
We didn't know how badly we wanted a third entry in The Last of Us franchise, one more harrowing adventure in Naughty Dog's bleak world, until director Neil Druckmann cast doubt on it ever happening.
He's so busy adapting the series for HBO, not to mention overseeing Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet, is it possible that Hollywood might seduce him, as remains the case with George R.R. Martin and Game of Thrones, that the TV series might someday outpace the source material?
It's a good question and one IGN put to Druckmann himself on the red carpet of The Last of Us 2's season premiere. The creator, who will always be Doctor Uckmann in our eyes, said of the HBO show:
"I don’t know how long I’ll keep doing this or whether I’ll be given another opportunity. So I leave nothing on the line. Right now, it’s like, we have an ending in mind. And that ending will be it. That ending will be it for this story."
It's pretty comforting to hear, as all good things must end, even one of the better video game adaptations we've ever seen. This approach is consistent with how Druckmann approached the games themselves, as in the world of video games, like Hollywood, there are no guarantees:
"When I made The Last of Us 1, I didn’t know if there was going to be a sequel, so that had to be a definitive ending. When I worked on Uncharted 4, I don’t know if we’ll ever get to do it again. I need it to be a definitive ending. Last of Us 2, same way. All these things have to line up."
What do you think, will Druckmann stay true to his word? There are always side stories to be explored, which might make more sense in TV format, such as the early days of Joel and Tommy surviving, which we'd be fascinated to see. Let us know what you think in the comments section below.
[source ign.com]
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I think maybe obsessing with a perfect end can be detrimental to a TV show. Game of thrones is obviously the most famous example, but to me umbrella academy is the most glaring one. The show was clearly cancelled with a rushed in ending.
Unless you've got a definitive ending in mind, it might just be best to keep going and just leave the show hanging if it does get cancelled for whatever reason, leave the end to the viewers imaginations rather than some awfully placed full stop attempt.
Personally, I would love to see TLoU part 3, but it’s okay if I don’t. The story seemed to wrap up in a satisfying conclusion—essentially a full circle, at least for me. As for the show itself, I think creators don’t need to curate to their audience necessarily. Tell the story you want to tell, and if that means it’s one season, or multiple, trust yourself in that decision. Most of the great TV shows knew when to call it quits: Breaking Bad, The Wire, The Sopranos, and they never outstayed their welcome.
I want TLOU3 so badly, but its release will be disappointing as hell if it doesn't release with/after Factions 2. My god Neil give us factions, please. I've been waiting since ya'll promised in 2019...
"When I made The Last of Us 1, I didn’t know if there was going to be a sequel, so that had to be a definitive ending. When I worked on Uncharted 4, I don’t know if we’ll ever get to do it again. I need it to be a definitive ending. Last of Us 2, same way. All these things have to line up."
Cliffhangers are always a bummer, especially when there isn’t another season. So I do like the idea of a definitive ending. You just never know what might occur in the future. I mean look at what happened to game of thrones. Dragon ball super is still going but the creator is dead. Hunter X Hunter, that show is never going to have an ending. And don’t even get me started with the one piece anime 🙄
Things should not go on forever, there should always be an ending at some point. So say whatever you want about this game studio but I do like the idea of not waiting forever for a ending.
Honestly, I'm of the belief TLOU3 is happening. There's too much popularity around the franchise and smoke surrounding a third game from Neil and insiders in general. However, making a story with a definitive ending is always the way to go to deliver finality, but it doesn't mean you can't leave potential threads to pull on in the future.
I hope the last of us continues once Druckmann has moved on. Him having sole control over part 2 ruined the franchise imo. He somehow turned one of my favourite characters in gaming into someone I absolutely detested in part 2.
at this rate LOU3 with be a tv series tie in game
If you read the Game informer exclusive interview, you can infer that he is walking back the story.
Changing Abby is basically pandering to the audience in making her a fragile woman - changes a lot. My guess is that there are sweeping changes and that in parts the story is walked back, chopped up and stretched 'thin'.
There's a heavy spoiler question I won't quote, where Neil answers with a bizarre story (about how he is the messiah of storytelling,) miracously healing a man going through a rough patch. A good chunk of players have admitted to the opposite - that the game brought them down, and so I'd like to see ND's twchnical prowess coupled with new creative visions. Less polarizing is key.
At this point, Sony might feel that the studio is mismanaged. No games, except for technical touch ups have happened this generation which for a game studio that is a failure. There's a small caveat that Heretic might release before PS6, though.
Naughty Dog needs fresh ideas and effective leadership, one that is actually near their teams working on games. Like a young Kojima. The next ND boss is Japanese, you heard it here first 😲
@EfYI How are we defining "changing Abby into a fragile woman?"
You do not have to have He-Man muscles to be strong. Big muscles are how we express the strong masculine, not the strong feminine.
For example, I would argue that an example of the strong feminine is Tess from TLOU1. She was only slightly built and yet that did not stop her from being any less heroic or badass with it.
Feels like the TV series will outpace the game and i don't have problem with that.
And I can see Druckman, ND, and Sony are tired from all TloU 2 discourse. They're tired with all the hate and death threat messages, the whining from people who thinks the story should be this Joel should be that etc etc. So they like let's focus to complete the Tv series and when it's finished they will closed the book for TloU and then moved on to Intergalactic.
@Balosi GREAT call. I LOVED Umbrella Academy, and that last season was underwhelming, to say the least. That show deserved better. Lost also collapsed under its own weight, and don’t even get me started on the last 2 seasons of Dexter…
@Balosi I NEVER expected Game of Thrones to end well for all the characters, anyone that did wasn't paying attention. But that's not really the complaint most people have. It was how rushed some of the characters development seemed (trying to avoid spoilers here), it didn't feel like they had quite laid out enough groundwork to have quite a few characters feel like they changed quite drastically.
As for TLOU2, the ending was perfect to that game. Actions have consequences. But far too many people want a sunshine and rainbows ending with everything tied up in pretty little bows. That's not how real life works, it's part of what I really appreciated about it. YES it was unsatisfying, THAT was the point, but some people can't deal with that.
"Don't get your hopes up for Part 3" - Neil Druckmann
I'm still calling the biggest cap on that statement.
After all the ‘feelings’ ND and Druckman received after TLOU2 from gamers, I’m not sure he wants to make pt3.
Don’t blame him tbh.
@themightyant I agree with you... but i also think that your description of GoT describes TLOU2 just as well. I don't buy that Ellie would just give up right at the last moment - the whole game was leading towards one of them dying and it feels like a massive cop out that it did not happen.
@LifeGirl
Great point. That's true. I think we'll have to see characters square up on one another, and it is a bit of a mystery, where her strength will lie. I do actually want to see the show now, because I think Craig Mazin has done great work over the years.
TV show endings rarely land as well , especially if the subject matter is grittier as people get too invested in the characters. If the show did well then people are left wanting more. If the main characters die then it closes the door, if they all survives then it feels a bit toothless.
As for TLoU I thought both endings where great, sure the second game is a feel bad ending, but it's not a bad ending. Ellie made a series of bad choices and she knew they where bad choices. She spends the game pointing out that Joel also made bad choices and had enemies but continues that cycle in anger. The final fight where Abby has taken on the role of Joel by giving her life to save Levs, is her eye opening moment that it's all pointless and as a result she just breakdown on the beach instead. It's a hard ending, but it fits the story imo.
So Im not necessaríly having a go at the author/editor; but having read the story twice now; I actually don't know if the writer/editor/principal focus is talking the same thing. I understood from the text, that Druckmann was only saying he assumes that each project may be the last - so wants to have a definite closure (though I would say like most, TLOU2 did not finish in a definitive finale, but rather a total Ep2ESB [Episode II - Empire Strikes Back] moment where everything looks bad for the protagonist who has hit rock-bottom). However, the heading and sub-heading seem to suggest that there's a hint that he's going to finish the story in the HBO series....
So I don't think I've seen anything to suggest this - maybe it's an industry rumour - but I think it's more likely that they've got a standard 3 season deal (ala Netflix) that they've now padded - not unlike Squid Game - but will likely pause it there for later potential subsequent series.
The suggestion this is a Game of Thrones analogue is kinda laughable...there was so much material at the start of GoT; and he just stopped being hungry enough, or interested enough, to finish the contracted run. Also HBO put together 73 episodes - compared to a rushed 9 in TLOU (so far).
Neil contributed amazingly to the first game (naratively) then directed the second game in the series... but it's not like he's a literary savant that the world is waiting to hear from the end of his famous Ring-cycle. He made a great game (TLOUp2)... but this whole story is a nothing-burger wrapped up in a click-bait-title IMHO. Edit - I'd happily say this was one of my favourite games in the last 10 years - but even then I don't think people need to be building shelters just in case there's no Episode 3.
It's this constant digging for controversy that's exhausting... I think a much more interesting story would have been how Intergalactic is apparently going to focus on an existing religion that's gone off-the-rails.... that just sounds like endless click-bait-titles right there.
edit - and to be honest - the series added almost nothing to the game for me personally. I'm glad it may have enticed non-gamers into the story, but as a gamer (who has adored the 2 games), it was more 'fine' than 'OMG'.
@LifeGirl I agree she WAS hell bent on revenge and it was leading towards that happening BUT then snapped out of it. Humans can change. My only complaint is that it didn't happen earlier after seeing Abby on the cross, helpless, the last fight was pointless, but they likely felt they needed something. I would have preferred a co-op fight WITH Abby to get out against the slavers.
But then that would have not given the moment where YOU as a character might want to stop fighting. I know this didn't hit for everyone, but it's literally the only time in gaming i've ever put down the controller and said "I don't want to do this", and Ellie followed suit. That was powerful. But if it didn't hit for you I can understand it not being as good.
@themightyant The point - IMO - was that Ellie was the new Joel... a flawed hero. Who did bad things... many, many bad things. The conflict in this game is that there is no equivalence between Joel (and then Ellie) and Abby. Abby is driven by revenge only at the start of the game - we don't see her arbitrary cruelty for others [outside the prologue] - whereas Ellie we subscribe and co-conspire to kill every last M....F....er. Her's is - after the shock - an entirely redemptive arc. Abby's journey is simply one of survival and trying to come to terms with what she's lost, who she has become, and how she can recover. There was no point in the story where Ellie and Abby's journey could coincide - no matter how much we wanted it. The fact that she abandoned Dana and JJ was the point where she became the enemy. The epilogue was poorly written and paced - because at that point players had already decided which side they leaned on.
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For me - many times I let Abby kill Ellie in the final fight... because in no way had I felt that Ellie had lost what Abby had; and the way they shoe-horned the final battle, just felt simplistic. I loved the final shot/sequence in the game; but it's because it's ambiguous and allows (like the first game) for the player to imagine what happens next. It's not definitive, it's elusive - a whispered promise of things to come (well - that and a truckload of Sony money backing up as we speak).
@Balosi I really really enjoyed the first season of Umbrella Academy... the second season felt more like a "correction" based on circumstance... and I couldn't finish the third season. Sometimes shows don't understand what makes them popular - and it's easy to lose their way. Of course - we're all having different reactions... but I think UA is a better analog to TLOU than GoT.
@EfYI I honestly, fervantly believe that ND does NOT need a Kojima.. it needs a Cory. Someone not stuck up their own nether-realm that they liken themselves to the messiah (based on your words - I didn't read the article in question). ND need to go back to basics a little - do two dev teams - one on light, action-based and fun, the other on deep and meaningful. Without that, they just become downer-studio that will keep fracturing it's fan-base.
Please, god, don't do side- or back-stories. I am bored to the back teeth of franchises that don't know when to quit and wring themselves absolutely dry.
I honestly don't give a monkeys what Joel's aunt's third-cousin was doing for dinner on the evening that Marlene had a bit of the sniffles because the Fireflies were wandering through an area with a high pollen count or whatever.
An early Joel and Tommy story would be fantastic and chaotic.
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare “…liken themselves to the messiah (based on your words - I didn't read the article in question).” I recommend reading the article as it says nothing of the sort 😂
After the spoiler leak of TLoUp2, I fully expect ND and company to be completely tight lipped, and misleading about Part3. I fully expect a shadow drop that will break the internet. When? Who knows...
@Jimmer-jammer @Oz_Who_Dat_Dare
Ian Grimm on how to put part two's story about hate (sic) onto screen:
"I'll answer this in a roundabout way: Many years ago, I was at PSX [PlayStation Experience]. While hanging off to the side doing this interview, I saw this fan waiting in the wings waiting to talk to me. He came over and said, "Listen, man, there's a period where I broke my hip, I went through a divorce, I was super depressed, I got suicidal, and your game helped me out of it." And I was like, "This depressing-a** game helped you out of it?" He said, "Yeah, there's just something about these characters going through hardship that was really helping me with real-world stuff.""
Just admit it Jibber-jabber, he is our Lord and Savior.
@EfYI It’s safe to say that we have two very different interpretations of that anecdote.
@Jimmer-jammer why did you respond to my comment?- if you read my comment, I was referring to what someone else had said (and made a point that I didn't know whether that was valid or not).... I do however think (my opinion) that Druckmann has been sniffing his own farts just a little too much. As happens with many "auteurs"... My point was simply, I don't believe that ND needs another "auteur" like Kojima - and they needed instead to lighten up a little (like back in the day).
@Oz_Who_Dat_Dare I was just encouraging you to read the article because you said you hadn’t, in an attempt to highlight that the point he was making was not valid, as you suspected it may not be.
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