Mafia II deserves better than this. Originally released for PlayStation 3 in 2010, it was by no means the greatest of its time. However, ten years later, anything the game got right has been thwarted by the technical disaster that is Mafia II: Definitive Edition. This remaster fails on all fronts. From an atrociously bad frame rate and questionable slowdown right the way through to bizarre audio glitches, it quite literally has the complete package. Mafia II is still in there, somewhere, but it has been trampled on to such a degree that it can be considered long dead and buried.
For those who don’t know, this remaster brings together the base game and three pieces of DLC for a cinematic period piece dedicated to the illegal dealings of the mafia. Vito Scaletta finds himself wound up in one such criminal organization after returning from World War II with the aim of ridding his family of debt. What ensues is a narrative that still holds up to this day, but it can only do so much for an experience which even gives the Silent Hill HD Collection a good run for its money.
There are so many faults and flaws introduced by Mafia II: Definitive Edition that you better buckle up for the long haul. The remaster seems to target just 30 frames per second on PlayStation 4 Pro, but it never, ever achieves it for any decent length of time. Stutters and frame rate drops are an incredibly common occurrence while out in the open world, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. Confined spaces such as building interiors, apartments, and tunnels have it far worse as the frame rate nosedives into the literal teens. And this is something which happens in these locations every single time you visit them. No ifs or buts.
It may be tough to wrap your head around what that really means for the undertaking, so allow us to lend a helping hand. The vast majority of the game's missions take place in specially designed environments, so outside of driving to and from these scenes, you will spend a lot of your time indoors. Can you see where we're going? The title runs like a complete trainwreck during every story-critical sequence and it only gets worse when you throw combat into the mix. This is an unacceptable state to launch in, especially so when the remaster's foundations were already laid a decade ago.
The new 4K visuals are hardly worth shouting about either. Sure, a handful of character models look like they've been brought into the modern era. But then others which usually stick to the background stick out like a sore thumb with poor texture work devoid of any real detail. Meanwhile, lighting glitches make a mockery of the Empire Bay skyline and special effects such as fire and explosions disappear without explanation. There's even plenty of texture pop-in and teleporting civilians, just for good measure.
And then there are the bugs and glitches. For some bizarre reason, dialogue will only play through the left earbud when using headphones roughly half the time. AI doesn't always trigger correctly, leaving enemies completely motionless. If you back out to the PS4 dashboard, the game occasionally won't register inputs upon your return. If you're unlucky enough, it'll crash completely. We shall state it again -- this is not acceptable.
The most frustrating thing about the situation then is that underneath this technical mess is a game with statements which still ring true 10 years later. Yes, it covers every cliché in the book, but the writing holds up with a heartfelt tale of doing what's right for your family no matter the cost. Those tribulations get rather grandiose the more you progress, although a series of unique set pieces lend weight to keep you at ground level. And while it still features an open world with nothing to do and a complete joke of a police force, Mafia II continues to excel in the one place it had something to say.
We can't say the same for combat, however. Simply put, it feels completely archaic in the year 2020. An awkward cover mechanic makes smoothly getting about the place a complete chore while aiming and shooting is the clunkiest it could possibly be. Since the game opts for a camera perspective directly behind the protagonist rather than one over the shoulder, taking down enemies in tight spaces is a tougher challenge than it has any right to be. This becomes even more of a detriment as you near the game's conclusion. Bigger groups of thugs can get the drop on you before you've even caught wind of their location which, combined with a surprisingly small health pool, makes for a truly miserable experience in the latter stages.
It's very safe to say that D3T's attempted remaster of Mafia II is nothing short of a failure, but there is one more glitch which has left us baffled. Every time you boot up the game, you will be asked to log into a 2K Games account. If you do so then all is well and good. However, should you choose to skip the option then an on-screen icon will appear to remind you that your profile hasn't been linked. While some users have been lucky enough to have the prompt disappear, we had to play the entire game with it visible. It doesn't go away during gameplay and it's even present in cutscenes.
The cherry on top is that it actually covers up gameplay-critical HUD elements such as in-game timers when you're racing against the clock. You have to resort to guessing if you're doing well or not all because an icon has glitched its way onto your screen for an entire playthrough. What a complete and utter disaster.
Conclusion
Mafia II: Definitive Edition could have been a welcome distraction during the quieter summer months, but in its current state, it must be avoided at all costs. While its narrative and writing may still hold up 10 years later, the long, long list of technical flaws and glitches overshadows its few accomplishments. And that's all it deserves because this is the worst remaster of the PS4 generation.
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Oh dear, if it’s really as bad as the Silent Hill remasters, I’m not going anywhere near it.
I've never played any of the Mafia games but the setting had me intrigued enough that when I started reading about Remakes and Remasters coming out I was started to get interested in trying one...maybe not now
Was gonna give it a go to keep me going until TLOU2 but think I’ll wait for it be on PS Now...
I was new to the Mafia games and I agree with all the pros and cons but i have to admit i did enjoy the story, it's just a shame they didn't make much effort with the remaster, it had so much potential.
I'm going to wait for reviews on the Mafia remake as i'm hoping that is a lot better.
I got the 2k icon glitch once but i noticed if i waited for it to disappear on the main selection screen it wouldn't glitch so give that a try.
Oh damn I was looking forward to this to...am I better off just getting the ps3 version then?
Doesn't bode well for the remake now sadly
Always a strange choice - send out an unfinished game to meet pre-agreed financial deadlines, then lose a huge chunk of your sales due to terrible reviews. You'd think a major publisher like 2k wouldn't stand for that, but here we are. Same goes for Bethesda.
Ouch. I was interested in trying out this series (I wanted to start with Mafia 1 Remastered), but those issues are very discouraging.
Makes you appreciate the great job that was done on the recent Saints Row remaster
@OliverCrossland The unremastered version was on PSNow. Gave it a try last month. Sadly, I found that the gameplay had aged too much for me. Felt very clunky as the review states.
@AdamNovice not necessarily, that looks like it's a new game engine and possibly a test for a new entry
@Clytorial_Impact
The first game is great! If the remake comes out to good reviews, maybe just give that a chance instead.
This reads more like a 2 to me. 4 means it's a bit below average but this sounds like an unfinished pile of sh*t.
Is this the same dev that made the incredible repetitive MF3?
@BrettAwesome yeah I'll definitely keep an eye out for it. I haven't played a good crime game since The Getaway (oh and Sleeping Dogs was good too)
@AdamNovice Why so? This remaster was done by a completely different team than the group handling the remake?
When are remasters ever worth while? If you love a particular game I understand you would want to replay it regularly, but these whole remasters are saturating the market.. remade games are great when done right, but these remasters need to stop really.
Read like a 0/10😂😂 ouch. You always have to wonder is this down to 2K and a strict deadline that couldnt be feasibly hit or lazy and incompetent devs? I feel like the blame always falls on the former but we all know there are sh*t devs out there for sure.
This is such a shame! Mafia 2 is such a great game
I've been playing this over the last few days and I've enjoyed it — mostly because the story and characters hold up, like Liam says in the review.
But looking at the game objectively, it's very hard to argue with the review. As a remaster, it's absolutely terrible. The performance is unbelievably bad at times.
At this point, we just have to hope it gets patched.
@SonuvLiberty Its probably cheaper too. 😆
@AdamNovice i would not say that yet.
i think all the work went into the remake and this remaster was a rush job so they could have all the mafia games on current platforms. perhaps to brace ourselves for mafia 4.
I've got a friend who has this and said it gives GTA V a run for its money, i sometimes question what world he lives on compared to me.
@ShogunRok Im not buying these games anymore hoping too see something patched is a invite doing a bad job again.
I still think it's weird that they release part 2 & 3 now, but wait to release part one of their trilogy until august 28th. Could this indicate that the remake of part 1 is also a technical mess?
@EquiinoxGII Tales of Vesperia is one i love i never got to play the original, the Last of Us and the Uncharted trilogy. There are some nice Remastered games but studio's like 2K see them as easy money. I loved Dark Souls it was a bad remaster though no extra effort was put in the game and that shows.
@ShogunRok If it gets patched let us know. I'm interested in replaying this, but I dont want my great memories with this game ruined bc of this port.
How does this go through the PS quality check and small indies get so much problems getting their games approved and then there is the Black Tiger and Fallout 76 games im baffled.
I've been coming her for probably ten years and never left a comment. I had to create an account just to dismiss this review. While some good points were made all were over blown, the only truely bad part was frame rate and i found that it only happened when there was a time jump i would just restart the game and frame rate was fine again. Yes unacceptable but not game breaking. Still worth a go.
@WallyWest He lives where Alice lives - wonderland. There are always people who think any other game with cars is better than GTA.
After watching YouTube videos of the game I'd long made my mind up I'm better off rebuying Mafia3 instead.
This contrasts well against the excellent Saints Row remaster.
Worst remaster of the gen
Damn I wanted this to be good. I remember enjoying the original release when Blockbuster was still about. Lets hope the remake fares better
Oh dear, when I tried my updated version of '3', the first thing I noticed was screen tearing. I cant remember if it was there before, but not good for something with 'definitive' in the title. I've never played this one but sounds like could have been so much better.
Edit: I tried '3' for five minutes and it seems worst than I remember, screen tearing and then the game crashed...
@nessisonett no way... Silent Hill will be done properly... I hope )
@djape There is no new Silent Hill, if there is it will not be a remake. It's nice to dream, though. He is talking of the ps3 and 360 'High Definition Collection'. It should have been called 'Low Quality Collection'.
@Flaming_Kaiser last of us was good, I never played the original but I did the remastered version. And same for Uncharted, not got around to the remaster yet though. It's far and few between though, most are the same but just more blocky due to the higher pixels, if done right though it can be good. Bluepoint have shown this.
@Jayofmaya I’m sure many of us would be happy with a good hd remake too, I would
what a shame... i was really willing to give it a go, I have collectors edition for ps3 version, but after playing for about 2 hrs i never put it on again, because hwo terrible the framerate was... I was hoping it would be a different story, but it's a hard pass now.
@djape They’ve lost the source code, Konami won’t be able to make a proper remaster. If you want to play Silent Hill 2 in HD with loads of fixes, look up Silent Hill 2 Definitive Edition. It’s a fan remaster that I played a few weeks ago and it looks and feels brilliant.
@nessisonett niiiice.. thanks for the info mate
Seems like the majority of reviewers on metacritic are not really mentioning they experienced this many technical issues, or to the same degree as is talked about here. It’s currently sitting at a 74 average over 22 reviews, but this review hasn’t been included yet.
Thanks for being transparent about these issues.
The original played on a PS3 is a better experience than playing the remastered on PS4 is my take from reviews and players videos.
All that was needed was a pc port in 1080p and at least a smooth 30fps. That does not take a file size 3-4 times the size of the original on PS3 and XBOX 360.
If you get review copy's of games tor free then why do you review them after they're out
@NoCode23 I just watched the Digital Foundry video and it seems 2k always had issues with PS hardware with this game.
The PS3 version performed very poorly, somehow they managed to make the PS4Pro perform worse than the PS4Base.
XBox Base runs similar to PS4Base, and XBX runs actually well, but nothing performs as well as PC (asterisk, given who knows what hardware anyone’s PC has.)
Look at how they massacred my boy!
I think this is literally the lowest rated remaster of a game I have seen. Ouch! How do you remaster a game so poorly? They already had all the basics done!
@DeepSpace5D the review states they played it on a PS4 Pro. That might be why, Digital Foundry testing seemed to point the PS4 Pro version is the worst performing version for some reason (seems it can’t handle all the features they enabled for that model.)
@Barryburton97 well mafia 3 was just as bad when it was first released, the game was so broken it was unplayable, so I'm not suprised with how bad this remaster is.
And seriously? 30fps for the pro? that is totally shocking especially with how old this game is, you would think they would bring better performance smh
@Heavyarms55 so much for this remaster being "Definitive" even saints row 4 remaster is better than this 😑
@Bamila I have the directors cut on ps3 myself and never really got into it either, I also played it briefly and never played it again, so I don't know if I could attempt to play it a second time on the ps4 tbh but I'm curious about mafia remake if it will be better or not 🤔
@ThaBEN yakuza collection did the same too, it's pretty unprofessional imo, it's like leaving a iou in the game case and paying full price for that, if it's not ready then why push for a release in the first place?
@Tharsman If that’s the case hopefully they can issue out a future patch that reduces some of the features in the Pro version.
@SonuvLiberty The remaster has its benefits than it's counterpart: better visuals and no more screen tearing. Besides that a $30 price tag is too much for a half fast product that came out 10 years ago. Wait for a discount imo.
I can confirm all above on PS4 Pro. BTW Mafia 3 was about the same experience for me with stuttering and popping up textures, really washed out and strange colours (always pink sky) etc. Tried to return it but they banned my console and forced to buy it back to get my console unbanned. So I bought it back but didn't play it still (just checked it couple of time if it becomes better after patches). Bought it full price on release day.
Btw looks like new Definitive patch broke Mafia 3 again. What the hell?
It must be avoided at all costs??? Hahahaha. I never played it before but I am halfway through it and I'm loving it. I'm not playing it on a PS4 Pro so maybe that is why I have no issues. Even the so called '''expert'' reviewers didn't rate 'Days Gone'. Play it yourself and then judge it.
@CRW47 or igc on playstation plus? 😂
Anyone else got mafia 3 and played after it got patched to the definitive edition, they've ***** that up as well, I have it on the xbox one x and good grief it's a mess this patch has suddenly introduced blurry textures,slowdown,pop in and unresponsive controls, mafia 3 is one of my favourite games love the soundtrack and they've wrecked it,anyone else noticed it?
I think a 4 is even too high! It is the worse remaster i ever owned on ps4!
really disapointed was looking forward to this never mind the ripp of price but what a total ffffffffffffffffffffffffff up
@LiamCroft So if Konami read this & realize ""We haven't released Silent Hill on current gen?! Quick get that HD port out!",we'll have you to blame,then?!
As for Take-two/2K,they seem to have taken on board GTA V's Lester as an advisor...."Port 'em cheap,sell 'em high!" ;-p
Joking aside,bit of a shame-kept hearing how good the story was in Mafia 1 & 2 but that the original ps2 versions were a bit meh & never got around to them...not much has changed here except its verging on what,40Gb plus & an even buggier mess?!
Said it before, and will inevitably have to say it again, this practice of releasing a product in a state like this should absolutely be UNACCEPTABLE.
No other medium does this, you don't get music CD's (or vinyl or whatever) that has 14 tracks listed and 12 of those don't play. You don't have movies that are released with 50% of it's advertised runtime just not there. Books don't have pages ripped out. People should not stand for this ***** from greedy companies like this, there needs to be a revolt.
It's safe to assume that a lot of people are buying these games for others (whether it be parents or spouse or whatever), and have no idea about how they run. They are paying hard earned money for an absolutely broken experience that ruins it for the person "playing" it. Yeah it's funny when stuff like WWK20 comes out and there more bugs than playtime, but if I was paying for that I'd be arguing for a refund. This whole "release it by this date, no matter what state it is in and MAYBE patch it later" is absolutely abhorrent and should be addressed.
/rant
@carlos82 @DonJorginho @jdv95 My point was that if a simple remaster comes out in this state then why should people think a remake that takes far more work will come out better.
Wonder if it's better on pc, noticed its upgraded for free on the pc as had normal Version on steam and got definitive edition for nothing. Woo can't complain if it's just as bad on pc.
Sony refunds incoming!
@vapidwolf Yes, even on base PS4, 3 seems worst after the update. Played a few minutes with texture pop in and screen tearing (I dont recall the performance was this bad) before the game crashed.
Yep, this is an issue exclusive to the PS4 pro. The base PS4 and both xboxes do not have issues with interior environments.
I'm guessing this is like the RE3 xbox one x issue, and will most likely be fixed (along with performance increases all round) in the future.
Sounds like to me it's a get out now fix later or try job
@EquiinoxGII I agree with you it should be the other way around so many great get shafted and a bad rep because of it. I would love to see a remaster just with higher resolution and better framerate and texture update that just would run perfect out of the box. No patch just working flawless.
I would love to see a Mercenaries 1 remastered i loved i found it so much fun it owns GTA in that department. I can play older games without being annoyed i see a remaster as a way to play my beloved older games if its not the best looking game i dont give a ***** about that.
@Flaming_Kaiser Mercenaries is one of my 'needs to be revived' franchises.
I think if it wasn't for those games I wouldn't enjoy Just Cause as much as I do.
@Joe123 I've just platinumed Saints Row 3 for PS3, and have the PS3 version of Mafia 2 (with DLC) coming in the mail. I have a few other open world games ready to go too, so I'm really set for that genre this year.
I tried the original Mafia some years back and I couldn't finish it. The controls and missions were unforgiving. Probably why I gave 2 & 3 a miss. So knowing that there's a full remake coming had me wanting to give the series a second shot.
@Richnj That bunkerbuster capturing or killing the mark i 🤗 that. 😃
@Richnj I dont like the phrase its likely to be fixed it should have been pushed back and fixed.
@Flaming_Kaiser I don't like it either, but that's why I don't buy games at launch (or even full price) anymore.
Publishers have been releasing games and fixing them later all through out this gen, a good 8 years at this point, so we should all know what the score is. But as long as everybody else is buying broken at launch games, publishers will continue to release broken at launch games.
@CRW47 Fair enough
@Clytorial_Impact The Getaway would be AWESOME if they did a remastered edition. The sequel too, Black Monday. That game was brilliant. (Turn signals for directions was a subtle but genius idea.)
@RKmerica haha I never played Black Monday...I'm not even sure why as I enjoyed the first one so much
@OliverCrossland Me too Oli wait for PS NOW to be free not that stream version but that one which can be downloaded instead!
@Richnj It depends i always get firstparty stuff at the release and some games i just cant wait for but i understand.
@ArmyofOne
It will it it's the same people behind this and mafia 3, hanger 13 are just awful.
@rockman29
Total agree , this remake might look a little better in places but that's it, so many stupid bugs. The classic version is far superior . A game that's four times the size of the classic version should look a lot better. Thankful this was free with owning the classic version. I will never buy any hanger 13 game.All seen but ridden mess of a game
Beat mafia 2 many times on the remastered version. Never had any of the issues your describe.
@Clytorial_Impact I haven’t played 1 or 2 either, but Mafia 3 is fantastic. Loved the story and gameplay, so I would definitely give that one a shot if I were you. I think it was free on PS Plus at some point too, which was an awesome steal.
it's been since patched, all bugs are sorted..
very playable, very enjoyable!
get it!
just platinumed mafia 1 and loved it so naturally progressed onto mafia 2....and just wow.....
what a steaming pile of rubbish.....played for 10 minutes before deleting, cover mechanic is awful now, aiming is awful, graphics and character models are so bad, frame rate choppiness
everything has gone backwards from mafia 1....what the heck happened? did they spend too much time on part 1 so just bundled 2 out the door? not even going to try part 3 after this mess
Not horrible. Cant give 6.5 so I’ll give a 7.
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