tomassi

There are regions where Sony cannot offer full-fledged Premium tier since PS3 streaming is not available there. These are same regions where PS Now was never a thing. In these regions Premium is rebranded as Deluxe with reduced pricing. Sort of halfway between Extra and Premium.

But the whole tier is missing from regular marketing and promo material. You won't know it exists unless you are in one of those regions.

People who subscribe to Deluxe are those who are looking forwards to PS1 and PS2 catalogue (just like most Premium users).

The irony is that Sony leaving a bad taste in the mouths of their fanbase is that the fanbase will look else where. Either via Microsoft or piracy. As the article states, it does feel like a scam. Personally, I find scams difficult to forget, especially when it comes from a well known brand. I won't forget and will look for alternatives rather than giving more money to Sony. I suspect many others will feel the same way. Sony has shot themselves in the foot and this style of business mismanagement and disorganisation doesn't bode well for PlayStation in the long term. The problems need to be resolved as it smells of a money grab before the last hurrah. I think this may be the last (or maybe penultimate) run for the PlayStation brand and it will be interesting to see where the brand stands at the end of this generation.

It’s very worrying to have a service with no commitment on what will be added/maintained. But Sony have been this way for a while. How is there not even a fixed day for these updates? It’s mental.

@Robinsad side note, this is a great month for content, ps3 support is what I’m looking for, but it doesn’t change my views on their tactics.

@streetzman you're right, gamepass is 👌

Maybe we aren't suppose to be subscribing to Premium but intended for us to go for Extra instead. Maybe Premium is only for people that want to play the classics from time to time but not something to sub to for a whole year.

Sony hates video games. Sony hates their fans. But Sony loves your money.

The fact is this service should've launched with a good amount of classics included defenders will say how it's only early days for the service but forget playstation now had been running for going on a decade & they started bringing select playstation 2 games over to the PS4 years ago before abruptly ending it aswell as the fact the PS3 had a much larger selection of PS1 & PS2 games available on the store this is just a case of Sony promising something putting in minimum effort & not delivering on expectations

@Juanalf they can't just scrap something that many people will have already paid for

@BeerIsAwesome did you forget that not everyone has an internet connection that will support streaming games & the fact that some countries don't even have that feature

@BeerIsAwesome what are you talking about, "bringing PS1 classics to PS3"? You can literally put any PS1 disc in your PS3 and it will play.

@Yuyukirby the ps2 games don't work on the ps5 ?

@jordan1992 resident evil 1 is on there but it's pretty pointless since the superior REmake exists lol

I paid for a year up front for Premium. I should have just went with Essential. Premium really is a bad deal unfortunately. Essential on the other hand, especially for me since I haven't had a PS since the PS3 is great as I am catching up on all the games I missed. A lot of value there for me at least. I am not sure what Sony is doing at this point with Premium. It makes no sense.

@BeerIsAwesome

Those Ratchet games were on PS Now before Sony closed it down so basically they're nothing new and we're just removed so they could be readded later to make it look like there's new content on Premium.

https://www.truetrophies.com/ps-now/games?page=8

I think Premium started quite promisingly and then has been nothing bit a disappointment since. Unless something changes soon I'll be dropping down to Extra.

Sony don't seem to understand why people aren't happy as they seem to think that emulated PS3 games are a draw for their service. The reality is that most people ignore those games because they're streamed therefore are leggy and a horrible way to play those games.

@Milktastrophe Good for you, everyone else doesn't like the system for Ps3 games being stream only cause it's lazy.

@Would_you_kindly Unless there are only Non Ps2 on Ps4 games (which MOST of the Ps2 games on Premium are) no.

I had hopes that this would compete with GamePass. I was wrong! Won't be getting it again when the current one runs out.

@Yuyukirby actually most people don't mind it because they understand PS4 and PS5 can't play PS3 games so this is the only way.

@Milktastrophe

Bro that is not true.

I can stream 1080p content fine but the input latency for most PS3 games are pretty awful. Plus you have to factor in that many PS3 games used very early (and flawed) versions of what we would call today TAA. So that drastically increased input lag on native console play. Killzone 2 is a good example of that. It looked really clean back in 2009 but because it was the early days of filtering frames to clean up the image it imparted a ton of input lag. The extra latency of an online connection on top of it makes it way worse.

I upgraded to premium at launch till Feb. I'll likely be downgrading to Extra instead come Feb. I haven't streamed anything, the trials are pointless and the retro games were never really my thing. I'll make do with Extra.

@Yuyukirby I booted up San Andreas on my ps5 & it seemed to run fine

@OrtadragoonX sounds like you can't play regular games online then either. The input latency will be too much. It's the same thing, the input needs to go from your console to the server/P2P console running the game.

@Milktastrophe

My latency for most multiplayer titles is reasonable. I ping out at 90-105ms on Modern Warfare 2. 75-90 for Fortnite. And surprisingly Street Fighter V plays extremely well on my network as did the SFVI beta. Not optimal numbers but perfectly playable. I only have to compensate for three to four frames of lag on most fighting games, which is perfectly doable.

I’m on a fixed wireless connection using Ethernet wired directly to my modem. Funny enough when I tether my phone to my PS5 through wifi I actually get lower numbers. Got a local carrier cell tower on the property and my ping on MWII drops down to around 70ms. The only reason I don’t do it most of the time is because it’s less stable than my fixed wireless connection. Basically when my cell connection spikes it spikes horrifically.

It’s the joys of living in the rural United States.

To be fair, I’ve only ever tried streaming PS3 titles. And all of those were pretty appalling.

I’ve never tried streaming a PS4 or PS5 title. Those may work better.

@Yuyukirby ps3 games are only stream able thats why. there is no playablity for them on the ps5. so its either stream or not have access to them at all or buy a ps3.

@twitchtvpat Exactly my point. It'sa really ***** system. I'd rather have no Ps3 games, tbh.

Next month down to extra , premium waste of time.

What I am annoyed with is that the ps3 and ps1 games are titles that I as a gamer and a loyal PlayStation fan who has owned every console up to ps4 have yet to find a game on ps plus that I like and all the titles that are available I either own or have no interest in aying as I never liked the title the first time it was released I have had ps plus premium for three months now and it appears I am just wasting my money as I have yet to download or play anything on the site

It’s bad on purpose so they can point to it’s unpopularity when they eventually want nothing to do with their classics catalog.

I don't understand why people are that upset. are people mad you are paying $1.60 more a month for extra games? in the article it stated that you get several ratchet and clank games on premium... no brainer I pay more I get more. but them complain when a remaster as it stated GTA is available to a lower tier and not just premium? shouldn't you be happy about that? it clearly stated that PS3 streams will only be for premium so I don't understand people being upset when that is the case. if you are comparing game pass to plus. lets look at how well Xbox exclusives are doing. oh Forza or if they buy blizzard and make COD exclusive (which is already water down every year even more when that happens because you just lost 60% of your revenue stream). while PlayStation has a bunch because they don't give out all their games for free and not make money to put into developing more high quality games. if you want game pass so much just go buy a Xbox (make sure to buy the S as all Xbox games have to meet the lower quality of the S so X games you might get better quality...might not).

Stuff like this is exactly why my PS4 stays gathering dust in an Xbox box, soon as they scammed people with the mods switcheroo on bethesda games i knew it would only be downhill from there and dipped, people gonna take whatever scraps are given i am sure and find some way to defend it, ratchet and clank streamed in low quality via a terrible service like ps now for the highest ps plus tier is a complete joke no matter the price, who actually likes ps now? PS3 games should be backwards compatible not streamed which will always mean poorer quality no matter how fast your internet.

I already had the premium because of being subscribed to both services at the time. Now I've had this premium for some time I've hardly used it. I have crap Internet anyway so streaming isn't an option for me and when games are stream only its an issue so I still play anything I can download. Even the xbox game pass which I have for PC is better and with that you get better rewards and a better lineup plus you know what's coming and going. The one thing I can't stand is not knowing if a game will be going off the premium or whatever tier. I could be in the middle of getting a platinum for a game and i have to rush a game because it could expire without me knowing.