Disgruntled PS5 Pro Owners Campaign to Disable Support After Slew of Shoddy Patches

Completely agree. Can't see why we can't have the original options from OG ps5... Maybe I am fine as it is but want just those brute forced extra frames?

As a day one owner it is now clear to me that ps5 not having any sort of CPU upgrade is really bottlenecking the overall experience of "PRO"

Suddenly my peasant-class PS5 is looking pretty good!

So it has begun..... time to return those PS5 Pro purchases.

I'm surprised the Pro options weren't just added in with the original graphic options for every game. Really weird for some devs to just outright remove them.

And this prooves the point that it is not the hardware the problem. Never was. It is the devs. Now we see how capable those are...

This has been a disaster.

Remember, folks. This cost 700 smackers for what is essentially a BETA TEST for the PS6.

Absolutely laughable.

When will the PlayStation community wake up and realise Sony is all about making money.

They've reduced the output of first party single player games BUT INCREASED the output of Live Service games. Heck, existing first party games have been turned into essentially Live Service games i.e. GT 7.

To paper over the cracks of their weak first party single player output, they've paid for second party/third party exclusives.

If that wasn't enough, their first party games aren't exclusives anyway because they'll end up on PC.

Basically, they don't care what you and I want. They want more money. End of. This "beta test" is another way of making more money.

Btw, in case anyone thinks I'm trolling or being overly negative, Pushsquare has an article with the title "$700 Later and Dragon's Dogma 2 PS5 Pro's Performance is still far from perfect"--> https://www.pushsquare.com/previews/hands-on-usd700-later-and-dragons-dogma-2-ps5-pro-performance-is-still-far-from-perfect

This is the reality of PS5 Pro. It's not good enough ESPECIALLY at the obscene asking price of $700/£700.

Or developers could just fix their games and their implementations.

I’m playing Dead Island 2, a game that I believe is well optimised on the base machine. It only has one mode and that’s a locked 60 (minus one very tiny corner on Venice Beach), with better visuals than the base version even with large environmental and physics events going on.

There are plenty of other games that “just work”, but here we are with already badly optimised games with bad patches making it look worse than it is or should be

"Campaign to Disable Support" is nice clickbait

Id prefer not to have too many options.

One of the main reasons I've intentionally avoided PC gaming is because I love the "plug in an play" aspect of owning a Console.

I'm by no means a technophob but PC gaming scares the life out of me

Lmao push square u guys must be bored this is just sad

Options are always good - particularly in the cases of incompetent devs.

Seriously though, even more choices (on every game) eg RT on/off, framerate uncapping, etc would only be a good thing - have pre set profiles for those that dont want too many choices, and allow tweaking if wanted. This would also benefit base PS5 too imo, but probably more the Pro given the target audience and additional GPU power.

What an absolute joke this entire gen has been. Sony needs competition or this is what we end up with.

@commentlife

100% agree. I can't believe how BORING it has been.

Where are the amazing new ips that Sony used to bring out?
The complex and amazing narratives? It's just the same boring games.

I'm so ***** tired, of being a "beta tester", for these multi billion dollar companies...

Never buy anything day 1!

How many more times do people need to be burned before they learn?

how would have concord looked on it

@Wario_Waha
You are a self professed Nintendo only gamer.

From your bio "Formerly a PlayStation/Xbox gamer turned Nintendo only gamer"

Given this, your Anti PS5-Pro / Sony comments feel somewhat disingenuous.
You do realise this is a Playstation only site dont you?

@Wario_Waha GT7 would be pretty lame if it wasn't a live service game. You're saying you dont want weekly updates with new challenges, new daily races, or monthly updates with new cars and tracks added?

@LifeGirl

Unless it's Nintendo. Their first party games are unrivalled, at least imho. Each to their own.

Imagine going through the trouble of selling your PlayStation 5 and spending $700 on a Playstation 5 Pro for games still not to run perfectly.

I must admit I have a PS5 Pro and the odd title shines through.
But it is not as wide spread or different from base PS5 as I thought it would be.
Maybe overtime it might improve.

@Member_the_game It's not as bad as you'd think.

I took a 12 year hiatus from PC games because I found myself tinkering more with settings than I did playing games. I moved to console for the simplicity.

I don't like where the console space is headed with Microsoft seemingly throwing in the towel and Sony essentially going "unchecked". Nintendo are in their own lane at the moment and seem to have found a perfect balance being in that lane.

Yes, I paid about $2K when all was said and done, but I don't regret it one bit! I think I am not only covered for this generation, but next generation as well.

PC gaming has never been so easy and I have been enjoying games so much more now than I ever have back in the day.

If you basically just want to play the game, most modern games have console quality settings as their defaults. Some auto-detect your system settings and adjust accordingly and can even be higher than console settings.

Plus, if you decided to go with an Nvidia GPU, Nvidia provides its own optimized settings based on your hardware that you can just click a button to Optimize (or even have it Auto-optimize everything if you want) and you never have to look at the settings menu in a game ever.

I'd argue that most PC players who are spending a bunch of time tweaking their games are trying to get their games to run in FPS that match the native refresh rate of their monitors (for context, mine is 165Hz).

But if you just want to shoot for 60fps, then that's pretty achievable with most modern games without touching a single setting.

Most games for the PS4/X1 era and below can pretty much run at Max settings and well above 60fps on a modern PC.

It also depends on whether you turn RT on or off. If you absolutely couldn't care one lick about real-time RT, then basically any game past or present will run above 60fps at above console quality settings.

But, I would caveat that you'd need at least an Nvidia 4070 if you care about doing that at 4K. I honestly see more detail in my 1440p monitor than I do my 4K TV - so 4K really isn't necessary in my opinion.

Give people the options. I mentioned before release that the lack of cpu upgrade and the 2ms frame time cost of PSSR (60fps is 16ms) means that some games would have issues like this, alot of people did.

But forcing people to play a worse version on the pro console needs fixing and being able to revert back to fsr/old settings is essential.

Some of these comments and this article makes this situation WAY WORSE than it actually is. I know because I own a Pro.

The good FAR outweighs the bad.

I feel like many negative comments are actually negative because the Pro is too expensive for them while trying too use excuses mentioned in the article. Though, I do game on an OLED that has VRR and can get up to 120fps. So, people who bought a Pro and are capped at 60 with an older tv may have a different experience.

"there’s little financial incentive"

Disagree.

– I bought F1 24 just because it has great PS5 Pro support, otherwise I would just wait for it to be on a service like I always did in the past (EA Play and PS Plus)
– Bought Horizon Remastered because of PS5 Pro support.
– Will buy Alan Wake 2 earlier than I would because of the PS5 pro support.

Would I pay 5-10 USD extra for remastered versions for PS5 Pro? Yes.

Give me Cyberpunk 2077 PS5 Pro update with the same amount of settings as Spider-Man 2 has and I will pay for it.

@OldGamer999 That's my feeling from the SSD-equipped PS4 Pro to the PS5. Seems like a case of diminishing returns.

I think we have to face it that some games were designed in a particular way to be optimal(ish) on whatever hardware it was designed on and the Pro interfering with it is going to cause some side-effects.
PS4 Supersampling was simpler, rendering a 4K screen and then squashing it to 1080p for the display but this is dynamically tweaking stuff that maybe the game doesn't like.

@Bamila I’ve been thinking about the cpu and ultimately I’m not sure what the solution would be.

10% clock boost is a nice bonus if you aren’t bottlenecked but if you are already bottlenecked then you probably should be addressing that. If what you are trying to do is hitting limits then that doesn’t feel like good planning and execution. On a pc with variable specs then I can understand it but on a fixed console platform?

As for why it’s 10% I assume this is a thermals issue. The gpu is probably going to be running a bit hotter too and having both of those running too hot is problematic.

Why couldn’t they have upgraded the processor properly? Probably for compatability, combined with games still needing to be developed with the base machine in mind.

A better performing cpu would obviously be of benefit, but there are also potential issues so I’m not really sure what they could have done.

@Mikey856 would you to spend 700 dollars.or whatever your currency is and still have to wait for patches to do what it was suppose to, week by week sony just enforce the whole " expensive ps6 beta" there's no excuse for this small problem or not, according to sony the PRO was in development at the same time of original ps5 yet it still isnt ready, however granted not 100% console fault , I think some have a place to complain/react

@Major_Player

Im not sure if your being sarcastic or not.

If you are, then yes its a storm in a tiny teacup (with some of these devs not exactly having the best track records).
If PSSR is found to have some issues, its not a big surprise, and they will fix it - their whole console strategy going forwards relies on it!
But this is on the devs for not QA testing it - even DF have said similar for at least 1 of these errant patches. At what point did they not think - "oh its not quite worked. Let us contact Sony, remove PSSR and just use the extra GPU to smooth framerate issues / increase pre upscaler pixel counts".

If you werent being sarcastic - why would I sell it given all the games ive checked out or played have shown decent to great improvement! And thats just the quick patches! (Then all the above).

The irony here seems to be is that the games where the Pro support is a big upgrade, such as FFVII, TLOU2 and Insomniac games, they all either have the previous options or equivalents when there is no need to go back.

Luckily for me, every game I'm playing has been a tangible or huge upgrade over the base PS5 but the simple fact is that no developers should be releasing patches where the game looks worse on the more powerful console in the first place.

Can you please do something about these xbox fanboy trolls already?

@OmegaStriver yeah for me it's been nothing but a big upgrade. I've been playing The Last of Us Part 2, FFVII Rebirth, Horizon Zero Dawn and today RE2 in its RT mode and every single one of them is a noticable or huge upgrade.

Of those games struggling, most of them have already performed badly on every platform they released on, so I certainly wouldn't be using them as being representative of the hardware

And here I was being told it was game changing as well.

Can't say this surprised me at, the amount of stock people put in this machine to be the magic fixall.

Glad you all get to beta test it before they implement their new tech properly in the PS6 though!

@Wario_Waha bingo. However you will get predominantly responders making excuses for the situation.

It's at least a bit reassuring that outside these brand allegiant websites, there are those that are willing to voice their frustration with such an overpriced piece of hardware releasing in circumstances that don't really justify it's "premium" marketing.

Honestly yeah i think there should be an option to play with base PS5 settings because while most games run and look better we do have Jedi Survivor looking worse.

I do have to laugh at the person wanting the downgraded 40fps option for Outlaws though. Outlaws on Pro is the best way to play it on console so why someone would want to take a hit both in visuals and performance is beyond me.

Currently transferring data to my Pro. Maybe I should have just been happy with my OG. Whoops!

@Rich33 He's not being sarcastic. He's a pathetic xbox fanboy troll. He posts the same garbage on PureXbox too (where he obviously gets a lot more support)

If I paid £700 for a console with disc drive and stand but then was playing standard PS5 versions on it then that thing would be going back and I'll have my £700 back thank you very much

End of the day your paying for the PREMIUM that Sony has to offer, and it should mean Sony working with these Devs to make sure there games are in the best form possible. Because of this it's a negative to owning one sorry it is

@Wario_Waha I mean Digital Foundry and GamingTech gave the Pro glowing reviews so not really disaster is it when the actual expects say otherwise.

Honestly the people i'm finding moan most about the Pro are those for whatever reason don't have a Pro. Me though i've been playing Spidey 2 NG+ at 4K/60fps this past week, Metaphor at 60fps and Stellar Blade NG+ at 4K/60fps where it looks better then ever. The Pro has way way more hits then misses and you would know that if you had one.

@Mikey856 I'm not saying it's not an overreaction, and I'm happy your enjoying yours as i am mine , but people annoyance isn't pulled out of thin air,.come on you know how sensitive people are 🤣

@Rich33 Major Player is a noted Xbox troll, that's all you need to know about their comments.

@GameOfTheGeneration nope you aren’t allowed to say such things, the mods don’t like that

Anyway you would think Xbox fanboys would be more worried about their own clown show.

Just block them like I’ve been doing. I’ve no issue with debating contrary opinions, but what is the point of bothering to argue against sensationalism and blatant bull. Even if they get banned they will just come back under another name

there seem to be some comparisons between having more options and PC options. consoles have always been simple using modes rather then specific graphics settings. having a couple more or even a toggle switch to show non-pro modes would be no drawback IMHO.

@GamingFan4Lyf great points. Very much agree

@LowDefAl
RE your post on the CPU.
Completely agree, and better written than I could have done - its not the most optimal of situations, but I think you are spot on - im sure I heard/read from a reliable source that the 10% CPU boost comes from a 2% GPU drop (which is still quite a way over base GPU), suggesting thermals.
But as you say, its pretty silly planning if your game is hitting CPU limits on all consoles.

@Sergo I recall a comment from Digital Foundray where it was suggested that in some cases the hardware is making up for faults in the software which is not a good thing and I totally think this hits the nail on the head. This console was totally unnecessary and the likes of PSSR is awesome but they could have just held of and put this in the PlayStation 6 either way we have it now and it is what it is.

I mean there should be no reason to ever use them unless the patch is released broken.

All these issues will get ironed out in due course and then there will no need to ever think about them again.

@MrPeanutbutterz @GameOfTheGeneration (@LowDefAl)
Thank you, I didnt know if he was just being sarcastic - I spotted the Nintendo fanboy, but they were being obvious, and had confirmed it in their Bio!

Without the fanboys, or haters, this could have been a very worthwhile thread about options and choices - particularly given that even in well done patches, everyone has slightly different opinions on what made it good eg fps / visuals / combination.

The problem is the developers/publishers. Not the hardware. Always has been. There are people here claiming that the hardware is the problem, or a scam, or a beta test. It's not. The problem is the developers. There are also plenty of games that have been improved a lot on the Pro without even having official support simply because the original versions of the game were broken (e.g., Elden Ring, Atelier Ryza 2).

I wouldn't mind something to tell me I'm actually playing the pro version , I've tried a few games now with no indication whether it's got a patch or not even though it says pro enhanced , maybe a little message when you start a game first time listing the changes would help, sonys first party are excellent as expected, I'm suprised and disappointed with remedy I expected better, and wheres cdpr patches surely witcher 3 and cyberpunk could benefit.

Do these people not understand the “learning” part of machine learning? DLSS was trash in its first iteration as well. Are the implementations for certain games at the moment poor? Yeah. But these things take time.

*laughs histerically for people shelled out a gigantuos amount of money

Why did we feel the need to buy our Pro's?

Partly a desire to see even higher fidelity in good games from competent developers, e.g. Forbidden West. Especially those of us who invested in large high quality TV's.

But perhaps the most significant reason, was because of grossly incompetent clown developers who couldn't get Tetris running at 30fps on an RTX5090 if they tried. We've had two years of catastrophically bad releases that don't run properly, and felt the need to brute force it.

It's hardly surprising many of those clown developers completely botched the PS5 Pro patches, when they couldn't even produce barely functioning versions of their games on the lead platform (original PS5).

Also Playstation should allow to play transferred games without the disc, I can't play them now and it's impossible to buy the disc drive for PS5 Slim/Pro in the UK. What the hell? Sent the disc drives here or unlock the transferred games.