Sony Delists Ghost of Tsushima PC from Steam Regions in Line with Helldivers 2

With the way things are going, Sony should just abandon the PC market entirely, because if they are going to limit who can play their games based entirely on if they can use a PSN account, the hatred that’s going to spew forth onto them is going to severely effect sales. It really is best that they just focus on their own PlayStation consoles and be done with it because this isn’t going to end at all well.

I'm sure Sony's army of defenders will defend such anti-consumer tactics.

@Bionic-Spencer i agree outside of the fact they need the money. I know most gamers on here love to crap on Xbox and why not they deserve it from time to time. But when Microsoft went to PC day and date i seen how much money they were making on there and said at some point Sony is going to want some of that money they are leaving on the table. But this isn’t the way to do it. Look at call of Duty, it sells more on PC than PS5 and Xbox combined. PC has become a place dev’s can’t ignore, if they don’t do day and date they are for sure coming there at some point. Sony has to do it but they really need to rethink the strategy. This won’t work for PC players.

Yeah, Sony need to forget about the petty mustard faces and just get back to making their console great again. We can safely say Xbox is dead now so they don't need to release their games on PC to compete with Microsoft anymore.

Oh no, thats about 150 lost sales, how can sony recover?

@Bionic-Spencer i’m inclined to agree to an extent since i need a reason to turn my ps5 on at this point

@Mio_Nakashima wowzers

@HonestHick no they do not make more on PC than PS5 and Xbox combined. Call of Duty's revenue is more evenly split: 59% console, 26% PC, and 15% mobile as of 2023. Stop just lying.

Wait.... JAPAN is a restricted country?!?

I really thought it was a legal problem they were trying to avoid with online play, but now I'm really not sure what they're thinking...

Not a fan of accounts. But this is such an overblown issue. PSN accounts are free and many game devs, even beloved ones like Capcom and Square made me make accounts to play their games.

@zhoont

It could still be. Without the multiplayer working in certain regions those consumers could argue they are being sold and inferior product for (presumably) the same price. That doesn't look good to regulators.

@Jamesblob Sony is worst developer but God of War 2018 has an overwhelmingly positive review score. The most vocal people are not always the majority.

@Colt22 PSN accounts can't be made in the majority of the countries on this planet.

@The_Wailing_Doom The same regulators that okay'd the Activision deal? Regulators may as well not exist.

@DennisReynolds The majority of countries on earth don't buy games.

@Colt22 The majority of the countries effected by this do buy games.

@Colt22
Different regulators, but yes, the regulators who approved Microsoft buying even more power are clearly very bad at their jobs.

@Colt22 not lying, if my info is wrong thats one thing. But i just seen a graph showing the spilt when they were talking about if COD is coming to GP this year. It showed PC sales of COD higher on PC than PS5 and Xbox combined. Not sure how accurate that chart was but it was on a site talking about how much money MS would be giving up if COD comes to GP day and date, then it went into talking about raises in GP price. Just watched it 3 days ago.

@Colt22 The majority of countries on earth don't buy games.

Then wouldn’t it make more sense to not sell the console there. They don’t buy games and they can’t get PSN. Seems like it would be smarter to not sell a console there since Sony wouldn’t be making money from them, no?

@HonestHick Everything I have seen says there are more cod players on Playstation, let alone adding Xbox. Throw that combined nonsense right out your head.

Blizzard is why PC revenue is high. WoW is only available on PC. Cod is growing on PC, don't dispute that, but it does not sell twice as much on PC. No chance in hell that is true.

God of War sold 20 million on Playstation, 3 million on PC.

@Colt22 i mean that is what i would believe but thats not what was being shown. It also showed mobile sells over half of COD sales. So i would assume that is including war zone. Even a better rumor is this years COD is only on PS5 and Series, skipping PS4 and Xbox One. That will be a nice upgrade and make some gamers upgrade hardware.

PC gamer said the revenue of Cod was 59 percent on console in 2023. I doubt in one year, it has jumped by 30 percent.

@get2sammyb I am sure they will. They want the PSN numbers obviously, to sell to investors. It's dumb.

@Colt22 here’s a link to the graph i was referring to.
8% Xbox, 16% PS, 25% PC 51% mobile.
So PC is almost 2-1 over console, enjoy the graph as someone with the name Honest never lies. Maybe is misinformed, but not lies. Get that in your head.

https://icon-era.com/threads/call-of-duty-active-users-by-platform.4615/

@DennisReynolds Imagine a person liking Sony on a Sony fan site. The horror. They may not get everything right, but the anti Sony stuff I see on this site is insane.

@Colt22 Imagine liking/loving a corporation that doesn't even see you as a human being. I like the games and consoles not the corporations behind them.

@Kraaatos "Oh no, thats about 150 lost sales, how can sony recover?"

"It doesn't personally effect me and my beloved country so who cares, probably just the poors regions" is what I got from your comment 😒

How difficult is it for Sony just to allow you to make an account wherever you happen to live?

The way this is being downplayed is racist. That’s what it is. The people affected by decisions as sweeping as this apparently don’t matter as much as people in the obvious countries. It cannot be this difficult to either roll out PSN across the globe or have these countries as an exception to the PSN integration.

In the affected countries where PSN isn't supported, PS5 consoles can't be sold either (officially). So PC is the only place where people could get these games without buying the console abroad and breaking the terms of service of PSN.

So I'd argue that it's a bit anti-consumer to require the PSN when there isn't a good reason to require it. I'm sure there would be plenty of people interested in buying these games.

If the rumors are true and xbox is no longer competition for ps5 then this whole force the world to make a psn account might be the first step to psn no longer being free.

Don't ever want to hear companies complain that games didn't meet sales expectations etc or that it's hard to recoup cost when they seemingly value data harvesting more than just straight up sales.

Decisions like these are completely moronic.

Sony rather not sells their games rather than sells their games without psn integration. I think helldiver 2 psn integration will be coming again in the future 😕

@z0d15g0d I think making psn account will always be free, but multiplayer won't be free even when playing on pc (in the future), that's why sony is so intent on psn integration with their pc games.

@BlaizeV Watching sony prefer data harvesting more than selling their pc games make me really uncomfortable that dualsense has always on mic that listening to players on default 😕

It's an incredibly dumb TOS regardless of PC...
I mean PlayStation is being sold in probably most of those countries with an official distributor or otherwise.
You're telling me anyone who buys a PS5 in these countries and goes on PSN is breaking the terms?

I've been using an account outside my country for many years because it was created it before PSN was available domestically.
I'm sure millions of accounts are doing the same.
Time to reform this stupid clause.

Also let us migrate PSN accounts to different countries for christ sake.

Make it make sense, Sony.

I understand why they want people to get a PSN account. The console owners need to pay for online so it also makes sense that the PC owners pay up. But maybe they should have thought it through for once, and not threat is as a afterthought.

Playstation. For the players

Whoever is in charge of this at Sony is clearly woefully incompetent at their job. How can you make such a mess of this?

They need to work towards making PSN available in all regions of the world and any games released before that happens, should do so without requiring a PSN account for online play. It's that simple really.

The only acceptable exception to this would be crossplay.

@get2sammyb Or even better; stop trying to get more people on the PSN ecosystem and let them play the games. People keep saying making a "free" account is a nothing burger, but then lose their minds when it turns out it is not needed.

@Colt22 Are you a Sony employee? This is an objectively anti-consumer thing to do, why should anyone be riding Sony right now? It’s a faceless corporation, it doesn’t need you to defend it.

This is just so bizarre. Basically after saying they were backtracking on the hell divers fiasco (which they still haven't), they locked out the same 180 countries with a largely single player game.

Potentially hundreds of thousands of sales or more just to get them locked into some ps plus bs or is it that you plan to implement a ps plus requirement to play these games?
Newsflash Aholes, that just won't fly in the pc space...

It's clear the mismgmt of Sony's gaming division went well beyond OLD Jimbo.

@Colt22 overblown issue? I don't think you have the slightest idea of what you're talking about? Sony removing the game from 180 countries is an overlbown issue?

The downtrodden militants will say nay this can't be just! Review bomb everything they ever made! Take to the streets and burn thy consoles. Me, I shall continue to have a linked accounts just like EA, just like Ubisoft, Just like Rockstar. Sorry but I just don't see the issue.

Well it's Sony's choice. You may not like it but they get to pick and choose which markets they do business in so the PC Pirate Race aren't actually entitled to anything.

@Slippship did you even try to read the article?

@saffeqwe There are countries that are on the list with less then a million people who live there. Countries with a BBP of less then $4000 dollar. You are going to be mad with what i have to say but with countries like Angola on rhere the lisr isnt that shocking.

Who cares, playstation games have no business being on PC anyway, the only reason Xbox did it was because their platform was a flop and had to claw back some profits. I'm not bothered personally about PC gamers being able to play playstation games but they are a particular bunch and need to just be left in their own lane, Nintendo gets it so why doesn't anyone else.

This PC debacle has seriously been grinding my gears. I've been gaming on the Playstation since PS1 and have had an out of region PSN account since it became a requirement for fully utilizing the console with the PS3. Transitioned more towards PC when the PS5 released with not that much to justify its existence. Thousands of currency given to Sony over the years while in reality I was not even allowed to own the account. Why even sell Playstation hardware and games in regions where PSN isn't allowed? Why is the problem at hand about games on PC being locked out from unsupported regions but not about Sony not adding more supported regions to PSN? Why are those unsupported regions not blocked from accessing PSN while on Playstation hardware?

Clearly it can't be such a big problem if people have been able to use out of region accounts for nearly 20 years so why not just acknowledge that a person living in country A registering to country B with false credentials is not so much different as a person living in country C registering to country C with false credentials.

Even if local currency can come into play at some stage for managing store prices, several European Union countries which use EUR as a currency are also blocked from creating accounts...

Not saying that I'd take any drastic steps such as completely abandoning the Playstation platform for all of eternity but this crackdown is definitely making me more cautious about any future currency given to Sony until they actually permit my country to have an account.

@Flaming_Kaiser why are you telling me this?

Ugh, when companies try to force ecosystems and proprietary stuff unto consumers. I mean, didn't you already learn your lesson with the psvita memory? Didn't go that well now did it.

I think it's good that Sony is breaking into the pc market, but just have an optional log in for those who want trophies and be done with it.

I feel like the fallout TV series has explained it well, a bunch of incompetent management wants to run and destroy the world.

@DennisReynolds Actually I own PC, Xbox and Switch. In no way am I saying Sony is beyond criticism, but this site is infested with anti Sony nonsense. Taking down the game for sale in countries is messed up, but requiring an account in the EU and NA is not some insane, beyond the pale evil move.

@tameshiyaku You mean Amazon management?

@MrMagic Don't come in here making sense, you're supposed to be outraged!

@Colt22 as well, yes. The irony of that and the boys running on Amazon hasn't passed by me 😂

@saffeqwe yes, just waiting for the ranting.

Hope those PC Ports were worth it Sony 😅

@Slippship you make no sense at all.
Article: "Sony delisted 180 countries from steam because it's against TOS to make a psn account in these countries"
You: "I don't get why pc players can't make an account like I do with EA and bla bla bla. I don't see an issue".
It's sad that you can't understand some really basic things

@Colt22 I wouldn't say its anti-Sony more that Sony haven't really done much to warrant any praise.

@Jamesblob The people who live in those countries probably care?

@Colt22 He's mentally ill? Funny because he made one reasonable comment while you're the one taking up half the comment board.

Ever since we've heard rumors of Microsoft possibly bowing out of hardware it seems as if Sony is returning to their early-PS3 era arrogance. At this rate I expect PS6 to be full of previous bad ideas like games being locked to consoles (the original plan for PS4 and Xbone) and for Switch 2 to eat their lunch.

@Colt22 colt where did you go? I sent you the link that you said i was lying about and you got quiet on me. Thats not how you take ownership in being wrong. You know i was suppose to get it in my head and all that talk. Where you at now? I want to finish our chat.

@HonestHick You in no way proved me wrong. But okay. Sending me to a comment on a forum, as opposed to an article on PC gaming, does not prove me wrong.https://www.pcgamer.com/activision-is-making-more-money-on-pc-than-consoles-for-the-first-time-and-the-gap-is-widening/#:~:text=While%20Blizzard%20games%20are%20only%20making%20about%20half,split%3A%2059%25%20console%2C%2026%25%20PC%2C%20and%2015%25%20mobile.

@Colt22 it is the chart from Bobby Kotick that every video talking about COD coming to GP is using. That is what i said and the numbers add up. At the very least i am not a lair is my point. Also PC is eating into consoles software sales no matter how much certain gamers want to spin it. PC and mobile are now the cash cows over consoles. That isn’t good for me as i own all 3 consoles. But next gen i think i am going to PC and so i am following what is happening in that space more. It’s ok you go around and call people lairs and then insult the charts and links used that came from the CEO of the company. Makes sense in the world of video game banter. Oh i see today that Square is coming to PC now, wonder why?

@HonestHick Apologies if I'm missing something but the chart you linked appears to be daily/monthly active users and not sales. But the key thing really is it doesn't differentiate whether it's the paid for annual release, or the free to play warzone and appears to be anything Call of Duty all on one chart so it doesn't really give any indication on sales of the premium release, or any sort of figures on how much revenue is being made on each platform.

@Colt22 I comment on every article of the past 10 years? That's interesting considering this account was created only last year.

@HonestHick Well I actually played Cod and saw the people playing on platforms and most were on console. Mobile has been huge for years. Nobody said people are not playing on PC. If you think in todays age of people having no money, that insanely expensive PC's are going to be the future, you are nuts.

@Colt22 Game of the gen? Lol, Helldivers 2 is great but its not Baldur's Gate 3 and Elden Ring great.

I see your account was created just today. Interesting you spent it so far trolling, attacking others and lying.

@Kevw2006 Correct it is monthly active users. Which is what i am getting at that is the metric used these days from devs just as much as sales. Cause sales could mean yes they bought the game but maybe traded it in or aren’t playing it and buying MTX etc etc. i merely said COD is bigger on PC than console, not which COD cause that doesn’t matter and i got called a lair. I am not lying that a game is more popular on a platform that i watched videos saying it is.

@DennisReynolds I said one of the games of the generation, so good try. Outside of me saying that Cod is more popular on console and saying one person who called everyone racist over games being sold in different countries is in need of help, how am I attacking everyone?

@DennisReynolds I see your account was created just today. Interesting you spent it so far trolling, attacking others and lying.

You think so too. I got called a lair and i need to get it in my head. I’m like dude if i am lying then so is the 10 YouTube videos showing these metrics and having these conversations. I could care less where a game sells most at as i own everything but a PC and soon i might just go to PC, cause Sony and MS are giving me less and less reasons to believe they are running their platforms right for my gaming tastes. Keep your head up, you’re one of the better ones on here. I read your posts all the time 😊

@Colt22 which platform between PS5 and PC has the most HD2 players or am i lying? I won’t even need to send a link to this one.

@HonestHick PC, but its one platform. It's also not by much.

@Colt22 thats just the thing, you don’t need an insanely expensive PC and gamers are starting to figure that out. Are they more than a console, in most cases yes. But they do more and more people need a PC for other non gaming applications and so it’s worth a little extra to them. Throw in PC handhelds and we are seeing more and more head that way and the revenue is showing devs that.

@Colt22 i love PS and Xbox. I ain’t trolling i am trolling Sony for not knowing how to run their PC business but not PS consoles. I am saying there is money on the PC that Sony needs. They are running a 4% profit margin at the moment. Excluding players on the PC seems like something they might not be able to afford and yet here they are. Thats the reason i am on this thread.

@HonestHick Thanks dude you're also one of the better more reasonable people on here as well 😁

@Colt22 not saying you said Sony shouldn’t. But i think we all can agree this strategy they have is not the best. Until they go day and date on PC like HD2 we might not see much sales. Also single player games at $70 on PC are going to be a mixed bag. Again HD2 is a smallish to medium size success game if it were just PS5. Throw in the PC sales on top of PS5 sales and HD2 is leading the charts. See the difference? So it is a boon after all.

@HonestHick HD2 would have been huge just on PS5, but yes its bigger being on PC. It's smart to release all online games on both. I play on PC, not every Sony game is huge on PC. Returnal bombed. Returnal is awesome, but it failed on PC. Just because one game hits on PC, does not mean every game does.

@saffeqwe sorry kid, not bothered.

@Colt22 that doesn't help anyone in the nearly 180 countries that are being blocked from playing the game.

"I can't believe Microsoft is making all of these mistakes. They're upsetting the entire gaming community with these decisions."

Sony: "hold my beer."

@saffeqwe there are 180 regions, not countries than can't get psn, I think it's saying. So if you want to play a PlayStation studios game on a pc you need to have a psn account. Think that sounds right. Soooo, if your not in a region where you can have a psn account you can't buy a psn game. Am I there so far?

@TrickyDicky99 its not. I said it was more than the consoles combined. I think he took it as 2-1. I hope i didn’t say 2-1, the point was combined. It was late when i sent that. Hope i spoke that right, point still stands PC and Mobile are the large markets and console needs a big boost of new players to grow. Sorry for any confusion if i caused it.

@TrickyDicky99 charging PC players would kill their attempts to join that market. I feel yah though, them raising the price for PS Plus to $80 for the base tier was the final straw for me. Made me leave real quick.

English isn't even my first language, but damn. People saying effect/effected instead of affect/affected really grinds my gears.

@TrickyDicky99 and it is on Xbox which was my first topic about why we are hearing COD is rumored to not be on GP, tho it will be. I think thats where i crossed up my wording. Again the graph is there to show console is small, PC and Mobile is big and still growing. Consoles need to find growth.

@TrickyDicky99 their platform is shrinking either way. Still significantly more than xbox, but younger generations are foregoing consoles altogether. Then there are old farts like me who bailed on them because they are ripping us off. I would still support their game studios if they weren't being so anti-consumer

In one week I have whiplash. I can't decide which console I hate the least. First it was Sony going full PS3 launch. Then days later Xbox decided to eat its own tail and create uncertainty as to their platform's future. And just when it was clear that MS is now the bad one, Sony comes back, goes full circle, and doubles down on going full PS3 launch to the point that the Xbox starts looking good again, and now gets Squeenix games too. I have Nintendo selling me an excellent 6 hour Peach game for $60, I have Microsoft who talks in circles about if they're a platform maker or a 3rd party publisher, and Sony who can't actually figure out they don't own the PC platform.

Get Nolan Bushnell on the line. Tell him to bring his hero cape.

Maybe we can get some pro sportscasters in here? It's too much to keep track of, we need the play by plays. "Spencer's got ball with 2 minutes on the clock, and OOHH! He drops it! Spencer has dropped the ball! Hulst on the rebound, heading toward...wait...no...NO, he's missed, and tossed it into the stands. Don't worry, that spectator doesn't look fatally wounded! Now Booty's on the home stretch, wait I. DON'T. BELIEVE IT! Booty has just eaten the ball! History in the making here people! Now we have the referees out, the foul is on Booty, a new ball has been brought out. Totoki gets the coin toss, and there's no opposition now, the field is clear, and...wait...where's he going, that's...that's the opposing goal...and.....BZZZZZ A goal for Microsoft! Wow, what an exciting and unexpected game it was today folks, we now turn you over to a word from our sponsors: Asus.

Just what are they doing with this account data that they'd rather not sell the game at all than not collect the data they're mining? That's actually pretty terrifying.

Sony: We want to grow and increase our market potential!
Also Sony: We're not going to sell anywhere we weren't already selling before!

@nessisonett IDK that "racist" is quite it, other than hating people that aren't blue. There's two kinds of people in these parts. People that love PS more than life, and sinners.

@glennthefrog Yeah, my fear is that if Xbox eventually drops out, after the next hardware they're already planning, and I switch entirely to PS in advance I'll regret it because PS will get very very ugly with no competitor. But it seems like they're preemptively demonstrating why I shouldn't switch already. Of course if they try to force paid online just for Sony games on PC at some point the result will be hilarious. Also expect another PSN hack.

@NEStalgia I'm willing to put money down that the data is less important than shoehorning PC players into their network so they can eventually charge for their "services". Honestly, I've enjoyed all of their games, but I'm not going to continue to support them until they quit attempting to be overlords. They've been king of the hill within the confines of their own castle, but the big wide world isn't going to put up with all of their BS. They're experiencing a bit of a wake up call here

I really do not see an issue with Sony requiring PSN account to play Sony games multiplayer - for one it gives them the ability to ban toxic people online / cheats.

But, why do so many countries not have PSN account availability?

This seems the important part to me - surely they should have sorted this part first, or is it legal issues within all of these countries preventing Sony from setting up PSN account availability?

@saffeqwe Everyone is crying about so many countries without PSN where there are bigger issues at hand or where they cant even afford food. Lose thise and then come back to me about the big issue is think PSN is more available then Xbox.

@Flaming_Kaiser "where there are bigger issues at hand or where they cant even afford food"

Wait, I thought you were talking about the countries PSN wasn't available in?

Xbox consoles aren't sold in as many countries as PS and Nintendo consoles, but Microsoft Accounts are available in every country on earth due to Windows and Office, and are fine for PC games, so this is one problem they don't have. At least there's one....

@8bitOG I wouldn't doubt it at all. Though it'll never stick. It'll go down about as well as "five hundred ninety nine us dollars" did. There's a 0% chance PC gamers are paying a monthly fee to play one publishers games online. There's a 0% change PC gamers would pay Steam a monthly fee to play all games online. Their PC adventure would be over in a flash.

But yeah. Due to not trusting sony digital for exactly these reasons, I buy exclusives and VR on PS and all third party on XB. I've trusted their integrity of digital content.....but as of this year and their obvious Activision-ization and corporate takeover of Xbox, I've been doubtful of them as well. Still generally trusting though. IN the past week, I've been heavily debating just moving to PC or all PS....the back of my mind telling me all PS is a bad plan....and then Monday comes and Sony reminds me all PS is definitely a bad plan. So it's either stick with XB for third party and hope for the best, or shift to PC and laugh hysterically of PS wants me to still pay for PSN on PC

@Flaming_Kaiser why are you typing here when people are dying from hunger? tf is this argument?

Yep, about what I expected. Figured they would calibrate their sales range.

So dumb. Sell the game to a brand new audience? Expand their franchises to regions that cant buy a ps5? No thanks we will block people from buying the game for no reason.

@TrickyDicky99 drop the requirement for console players . it’s time . no more paying to use our own internet anymore. there’s no reason i need to pay to connect to a game developers server that sony has nothing to do with. it should be devs charging if anything, not sony .

@NEStalgia If that's the truth why isn't Gamepass available everywhere?

@get2sammyb I was really surprised when I spotted IoM and the Channel Islands on the banned list! Surely to buggary they should be considered part of the UK, for these purposes at least?

Granted, Jersey is closer to France than mainland Britain, but IoM is literally slap bang between England and Northern Ireland. You cannot draw a straight line from Manchester to Belfast without going straight through it!

@Flaming_Kaiser Good question. No idea. I'd have to think publisher licensing is part of it, the licensing needs to be worked out per country or region, different locales get different libraries, like Japan has a VERY different GP, etc. Maybe also currencies and whether or not it actually works out or is even marketable. Probably legal terms in different places. Kind of like how they did family subs in some countries but not the US of all places. A mix of business, legal, and expected sales reasons.