All anyone's really talking about when it comes to PS5 Pro is the mid-gen console's price point, and it's easy to understand why. Even for gaming enthusiasts, an MSRP of $699.99/£699.99 is a hard pill to swallow, regardless of how much more powerful the machine purportedly is than the regular PS5. While there will be various reasons why the price is what it is, one analyst has suggested a lack of competition is very likely one of them.
Piers Harding-Rolls, a games industry analyst for Ampere, says the pricing strategy for PS5 Pro aligns with Sony's desire to "protect its margin", simply meaning it doesn't want to sell the console at a loss. He also cites "supply chain inflation" and "a lack of direct competitor to its mid-cycle upgrade compared to last generation" as further reasons for the $700 cost.
Harding-Rolls is of course referring to the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X — competing mid-gen consoles boasting enhanced capabilities over the standard versions. At the time, the PS4 Slim retailed for $299 while the PS4 Pro was $399, "a 33% differential". Compare that to PS5 and PS5 Pro, where there's a larger "40-50% differential" — and no direct competition from Xbox.
"The lack of competition means it is an easier decision for Sony to run with a higher price point to protect its existing margins," Harding-Rolls says. "For most prospective PS5 consumers, the standard edition will represent the value sweet spot."
Ampere forecasts PS5 Pro will sell 1.3 million units "in the 2024 launch window", compared to the 1.7 million managed by PS4 Pro. "We expect the price point to soften demand with some consumers, but for PlayStation enthusiasts the pricing is less of a consideration," Harding-Rolls predicts. He goes on to forecast 13 million unit sales for PS5 Pro by 2029, representing roughly 12% of all PS5 sales (assuming it'll achieve a similar dynamic as PS4 and PS4 Pro).
[source ampereanalysis.com, via ign.com]
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The reason this is £700 is because people will pay it. If they wouldn’t, it would either be marginally cheaper or it just wouldn’t exist.
Hopefully Xbox pro (or whatever) gets announced cheaper so Sony drop their price 😅
You all wanted Xbox gone.
Enjoy the "benefits"!
Without the Xbox 360, it’s worrying to think how Sony might not have listened to criticism and we wouldn’t have ended up with the late PS3 into PS4 era.
It's great that Sony are using their market dominance over Microsoft in the UK to punish consumers on price.
This is what happens when you have cornered the market with little competition around.
Shall we blame Xbox for putting their games on PS5 and almost leaving the console market, especially in Europe.
Only joking I am 🤣
This means PS6 will be between $800-1000 bucks....
So by 2029 they would make over £9 Billion just on Pro sales if he's correct.
@GamingFan4Lyf Yeah, fanboys who want to see Xbox fail don't realize that they won't benefit from it if Sony has no competition
I've been saying for literally years that those wanting Xbox to fail will create a Sony monopoly that will be truly bad for us gamers. With Xbox out of the console market (which is a distinct possibility in the not too distant future) you can be absolutely certain that the PS5 Pro will be considered cheap by the standards of what Sony will be offering us in the future.
The same will apply to games, because once Xbox is fully third-party, Sony will have free reign to up the prices of games, so it is entirely possible that during the course of the next generation that games will hit £100 a pop, I say that because with each generation we see games increase by £10, sometimes more, so you just know that Sony will push up the prices of games too.
People need to remember that Sony is not your friend. They just see your wallets and attempt to empty them. Love 'em or hate 'em, Microsoft help keep prices lower. No competition means only one market force is dictating pricing, and with Sony, we know they will take every penny they can...
@GamingFan4Lyf so true, no competition means there’s gonna be a monopoly. Scary.
Of course it is. I could have told this "analyst" that months before the Pro was announced.
When Xbox shot itself in both feet, I knew I couldn't stick with Xbox as primary, it was too uncertain. Debated going to PS as primary, planned on it, and then realized just how bad Sony was going to get if Xbox really sabotages themselves and didn't want my library to be trapped with their rising extortion, where the only thing worse than being an Xbox owner is being a Playstation owner. That pushed me to PC as the only real option.
In hindsight, I should have just waited for Sony's turn to sabotage themselves, and make Xbox great again.
If a few million more people bought Concord, then we'd have gotten the vertical stand thrown in for free.
I reckon part of Sony's thinking is that people were paying over £1000, on eBay, for a PS5 at launch, @thefourfoldroot1, so they believe that there are many that will happily pay £700-£820 for a Pro...
This is why I'm glad I moved to PC being my primary gaming platform, with my Switch and PS5 mainly for exclusives. I've been building my Steam library for years.
Praise be to Gaben.
@thefourfoldroot1 Too true.
eg: Most people are happy to listen to spotify on their phone with their earbuds or headset or whatever.
A year or two back Sony released a range of high quality MP3 players. They put "Walkman" on the back and charged €400.00 for the cheapest version.
It sold. The audio quality was crazy good so the audiophiles flocked to it.
The fact that the detachable disc drive for PS5 Slim has been selling like hotcakes since last night suggests the same will happen here. The enthusiasts want the best stuff.
@thefourfoldroot1 Of course people will pay it, you have people paying over £1000 for mobile phones that get new versions every 12 months, paying £600-£700 on a console that will last 7 years before a new one comes out is nothing to them. Even for those that cant afford it upfront there's more options to pay than there's ever been with Clearpay, Klarna, PayPal and various Catalogs, you can even add a PS5 to your phone Contract. If people want something then they're going to get it, even if isnt really needed like the PRO.
They also had the audacity to only show older games for their Pro showcase.
THEY KNOW THEIR GAMES DON'T ACTUALLY JUSTIFY A PRO CONSOLE.
This is absolute madness. Their showcase was full of TLOU2 gameplay, because that's their most advanced game imo.
So why would a PS5 Pro be necessary if a BASE PS4 can handle their best game...?
I am so baffled by all of this, it's pure and utter insanity. Sony's gone full clown. 🤡
And it’s only going to get much worse next generation if Microsoft keeps fumbling their way out of the console market, I’ve been saying it for years now, the best years we got from PlayStation were when there was fierce competition with Xbox during the PS3 generation, it’s impossible to not see how complacent Sony has become since that time.
How much would a PC with these specs and capabilities cost?
@Fiendish-Beaver ye Sony was the first to up the price from 60 to 70 even Nintendo and Xbox said they wernt going to especially with cost of living crisis at the time. Hate to think what theyll do if Xbox doesn't make a come back 😖
@mariomaster96 I mean, it is partly Microsoft's fault by not delivering games that resonated with people as well as giving the advertising department a shoe-string budget to work with.
Sony also did a great job making PlayStation synonymous with gaming.
But the thing is, apparently people ARE interested in Microsoft games as the second Microsoft started announcing PS5 games, there were articles and comments everywhere with port requests left and right!
The idea of buying the console for the games they asked for was out of the question despite those people telling Xbox fans to buy a PlayStation if they want to play Sony games
So, here we are.
Interesting how Digital Foundry now all is revealed still believe GTA 6 will be 30fps on PS5 Pro barring something hidden in the console we don’t know about.
People are taking this whole thing weirdly personally. It's a niche console that isn't priced for the mass-market. No one is being required or forced to upgrade.
Definitely need competition, it'll only get worse otherwise.Xbox has great games as well, used to own a 360/Kinect bundle, used to play Gears and Halo, JSRF, came bundled with Peggle 2. Still have it for Lost Odyssey and other games.
@Fiendish-Beaver Nah, Xbox will be fine. Sony just gave them a lifeline. On their own they would have imploded, but Sony just did the Matrick Maneuver and imploded all good will all at once. With them locked into the Pro, and Xbox likely poised (or willing to accelerate now that they know this) to put out neXtBox in maybe 2 years, Xbox either starts the next gen with way more power than the 5Pro with a 1-2 year lead over Playstation, or they force Sony to start the next gen in 2 years meaning they abandon their $700 router like it's the Sega 32X. Either way, Sony got way too ambitious, Matrick-scale, and jumped before the competition was actually out, and opened up a giant problem. If they abandon the Pro in 2 years they'll never support a Pro in the market again, between PSVR2, Vita, and a 2 year Pro, they'd lose consumer trust the way Sega did, and if they don't, they hand Xbox a huge lead next gen and/or migrate people to PC storefronts. thus backdoor harming Sony.
I think we may have to rename it the Matrick-Ryan Maneuver.
I really wonder how long console gamers will tolerate PC pricing for their gaming while eating all the flaws of a locked ecosystem. The argument has always been "but PC is so expensive", and while nvidia has high end GPU buyers over a barrel even worse than Sony, in the midrange, which is where the consoles compete.... We can assume PS6 will be even more expensive, if they don't learn a harsh lesson on this price, and PC parts aren't really going to get much more expensive, as the main components are commodity pricing with 5+way competition, only GPUs carry special premiums and AMD's committing to fierce value competition trying to go from 10% to 40-50% marketshare aggressively to get devs back into optimizing AMD. I'm buying Nvidia this round, but next round maybe I'd go back to AMD, might find a heck of a bargain with them over the next few years.
Right now Sony is drinking from the Apple and Nvidia troughs. But they're not Apple and Nvidia. And now Asus has their hand in the packaged gaming box pool. Lenovo too. MSI, well, they had a go at it. Competition for "game machine in a box" is ramping up. Heck, Ally X is $100 more. Legion is $100 less. Comes with the Portal built in. And it can stream Plus Premium unlike Portal.
Sony had this sort of arrogance back in the PS3 era after the XBoxOne fiasco. Adjusted for inflation the PS3 at launch was actually more expensive than the PS5 Pro. And that was back in 2006 ffs.
@IOI
You are spot on there with what you say.
The PS4 would not have been the amazing console and games and the back end of the PS3, if it had not been for the xbox360.
My gripe is Sony could have gone with 1tb at £600 in the UK, and let us make the memory upgrade if required. Just like they did with disc add on.
@GamingFan4Lyf exactly this! Competition is always a good thing.
@OldGamer999 "Digital foundry believes 30fps GTA6"
ROFL. The joke keeps growing.
@NEStalgia
Yeah I wish Xbox had kept their games of PlayStation and taken a strategic head on battle now Xbox have enough studios to do so.
@NEStalgia I think Xbox's next move will be to put Halo/Gears/Forza (leaning towards FH5) in the Switch 2 reveal to kickstart the next batch of multiplatform ports.
@NEStalgia
You think it will be GTA6 60fps on PS5 Pro?
@Jamesblob It's insane how people are melting down about an optional system "Locked into the Pro" one said. How?! 😂
Yes that's one of the reasons... the other was people paying prices like that to scalpers when ps5 came out so Sony is saying they prefer people to pay them than scalpers
Xbox is to blame for Sony overpricing the PS5 Pro? 🤣🤣🤣
@NEStalgia @OldGamer999 I think that's the based on the fact that historically GTA games tend to be CPU-bound and not GPU bound (and the Pro is a GPU boost, not CPU).
@ButterySmooth30FPS The fear is that Sony will keep this up during next generation as well. If there is no one to compete with them, they will ask for the largest sum that they can get away with. It has happened before.
They don't need competition, but we do.
@OldGamer999 No, it will almost certainly be 30fps. That type of game is incredibly cpu intensive with everything going on in the cities they create. The only advantages the pro will offer on GTA are improved resolution and rendering.
Xbox of all people hasn't even released a Series X Pro because they know they'd still have to cater for Series S. It's all a bit pointless with these midgen upgrades.
@Decimateh-xblz
No Sony wasnt first to raise price. Microsoft said they wouldnt do it but easy to say when you dont release any games. When Microsoft started to release games they raised price quicker then ever.
Definitely the worst console gen, so far.
I wish Xbox had made a 360 styled comeback this gen. We need that competition...
@KoopaTheGamer But the Pro isn't mass-market like PS6 will be. Different sales models. It's an optional upgrade.
What are they talking about? There is a 600$ special edition series x coming out soon which doesn’t add more transistors to the SOC for processing power. The PS5 Pro is in line with present manufacturing costs i reckon. Let us not forgot how the cough era delayed production of semiconductors which are almost all made in China and Taiwan, all while demand increased. Also let us look at the competition. The switch is still priced a certain way as are the Xbox consoles. If Sony made the pro too cheap then they would not re-coup on this new production line and new SOC R/D plus procurement.
People complain that Sony is in wrong for 699$ but Microsoft release a 2tb series x for 599$. People expect a better console to be same price as that or lower is insane.
The best message to send to Sony is 'No Sale'.
PSVR2 & PS5 Pro will sell very low numbers due to corporate greed.
Higher game prices will also lead to much lower sales than the past.
Yeah, if you want a PS5 just get the slim, either digital or with the optical drive. Earlier this year I traded in my PS4 and got a PS5 with the optical drive for about $300 in cash. No complaints.
Xbox has released their last console, outside of Series X/S revisions we aren't going to see a "next-gen Xbox" or anything like that. If the PS5 Pro included a disc drive and a stand for $700, I wouldn't be angry at all. But removing those things, selling them for extra, and THEN selling the Pro for $700 is a dick move, and I hope it sells worse than that Rob & Fab CD those guys made after they got kicked out of Milli Vanilli or whatever.
This is the primary reason. Just look at the price of the ps5 pro in Japan and Europe, exactly where ps5 is much stronger than xbox
Didn't we just get a $600 xbox series x 🤔
Analysts saying this is for “enthusiasts” make it seem like all those have £800 to drop on a small hardware update.
I’m an enthusiast but I won’t buy it as I don’t see the value in it.
This is more for wealthy people and not all enthusiasts are wealthy or wealthy people enthusiasts.
I have to laugh at the responses here. People purposely ignoring the fact Sony don't want to sell yet another sku at a loss, an OPTIONAL one at that, and also choosing to completely ignore what all of the experts are saying about the cost of components and manufacturing right now, and not just in gaming but in every industry. Instead, this is what happens when Sony have no competition.
Edited - For idiot reasons.
@Intr1n5ic Are you talking about the Series X Galaxy Edition?
It still has a disc drive.
So, you are basically getting an extra 1 TB and saving $50 vs getting the 1TB Expansion Card ($149) - which is overpriced to begin with!
The All-digital 1TB is $449. There is no 2TB All-digital.
@GamingFan4Lyf You're right. For some reason I thought the 2tb was digital as well. I'll just grab my coat and edit my comment on the way out 🙈
@NeonMullet I agree on everything else except the Xbox controller. I love that controller! Ok I love the Elite 2. But the low tension sticks are my preference, I despise the high tension sticks on the DS5, and waited for them to sell low tension ones for the edge (that should have been adjustable out of the box) and when I bought a nice 3rd party controller for PC, dialed the tension WAY back. The tension on the DS gives me wrist strain after a long play session, where the tension on the Xb sticks does not. VRSense is fine, as are quest touch controllers.
BTW, I realize now why Sony (and a lot of PCVR sets) have big rings on the controllers, and it's actually not a bad thing. I lose tracking somewhat often on Quest 3 if my hand is obscuring the top of the controller where the IR ring is. I fall off a lot of ledges in AC Nexus because of that. The rings take the IR ring away from your hand so you can't block it, there actually is a good reason for it. Pimax controllers also have rings, though more like Quest 2's.
@Grumblevolcano Honestly with MS who knows. They may. But I also think they release their semi-PC next hardware 2026 at the latest. With PS boxed into 5 Pro now, MS has an opportunity to release a $850 monster machine and not actually look like the bad guys, and make PS5 Pro look bad, and simultaneously ween people over to PC storefronts.
The rising prices have a horrible effect of making consoles ever more niche for an ever more core that competes ever more directly with high end PC, while the masses move steady onward to handhelds and mobiles and laptops. They think they're clever, but then can't figure out why software doesn't sell anymore. Because selling to a smaller pool of customers at higher premiums couldn't possibly affect software sales.
@Starkei Back of napkin here, if you want to build super budget:
Am4 platform
$150-200 CPU
$150 SSD
$100 chassis
$75-100 PSU (with a 10 year warranty!)
$100-150 mobo
$70 RAM
$50 cooler
$GPU
So you're at 695 for a budget spec PC that still has a better CPU (by a lot) before you add the GPU. That's tricky because Pro seems to be half-way between 4060 and 4090, but is AMD. So you can add $300 and get slightly worse, or add $500 and get noticeably better. But also remember on PC you have control over details of graphics settings so if you want to turn down the particle effects and reflections and the like and keep your res and fps, you can get more out of a card than "the developer decided this is the way you'll play it" on a console.
Similarly, you can just buy packaged gaming laptops that have 4070 equivalent, and on sales it might even be cheaper if slightly worse performance under load.
Microsoft wouldn't be seen as lesser if they actually seemed like they were trying.
The whole situation with Redfall, the worsening of the Halo IP and the shuttering of Tango Gameworks after saying they really needed games like Hi-Fi Rush.
I mean what are they actually doing? Tango is owned by Krafton now, but that's still not a good look on Xbox's part. Feels like Xbox has been floundering around since the Xbox one release nearly a decade ago now. Their showcase was promising, but I sure hope that many of those games turn out excellent so it kicks Sony into high gear again because we have seen what happens when Sony gets arrogant and cocky.
Whether you like Xbox or not, competition is always good and does nothing but benefit us, the consumer.
@CrashBandicoat Yep, exactly. I debated giving console "one more chance" but I realized that the sooner I move my library to PC the better off I'll be in the long run before getting deeper and deeper into dependence on one brand.
Cool and all, but you see, smartphone market has more than two competitors, prices are still hiking to the point most flagship models are around the $800 USD ballpark.
Its not the lack of competition, its the damn inflation making prices go up.
Sony has tons of competition, to be fair. They have PC, Nintendo, and all other forms of entertainment media to fight against. They still have lots of work to do.
Xbox Series XX 599$
@NEStalgia And an operating system, keyboard and mouse, and likely a controller as well unless you have one sitting around. What cooling solution are you using in a 40 series rig for only $50?
Either way, you're comparing a $995/1195 setup (more with the things I mentioned) to a $699 system without any of the added headaches that come with PC.
I figure when it is available in Canada it will sell for at least $950, adjusted for the exchange rate, but sometimes they add more so the ps5 pro could easily launch for $1000 - $1100 in Canada.
@get2sammyb Well, Nintendo does their own thing. Nintendo is their own sort of bubble, they have a long history and very dedicated fans. Xbox/PlayStation consoles are usually way more closer to one another comparatively to a Nintendo console. See the PS3/360 vs the Wii and the PS4/Xbox One vs the Wii U.
If you want the fancier resolutions, framerate and all that.
Your options are between PC, PlayStation and Xbox.
The allure of a console is the cheaper price and the pick up and play aspect to it. Surely, consoles can't keep becoming more and more expensive right? Excluding Nintendo, since their consoles are usually cheaper due to not going in as hard on the hardware.
Many people are complaining about the price, but remember, you don’t have to buy this model. The cheaper slim is available. This is in no way comparable to the PS3 situation where that was the only price available (in UK at least, £425, roughly 700 in today’s money)
Same way as you don’t have to buy a 4090; 4060, 4070 etc are available also.
I won’t buy the pro because for me it is too expensive for what it is, especially with the limited control you have over it. Happy with the normal PS5 for PlayStation games.
I did get a 4090 though…..
A big part of it surely has to be Sony seeing scalpers making bank on the consoles early this generation and wanting a piece of that sweet sweet whale pie.
"Lack of competition." What a bunch of clowns. Microsoft has a $600 2TB Xbox Series X. How is the 2TB PS5 Pro also supposed to be $600 with far better specs?
$700 for a 2tb PS5 Pro!!!? This is the worst value for money console since…erm…since the 2tb Series X at $600 with no upgrades.
Seriously, couldn’t believe that, but the reaction to this is ridiculous. Everything is more expensive to make, thus more expensive to buy. Everything!
I’ll not be getting it that’s for sure, but that’s because few games will make enough use of it before PS6
@rjc-32 "I won’t buy the pro because for me it is too expensive for what it is, especially with the limited control you have over it. Happy with the normal PS5 for PlayStation games.
I did get a 4090 though….."
Yeah, that kind of hits the nail on the head for all the "this is luxury" people. And is ironic because both are outrageously overpriced products, and the 4090 is more than double the price just for the GPU. But the 4090 at over double the price still represents more value. And will last into the PS6 era just fine (if it doesn't fail first.)
@Intr1n5ic Everyone on this site already has a controller or 10 sitting around, and I can't really imagine a world where a keyboard and mouse is not sitting around either, but, sure, you at least need cheap $10 ones for setup.
The chassis should come with fans (they don't all, but many do, and I'm assuming we're talking about a decent, cheap, mesh case with some fans for airflow, it'll do fine. The NV40's below 4080 don't really get all that hot. NV30? Yeah they were furnaces, but the NV40 family is pretty efficient. For cooler I was just referencing CPU cooler. $50 is probably over-quoted for a decent tower air cooler, if going liquid you still don't have to break the bank, $60 for a 240 Coolermaster is more than enough for an AM4 build.
But, yes, I'm aware I'm quoting above the 699 price = at initial cost. But then add in $80/yr or more for online sub for the next 4 years, add in higher game prices, Not having to deal with "will bc work or not work, will my old games upgrade without paying to "unlock" performance patches on my next hardware purchase (spoiler: you will) etc? That "699" starts getting a lot closer to, or exceeds that $1200, you're just deferring payment in installments but also locking yourself out of options down the line.
Obviously there's the convenience vs hassle of PC of course. I'm fully aware that's not going to be for everyone. But from a cost analysis perspective alone, for enthusiasts of which most here are, that's why the price is terrible.
This will sound strange but I actually didn’t think Japanese corporation would be this greedy. I thought it was mainly US corporations that put profits above all and Japanese corporations care more for their people including employees and customers (Hence why Shigeru Miyamoto isn’t paid $20+ million a year like US executives). I guess I’m wrong.
@Don
Are you still under the impression PlayStation is run by the Japanese? That hasn’t been the case for around 8 years - look at their gaming output and attitude to the Japan market.
I’ve read even on here so many comments about how people want Xbox to die effectively. Well this is what happens… YOU end up paying for it.
If this PS5 Pro by some miracle does sell well, then you can fully expect the PS6 to cost similar money. Because Xbox still won’t be a threat. Don’t forget your £70 games either, and if PS6 is all digital you’ll have to pay that a lot more at launch.
I’m looking forward to the Switch 2 being revealed, if it can run the same third party games and gets support, I think it will be competition for Sony this time.
@Don PlayStation is effectively an American company, Sony closed practically all their PS offices globally, laid off hundreds of staff and moved the entire lot to California. Where I imagine they hired many Americans to fill the positions of those who didn’t want to relocate.
Having said that didn’t Sony recently appoint two Japanese fellows to be in charge of PlayStation?
@NEStalgia
Why add in 80$ for online when more then half dont use it?
People like you and others think all play online but thats not it.
@NEStalgia Exactly, I can do so much more on PC with a 4090 than I would be able to do with the “walled garden” PS5 Pro. VR, mods, 120Hz on almost any game… With the Pro I am limited to Sony’s orchestration.
I’d wager that the Pro is one of the reasons they went with a detachable disc drive, so they could sell the machine without it. You can bet on that being the norm from PS6 onwards too.
Game Pass was the reason why we got the PS Plus Collection. The PS5 is my first PlayStation, so I‘ve benefited a lot. Thank you, Microsoft!
Yeah, Sony needs a tough competition...SEGA better hurry up with that Dreamcast 2.
For a company so ahead of the ‘competition’ they do seem rather obsessed with blaming Xbox for everything.
@anon_pel222 I personally doubt that. I think at maximum the price will be 700 or lower, especially since as time goes on, certain materials used to make the console might get cheaper.
Plus, this is an optional upgrade meant mainly for the diehard PS players.
The Pro is too much money for sure, but at least it's not MANDATORY.
I can't see the PS5 Pro selling that many units by that time unless the cost of the PS6 is ridiculous or it doesn't release until around 2029.
So, hubris, plainly. The next Switch is going to put the diminishing returns of graphical fidelity in really harsh light, and Sony is making the most predictable moves right now. It's not going to go well for Sony.
Blame microsoft for choosing not to do a mid gen xbox.
Sony knows people will pay that, GTA 6 comes next year and the best place to play it at launch will be on the Pro.
I ain't spending £800+ for a Pro, drive and stand, so it's a hard pass for me at launch.
May look again next year IF there's price reductions
@ShonenJump121 "Well, Nintendo does their own thing. Nintendo is their own sort of bubble"
The Switch has sold 143 million units, I wouldn't call that a bubble. Also, many games release on Sony and Nintendo systems and they sell more on Switch.
@XenonKnight Ikr, as if its Sony's fault they dont have a competitor for the PS5 Pro.
Also have to agree with many posters before, people ignoring allllll the other reasons given and only focusing on the lack of competition factor.
@Sherlock- You know what I mean their audience is not the same. The same people who buy CoD and Fifa every year are not buying a Switch.
Games selling better on Switch is because the user base is that much larger for one and they've carved out something unique that you can't get anywhere else with a console with the whole handheld hybrid thing. They have their own market and always have. Same way the Wii outsold everyone else while people were arguing between the 360 and PS3.
@LogicStrikesAgain The reason xbox didn't is because they are going to try to put out a new xbox in 2026(zen6 and rdna 5).
I won't discount Nintendo, is what i'll say.
This move literally throws people in the way of the switch 2. As the graphical difference becomes less noticeable, average joe won't be able to distinguish it and porting will be more realistic.
@Fiendish-Beaver @OldGamer999 @__jamiie @get2sammyb @GamingFan4Lyf @NEStalgia @Intr1n5ic
Video games analyst, and journalism is whats wrong here. Sony is never the bad guy for setting their price and profit margins. It’s MS fault? PS3 was $600 in a time when that was a lot. Now they are $700 on Pro and it’s MS fault? When we should be writing negativity about Sony and it’s pricing structure and praising MS for having 2 price points that are both fair for what you get. But Nope MS’s fault. Gamers say Xbox should leave the market, to get THIS? Careful what you wish for has been my motto on here countless time. Support as many platforms as you can not wish them to not exist cause of the logo on the box is what we should be passing on to the younger kids. Play everything. Don’t limit yourself if money and time allows. Passing the blame is weak. For the record i only tagged all of you cause of my respect level for your knowledge, commitment, and passion for the industry. It’s our job to stop the misleading and misinformation to make sure the industry is healthy for when we are old or gone so we have friendly healthy competition in the console space for future generation players. This should be tagged and labeled as wrong and accountability on Sony and if this is the right console for you, not blaming the competition. They make their own mistakes to write about. This one isn’t there’s and all of you know it and we need to make sure Sony and their players know that. I will be owning a PS5 Pro and Series X cause i support the industry and not allow articles to pass the blame and i will comment on all these types of posts until i am blue in the face. I ask for support!
@XenonKnight Do you think both of those technologies will be ready for a console by that time?
@HonestHick Wait, are you saying people are blaming Xbox for Sony pricing the PS5 Pro the way it did?
"Support as many platforms as you can not wish them to not exist cause of the logo on the box is what we should be passing on to the younger kids."
@HonestHick I'd say we should pass on, let the most creative company succeed in a creative industry. Not the company who isnt creative, but rich
Sony fan bois: Xbox sux, good riddance.
Also Sony fan bois: Why is Sony charge an arm and a leg?
Analysts: Because they can.
@LogicStrikesAgain Agreed! Very good point.
I would also say memory don’t favor what a copy cat league this industry is and can be. Sometimes being rich don’t create,
Achievements
Cross game chat
Built in hard drives
Ethernet port on consoles
Etc etc , sometimes not being the “most” creative all the time and in certain ways that others don’t deem valuable. I would say support the ones that do what makes the experience most fun for you. Cause at the end of the day everyone’s work contributes to the overall industry in same way. 😀
@tselliot
Actually, analysts are saying the reasons are because of rising component prices and inflation. Lack of competition is only one of many factors
@HonestHick Fair points!
I'd say let the games do the talking.
@LogicStrikesAgain The games will always do the talking. Sony has shown to be great at certain genres. MS has shown to be great at certain genres.Neither the same. Thats why i say it don’t hurt to support more than one platform. Sony has shown with Concord and others they don’t have the talent nor the infrastructure to host a great multiplayer structure. Xbox has given me little reason to believe they could make an action adventure game with the story and detail Sony’s single player games have been praised for. I understand some can’t own both nor want too and thats where the beauty of choice comes in. But talking trash against the other and wanting them to fail is where i come in. Thats dumb and lazy.
Sony going full Apple by not including the stand.
Either that or they're trying to recoup the loss from Concord. lol
So...this is all Phil Spencer's fault?
I knew it!
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@darylb24 Yes the PS5 Pro is expensive, but this "punishing the UK" theory really needs to die as it's based off bad maths and the lack of understanding that US prices don't include tax whereas UK does.
E.g. The PS5 Pro is $700 in the US (without tax) and in the UK is is around $760 (without tax) that is within usual bounds of regional pricing variations and not some mad UK rip-off conspiracy.
There are many other countries that DO have truly awful conversion rates but the UK isn't one of them.
I agree Sony shouldn't sell this Pro unit at a loss. The vast majority of people buying one will be upgrading from a standard PS5 and will have already been subsidised once, it isn't sensible business to do this twice. But the larger price delta does make the PS5 Pro look even less appealing.
@WanderingBullet Sony are likely selling the stand separately because, like the disc drive, this is an already purchasable product. But it does seem mean spirited not to bundle it.
Well, when MS release a 2Tb Series X for $600, or course Sony feel they can price a more powerful console at $700.
And they can honestly, this is a premium model for people who want the best (I won’t be getting one), this is not a loss leading kind of product. Those interested in this mostly already have a PS5 and are just upgrading.
@NEStalgia Multiplatform does seem to be the more immediate thing, I mean look at the Gamescom saga. They chose to make Indiana Jones on PS5 be the "one more thing" announcement and then warn people that change is coming.
To me that sounds like a future where you can play PS exclusives on Xbox because Xbox hardware has become Xbox branded PCs (and hence has stores like Steam) meanwhile Xbox has an aggressive PS/Nintendo porting strategy.
The Nintendo side of things is the big unknown. I don't see Nintendo porting to other systems unless Switch 2 went the way of Wii U. Also it's hard to tell whether Sony seeing Lego Horizon Adventures on Switch (a decision seemingly forced by Lego) being a success would tempt an aggressive porting PS exclusives to Switch 2 strategy.
@themightyant Would be funny if stands are sold out because of scalpers.
@Neverwild they had a couple before they put em up though although they did flop😅 but still abit after sony they put em up though and Nintendo didn't either so they were 1st out of them 3 might not have been 1st completely tbh but they were deffo second think was between them n someone like ea not sure was abit back? Same with the console price increase too Sony put em up ages before Nintendo or Xbox
@Grumblevolcano Yeah, I largely agree. That at least seems to be the direction MS has suggested quite a few times, and isn't that bad a concept in theory. I'm not sure where Sony's plans sit. Totoki has been very pointed about being aggressive with PC ports so that SEEMS to be their path but I think they'll be inconsistent there. Maybe the success of Pro will influence that. They'll hype sales at launch of course which will look good on paper but if it tanks hard after the early adoptiers they may focus more on the porting strategy.
Nintendo, yeah, right now they don't have a reason to port. They spend peanuts on games and they sell like crazy. But Switch 2 isn't Switch 1, we'll see. These companies seem to all forget that despite the price of tech or not, the low price points is what brought them widespread success and continuously raising price points isn't going to duplicate that success. Boardrooms think in "market rates", consumers think in dollars. Unless incomes universally rise 30-40% since 2020, which isn't happening, $300 is still $300 if not $370, not "$220 because inflation", but the boardroom guys making 6-7 figures don't comprehend that. And then they can't understand dropping sales.
@themightyant pre US tax the UK equivalent cost is around $915. Let's say we knock off an additional $55 on tax there is still an $100 gap on that $760 cost you quoted. They only keep prices competitive in the US because it's the only region where Xbox competes with Sony.
@darylb24 Sony doesn't set local taxes, they have priced it (excluding tax) $60 more in the UK than the USA, only around 8.5% more. That is not an unusual regional variation for any product, it isn't some grand conspiracy. If you have an issue with the 20% VAT take it up with local government, that isn't on Sony.
Nadella's words echoes today when he said months ago "Let us have competition". While everyone wanted Xbox to fail. Now enjoy the poison you brewed.
@NeonMullet Yeah I greatly prefer low tension, and despise high tension. Of course every pro controller out there lets you adjust your tension except for Sony's ridiculous edge(which I have).
For rings I think quest 2 had it right with the small ring up top. It's what pimax and HTC do for there 6dof tracking. Most others use lighthouse so different thing entirely.
IDK what to make of that wireless psvr2 image. Considering how bad it sold, they fired all the devs making games for it, ignored it, brought it to PC, and put it on fire sale I can not imagine them making a new one. Let alone with pancake lens, and wireless. Wireless requires an os on device and a xr2 chip or Sony custom equivalent. I just can't see them doing all that and batteries and not coming in with an offensive price even though the old model didn't sell at its original price at all. I can't say no but I just don't see how they could really do it.
Btw if you haven't tried Dungeons of Eternity yet on quest you should. It's really good, batter as a "game" than Legendary Tales imo even if LT has better combat it's an incomplete game the devs charge way too much for and than washed their hands of it because they didn't make their money back and lost their investors.
@NeonMullet LOL, Sony would never enable that... Ever. They're not invested in VR, but they're petty and controlling. And Meta wouldn't really love it either. They want you buying games on the Meta store, just like Sony wants you buying games on PSN. I'm kind of surprised Meta plays so friendly with PC because it doesn't really benefit them. It used to, they used to have a PC store, but they only half do now with mostly older games like Asgards Wrath 1.
Yeah I'm trying to do more of the "active" games that I have to move around a lot with Quest, and seated games for PC/PS. That's a frantic game, really cool though.
I think VR "for the masses" is 100% in on stand-alone units, and that's the full direction of the market. Sony blundered console VR, and the market didn't really seem that interested unless its very cheap, anyway. PSVR will never work on the masses, but it's also where the coolest stuff is. Maybe Sony can fix their own damage but I would be so shocked (and confused) if they released a new headset at this point.
I think Meta kinda crushed Nintendo's place int he VR world. Of course Nintendo would have their IP which could push it, but otherwise they'd not offer as much as Meta for similar money. For now anyway.
I'll get back to you in a few months on how friction heavy PCVR is. The one big advantage is getting non-VR games to run in VR. That's HUUUUGE to take big AAA titles and get VR from them. But that's also a huge friction point. We'll see how bad true VR games are to get going in SteamVR though. I haven't tried it yet. I will maybe in like 2 months with Q3.
@NeonMullet You know, I still dislike the ringless controllers. I loved it at first for ergonomics, but they simply lose tracking way too easy, and always at the worst moments. TBH I don't think the design was well thought. I think the design was really designed for the Touch Pro controllers for the Quest Pro, which does NOT use the headset tracking, the controllers have their own cameras for tracking in the controller so they can track behind your back and obstructed, but they carried that design into Q3 with the inside out and it doesn't really work for the shape as well. you can buy Touch Pro controllers and use them for Quest 3 but they're $$$ and honestly ALSO have a lot of bad reviews with tracking issues.
Don't get me wrong I love my Q3, but I do think the Q2 controller design was superior.
BTW, you ever play Beat Saber? It's one of those things I'd heard so much about as this VR showcase for casuals and just ignored because "I'm more VR established than THAT". I finally tried it. I'm freaking addicted, lol. It supports Q3 120fps mode. It's insane lol. Sometimes it's those simple games that you end up playing the most, I think. Reminds me of the old days. For all the other games I had, it's Tetris that spent the most time in my OG Game Boy.
Yeah, I was playing the Meow Wolf Walkabout Golf level the other day, and while I missed the amazing contrast on the PSVR version it just struck me how much MORE of it I can see. The lenses on the VR2 hurt it so bad. Everything outside of center is just blurred and warped. It makes the EFFECTIVE FOV much smaller than 110, because there's only a narrow cone that's actually clear, and the rest is just this watercolor version of the world. There's things I prefer about the VR2, but those lenses ruin a lot of of what it has going for it.
I've been enjoying the Q3 speakers. If I go Pimax later, I'll get their speakers, but whether I do or not depends on how well I get along with the wireless Q3 on PC I think (still a month or 2 so from trying it I think.) The sound is surprisingly good, but I did also get wireless earbuds for it, too, which I strangely haven't used yet.
LOL, DT770's aren't big or bulky compared to my 1990 Pros But yeah, over the ear and VR will never, ever mix.
I've looked at the casting option but haven't actually used it. Almost did a few times. From what you described I'm not sure I"m going to bother now But yeah not having casting has been a problem for me several times. I did miss that from the PSVR2. IDK maybe i'll end up trying it at some point.
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